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PorcupineorPineapple
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(apols if covered in the other thread. Out yesterday and not reading all that).


But it's little more than distraction isn't it?


It's only for failed asylum seekers.
Doesn't apply to kids or parents.
Maximum capacity is 100 people, and may stretch to 300.
Going to cost a fortune per head.


Got to be very short odds on we send a single person there. Over 80% of asylum applications are approved anyway. Just wondering what this proposal does to deter anyone who thinks they have a genuine asylum claim. Only going to have the brexit effect and force a sudden up-turn (particularly now the weather's picking up) of numbers crossing in the next few weeks.
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Report Stickywickets April 17, 2022 11:48 AM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 11:46AM, lfc1971 wrote:


They won’t be able to sneak in And if they are immediately sent to Rwanda the word will soon get round Don’t try and cross the channel illegally


Too many left wing scum bag lawyers to deal with unfortunately
That's why these criminals should have no habeas corpus

Report northanlite April 17, 2022 11:52 AM BST
stop calling your fellow citizens traitors & scum & the
general bearing of you day will be better.
now apologise to me and all the other bleeding heart liberals
on here.
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 17, 2022 11:52 AM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 11:46AM, lfc1971 wrote:


They won’t be able to sneak in And if they are immediately sent to Rwanda the word will soon get round Don’t try and cross the channel illegally


What has changed to stop them sneaking in. Not sure if you're up to speed, but under the tories literally thousands have already managed to sneak in. There's probably a few sneaking in right now.



As for Rwanda, the deal is for 100 people. 100. What word gets round once that 100 is taken up and the planes stop flying?

Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 11:53 AM BST
These lawyers , and the usual suspects , will try and stop the implementation of this
And then of course will like pp have the gall to criticise the Tory gov and Ms Patel for not doing anything
They are so mixed up they might even believe it
Carry on with the support of the good British people Tory party and Ms Patel
They tried to use the courts in the past to prevent the will of the people , and failed
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 17, 2022 11:55 AM BST
sticky has actually stumbled upon the actual reason funnily. This policy has zero chance of coming to effect. It's completely illogical for one thing. But secondly it'd break half a dozen different laws so would fail. The government know this.

And they also know their fans are too stupid to put two and two together.


It's designed to fail. But they'll back it up by blaming someone else, in this case the courts. No matter that the law was in place before and they deliberately designed it this way.

No, they'll tell the thickos it's not their fault but the judges. And the cretins will fall for it.


It's what they've done for the last dozen years. No need to stop now.
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 11:55 AM BST
Thousands have arrived in dinghies pp
Send thousands to Rwanda
It’s not a difficult concept
Report northanlite April 17, 2022 11:56 AM BST
what lawyers. name them.
what usual suspects. name them
what carry on. name the carry on cast........Alphabetically!
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 11:58 AM BST
Well if these lawyers don’t exist that’s fine …. let’s see
Oh and the usual suspects include the Labour Party and snp …
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 17, 2022 11:58 AM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 11:55AM, lfc1971 wrote:


Thousands have arrived in dinghies ppSend thousands to Rwanda It’s not a difficult concept


The deal is for 100 people. How do we send thousands exactly? Jesus wept.

Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 11:59 AM BST
We can start with the leader of the labour sorry and the snp
Starmer and Sturgeon ….
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 12:00 PM BST
100 lol it’s amazing what some people pretend to believe
ps no blaspheming especially today , thank you
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 17, 2022 12:05 PM BST
The accomodation can house 100 at a time. It's thought they could maybe process 500 a year.


By means of comparison, 600 people arrived by boat last wednesday.




This is clearly going to do diddly squat. It's designed to fail but has the plebs talking about immigration rather than corruption and incompetence, till the next time.
Report Stickywickets April 17, 2022 12:07 PM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 12:05PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


The accomodation can house 100 at a time. It's thought they could maybe process 500 a year.By means of comparison, 600 people arrived by boat last wednesday.This is clearly going to do diddly squat. It's designed to fail but has the plebs talking about immigration rather than corruption and incompetence, till the next time.


The plebs are talking about a few drinks after work

Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 12:09 PM BST
I don’t agree it is designed to fail - you see it doesn’t look good when policies fail
Of course there are many who hope it might fail and will do their level best to make sure it fails
These are the usual suspects …
Report northanlite April 17, 2022 12:10 PM BST
i think you would really like Nicola Sturgeon lfc.
she is very charming, badly dressed, but charming.
and the answer is yes but very briefly. Excel centre
Glasgow,davis cup tennis.
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 17, 2022 12:13 PM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 12:09PM, lfc1971 wrote:


I don’t agree it is designed to fail - you see it doesn’t look good when policies fail Of course there are many who hope it might fail and will do their level best to make sure it fails These are the usual suspects …


Well let's see how predictable you are in blaming the courts in a few weeks' time, despite no new laws opposing this policy being passed in the meantime. So so thick.

Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 12:15 PM BST
northanlite  , if someone from Scotland cares more for someone from a different country or a particular country
anywhere else in the world than someone who is English or England
Then I am not inclined to like them as much as I might
Sorry , I’m like that
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2022 12:16 PM BST
And I don’t care how they dress
Report northanlite April 17, 2022 12:21 PM BST
what?
Report Stickywickets April 17, 2022 12:34 PM BST
George Galloway
@georgegalloway
·
1h

A minor sign Satan is in the world is  I’ve spent the last half-hour blocking vile hateful and obscene responders to my Happy Easter message less than 12 hours ago. And every  single one of them was a self-declaring “liberal” “progressive” or “leftist”. No wonder people hate them
Report northanlite April 17, 2022 12:44 PM BST
george sat as a prospective in my ward last general election.
it didn't go well for him but he's good copy.
he's the reason people hate the left, never been wrong in his life
has the indefatigable mr galloway
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 17, 2022 12:53 PM BST
Another crybaby victim. Can see how someone would be scared of men outside their house if you follow someone so easily triggered as him.
Report northanlite April 17, 2022 12:58 PM BST
me or george or bothMischief
Report peckerdunne April 17, 2022 1:29 PM BST
This will be no cakewalk.
Report moisok April 17, 2022 1:32 PM BST
I think it is a brilliant idea.  Even if they don't mean to implement it.  Just tell those in France that they will be sent to Rwanda and it may put some off!!!Cool
Report Stickywickets April 17, 2022 1:33 PM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 12:53PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


Another crybaby victim. Can see how someone would be scared of men outside their house if you follow someone so easily triggered as him.


I'm sure you welcome strange men into your houseLaugh
And no I don't follow him , I think he's an ****, but at least he knows the lefty/progressive types are morally bankrupt, godless scum

Report dustybin April 17, 2022 1:36 PM BST
Starkey has another good reason to hate the left and thats the 'left tyranny' and cites George Orwell's 1984 Newspeak and ultimately wokism.
Not bad coming from a gay.
Report peckerdunne April 17, 2022 1:36 PM BST
Why would it put anyone off.

They'll just say ok send me back to France.

See how that plays kut.
Report peckerdunne April 17, 2022 1:38 PM BST
I also expect to see more babies and kids on the boats now, with no papers and their parents?
Report moisok April 17, 2022 1:39 PM BST
you are right kut  - no one -  let them all in   - hope you have some room for them at your gaff
Report moisok April 17, 2022 1:40 PM BST
but will they survive  - the british army didn't
Report flat16 April 17, 2022 1:50 PM BST
For those against this proposal ,be assured Justin welby ,bishop of Cunterbury agrees with you ,the one with a traffic cone on his head ,that certainly swings it for me.
Report northanlite April 17, 2022 2:25 PM BST
christians when it suits.
what are the chances of JC coming back to earth without
being assassinated by the far right?
Report dustybin April 17, 2022 7:03 PM BST
Welby said ‘The principle must stand the judgement of god’
Oh aye, says who? Your invisible friend?

He continues to say..’as god took responsibility for our failure’
You mean that invented script your lot cobbled together where we all were cumulatively blamed for the actions of 1 imaginary woman and 1 imaginary man, who were made fallible enough to fall into the trap set by god?

God cast us out then killed his own son allegedly, what a palarva, and non of us were even present.
Why doesn’t the church start paying your taxes instead of attempting to conjure up voodoo and other magic?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2022 7:05 PM BST
Jeremy Corbyn assassinated, please no..
Report moisok April 17, 2022 7:11 PM BST
they could just be advised to turn left go round france  across biscay  and then its africa   - what a plan  - I am not stupid
Report leif April 17, 2022 7:15 PM BST
As a Hindu Patel wont answer to welby's christian deity.

Pulse rate normal.
Report lfc1971 April 23, 2022 9:24 AM BST
Migrants say they will stay in Calais on hearing they will be sent to Rwanda …

Well done Ms Patel and the Tory government
Report edy April 23, 2022 9:54 AM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 1:33PM, Stickywickets wrote:


Apr 17, 2022 -- 12:53PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:Another crybaby victim. Can see how someone would be scared of men outside their house if you follow someone so easily triggered as him.I'm sure you welcome strange men into your houseAnd no I don't follow him , I think he's an ****, but at least he knows the lefty/progressive types are morally bankrupt, godless scum


Doesn't sound very Christian brotherly lovely to refer to swathes of people as "scum". Is that really what The Holy Bible teaches the faithful children of God?

Report politicspunter April 23, 2022 9:57 AM BST
Sunder Katwala
@sundersays
· 11h
Which party do you trust most on immigration
Labour 34% (+6)
Conservatives 24% (-1)

(17th April fieldwork, 3 days after Rwanda plan, compared to 10th April, just before).

Labour 28-25 (+3) narrow lead turns into +10 lead
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 23, 2022 10:07 AM BST
If the tories had a fair system then failed
asylum seekers could be deported/ returned/
forwarded to a country like Rwanda, but with
better human rights records that was
prepared to accept them.

You cant deport people to a country from
which you accept asylum seekers, its just perverse.
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 23, 2022 10:19 AM BST
Tories racist let's treat all immigrants like scum is certainly wearing thin with an increasing number of people who are seeing through the distractions.
Report politicspunter April 23, 2022 10:26 AM BST

Apr 23, 2022 -- 10:07AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


If the tories had a fair system then failedasylum seekers could be deported/ returned/forwarded to a country like Rwanda, but withbetter human rights records that wasprepared to accept them.You cant deport people to a country fromwhich you accept asylum seekers, its just perverse.


This is the crucial point. We are accepting asylum seekers from Rwanda because it is not safe for them.

Report dustybin April 23, 2022 10:36 AM BST
Those polls are utterly irrelevant
It fits a general pattern also of incumbent governments polling badly
But when it comes to voting what people say they will do and what they do are very different.
Unless Labour have a cunning plan of undermining the government through by-elections one at a time, how many behind are they now, still 80?
Report saddo April 23, 2022 10:37 AM BST
We accept economic migrants from anywhere in the third world because we are absolute mugs, it's why they come here. Enough.
Report Dr Crippen April 23, 2022 10:37 AM BST
LFC wrote.

Migrants say they will stay in Calais on hearing they will be sent to Rwanda …


And that is the last thing the usual suspects writing on here want to see.
Report Stickywickets April 23, 2022 10:50 AM BST
Nobody can trust Labour
Arthur/Martha lover Starmer would still have us in lockdown & by now would have an open door immigration policy like pedo Joe
Report Stickywickets April 23, 2022 10:51 AM BST
ZERO chance Labour win another election in our lifetimes, they are virtually extinct
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 23, 2022 10:53 AM BST
Lfc is making it up

Crippen amplifies the narrative as he did with
Bliar and now with Johnson.

A fair system is required not more racism and lies.
Report lfc1971 April 23, 2022 10:58 AM BST
They are in France - France is a nice place to live
Stay there
If at all worried about Rwanda - end of conversation
Report saddo April 23, 2022 12:12 PM BST
Yes, these scroungers can't wait to leave Greece, Italy, France etc. The very places we pay to go on holiday, that tells you plenty.
Report alun2005 April 23, 2022 12:24 PM BST
What has changed to stop them sneaking in. Not sure if you're up to speed, but under the tories literally thousands have already managed to sneak in. There's probably a few sneaking in right now

Well, well, well, things have come to a sorry pass. Are the Progressive Left now actually COMPLAINING about the level of illegal immigration to Britain? Say it ain't so.

Ye Gods, it's not that long ago that one of their number famously described the landing of illegal immigrants on British beaches as a 'non-event', although I won't name and shame him.
Report lfc1971 April 23, 2022 12:37 PM BST
As they are committing an illegal act in setting off across from France
Some consideration might be given to a possible prison sentence to be served as part of the process
Whether in France or Britain or Rwanda is something to discuss another day
Report politicspunter April 23, 2022 1:47 PM BST

Apr 23, 2022 -- 10:36AM, dustybin wrote:


Those polls are utterly irrelevant It fits a general pattern also of incumbent governments polling badlyBut when it comes to voting what people say they will do and what they do are very different.Unless Labour have a cunning plan of undermining the government through by-elections one at a time, how many behind are they now, still 80?


Here is a tip for you. Do not bet on politics as you will lose.

Report saddo April 23, 2022 2:29 PM BST
Apart from Brexit and Trumpy getting in.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 23, 2022 6:56 PM BST
Launching a dinghy on a French beach is not
illegal, I've done it many a time.

When does claiming asylum become illegal?

It simply doesn't!
Report politicspunter April 23, 2022 8:07 PM BST
Opinium
@OpiniumResearch
·
1m
The government's #RwandaMigrationPlan does get support from its own 2019 voters.
> 62% of 2019 Conservatives support the policy, only 12% oppose
> While 48% think it a good use of money, 31% still think it is a poor use of money.
Report politicspunter April 23, 2022 8:09 PM BST
Opinium
@OpiniumResearch
·
4m
The government's #RwandaMigrationPlan has had a polarised response from the public:
> 38% support the policy versus 32% opposing
> A majority of both the support and oppose camps feel strongly about the policy.
> A majority of the public (52%) think it s a poor use of money
Report lfc1971 May 8, 2022 10:06 PM BST
The first illegal migrants to be sent to Rwanda under Priti Patels new scheme
will be informed this week

With the first tranche of migrants to leave Britain by the end of May
Report Facts May 10, 2022 3:26 PM BST
yeh right !!
Report lapsy pa May 10, 2022 3:32 PM BST
Has Patel released any numbers of Ukrainian refugees actually in the UK? I think not,why?
Report lfc1971 May 10, 2022 3:40 PM BST
This get this clear - the Tory government the pm and Ms Patel are the only ones
capable of doing the right thing for once in this country
The illegal migrants are on a one way flight to Rwanda
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 10, 2022 4:06 PM BST
How manh Ukrainians are going to rwanda?
Report lfc1971 May 11, 2022 7:49 AM BST
Priti Patel confirms that first batch of illegal migrants have told
they are being sent to Rwanda

The Tory party does what it says it will do
And, unfortunately , are the only party on this island that can be trusted to do so
Well done Ms Patel and Boris
Report politicspunter May 11, 2022 8:29 AM BST
What is the point of sending folks to Rwanda? It appears we are sending a handful but are receiving up to a thousand a day via the channel. It's also costing us, that's you and me the taxpayer around a million pounds per Rwanda deportation. Will it stop anyone coming here? No. Will it cost us a great deal of money? It certainly will. What's more, I wouldn't be the least surprised if the folks we ship off to Rwanda appear on our shores again at a later date.
Report DenzilPenberthy May 11, 2022 9:13 AM BST
I'm sure Rwanda will benefit from the influx of such worldly wise individuals who've managed to complete the perilous voyage and sample the high-life in a fully paid 4 or 5 star English hotel,I'm sure they will be revered as 'inspirational' by the Rwandians.
I'm looking forward to the creation of the new town Marriot in honour of their experiences.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 11, 2022 11:57 AM BST
Migrants booking flights

Kigali to Paris, lol
Report Facts May 11, 2022 5:44 PM BST

lfc1971 11 May 22 07:49 
Priti Patel confirms that first batch of illegal migrants have told
they are being sent to Rwanda

The Tory party does what it says it will do
And, unfortunately , are the only party on this island that can be trusted to do so
Well done Ms Patel and Boris




yawn
Report akabula May 11, 2022 6:05 PM BST
I hope they get a decent crowd to wave them farewell.
Report lfc1971 May 11, 2022 6:08 PM BST
The usual suspects are never happy or thankful , they’re like that

First flight later this month
Report Facts May 12, 2022 4:45 PM BST
Nope
Report lfc1971 May 13, 2022 9:17 PM BST
The flights are going to leave empty , and come back with more Rwandans lol
Report Stickywickets May 14, 2022 10:39 AM BST
Boris Johnson: Fifty migrants told they will be sent to Rwanda

GOOD, f*ck them off ASAP, about time Boris circumvented the law to get rid of these shìthouses
Report casemoney May 14, 2022 2:08 PM BST
Will take a while to get the 7000 that have already arrived this Year  Sent off ..

Imagine paying the traffickers thousands  To end up in Rwanda Laugh
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 14, 2022 2:09 PM BST
Meanwhile, immigration minister Tom Pursglove said that decisions to ship asylum seekers to the east African country would be considered on a “case by case basis” – and did not deny that people who have fled Ukraine could be among them.
Report lfc1971 May 20, 2022 10:28 AM BST
The first deportation flights to Rwanda have been delayed
amid a legal challenge by migrant charities and a civil service union

Thus we see how the British working class have been betrayed by the unions
throughout industry and the country
Report Stickywickets May 20, 2022 11:26 AM BST
Always the same, leftwing scum
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 20, 2022 11:59 AM BST

Apr 17, 2022 -- 11:55AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


sticky has actually stumbled upon the actual reason funnily. This policy has zero chance of coming to effect. It's completely illogical for one thing. But secondly it'd break half a dozen different laws so would fail. The government know this.And they also know their fans are too stupid to put two and two together.It's designed to fail. But they'll back it up by blaming someone else, in this case the courts. No matter that the law was in place before and they deliberately designed it this way.No, they'll tell the thickos it's not their fault but the judges. And the cretins will fall for it.It's what they've done for the last dozen years. No need to stop now.


am reminded of this

Report akabula May 20, 2022 2:23 PM BST
Why are these people delaying this?
And why support criminals?
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 20, 2022 2:31 PM BST
The tories? They're not all criminals but it's a fair number, granted.
Report alun2005 May 20, 2022 2:35 PM BST
Why are these people delaying this?
And why support criminals?



The Progressive Left traditionally have a love affair with criminals, particularly of course if they are foreigners and/or not white.

It's not that long since one of their number on here, who I won't name and shame, said that the phenomenon of illegal immigrants coming ashore on British beaches was a 'non-event'.
Report lapsy pa May 20, 2022 2:48 PM BST
I stand by what i  said Alun and you can bring up where and when i said it originally if you want.

illegal immigrant boat crossings

2019 circa 2k
2020 circa 8k
2021 cirka 28k

As you can see it has exploded since my original comment(which might have been early 2020 and almost certainly in 2020)

I have no problem standing by my post then.
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 20, 2022 2:49 PM BST
Struggling to think what the shame would bePlain
Report flat16 May 20, 2022 3:22 PM BST
On a practical note ,Rwanda is 4000 miles from the UK ,many economic migrants have travelled much further than that to get to the UK illegally, thru many "safe" countries ,so the distance will not be a problem to them.
Report Stickywickets May 20, 2022 3:32 PM BST
And people think the great replacement theory is right wing BS
Report alun2005 May 20, 2022 3:33 PM BST
Pa Lapsy - it wasn't actually you I had in mind.
Report Stickywickets May 20, 2022 3:34 PM BST
Just what the country needs unskilled men from the stone age who don't speak the local language & have funded child rapists to get here.
How wonderful, they don't even have any ID, it's in Davy Jones's locker
Report Stickywickets May 20, 2022 3:39 PM BST
Only criminals and large corporations want people like this, to abuse their human agency by enslaving them
Report edy May 20, 2022 3:39 PM BST

May 20, 2022 -- 3:32PM, Stickywickets wrote:


And people think the great replacement theory is right wing BS


It is indeed heavily out of place to normalise it by associating it with right wing ideology.

Report lapsy pa May 20, 2022 3:44 PM BST
Ok Alun,i did say it anyway,i would accept it is a problem now as it has grown out of all proportion quite quickly.

I have no idea how to solve it but this(Rwanda) doesn't look to be the solution on namely cost issues and no surprise it is legally challenged.
Report edy May 20, 2022 3:45 PM BST
Should always be made known to be the white supremacist conspiracy theory with a big touch of antisemitism that it is.
Report alun2005 May 20, 2022 3:46 PM BST
The Progressives will be happy to pretend they are AGAINST Illegal Immigration if it gives them a stick to beat the Government with. Whilst of course simultaneously campaigning agaist the deportation of such criminals.
Report akabula May 20, 2022 4:15 PM BST
The sooner we start shipping the criminals out the sooner they'll stop flocking here.
Report Stickywickets May 20, 2022 4:28 PM BST
Immigration need special teams to go town to town checking papers.
Round them up and fcuk them off
Report alun2005 May 20, 2022 5:12 PM BST
This is what happened in Progressive London last weekend when police officers went about their lawful duty, carrying out an operation targeting 'moped-enabled crime' which has of course been so prevalent and Culturally-Enriching in recent years. 

The "progressives" showed they were unquestionably on the side of suspected criminals when they attacked police who were trying to arrest a man wanted for immigration-related offences.


.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10817207/Violent-clashes-break-police-crowds-east-London.html
Report peckerdunne May 20, 2022 8:18 PM BST
How many have been sent to Rwanda so far?
Report politicspunter May 20, 2022 8:31 PM BST
Priti Patel was there.
Report peckerdunne May 20, 2022 8:48 PM BST
Yeah, sadly didn't stay!
Report lfc1971 May 31, 2022 9:43 PM BST
First illegal migrant flight to Rwanda to take place - June 14

Well done Boris and Ms Patel
Report alun2005 June 8, 2022 5:28 PM BST
The entirely predictable legal challenges have begun from Labour's favourite law firm. The Progressive Left nakedly exposed once again as being 100% in favour of Illegal Immigration.

Not a good look for Labour. And not for the first time.

.
https://order-order.com/2022/06/08/labours-favourite-law-firm-tries-to-injunct-whole-rwanda-flight/

.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12898058/migrant-lawyer-frim-lefty-labour-meeting/
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