Getting fed up of endless Ukraine on BBC news

They will once the queen passes away

Don't worry, a new "current thing" will come and dislodge it soon I'm sure.

Most of Europe and The US facing recession , but sending the Comedian and his Associates  Billions ,unfathomable tbh

Case

Everyday their finding a billion odd here, a billion odd there

But £20 extra a week in your UC payments... cant afford it

You have never been bombed indiscriminately Case
I was laying some slabs today , the ukranians next door sh1t themselves when I started banging them down
They have lost their home, cant change their money, and are still living in terror
I used to laugh at Rodney and Delboy getting fed up with Uncle Albert and "during the war" ,but these Ukranians are already deeply affected by whats happened to their houses in kharkeiv
we ignore the human cost at our peril

I disagree with op assessment ,WAR anywhere in Europe has to put all other stories into the background ,scores ,if not hundreds of people getting killed every day ,no local or economic news can be as important .

You have never been bombed indiscriminately Case

Irish I feel sorry for the ordinary citizens of Ukraine  , But there  is stuff going on in Ukraine

Which is  shocking, it is not being Covered ,We have a Proxy War ,Why would anyone be sending

Billions to Ukraine to Defend itself ,A country that you would have imagined Russia would Walk over

Where  has this Great army suddenly come from ? A couple of Months back we had people with Wooden Rifles

Now we have a fully trained   army taking out Tanks Ships and Aircraft  ,2 MONTHS ?? Something Does not

ADD UP ...  How many Special Forces are involved   From other Countries ,would you say None ?

OP: your choice of news channel indicates a lefty leaning ,so you seem to prefer trivia ,soap opera presentation and bias.
The story is relevant ,important and should be viewed on a serious channel like France 24 ,apologise in advance for the absence of your stalwarts like Boris eats cake ,Boris buys wallpaper etc.

flat16 • May 12, 2022 7:44 AM BST
OP: your choice of news channel indicates a lefty leaning ,so you seem to prefer trivia ,soap opera presentation and bias.

Special forces have been training ukranians since 2014 all over the world since 2014 ......that was when Putin marched into Crimea

Putin started this

Ukranians are half Russian anyway, there very few border posts , immigration or customs control on the land borders between russia and ukraine . They were friendly neighbours twenty years ago.

Theproxy war ? Who is the major power behind it Case ? Cant be NATO ?

Probably not as fed up as the Ukrainians ffs.

There are plenty of special forces over there operating under the "mercenry" banner

Good luck to them.... Far braver than me

There is definitely loads gone on over there
They brought their dogs with them because Russian soldiers were shooting then for food outside Kiev

* that we dont know about

Every news report I hear tells us how well the Ukrainians are doing, and how badly the Russians are performing.

It's like the joke ''betting system going great - send more money.''

All the reports are to be taken with a pinch of salt. It's all propaganda.

A first for this Forum is posts Regarding a Right wing  Mob ,beating and torturing people ,are being taken Down , Work that out

What happened to the 40 mile Queue of Russian Tanks etc Descending on Kiev ? Seemed to take them a day to travel a Mile , Where did they all go ? Or are they still making their weary way a month later ?

May 12, 2022 -- 10:52AM, casemoney wrote:

A first for this Forum is posts Regarding a Right wing

It's against the Establisment narratives so obviously has to go there isn't a left and right really only for divide and conquer purposes,if we are arguing with eachother i.e left v right we aren't a threat and the establishment narrative holds.
Here you've come across something that would USUALLY be considered Right wing as you say but information that highlights the rulers hypocrisy.

Theproxy war ? Who is the major power behind it Case ? Cant be NATO ?

The UK has just told Sweden and Finland, that we'll step in if they're invaded. Which means NATA would get involved.

So the Russians won't go near Sweden or Finland for fear of taking on NATO.

Which begs the question - why didn't one of us guarantee the security of Ukraine before the Russians invaded?

The war could easily have been avoided.

Does that help, irishone?

A degree of ambiguity ,a touch of subterfuge ,a trifle of menace or just old fashioned "politics" and Putin would never sent his ill equipped army into Ukraine  (army was there as a bargaining chip).
Instead Naive ,sleepy Joe ,thru Blinken ,unequivocally stated ,the USA will not fight on Ukraine soil ,incorporating NATO at the same time and daring the psychotic Putin........

Can't really give new safety guarantees if a country has been at war for eight years already.

A lot of stuff doesn't add up.  U have people fleeing the country then u have Bono and his cronie going there to sing a song

Why not?

May 12, 2022 -- 11:15AM, flat16 wrote:

A degree of ambiguity ,a touch of subterfuge ,a trifle of menace or just old fashioned "politics" and Putin would never sent his ill equipped army into Ukraine

What point are you trying to make please?

Because you can't give guarantees on something not being violated while it is already being violated.

The point he is trying to Make is that PUTIN Met an imbecile at a summit last year .

Biden did not have to state categorically that USA and in effect NATO would reply to any incursion........with sanctions only.
Putin the opportunist rolled with 70s trucks ,the wrong tyres ,conscript troops and without a engineers battalion ,the posturing Macron with his EU army didn't help ,Do-gooders are dangerous.

Because you can't give guarantees on something not being violated while it is already being violated.

Yes you can, you simply draw a line and say no further.

May 12, 2022 -- 11:41AM, flat16 wrote:

Biden did not have to state categorically that USA and in effect NATO would reply to any incursion........with sanctions only.Putin the opportunist rolled with 70s trucks ,the wrong tyres ,conscript troops and without a engineers battalion ,the posturing Macron with his EU army didn't help ,Do-gooders are dangerous.

I fail to see what point you are trying to make?

That Biden ,probably confused with brexit concerns ,bolloxs on his female swimmers ,stupidly invited Putin in.
A Colin Powell type would have decieved ,bluffed even and if there was ever any doubt that the USAF might intercede ,not even crazy Putin would send in a truck convoy.
from Commander in chief ,I expected ,statesmanship and perception........not naive folly ,he reminds me of Corbyn.

flat16

OP: your choice of news channel indicates a lefty leaning ,so you seem to prefer trivia ,soap opera presentation and bias.
The story is relevant ,important and should be viewed on a serious channel like France 24 ,apologise in advance for the absence of your stalwarts like Boris eats cake ,Boris buys wallpaper etc.

Are you telling me I should get news about my country from a Foreign TV station?

Are you a brexiter? getting your news from an EU TV station?



The amount of Anti-British unpatriotic dumb phuckery on this forum is ridiculous

Yes I view France 24 ,"liberte/egalite/actualite ", ,mainly because I am appalled at the British medias' lies and propaganda.
I would suggest the Bash Boris Corporation alternative would be socialism/remain/wokery and regime change.
Try it "little englander" and enjoy Vardy v Rooney ,you deserve it.

May 12, 2022 -- 12:09PM, flat16 wrote:

That Biden ,probably confused with brexit concerns ,bolloxs on his female swimmers ,stupidly invited Putin in.A Colin Powell type would have decieved ,bluffed even and if there was ever any doubt that the USAF might intercede ,not even crazy Putin would send in a truck convoy.from Commander in chief ,I expected ,statesmanship and perception........not naive folly ,he reminds me of Corbyn.

How bizarre

Stop bashing Old Joe ,US has played a blinder on Ukraine.  I love how they are providing real time intelligence on all Russian movements and the superbly disciplined Ukraine armed forces are taking full toll of Russian armour with all that high quality western kit as well as some of their own weaponry.

Meanwhile did you know Germany has provided 100,000 hand grenades to Ukraine?

Hat's off to the Moshe Dayan of the 21st century Valerii Zaluzhnyi

Yes I view France 24 ,"liberte/egalite/actualite ", ,mainly because I am appalled at the British medias' lies and propaganda.
I would suggest the Bash Boris Corporation alternative would be socialism/remain/wokery and regime change.
Try it "little englander" and enjoy Vardy v Rooney ,you deserve it.

I want to see what is going on in the UK, corrupt tories, more corrupt tories and yet more more corrupt tories. lying tories, useless leader of the opposition and a corrupt tower hamlets mayor. highest tax since 1948, tax havens for millionaires, food banks for nurses

You want to look away because it is mostly your super heroes driving this country into an abyss

enjoy a tax avoiding chancellor, an American chancellor, £37billion on an app, 6.5 million waiting for NHS, 40,000 dinghy immigrants etc. etc. you deserve it.

I did not slag the Biden ,US response ,not in the slightest ,just the opinion that he alone could have stopped it in the first place.
German reaction and EU shambolic response was obvious and inevitable to all but NATO was always the big player ,even with the undermining of Macron and his mythical Napoleonic army.

What exactly was Biden/the EU to do ?

Very simple, inform Russia that Ukraine was never going to join NATO or the EU

I have clearly stated how president Biden could and should have acted before the incursion ,to prevent war ,the Eu.....simply had to defer to NATO.
International politics is complex and clearly beyond him ,unfortunately.
The USA has approx 60-70% of NATO power ,NATO has approx 16x Russias' power ,this is a huge deterrent ,if used correctly ,by say a Kennedy or a Colin Powell "type" or even an Obama but plainly not a tired old minnow like sleepy Joe ,fresh from his Afghanistan debacle.

Go on, what were Nato to do?

Yep,  even though I feel more for the Ukrainians each day the war progresses. I'm just flabbergasted about the reluctance of Germany and a few others practising Nationalism and Self-Preservation before ending purchasing Russia oil and gas to avoid an abrupt and severe economy downturn in their country.

I think "not in my backyard" syndrome is practised at international level too.

In the UK, we still purchase it.

My post 11.15am explains.
Strangely if he had actually stated before the incursion ,what he is actually doing now ,funding/arming/giving acute intelligence ,then I suggest the invasion would not have happened ,instead his passive/neutral response was interpreted as weakness/indecision and ambiguity.

Your 11.15am post explains nothing at all. What exactly were the USA to do? Ukraine isn't in NATO btw.

Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO, but the UK (and that means NATO as well,) has said we will defend them if they are invaded.

'flat16', I concur. The West were incompetent and impotent prior to Russia invading Ukraine. The EU lacked leadership and direction even now on how to deal best with Russia; Bojo may have his critics but he ie UK did more and swiftly than the behemoth EU when it came to sanctions against Russia.

Bojo went to war-torn Ukraine to give moral support. Has any other EU head of state or commissioners done the same?

May 12, 2022 -- 6:11PM, impossible123 wrote:

'flat16', I concur. The West were incompetent and impotent prior to Russia invading Ukraine. The EU lacked leadership and direction even now on how to deal best with Russia; Bojo may have his critics but he ie UK did more and swiftly than the behemoth EU when it came to sanctions against Russia. Bojo went to war-torn Ukraine to give moral support. Has any other EU head of state or commissioners done the same?

Yes, plenty, and before Boris did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwDXFO29cxU

Here is Ursula Von Der Leyen visiting Ukraine on the front line before Boris was thought of.

They cant be defended if they aint in nato ffs

They have to be in the pact to be defended, they have to be contributing within the pact to be defended

Its a case of making it up as they go because no one is truly buying this sh!t, its utterly absurd day to day

100 fines for breaches? There werent even 50 people at those parties so why over 100?

All of it is pathetic nonsense

Trumpy wanted to pull usa out of nato
because Pootin told him to.

May 12, 2022 -- 6:22PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Trumpy wanted to pull usa out of natobecause Pootin told him to.

PP: You are mixing up our differences ,left/right ,remain/leave to excuse a weak president who fcked up again.
He failed to use the might of USA ,to deter the invasion ,his mixed messaging ,sent Putin merrily on his way ,killing thousands.
Now almost to make amends ,Biden uses a minute % of that power to turn the tide ,if only.

Nato should have been disbanded after the USSR fell
and the UN
AND THE WHO

Worthless organisations along with the IMF and world bank

May 12, 2022 -- 6:08PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO, but the UK (and that means NATO as well,) has said we will defend them if they are invaded.

It doesn't mean NATO as well though. If Russia invades Finland and Sweden we are obliged to join in, but it will be up to other NATO countries to help out. So Boris has committed us, with our tiny army/air force and fleet of about 14 ships to fight Russia.

The neo cons/libs were desperate to start another war after their $$$$ dried up in Afghanistan

Empty vessel Biden was easy to manipulate

May 12, 2022 -- 6:28PM, flat16 wrote:

PP: You are mixing up our differences ,left/right ,remain/leave to excuse a weak president who fcked up again.He failed to use the might of USA ,to deter the invasion ,his mixed messaging ,sent Putin merrily on his way ,killing thousands. Now almost to make amends ,Biden uses a minute % of that power to turn the tide ,if only.

You seem to be obsessed with Brexit/the EU. Goodness knows why you think that has to do with the USA and Ukraine.

Trumpy wanted to pull out of nato.

And he's banging on about Biden and brexit sh1tshow, lol

Johnson taking roubles, and Russia getting its land corridor
to crimea.

Bidens ratings are going up in America and one of the main reasons from Democrats and Republicans alike is his handling of the Ukraine situation. Ukraine aren't in the EU or NATO.

May 12, 2022 -- 6:44PM, politicspunter wrote:

Bidens ratings are going up in America and one of the main reasons from Democrats and Republicans alike is his handling of the Ukraine situation. Ukraine aren't in the EU or NATO.

May 12, 2022 -- 6:44PM, politicspunter wrote:

Bidens ratings are going up in America and one of the main reasons from Democrats and Republicans alike is his handling of the Ukraine situation. Ukraine aren't in the EU or NATO.

99% of the population are furious he s sending 40 billion to Vlod
whilst there is an invasion at the border & baby food running out rapidly

Nowhere near 99% of the US population will know about Russia and the Ukraine even existing.

You would have thought that jucel/timber/sticky would have learned his lesson after being wiped out backing Trump/Trump to win states/Trump to win an almost impossible amount of electoral college votes. Sadly he hasn't despite being warned repeatedly on the main election thread to bail out before it was too late.

Still hasn't cleaned his computer by sound of it.

tobermory
Sweden and Finland aren't in NATO, but the UK (and that means NATO as well,) has said we will defend them if they are invaded.
It doesn't mean NATO as well though. If Russia invades Finland and Sweden we are obliged to join in, but it will be up to other NATO countries to help out. So Boris has committed us, with our tiny army/air force and fleet of about 14 ships to fight Russia.

I think you'll find you are way out with that. Probably got that amount in the Med alone.
We have over 70 with 8 more, that I know of, being built in Scotland over the next few years.

Akabula, I'm exaggerating, but the reality is most of those are tiny patrol boats/minesweepers.

The Royal Navy is less than a quarter the size it was in the Falklands War.

I appreciate that Tober but I think at the top end including subs we have about 30 with about 20 Frigates including those currently being built.
As an aside I saw the HMS Queen Elizabeth air-craft carrier close up. Awesome. Was way bigger than I expected.

Plenty on here quite content to let putin tear a hole in central europe.

"The Royal Navy is less than a quarter the size it was in the Falklands War."

not true, The Navy has been finding lot's of Dinghy's in the English channel and is now well prepared if Putin decides to start WW3 in a duck pond.

There is so much bolleaux on this forum at times

The past few days its slipped back down the news cycle

Its being prolonged longer than I thought but theyre defiantly close to phasing it out as just a gorilla warfare type war now, but Russia and the virus are to blame for rising food prices and the whole living crisis psyop...

I think people saved their dosh in the pandemic
Now its over thet have splashed out
Once demand rises .....
Same old cycle