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frog1000
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Such a shame. It was around 90% for Delta.

Virtually zero help in stopping you catching Omicron after 20 weeks post booster.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1070356/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-16.pdf

Video from Dr J C for those who cannot read well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01qdCw2cMzg
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Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 9:25 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 9:23PM, Torquemada wrote:


Roughly 32 million people had received the booster shot (their 3rd shot) as of 4th April. Roughly 32 million people had received one shot, two shots or no shots at all as of the same date.


Link please.

Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 9:26 PM BST
Maybe because they take the virus seriously and have taken many more tests ?
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 9:27 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 9:25PM, Torquemada wrote:


People who are boosted seem to be catching it multiple times, that’s the thing. Why are boosted people catching it many more times than unboosted people?


All I know is before I had the 'booster' I had never caught it.

Took the 'booster' and a few weeks later I got it.

For me no jabs, one jab and two jabs provided better protection than 3.

Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 9:28 PM BST
I will ask again - How many tests have each 32 million group been subjected to ?
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 9:28 PM BST
It would seem that the shots lessen your chances of becoming seriously ill with COVID, but increase your chances of catching it.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 9:29 PM BST
That's probably because you believed if you had the vaccine that you couldn't catch Covid.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 9:29 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 9:23PM, Torquemada wrote:


Roughly 32 million people had received the booster shot (their 3rd shot) as of 4th April. Roughly 32 million people had received one shot, two shots or no shots at all as of the same date.


Link please?

Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 9:29 PM BST
The worry for me, and lots of other vaxxed people I think, is what other illnesses these shots might cause us on the future. Nobody really knows that yet.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 9:30 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 9:23PM, Torquemada wrote:


Roughly 32 million people had received the booster shot (their 3rd shot) as of 4th April. Roughly 32 million people had received one shot, two shots or no shots at all as of the same date.


Link please?

Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 9:31 PM BST
I’ve had two jabs Frog. Not getting any more.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 9:32 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 9:23PM, Torquemada wrote:


Roughly 32 million people had received the booster shot (their 3rd shot) as of 4th April. Roughly 32 million people had received one shot, two shots or no shots at all as of the same date.


Link please?

Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 9:34 PM BST
Think I will just add this to the Australian Senator conspiracy theory stuff Sad
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 26, 2022 9:34 PM BST
UK #DailyCovidUpdate | 4th April 2022

Vaccines:
- 1st: 52,826,860 (+7,500)
- 2nd: 49,478,287 (+9,079)
- 3rd: 38,866,665 (+9,172)
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 9:41 PM BST
Hopefully more people will question the safety and efficacy of any more shots on the future.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 9:43 PM BST
And hopefully we will have many less Covid conspiracy theory nuts posting on this betting forum in the future.
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 9:53 PM BST
A big part of the problem, of course, is those who have been jabbed have a natural vested interest in not wanting anything bad to happen due to the shots - myself included. This is understandable, but too many blindly ignore facts and try to shout down those start to ask questions.

Hopefully lessons will be learnt for the future. Never again must we allow the same mistakes to happen.
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 9:56 PM BST
Thankfully, I think lessons have been learnt. People now realise they have been lied to regards the safety and efficacy of these vaccines and won’t be fooled again so easily.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:00 PM BST
Haha - You are so wrong - People think nothing of the sort - not even close.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:00 PM BST
Correct. I don't think many under 50s would have 4th jab if offered.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:01 PM BST
Just to be clear Johnny The Guesser did you know in May 2021 that the CDC and Biden were wrong in saying 'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting Covid 19.'?

It sounds like you did from you comment 'How can you have ever believed that a vaccine can  somehow stop a virus going up your nose ?'.

Is that just with hinsight or did you call out Biden and the CDC at the time?
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:05 PM BST
I have never believed a vaccine can stop a virus going up my nose.
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 10:05 PM BST
There seemed to be a big change in thinking when a hundred odd thousand NHS workers were prepared to lose their jobs rather than have a jab, despite an awful lot of pressure and projected mandates to comply. That made people think twice and question why so many medical people did not want the shot.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:06 PM BST
...and millions of NHS workers did have the vaccine. Don't forget that.
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 10:08 PM BST
Remember the health secretary’s awkward conversation with the hospital doctor? Not long after that the mandate was dropped.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:10 PM BST
..the doctor who had already had the virus , and so reasonably felt he didn't need the vaccine ?
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:15 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 10:05PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


I have never believed a vaccine can stop a virus going up my nose.


But did you believe that even if the virus got up your nose that if you were vaccinated you would be 'at a very very low risk of getting Covid 19.'?

Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 10:21 PM BST
Dearie me Sad
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:23 PM BST
Once the virus is up my nose , I would assume I am carrying the virus.
By being vaccinated I have minimised the risk of getting sick from the Covid 19 virus that is now up my nose.
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 10:23 PM BST
What has become apparent is that these shots are not really vaccines in the sense we have all grown up to know as vaccines. They are more just a treatment to reduce the severity of COVID - which is a fantastic thing of course for those who might be susceptible to getting really ill, but it now looks as if it wasn’t a great idea to administer them to everybody else as well.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 10:24 PM BST
Why not?
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:24 PM BST
Why ? - People in all age groups died and many got very sick.
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 10:25 PM BST
And pressuring people to take them was just plain wrong - especially children.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:25 PM BST
So back in May 2021 when Biden and the CDC were saying  'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting Covid 19.' you were in disbelief were you Johnny?

Do you think Biden and the CDC were lying when they made that claim?
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:25 PM BST
Here we go - the deflection ...Yawn..
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 10:25 PM BST
No children were pressured to take them.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:27 PM BST
I'm not a scientist or a virologist , but I have never believed a vaccine can stop a virus going up my nose.

Did you think it could ?
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 10:27 PM BST
Yes they were. They were told it would protect granny.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:28 PM BST
Yawn Yawn ...Let it go ...
Report Torquemada April 26, 2022 10:29 PM BST
In the early days of these vaccines we were told they would drastically reduce our chances of catching COVID or transmitting COVID. That claim simply wasn’t true at all.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:30 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 10:28PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


Yawn Yawn ...Let it go ...


Simple question you seem incapable of giving a straight answer to.

Lets try again in plain english Johnny...

Do you think that the CDC and Biden were incorrect to say in May 2021  'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting Covid 19.'?

Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:31 PM BST
You've been proved wrong over vaccines protecting against sickness and death , so now you are waffling on about infections that don't lead to sickness and death.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:31 PM BST
Lets try again in plain english Johnny...

Do you think that the CDC and Biden were incorrect to say in May 2021  'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting Covid 19.'?

Yes or No will do.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:32 PM BST
The POTUS has said some very strange things over the course of the pandemic.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:34 PM BST
Johny why are you struggling to answer Yes or No to this simple question on what the CDC and Biden told us?
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:35 PM BST
"getting covid 19 "  - what does this mean exactly ?

Does it it mean the virus merely going up one's nose or getting sick from the virus going up one's nose ?
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:36 PM BST
getting Covid 19... means getting infected with Covid 19.

Yes or No will do Johnny.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:38 PM BST
That's your opinion - it could mean getting symptomatic covid 19.

The statement could be interpreted both ways. The statement is not clear.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:39 PM BST
Do you believe that either statements are correct?

Yes or No will do.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:41 PM BST
My view...

'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting infected with Covid 19.'

FALSE

'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting symptomatic Covid 19.'

FALSE
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:42 PM BST
So what ?  What is your point ?
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:43 PM BST
Do you agree with me that the statements were false?
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:45 PM BST
No i don't because the risks vary hugely across age bands ...the statements are vague
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:46 PM BST
So you think those statements are correct?
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 10:48 PM BST
Fully vaccinated people are at a far lower risk of getting badly sick or dying from covid 19 across all age bands.

Can you agree that is true ?  If so we can agree.
Report edy April 26, 2022 10:49 PM BST
If someone goes basically all "These vaccines are a fraud and always were" because they are less effective against a new variant, created through the chaos that is viral evolution, they are frankly humongous idiots. Or deliberately disingenuous.
Report edy April 26, 2022 10:52 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 10:41PM, frog1000 wrote:


My view...'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting infected with Covid 19.'FALSE'fully vaccinated people are at a very very low risk of getting symptomatic Covid 19.'FALSE


frog1000 • April 26, 2022 1:05 PM BST
Stupidly I took vaccines because I thought it would protect vulnerable people around me.

Turned out to be lie as just as likely to catch and spread it to the vulnerable which is a shame.


LIE

frog1000 • April 15, 2022 7:08 PM BST
Booster efficacy against symptomatic Covid drops to ZERO after 20 weeks


LIE

frog1000 • April 26, 2022 8:20 PM BST
Now of course those who have bleached the original claims from the memory claim the vaccines were only to reduce chances of death by a small margin.


DISINGENUOUS

Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:52 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 10:48PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


Fully vaccinated people are at a far lower risk of getting badly sick or dying from covid 19 across all age bands.Can you agree that is true ?

Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:53 PM BST
60% less likely to die 25 weeks after booster - its in the header of the thread there for all to see.

So on that basis I agree on deaths after two doses and the booster for all ages if taken as a whole mean less chance of dying for up to 25 weeks at least.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 10:54 PM BST
As most deaths are older and frail people I am not sure it makes a big difference for under 40s. But happy to be corrected if you have data on this.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 10:57 PM BST
Has anyone, anyone at all, got a clue about what point Insider Frog is trying to make please?
Report Johnny The Guesser April 26, 2022 11:01 PM BST
Probably not a huge number in absolute terms when compared to the population overall but still a significant percentage reduction when compared to the unjabbed (across each age band)  and obviously hugely significant for those who live longer and for their families (even if they don't even know it)
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 11:09 PM BST
To put it into perspective 1,134 people under 40 have died in English hospitals with Covid since March 2020.

Only 205 of those had no known pre-existing condition.

On those numbers not sure we can learn anything on vaccine use.

Only 3000 people without pre-existing in total have died.

I think going forward it will be the old and pre-existing that will be vaccinated.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 11:11 PM BST

Apr 26, 2022 -- 11:09PM, frog1000 wrote:


To put it into perspective 1,134 people under 40 have died in English hospitals with Covid since March 2020.Only 205 of those had no known pre-existing condition.On those numbers not sure we can learn anything on vaccine use.Only 3000 people without pre-existing in total have died.I think going forward it will be the old and pre-existing that will be vaccinated.


I can help you there. The vaccine does not stop you catching Covid.

Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 11:26 PM BST
Back in the autumn they were publishing deaths in the vaccinated and unvaccinated to make a point when there were around 1000 deaths a week within 28 days of a positve test.

There have been 2266 deaths in the last 7 days within 28 days of a positive death but for a while now there has been no mention of unvaccinated, boostered, double jabbed etc for those 2266 deaths.

Why is this data no longer split up and presented?
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 11:28 PM BST
I don't know, tell us.
Report frog1000 April 26, 2022 11:34 PM BST
UK has the highest death rate it has had for a year at the moment despite the huge booster roll out and the belief that Omicron is milder.
Report politicspunter April 26, 2022 11:40 PM BST
What's your point please?
Report Stickywickets April 26, 2022 11:55 PM BST
There is zero proof that the shots saved a single life


Btw here is fauci, Biden, CDC saying you can't get the virus if you've been vaccinated

The internet is forever!!

https://twitter.com/Shaughn_A2/status/1518125535955767296?t=dDvk6BIhI9T63cwesitKXw&s=19
Report Pokermonster April 27, 2022 12:47 AM BST
If the statement by Frog, above, is accurate then it is a truly damning indictment… not only of the Covid injection itself, but also the scaremongering, immoral coercion and propaganda that accompanied it.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 27, 2022 8:37 AM BST
Are you guys for real ?...

Omicron is everywhere now - the death numbers within 28/60 days is not a meaningful  statistic anymore - large numbers are dying with the virus but because of the virus.  The maths of the situation dictates that.

Approx 1500 people die everyday in the UK - of course a chunk of those will have had a brush with the virus within the last month or 2.
Report Pokermonster April 27, 2022 9:36 AM BST
Large numbers have being dying with covid, not because of covid, for a long time. The main difference now is how it’s being reported.

Almost everything about the response to this man-made virus has been a catastrophe… from ceaseless and immoral rapacity of pharmaceutical giants, to corrupt governments and our mendacious media, we have been betrayed at every turn. I reserve my highest contempt, however, for those who sought to suppress safety data of an experimental drug whilst also advocating its use on children.
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 9:39 AM BST
yes this ^

why is it only being 'defined' as such recently ?


this was obviously happening during the first 18 months but not even a disclaimer appeared on those 'news' entertainment shows like BBC

just some melodramatic gongs, serious faces and tones of doom when reporting those ever skywards death numbers while most people reached for extra loo roll and buried themselves firmly into their home gulags
Report johnnythebull April 27, 2022 9:44 AM BST
CONvid/SCAMdemic = CONTROL,subjugation,erosion,nay eradication of liberties

yet the brainwashed sheep lap up the BS propaganda and continue to take it up the a rse

off with their heads = less austerity for the righteous,INNIT!
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 9:46 AM BST
Maybe we can just put it down to our endlessly caring overlords and their thinktanks who by their own admission wanted to scare the living shyte out of each and everyone of us 'for our own good'......


Well that's ok then Plain
Report frog1000 April 27, 2022 9:54 AM BST

Apr 27, 2022 -- 8:37AM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


Are you guys for real ?...Omicron is everywhere now - the death numbers within 28/60 days is not a meaningful

Report frog1000 April 27, 2022 9:55 AM BST
So more Covid than ever now when people are vaccinated more than ever? Odd that.

The 28 days since a Covid test death stat was used for years and all through the vaccine push by the main stream media and politicans.

Now vaccines found not to be the silver bullet the stat is quietly dropped.
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 9:59 AM BST
Let's not forget that lockdowns would have been harder to push with some figures based in reality Cool
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 10:00 AM BST
and without the assistance of the King of Modelling Mr Ferguson


So did lockdowns actually help ?

I still see the scars on a daily basis here

Locking down healthy people....  yep they did that
Report politicspunter April 27, 2022 11:37 AM BST
Surely it's obvious that the main reason that cases/deaths are higher is because folks who believe the worst to be over are now not wearing masks/social distancing/washing hands etc.
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 11:49 AM BST
Errr no

It's obvious that the population is saturated with the way less harmful Omicron and some of those people naturally die on a daily basis avec le sniffle
Report politicspunter April 27, 2022 12:20 PM BST
If it's way less harmful, why are cases/deaths rising ?
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 12:53 PM BST
Surely you cannot believe that it is more harmful or even equal to first couple waves ?

Don't viruses survive by becoming less deadly but way more contagious or will this outstanding virus turn all that on it's head ?



It would make sense that because Omicron has caught a lot of the population that everyday deaths from natural/other causes would coincide with a positive test even though the Omicron has nor caused that death... that would be my understanding .....


however , as you well know, most of it was/is pure nonsense and doesn't affect healthy people in the way they want you to think


and by the by... still not found a single soul hospitalized or dead from it ... Grin


How strange
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 12:54 PM BST
After 2 plus years my 73 year old mother still has her massive network of very elderly and compromised friends

she's a very popular person and knows a lot of people..... not one sausage down


how strange or just luck ?
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 12:56 PM BST
How many sausages down in your world punter ?

or how many people do you now know that were hospitalized or died over this 2 plus years punter >

exact number
ta
muchly
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 12:59 PM BST
Because we were led to believe this thing was gonna take out a good percentage of population wern't we ?


And so far it looks a lot like 2 very bad flu years back to back doesn;t it ?

and all over the world there are many unvaccinated individuals living in poverty/bad health conditions/lower life expectancy



I am still waiting for massive death numbers to come piling in from Covid from those place



so
where
are
they
?
Report frog1000 April 27, 2022 1:05 PM BST
2 with Covid deaths I have heard of in last 2 years. One with heart failure issues in his 80s. One with cancer in her 70s.
Report Stickywickets April 27, 2022 1:09 PM BST
Haiti. one of the most impoverished countries in the world
Population 12 million
Deaths - 835

ConfusedConfusedConfused
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:13 PM BST
Thanks frog

A common experience over the past 2 years of this killer plague I reckon


Seems this 'life ender' of a disease only deeply affected the wealthier economies more densely populated with whiter folk
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:13 PM BST
Execpt it actually didn't/hasn't did/does it ?
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:22 PM BST
One more thing I am hearing more and more of now people are actually getting out a bit more and talking finally ... the amount of people totally miffed by Covid on death certificate of a relative ..

It's been brought up many times during the past 2 years but getting a lot of fresh info through lately on this

Make of that what you will.
Report politicspunter April 27, 2022 1:26 PM BST
People have dropped their guard. Covid is still very much here. If you don't wear masks/social distance/wash hands etc cases and deaths will increase, which is currently happening.
Report Stickywickets April 27, 2022 1:26 PM BST

Apr 27, 2022 -- 1:26PM, politicspunter wrote:


People have dropped their guard. Covid is still very much here. If you don't wear masks/social distance/wash hands etc cases and deaths will increase, which is currently happening.


LaughLaughLaugh

Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:28 PM BST
how many people do you now know that were hospitalized or died over this 2 plus years punter >

exact number
ta
muchly
Report politicspunter April 27, 2022 1:33 PM BST
Personally know?
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:35 PM BST
Well yes, you can't include all the unwell people you thought you witnessed being unwell in hospitals on the BBC news show Laugh
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:36 PM BST
Nor can you include any numbers of people falling over dead in Wuhan streets at the beginning that you saw on MSM
Report politicspunter April 27, 2022 1:37 PM BST
Five hospitalized of whom two died.
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:37 PM BST
or the bodies that piled up in the streets all over the world waiting to be cremated


just personally know
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:38 PM BST
politicspunter
27 Apr 22 13:37
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Five hospitalized of whom two died.



That almost sounds like an honest answer Shocked
Report clouded leopard April 27, 2022 1:39 PM BST
Quite an incredible answer given your stance on this whole episode punter
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