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lfc1971
28 Apr 22 08:08
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Sir Kier was seen having beer and mixing with workers in a Durham office
Durham police have said they will reconsider reviewing their decision that cleared him

They have so far not said if anyone has been interviewed and questioned about the incident
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Report Wallflower May 9, 2022 8:40 PM BST
Putting aside all allegiances, it seems like a master-stroke by Labour / Starmer. But its more by accident than design. They've made a virtue out of a necessity.

Worst case - Durham police issue a fine on Starmer, he resigns. He will. Johnson would be obliged to do so - but as I said of course he won't.Problem is - this wont be forgotten and he becomes an even bigger electorate liability. Tory party will need to get rid before next election. Internal pressure will be huge.

Durham police DONT issue a fine, then Labour have stolen high moral ground. Party of integrity versus party of sleaze / deceit / corruption - pick your poison. etc etc.

This is why the horns are coming in, 'wait until investigation', 'not a resigning matter' etc.  Big time backfire.
Report Wallflower May 9, 2022 8:42 PM BST
....[robaly, and Johnson should resign over misleading parliament.
Report lapsy pa May 9, 2022 8:47 PM BST
Wallflower = how to school an idiot.
Report tobermory May 9, 2022 8:51 PM BST
Durham police DONT issue a fine, then Labour have stolen high moral ground. Party of integrity versus party of sleaze / deceit / corruption

Labour police force not fining Starmer does not put him on the moral high ground if the public judges he has done much the same.

Because people judge on the available facts rather than the legal verdict.
Report lapsy pa May 9, 2022 8:54 PM BST
People judge on the rubbish on the bbc,mail express etc,it has been a concentrated effort by them,running headline on the mail for 10 days,the other tory channels on full spin.
Report politicspunter May 9, 2022 8:56 PM BST
The Conservatives lost nearly 500 councillors in the local elections. I guess that would be the public judging.
Report Wallflower May 9, 2022 9:05 PM BST
Nope, completely wrong. They wont, they wont look at the 'available facts' at all - even though Starmers indiscretions are much less than Johnsons - the public will see them as both equally guilty. Even if other way around, and Starmer's more egregious than Johnsons - again equally guilty in the court of public opinion.

The only thing that will matter is who did the 'decent thing'. This matters. It gives people a 'negative reason' for NOT voting for someone, unfortunately that's how many people think. Tories will know that. Can't win an election with so many people disliking a leader  (Corbyn?).

Its not legal opinion nor available facts - its public perception. Screwed.  Tories badly need Starmer NOT to be fined and let the whole thing slide as the public tire of it.

Cummings as tweeted the attack om Starmer is a major gaffe.
Report Whisperingdeath May 9, 2022 9:08 PM BST
The real issue is Doris is a Liar, which, some of you think is just fine as your morals are as low as his.

What will be his downfall is that he lied in The House of Commons. There will be more fines from the Met and Sue Grey will skewer him. He will not resign because like many of the liars and fools on here has no conscience. His party will have to off him.

He is GAWN
Report akabula May 9, 2022 9:08 PM BST
@Wallflower I don't think it a master stroke whether intended or not.
Would have been hadn't the Durham police told us that they don't issue retrospective fines.
Report A_T May 9, 2022 9:08 PM BST
Spot on PK. Thats the real issue in all this nonsense.

wishful thinking
Report A_T May 9, 2022 9:08 PM BST
Johnson will be hoping that Sir Keir isn't fined, that's for sure.
Report tobermory May 9, 2022 9:17 PM BST
What will be his downfall is that he lied in The House of Commons

He said he did not believe he had breached the rules. The police say otherwise.

Doesn't prove he lied.
Report Wallflower May 9, 2022 9:27 PM BST
akabula 09 May 22 21:08 
@Wallflower I don't think it a master stroke whether intended or not.
Would have been hadn't the Durham police told us that they don't issue retrospective fines.


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Master Stroke is probably an exaggeration, but from being on the attack for a while over partygate, they were on the defensive over Starmer - but are now on the attack again- admittedly in a high-stakes gamble - they have been forced into.

Just like previous post - technicalities  (like durham police retrospective fines) wont matter with the public, they won't pay attention - "starmer would resign , johnson wouldnt" - simple as that, easy for Labour to make that black and white.

As i said, starmer gets fined and resigns - Johnsons position is untenable. He wont go, but will be jettisoned.

As a conservative you must see its the best move for that party. Bigger than Johnson who only used the party for his own ego.
Report Whisperingdeath May 9, 2022 9:56 PM BST
We shall see tobermory what his own party says about it.!

Do yoh really  think he did not lie when he said he believed there were no party’s?
Of course he didn’t believe  had breached the rules because he doesn’t believe the rules apply to Bullingdon. Just like his mate at school the thief Guppy.

HE LIED
Report Whisperingdeath May 9, 2022 9:57 PM BST
Are you saying he didn’t know about the party’s the Po Po ard investigating even when he was there?

Then you are a mug or a liar
Report frog1000 May 9, 2022 10:27 PM BST
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-labour-staff-drunk-beergate-gathering-probe-police-keir-starmer/

UK Labour staff ‘drunk’ at ‘Beergate’ gathering that’s being probed by police
Person familiar with the Labour gathering says they are willing to speak to police amid probe into possible COVID rules breach.

LONDON — Labour Party staff were drunk at a controversial curry and beer gathering which is being investigated by police for a possible breach of England’s coronavirus rules back in April 2021, a person familiar with what happened that night told POLITICO’s London Playbook.

Opposition leader Keir Starmer is under mounting pressure over the event he attended in Durham with his deputy Angela Rayner. The gathering — billed by the party as a work-related stop during campaigning — took place while most indoor socializing was illegal under COVID-19 regulations.

The suggestion that people present were drunk casts doubt on whether the event — dubbed “Beergate” by parts of the U.K. media — was reasonably necessary for campaign purposes, as the law required.

A Labour Party spokesperson said: “Keir was working, a takeaway was made available in the kitchen, and he ate between work demands. No rules were broken.”

However, the person familiar with the event told Playbook some junior staffers present “were p*ssed and obviously weren’t working so I remember thinking: why are they here?”

They said no work was being done during or after the curry ordered in from a local takeaway and therefore that the event “crossed the line” and breached COVID laws.

They added: “It was Friday night after nine o’clock and some people were drinking … Of course it crossed the line.”

The Leader of the Opposition’s Office (LOTO) and the Labour Party did not deny the claim when given multiple opportunities by Playbook.

Mary Foy, the Labour MP whose office the events took place in and whose staff attended, did not respond to a request for comment.

The person said they are willing to speak to Durham Police if they are approached. The police force on Friday announced that it is investigating the gathering over a possible breach of COVID-19 lockdown rules.

Starmer, who has urged Boris Johnson to resign after the U.K. prime minister was fined for a breach of COVID-19 rules, pulled out of a planned appearance at a Westminster think tank on Monday.

But Labour’s London Mayor Sadiq Khan said Sunday night that Starmer should not have to resign if he is fined over Beergate.

Asked by POLITICO during a visit in New York whether Starmer should resign if he gets fined, Khan said: “No. Unfortunately, the last time I checked Keir Starmer isn’t the prime minister or the chancellor. Why is the British public angry? … The anger is because those who made those rules were breaking them.”

Khan added that the allegations against Starmer were “a million miles away” from the “culture of rule-breaking in Downing Street.”

He said: “Keir Starmer is alleged to, at worst, at the end of a hard-working day having a beer with his curry. Compare and contrast to our PM, who made the rules and has been found to have broken the rules.”
Report lfc1971 May 9, 2022 10:31 PM BST
It seems Sir Kiers integrity is very much in question here
Report casemoney May 10, 2022 1:11 AM BST
Drunk as sacks IMO , Foy also involved in a  drunken Brawl in the Strangers  bar last week
Report Whisperingdeath May 10, 2022 2:55 AM BST
Unfortunately your opinion counts for diddly

Were you there? Did you see anyone who was drunk.

More lies from the Tory Press and totally unfounded
Report tobermory May 10, 2022 3:08 AM BST
Politico is the Tory media????

Crazy
Report Stickywickets May 10, 2022 7:44 AM BST

May 9, 2022 -- 9:08PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


The real issue is Doris is a Liar, which, some of you think is just fine as your morals are as low as his.What will be his downfall is that he lied in The House of Commons. There will be more fines from the Met and Sue Grey will skewer him. He will not resign because like many of the liars and fools on here has no conscience. His party will have to off him.He is GAWN


How many times are you going to say this??Laugh
It must be 1000 and he's still PMLaugh

Report A_T May 10, 2022 7:56 AM BST
Foy also involved in a  drunken Brawl in the Strangers  bar last week

I believe covid rules no longer prohibit drunken brawls
Report lfc1971 May 10, 2022 8:14 AM BST
Starmer you have sat too long here for any good you have been doing
Depart,  I say , and let us have done with you

In the name of God, go ! ‘
Report lapsy pa May 10, 2022 8:22 AM BST
Lord Moylan,

'It seems to me it would be highly improper for Sir Kier Starmer to put pressure on Durham police by saying in advance he would resign if fined.
Boris Johnson by contrast despite bullying from LabourUK has kept a very proper silence'

You don't half get fed some sheet there,what's worse you lap the above up,the UK has gone stone bonkers mad.
Report lfc1971 May 10, 2022 9:08 AM BST
Actually Starmer shouldn’t have said anything until after the police investigation
For this reason , most people don’t think he should have to resign for having a meal and a drink with colleagues
It’s an overreaction - but this fact might then influence the investigation and lead to Starmer not being fined

If the police had known that Boris and Sunak would be so serious as to mean they would lose their jobs - would they have been fined ?
And would that not have been totally disproportionate

The whole thing is becoming ridiculous
Report lfc1971 May 10, 2022 9:22 AM BST
Covid fines were meant to be a gentle reminder to do the right thing and try and follow the guidelines

No more than that , they weren’t meant to lead to any very bad outcome or consequences for anyone really
Report lfc1971 May 10, 2022 9:32 AM BST
Unfortunately it became politicised to a disgraceful and sickening level with attacks
by Starmer and Rayner and in particular the likes of Blackford
Report politicspunter May 10, 2022 9:57 AM BST
Ken Clarke
@MrKennethClarke
·
11h
Sat here on my tenth pint feeling relieved that the Daily Mail never ran beergate stories on me in the 80s & 90s. Cheers.

Laugh
Report Whisperingdeath May 10, 2022 11:55 AM BST
GAWN
Report LoyalHoncho May 10, 2022 3:09 PM BST
ffs hurry up with this Sue Gray report and let's be rid of this buffoon in No.10.
Report politicspunter May 10, 2022 7:16 PM BST
https://twitter.com/marryhar
.

Laugh
Report politicspunter May 10, 2022 7:20 PM BST
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
· 1h
Interesting thing. Someone’s just pointed out that almost all the staff who were on the Durham trip with Keir have since left his office. You know how all the witnesses to the Kennedy assassination died or disappeared  in mysterious circumstances….

Laugh
Report impossible123 May 10, 2022 8:18 PM BST
This shenanigan is unfortunate and only enhances the absurdity of British politics at the present moment. Instead of governing and tackling the economic difficulty experienced by most eg hike in energy and food bill both Parties have chosen to waste more time on Partygate.

I'm sure the British electorate can make their mind up themselves in the next General Election.
Report politicspunter May 10, 2022 8:22 PM BST
Conservatives lost nearly 500 councillors in local elections.
Report casemoney May 10, 2022 8:40 PM BST
Plenty of Talk about Heat Pumps today WALOFS  the lot of em
Report Whisperingdeath May 11, 2022 11:55 AM BST
£1.3 Billion going to Ukraine. Wait until the war starts here at the end of the summer!
Report layingisthewayforward May 12, 2022 7:04 PM BST
How long before Durham police finish their investigation?
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 9:39 PM BST
They, unlike other constabularies, do not retrospectively fine people, hence why Sir Keir chose to 'die' on his sword. A police investigation, however was enough for him to demand Boris to resign but never mind small detail. Fwiw, I say what I say then and now, all b1tching and no big deal. Move on. At this moment in time both leaders are good for the opposition!
Report Whisperingdeath May 12, 2022 9:40 PM BST
I am starting to think Starmer is a bigger problem than Bunter

Starmer is not just a collaborator with the Have’s bug he supports the Aoartheid State of Israel that murders journalists

Thus Government and Prime Minister ard destroying our country and particularly the NHS. What is Starmer doing?
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 9:51 PM BST
Correct wd. Never been a better time to be opposition and he just making a pigs ear of it. There's a good chance if he remains leader, Boris may well get in again.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 9:51 PM BST
Correct wd. Never been a better time to be opposition and he just making a pigs ear of it. There's a good chance if he remains leader, Boris may well get in again.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 9:54 PM BST
There is no possible chance right now of Boris winning a general election.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 9:56 PM BST
Or rather, I should say, remaining Prime Minister after a general election.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 9:56 PM BST
But there isn't a general election right now pp.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 9:57 PM BST
Sure, but whenever it happens Boris has next to no chance of remaining PM.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:03 PM BST
Tories fav on here for next election. Not much money wishing to be layed for him to be gone by then.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:04 PM BST
Anyhows, we're digressing. Labour have had a near open goal for a while now and continue to trip over their laces.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:06 PM BST

May 12, 2022 -- 10:04PM, HallGreenSpy wrote:


Anyhows, we're digressing. Labour have had a near open goal for a while now and continue to trip over their laces.


Unless you count the tories losing almost 500 councillors at the elections last week?

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 12, 2022 10:07 PM BST
When Cameron did a deal with cleggy,
Labour tried to scupper it by offering to
ditch brown.

Could get tasty if tories are biggest party
and lib dems could get them over line.

Lib dems are a million miles from the right wing
cabal running tory party at the mo.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:07 PM BST

May 12, 2022 -- 10:03PM, HallGreenSpy wrote:


Tories fav on here for next election. Not much money wishing to be layed for him to be gone by then.


Ah, now the tories might be favourites to win most seats but that's miles away from saying Boris will remain PM after the next general election.

Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:09 PM BST

May 12, 2022 -- 10:07PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


When Cameron did a deal with cleggy,Labour tried to scupper it by offering toditch brown.Could get tasty if tories are biggest partyand lib dems could get them over line.Lib dems are a million miles from the right wingcabal running tory party at the mo.


The biggest problem the tories have stems back from that time. They basically have exhausted possible coalition partners which means in order to retain power they need to get an overall majority. With Boris in charge, that is a very long shot indeed.

Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:10 PM BST
We all know council elections mid term mean nowt. Anyways, Labour hardly pulled up trees. Was what they used to be at times. Lib dem stuff. Can't see it working same way in the GE unless they somehow align.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:11 PM BST
The basic fact now is that Boris approval ratings are abysmal and folks won't vote for him. They might vote tory under another leader though.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:12 PM BST
Honestly think come GE time, lib dems will still be unforgiven. Be amazed if they were in any position to form part of a coalition, and if they did, it would be a very, very small part.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:13 PM BST
The basic fact now is that Boris approval ratings are abysmal and folks won't vote for him. They might vote tory under another leader though.

Same for Kier?
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:13 PM BST
It might only need a very small part. It won't be with the tories though.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:14 PM BST
They've said that before
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:14 PM BST
Keir approval ratings are fairly steady, particularly in areas of the country Labour need to win.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:17 PM BST
Tories need to get a majority, so 326+ seats, perhaps a little less if Sinn Fein don't take up their seats as usual. Right now, they are probably on target for around 250 seats.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 12, 2022 10:18 PM BST
Snp sure to want a referendum as part
of any deal.

Could even agree to keep Johnson in power
in bid to increase chance of winning ref.

Just agree to not vote down tory finance bills..



Hung parliament would be brilliant!
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:20 PM BST
Either a Labour/LibDem formal coalition or a Labour minority with SNP support look favourites to me.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 12, 2022 10:24 PM BST
Tough one in the name the coalition

As you have snp/lab/ lib dem/ corbyn/green/sdlp/ alliance

To mash up from, and might be close, so might be
some rainbow coalition and lose bet over one
mp not being officially in coalition.

Could be a good market to lay, and get a skinner
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:29 PM BST
Yep, you don't want to be heavily involved in the backing side for the reasons you say. Just one independent/ Northern Ireland grouping could scupper you. Laying is more appealing.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:32 PM BST
The danger mark for Labour is around the 280 zone. They couldn't govern without SNP support.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:42 PM BST
Long way to go. Nowt would surprise me at the mo, especially if there wo be change from EITHER side.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:44 PM BST
The biggest problem by a mile for the tories is if Keir Starmer resigns if fined.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 10:50 PM BST
He ain't gonna be pp as he well knows imo. Now if, he resigned after being under police investigation, like he wanted Boris to, that would be a massive advantage to Labour, but that ship has sailed.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 12, 2022 10:54 PM BST
More short term pain if Starmer resigns, as johnson
seems to be done anyway.

Labour will need to elect correct candidate, and
get behind them.

Could be a blessing if he goes, vote in female
leader,...

I suspect Starmer is staying though.
Report politicspunter May 12, 2022 10:56 PM BST
It's in the hands of the police now. If Starmer is fined, he will resign. Boris position then becomes completely untenable. If Starmer isn't fined, Boris position is hopeless.
Report HallGreenSpy May 12, 2022 11:05 PM BST
I totally disagree with that pp. I think it's worse if Starmer isn't fined. I think then HIS position is hopeless.
Report casemoney May 13, 2022 1:31 AM BST
£1.3 Billion going to Ukraine. Wait until the war starts here at the end of the summer!

Will kick right off WD  , The next fuel price rises Will see riots if not before ...

They wont be fooking worried about heat pumps Then .. Shyte the lot of them
Report casemoney May 13, 2022 1:33 AM BST
As for Ukraine if it Escalates and they think they will be Sending our Troops in  ,See what happens ....
Report casemoney May 13, 2022 1:35 AM BST
We have lost enough the last 30 years  . FOR WHAT ?
Report politicspunter May 13, 2022 10:58 AM BST
Liam Thorp
@LiamThorpECHO
·
12h
Newspaper that ran two weeks of front pages about someone who hasn’t been fined for covid breaches doesn’t think 100 people in Downing Street being fined for covid breaches is worthy of a front page space

Sad
Report politicspunter May 13, 2022 2:50 PM BST
https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1525017632029679618/photo/1
.

Sad
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 13, 2022 2:53 PM BST
The Conservatives have been in touch to say that Dowden didn't write the caption, that the charity did, and he was very angry about it. Curiously, according to those who were in the room, the lot was greeted with hilarity and at no point did Mr Dowden intervene. Happy to clarify.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 13, 2022 2:54 PM BST
Jay Rayner ^^^
Report casemoney May 16, 2022 8:55 PM BST
https://order-order.com/2022/05/16/starmer-revises-count-up-from-6-to-15-attendees-at-beergate/

15 and Counting.  any guesses on the final figure TYIA .
Report tobermory May 16, 2022 10:14 PM BST
So in January he said there were 6 there and now he says there were 15.

Surely Mr Integrity can't have told a lie....
Report Pokermonster May 16, 2022 10:22 PM BST
To be fair, Toby, it’s an easy mistake to make if you’ve had a few.
Report Pokermonster May 16, 2022 10:36 PM BST
Angela Rayner must have had a skinful. She couldn’t remember being at the party at all.
Report Whisperingdeath May 16, 2022 11:58 PM BST
No law against lying is there?

Certainly none that most of the loons on here care about! Infact most like a bad liar
Report casemoney May 17, 2022 12:15 AM BST
Poker spot on Grin
Report akabula May 18, 2022 4:27 PM BST
Agreed Poker. Happy
Report lfc1971 May 31, 2022 9:12 PM BST
Sir Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner have received questionnaires as part of the on going
Police investigation into possible law breaking ( beergate )
Report lfc1971 May 31, 2022 9:21 PM BST
Now the Labour Party cannot be allowed to sweep this under the carpet
If rules were broken then there must be SEVERE repercussions
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 31, 2022 9:25 PM BST
Anybody breaking law whilst in public office
should resign.

So pleased you AGREE.
Report lfc1971 May 31, 2022 9:46 PM BST
Might be time for Boris to go also
Report politicspunter May 31, 2022 9:47 PM BST

May 31, 2022 -- 9:25PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Anybody breaking law whilst in public officeshould resign.So pleased you AGREE.


Excellent news Laugh

Report cryoftruth May 31, 2022 9:49 PM BST
They do not agree.

They think multiple lies, corruption and law breaking from The Sleaze is perfectly okay.

Of course Starmer is not a Hooray Henry with the sense of entitlement Like The Sleaze and his evil old Etonian chums.

Starmer says if I get found guilty of law breaking I resign. The Sleaze says I can do what I like and will never resign and the people are the plebs who can go whistle.
Report politicspunter May 31, 2022 9:51 PM BST

May 31, 2022 -- 9:49PM, cryoftruth wrote:


They do not agree.They think multiple lies, corruption and law breaking from The Sleaze is perfectly okay.Of course Starmer is not a Hooray Henry with the sense of entitlement Like The Sleaze and his evil old Etonian chums. Starmer says if I get found guilty of law breaking I resign. The Sleaze says I can do what I like and will never resign and the people are the plebs who can go whistle.


UK, Savanta ComRes poll:

LAB-S&D: 42% (+2)
CON~ECR: 31% (-3)
LDEM-RE: 11% (+1)
SNP-G/EFA: 4%
GREENS-G/EFA: 3% (-1)

+/- vs. 18-19 May

Fieldwork: 27-29 May 2022
Sample size: 2,177

That's why we have polls like this.

Report cryoftruth May 31, 2022 9:53 PM BST
Yes the voters do seem to have decided that they dislike being humiliated and laughed at by The Sleaze.

Not before time we got rid of the odious corrupt liar.
Report casemoney June 1, 2022 12:42 AM BST
Starmer, A grammar School Lad who ended up at Oxford COT .. Are we suggesting this is our Working Class Hero ?
Report alun2005 June 1, 2022 10:36 AM BST
Perish the thought of course that anyone would ever tell odious lies about having been an Oxford Don.
Report lfc1971 June 1, 2022 11:13 AM BST
Laugh
Report akabula June 1, 2022 4:20 PM BST
Laugh

More a Donut than a Don
Report casemoney June 1, 2022 4:37 PM BST
Grin poor old COT Grin
Report cryoftruth June 3, 2022 3:21 PM BST
If the nasty nest of racists (the sort who boo black players at the footy) and inhabit the dark web and share coded means ages about “religion of peace” and pollute betfair’s politics forum with their odious racist views and extremist drivel, are on your case trying to bully you, it’s clear you are probably on the right track.

Carry on chaps. The more you spread your hatred the clearer it is to everyone what the contents of your terrible characters are like.
Report saddo June 3, 2022 4:11 PM BST
Lol, no one hates like the Boris syndrome sufferers.
Report akabula June 3, 2022 4:32 PM BST
CoT
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