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leif
10 Apr 22 10:31
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...envisage France leading the way on this one.

Price of a baguette to potentially double and cake out of the question.

Marie Le Pen vote percentage a decent barometer.

Over in blighty, we have a government that stinks of sleaze and corruption starting at the very top.

It's 2022 yet we have Martin Lewis advocating the 'Heating of the Human' having apparently ceased exploring any further means of cutting energy costs to heat the home.

"When people have nothing left to lose, and they've lost everything, they lose it.
Gerald Celente
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Report Cider April 11, 2022 8:15 AM BST
Most of the issues in the energy sector have emanated from government/state intervention.

Green energy levies, taxes, duties, net zero obsession, lock down, energy price cap, prevention of exploration, shale gas extraction.

And we have a regulator that doesn't regulate. One of the few things that they should be intervening on, ensuring that suppliers are sufficiently capitalised, they did not do.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 8:25 AM BST
In Week 12 in England and Wales, the number of deaths was above the five-year average in private homes (23.6% above, 610 excess deaths) but below the five-year average in hospitals (4.8% below, 234 fewer deaths), care homes (3.6% below, 81 fewer deaths) and other settings (2.0% below, 16 fewer deaths).

And still it goes on. The resources back hole we call the nhs, continues to let the country's citizens down.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 8:28 AM BST
I took it as a given people would know money isn’t free and there would be a bill for giving things away.

But yes, the young take the burden….because old people vote more.
It really depends on your outlook how wrong you find that. Personally it doesn’t bother me so much, we all suffered when young, very few were given an easy ride in life you have to earn it, and by that I mean suffer.
Nowadays there’s more pain because the books don’t balance…but they never did and never will.
What happened as a result?
Identity politics.
What percentage of millionaire winners think, I’ll go have a blue rinse? Very low I’d suggest.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 8:36 AM BST
It's not all financial is it. When you are 17 and 18, you only get those years, those opportunities once in your life. It goes for anyone under 23 really.

To actively ruin the lives of people that age, it must be an incredibly high bar, one in view was never reached. But, tptb did it anyway. The people who were impacted by this will live with that resentment for the remainder of their lives.

While most people you'd hope are aware that money isn't free, we live in times of entitlement. In times where 'the government' is meant to fix everyone's problems, and give us money because our bills have gone up. There is no way out of this trap. The government will eventually cave in, and give out more money we don't have.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 11, 2022 9:18 AM BST
It's all the same argument repeated over and over again.
Extending the lives of our old folk (and the unhealthy) or damaging the economy.

Some will choose extending the lives of others , some will choose money.

The lives of the youngsters have hardly been "ruined" - not ideal for them I agree - but they will recover,  and plenty will benefit from having their parents/ grandparents around for a while longer as well.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 9:34 AM BST
Of course but the old and weak were hit by covid anyway. You only have to look at the country who's policy we copied blindly, China, and see what is going on there now. It was always a flawed approach, an obviously flawed approach.

It's not possible to stop human interaction completely, or viruses from being passed on. So we got the worst of both worlds, the effects of the virus and ruining the economy for decades.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 9:36 AM BST
What’s tptb?
There certainly is an abundance of entitlement, both rich and poor are guilty of it as they’ve lived subsidised lives, but I agree that the perception the government can always fix or have the intention to do so is wrong.
People need a dose of reality, not this made up one based on feelings and emotion.
When you think the people who were most valued and least rewarded, the nhs are both in times of pandemics and normal always played off each other’s goodwill.
If they simply downed tools and chose another career the government would be sunk (not withstanding having even more immigration to attempt to create the staff) but they don’t.
And the same applies to all those impecunious. Actions have consequences, most times sacrifices were not chosen, or bad choices were made, or lack of input or lack of ability meant they are where they are.
There’s a whole category of people who will always float rather than sink, and it’s not by chance, it’s because they realised the impetus was about self improvement and to work out how to get on. Crony capitalism is just a sliver of the general capitalism that the vast majority adhere to.

I laughed at two things recently, the lack of people making a realisation that the far right are constant contenders at numerous polls (and that Germany’s defence spending has now changed from passive, to assertive for the first time since ww2) and the other thing was the highlighting of some people saying look at the people readying their homes for Ukrainian refugees who didn’t do it for afghans, didn’t do it for Syrians, didn’t do it for Iraqis nor Libyans.
No they didn’t, has the penny still not dropped?
Report Cider April 11, 2022 9:37 AM BST
Plus the old and the weak still can't be properly treated by the nhs, and when that will go back to the minimal standards of before, who knows.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 9:44 AM BST
the powers that be.

most of the nhs did down tools, in fact most of the people employed by the state did. and many of them haven't yet picked them up.

choices are different for people who have jobs for life and a guaranteed income, even if they literally do nothing.

i've discussed this before on here, working for the nhs has no more value than working for anyone else, or doing any other job. they wouldn't do it for free, it's not charitable. we all make our choices and the people that have gone down the route of nhs employment have done it for their own reasons, some of which I have touched on.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 9:56 AM BST
But people in the general staff employ arn’t worked as hard as nhs staff are expected to work.
The workload just goes up as population growth increases and their pay is capped, and their rights to strike are diminished.
It’s a truth that people who work in the nhs are generally more caring conscious, the very nature of the job is attempting to make people well, something that can’t be bought for any money.

What isn’t discussed much is the very economics of the problem that’s created by some having an excess of wealth whether deserved or otherwise.
They did mention the likes of Robin hood broker who struggled to find the money to underwrite the speculative gambling that people where doing on some companies
But next to no mention at all was made when the LME closed recently to trading or the fact they cancelled trades after they had occurred, that is unprecedented and is utterly remarkable, that’s where commodity madness is now, we laugh at Russia shutting their stock market down to limit impact, but that’s exactly what happened here.

There really is a divide and it’s growing between haves and have nots, but people don’t need me telling them.
But what do people without end up doing?
Do they take a leaf out of the book of the ‘haves’?
Do the bo llox they just play the blame game as if they should be entitled to do the thing they chose to do and be paid enough to live comfortably.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 10:07 AM BST
The vast majority of people who work in the nhs don't treat patients. They are button pushers, just like me.

It doesn't matter what system you advocate, there will be a small number of massive winners. The rest of us make do with the the options available to us. I for one have no desire to be super rich. Most people I believe are quite satisfied with a modest and secure lifestyle.

If you have access to Sky documentaries, take a look at Chernobyl - The Lost Tapes, and then let me know what you think of socialism as a system.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 10:13 AM BST
I don’t have sky and nor am I an advocate for socialism
I recognise why capitalism is the way it is, it’s to create aspiration
If you want it you can get it, but somebody has to lose, just make sure it ain’t you.
Otherwise nobody would do anything and the economy would stagnate as the equilibrium would lower to match the underachieving of the lazy.

Non of that excuses the principle of using opportunism against those with the best intentions of trying to make people better.
That’s pretty low in my book, one minute virtue signalling by clapping (ffs) then next when the danger had mostly passed, forgetting them/
Report Cider April 11, 2022 10:34 AM BST
I don't recognise the landscape that you are outlining, the public sector remain in the most fortunate situation.

Amazing pension, index linked pay, great working terms and conditions (leave, sick pay et al) guaranteed jobs/income, early retirement for many. Obviously there is a year before real inflation catches up with official rates that pay awards are loosely based on.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 10:52 AM BST
Like I said, emotion is used to cudgel the ones who are on the front line and worked to extremes, there’s plenty in public office (including the nhs) who I’m not referring to here.

Nurses are being played against their own instincts to help people and restricted from doing anything that would adequately reward them.
As mentioned, a nurse for eg would have find it very difficult to leave the caregiving sector and say take up a job doing something else.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 10:54 AM BST
Public sector
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 11:13 AM BST
And btw…people don’t aspire to enter vocations to become shelf stackers, fruit pickers or logistical workers (Amazon drivers) they do them as means to ends (for the money)

There’s a reason more work visas and lower salary thresholds for skilled workers apply to health workers (£20k for health, £30k for other sectors) immigration….because they are in need of those workers more, because it’s a job that’s valued but undervalued.
Report clouded leopard April 11, 2022 11:50 AM BST
it’s correct to say this creates inflation, but not completely. QE this time was given people and bought treasuries, the poor spent the money while being idle (this creates passive inflation, but levels off naturally as work returns) the less poor used the money to buy assets, this raised the base level of all commodities which is where we are seeing huge prices.


Was not just money supply that triggered 'external inflation' and commodity spikes though.

Supply chain was 'throttled' through ridiculous Covid measures and cost push inflation occurred. That plus stimulus (Going Direct) and voila.

Since the last crisis most inflation was 'in-house' (stayed in assets, stocks)

And they don't look in any hurry to get on top of it do they ?





On September 17 2019 there was a Repo crisis ( not a good signal- essentially counterparty risk with the biggest names where lending freezes overnight)
I believe we had not seen this problem arise since 2008/09. They knew there was a problem SEP 2019 and might've been the signal to print again.
We can only theorize of course


The Repo-Crisis of September 2019
---------------------------------
On Tuesday, September 17th. the Repo Market in the US deteriorated in a dramatic surge of
demand for liquidity in the night from the 16th to the 17th to 10% far above the target rate
of the Fed.1 It needed massive intervention of the Fed to counter a lasting major increase in
the  short-term  interest rates  afterwards.  The  Fed’s  had to  supply  a  $53.2 billion  liquidity
injection on Tuesday. The Federal Reserve had again immediately to inject an additional $75
billion on Wednesday the 18th  September into U.S. money markets. This  brought the  repo
rate  for  general collateral  repurchase agreements  down to  2.175%, down  about where  it
was  last  week  from  Tuesday’s  record  high  of  10%.  However,  the  New  York  Fed  said  on
Wednesday that  the effective fed funds rate busted  through policy makers’  2.25% cap  the
day before, coming in  at  2.30%. That’s bad because it  shows  the Fed was losing its grip on
short-term interest rates, undermining its ability to guide the financial system




Then, on October 13 2019 Blackrock releases a paper called Going Direct. Getting stimulus straight into the wallets of ordinary folk (helicopter money in old slang)

https://www.blackrock.com/us/individual/insights/going-direct-how-central-banks-could-deal-with-the-next-downturn



Then a few weeks later, massive health crisis pops up from nowhere markets crash and provide yet another reason to increase money supply, save markets, enrich the already very rich into the stratosphere and trigger external inflation and plenty of other things besides as we are seeing now.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 12:43 PM BST
As I've already outlined dusty, the overall package of being a nurse includes many benefits, not just salary. Like public sector pension, job security et al.

I believe you pretty much need a degree to be a nurse now, so no, they could easily move into another industry if they so desired.



There are record numbers of NHS doctors and nurses working in England according to the latest statistics published today.

The government is committed to delivering 50,000 more NHS nurses by the end of this Parliament.

Minister for Care Helen Whately said:

I’m thrilled that the numbers of qualified doctors and nurses working in our NHS have reached an all-time high, with over 123,000 doctors and 301,000 nurses working in our NHS.

I am incredibly grateful for the hard work and commitment of all health and social care staff as we reach a year since the beginning of the first lockdown.

Our expanding NHS workforce will help to provide world-class care to patients and continue to deliver life-saving vaccines as we cautiously follow our roadmap back to normality.

There has also been a 34% increase in applicants to study nursing and midwifery this year, with all eligible nursing, midwifery and allied-health professional students benefiting from a non-repayable grant from the government, worth at least £5,000 a year.
Report Whisperingdeath April 11, 2022 1:28 PM BST
because they are in need of those workers more, because it’s a job that’s valued but undervalued.

Employers still not getting it. What has happened to the laws of supply and demand? Market forces? It seems the Employers now depend on Government money whether it is backhanders, moody Government Contracts like the great PPE tax Payer Rip Off, The Pub landlord or just businesses depending on us tax payers to subsidise wages to their employees and their housing costs in the form of income Support or whatever it is called these days!

I would have thought the opposite sides of the political divide have plenty in common at the moment?
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 1:30 PM BST
Cider
You miss the point though.
They have to get those people for the NHS from as far afield as the Philippines and other Commonwealth countries, or any other where the average salary is around £10k a year.
This is the reason the theshold for skilled workers for the health services are a third lower than all the others, because they are so desperate for the workers.
Report Whisperingdeath April 11, 2022 1:34 PM BST
Tru Dat

Like Indian Chefs were £600pw years maybe a couple of decades ago!
Report Cider April 11, 2022 1:48 PM BST
What proportion of NHS nurses are non UK nationals?
Report Cider April 11, 2022 1:51 PM BST
for context

In 2020, the non-UK-born population was 9.5 million and the non-British population was 6.1 million.

London continued to be the region with the largest proportion of non-UK-born (37%) and non-British (22%) population.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 1:55 PM BST
I dont know without searching it out, but its needless because given the post bexit clampdown on immigration they wouldnt have needed to offer a better incentive than for all other sectors for foriegn skilled workers if there wasnt a need would there?
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 2:13 PM BST
Im not going to labour the point but just to conclude on this ...Ive just read in the 6 months to sept 2021, 3040 trained Filipino nurses joined the NHS, which is more than the total trained nurses from NI, Scotland and Wales.
Report CLYDEBANK29 April 11, 2022 2:18 PM BST
Blame the women they are always turning it up

Women do feel the cold more.  It's genetic
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:22 PM BST
You are convoluting a lot of things here. Even though many of the people born and bred in the UK appear to despise it, we are still a destination country for many many people around the world. We are inviting qualified overseas nurses (one of several occupations) to move and work here (including nurses from EU countries). That is in addition to home grown and trained nurses, not instead of. As I've evidenced, home applications are up.
Report CLYDEBANK29 April 11, 2022 2:26 PM BST
"It's all the same argument repeated over and over again.
Extending the lives of our old folk (and the unhealthy) or damaging the economy.

Some will choose extending the lives of others , some will choose money.
"

That's very short term thinking.  Damaging the economy costs more life in the long run imho
Report CLYDEBANK29 April 11, 2022 2:29 PM BST
It's the hypothetical situation where several people are hiding under the floorboards, while a lethal force intent on searching for and killing them all waits outside.  Suddenly a baby starts to scream.  What do you do?
Report CLYDEBANK29 April 11, 2022 2:34 PM BST
If with regard to COVID the choice was simply to extending the life of the elderly or damaging the economy then there wouldn't have been lockdown.  Lockdown was because hospitals couldn't cope.  The doctors and nurses would have had to make ad hoc decisions on whom to save and whom to die.  As in the example above, the strength of resolve to do that is very rare.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:39 PM BST
Not quite CB. Office based health advisers told decision makers that hospitals wouldn't cope. It turned out to be nonsense, and they new that 'cases' had already peaked. Of course you would have had isolated incidents where care fell below standards, but that is always the case. In fact it is worse now than it was in March 2020.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:40 PM BST
It was all predicated on deliberately manipulated and flawed data, and 'modelling'.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:43 PM BST
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:48 PM BST
Astonishing really, after lockdown, patients admitted fell to close to zero. Even though the narrative was that all the hospitals were flooded with sick people. The population was gaslit.
Report CLYDEBANK29 April 11, 2022 2:49 PM BST
there are going to be less people admitted because the beds are full of COVID patients and they can end up in there for weeks
Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2022 2:51 PM BST
What's more astonishing is the vast majority still believe that isn't/wasn't the case despite it being blatant 2 years on.
Report CLYDEBANK29 April 11, 2022 2:51 PM BST
You'd have to believe the TV coverage was deliberately false and misleading and also that there was conspiracy whereby nurses and ambulance crews were all collectively in on it
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:51 PM BST
Nope.

Patients in hospital 'with' covid.

30-04-2020    15,164
29-04-2020    15,521
28-04-2020    15,877
27-04-2020    16,662
26-04-2020    16,555
25-04-2020    16,604
24-04-2020    17,063
23-04-2020    17,867
22-04-2020    18,533
21-04-2020    19,139
20-04-2020    19,331
19-04-2020    19,574
18-04-2020    19,456
17-04-2020    19,330
16-04-2020    20,389
15-04-2020    20,582
14-04-2020    21,281
13-04-2020    21,308
12-04-2020    21,687
11-04-2020    21,254
10-04-2020    21,280
09-04-2020    21,005
08-04-2020    20,740
07-04-2020    20,234
06-04-2020    19,493
05-04-2020    18,855
04-04-2020    17,502
03-04-2020    15,546
02-04-2020    13,875
01-04-2020    13,637
Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2022 2:54 PM BST
Yes CLYDE that is definitely the case,100s if not more videos of nurses and doctors being told to keep quiet or lose their jobs,folk having social media accounts closed or censored for saying or showing this all through 2020.
Why do you think they went heavy on the clap for carers virtue signalling bolox - to 'Carrot and Stick' the medical staff into towing the line.
Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2022 2:55 PM BST
*who were being told*
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:55 PM BST
I've stated a few times on here CB, though you may not have read it obviously. In spring/summer of 2020 I attended a hospital personally for some tests. Obviously that is anecdotal, but it was completely deserted.
Report dustybin April 11, 2022 2:57 PM BST
Cider
Im not sure if you are simply reluctant to accept the truth, or that Im not explaining my point well enough, either way Im getting increasing bored of this, but one last go.

The need for workers (however well you seem to believe the conditions are) outstrips homegrown supply.
No country offers employment to foreign nationals when they can meet the required quota with workers born in the country of destination, especially follwing a directive from the electorate to come out of Europe with one of the major causes being immigration.
Countries ala the Philippines and Brazil have very little connection to the UK, yet visas are offered these and other countries in an attempt to meet required demand for trained nurses, not just that, they artificially lower the required salary threshold for them to be allowed in lower than all other skilled sector workers.

Ergo, the conditions of employment arnt sufficient to encourage workers to join the NHS, my original point stands, those who are joining join because of an existential desire.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 2:59 PM BST
You've got to remember CB that the population had been conditioned to believe a killer disease was on the way, one that if you caught it meant you could be collapsing in the street. I don't really blame front line health workers for being sucked in to believing it, and would have been comfortable being sent home and/or having an empty hospital with no patients to care for.
Report Cider April 11, 2022 3:00 PM BST
Oh and of course no PPE (apparently)
Report clouded leopard April 11, 2022 3:08 PM BST
CLYDEBANK29
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You'd have to believe the TV coverage was deliberately false and misleading and also that there was conspiracy whereby nurses and ambulance crews were all collectively in on it


wow !
Report clouded leopard April 11, 2022 3:17 PM BST
George put it well enough....

"Keep in mind, the news media are not independent; they are a sort of bulletin board and public relations firm for the ruling class-the people who run things. Those who decide what news you will or will not hear are paid by, and tolerated purely at the whim of, those who hold economic power. If the parent corporation doesn't want you to know something, it won't be on the news. Period. Or, at the very least, it will be slanted to suit them, and then rarely followed up."

George Carlin



During the most blatant era of censorship during our liftimes at least there are still intelligent people that believe the mainstream media bring to you the 'actual news'.
It's absolutely astonishing.

Free speech is already on it's way out and I'll tell you something else for nothing.

As soon as we digitise currency it'll be lost for good and that ain't far off

CBDC = END OF FREE SPEECH




Keep watching/reading MSM = stay ignorant
Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2022 3:47 PM BST
Spot on CL.
Report Whisperingdeath April 11, 2022 4:57 PM BST
Are the ruling class lefty Guardian reading types then Denzil? Mainstream media? The BBC you know?
Report clouded leopard April 11, 2022 5:11 PM BST
I'd say the ruling class are authoritarian and care not much which flavour of politics is on the table. As long as the job gets done
Report SontaranStratagem April 11, 2022 5:49 PM BST

Apr 11, 2022 -- 2:59PM, Cider wrote:


You've got to remember CB that the population had been conditioned to believe a killer disease was on the way, one that if you caught it meant you could be collapsing in the street. I don't really blame front line health workers for being sucked in to believing it, and would have been comfortable being sent home and/or having an empty hospital with no patients to care for.


Now it’s conditioned to think Putlin is going nuke the world

Funny how everything they say never happens

When do people call bullsh!t?

Report Whisperingdeath April 11, 2022 5:52 PM BST
Do they control Fox News too Denzil?

Are Fox News a liberal media platform?
Report clouded leopard April 11, 2022 6:14 PM BST
Fox news comes under Murdoch's group News Corp
Report clouded leopard April 11, 2022 6:18 PM BST
News Corp's main shareholders include Vanguard and Blackrock
Report clouded leopard April 11, 2022 9:46 PM BST
Those 2 massive funds also own large percentages of other media behemoths

Larry Fink CEO of Blackrock, says things like.... “Behaviors are going to have to change and this is one thing we are asking companies, you have to force behaviors and at BlackRock, we are forcing behaviors”
Report leif April 11, 2022 10:07 PM BST
Panorama earlier on offered a snapshot of Broke Britain.

3 working families  scratching their heads as to how they can get through a month.

A nurse skipping meals to feed her kids, gluing shoe soles back on, getting shared foodbank handouts from a friend who appeared to be east european (irony).

A young mother, crying, appearing to be on the verge of a breakdown especially when presented with an email from her energy company hiking her expenditure.

What will the doorknockers get bombarded with when asking for doorstep vote pledges.
Report Mubey25 April 11, 2022 10:12 PM BST
The mainstream media is much worse and much more dangerous than the so-called far-right.
Report Mubey25 April 11, 2022 10:14 PM BST
Also the country in Europe with the biggest far-right issues is ironically Ukraine. You lefty lots are all the same, smearing people with reasonable views as far-right while fawning over actual far-right groups.
Report clouded leopard April 12, 2022 10:05 AM BST
Soooooo.... Blackrock (government advisor)for example sits on the board of pretty much every large media corp there is ( and pretty much every large corp. full stop) and openly admit to forcing changes and how companies 'behave' in the future.

If they do not comply they simply won't be 'investable' for the future.

'ESG' will be the new necessary tool in this instance. A very interesting concept, maybe some of you should have a read up as it will come down to affecting 'everyone' in the long run.

Now.... do you think these huge wealthy corps in lockstep with Blackrock's new way of working have ever thought of using 'their' MSM/social media companies to assist in their pursuits ?  Crazy



A little aside , lol, ... Mr Larry Fink sits on the board of Council on Foreign Relations and the elite's favourite mouthpiece , the WEF.
Report clouded leopard April 12, 2022 10:07 AM BST
And peole still cannot see what might be wrong with this picture ... astounding Crazy
Report leif April 12, 2022 7:36 PM BST
...apart from all that, a 250G rustic baguette from Carrefour costs 1.50 Euro.

...and tesco have put up the price of 4 pints of milk by 10p
Report Cider April 12, 2022 8:34 PM BST
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Report clouded leopard April 12, 2022 8:37 PM BST
And inflation hits 8.5% yoy stateside

and everyone wants to talk Boris

Pure theatre
Report Cider April 12, 2022 8:40 PM BST
Transitory! Laugh
Report clouded leopard April 12, 2022 8:48 PM BST
They was blindsided Cider Crazy
Report Johnny The Guesser April 12, 2022 9:07 PM BST
So Covid was invented to cause inflation ? Is that it now ?
Report leif April 12, 2022 10:35 PM BST
The 'Concluding Comments' of that report are interesting.

This study documents that the 50 states used very different approaches to confronting the Covid pandemic. At the beginning of the pandemic, governors and state legislators (and local officials) were forced to make policy decisions in the dark – as health experts were still figuring out the most effective strategies to stop the spread, the best treatments, and the efficacy of lockdowns and school closure policies.

The one piece of good news in this study is that states which maximized the individual freedoms of business owners, consumers, workers and parents – and allowed their citizens to make their own risk assessments without government mandates – had the best performance. It turns out that in most cases, citizens living in states with minimal government interventions – including Nebraska, Iowa, Florida, and others – were able to make wise health-conscious assessments without an abundance of government rules and mandates. These states came through the pandemic with the least amount of collective damage to their economies, the education of their children, and with health outcomes that were in most cases no worse than states that used more heavy-handed tactics to slow the spread.

From the start, there was an obvious and hard to determine balancing act between health risks and allowing Americans to go about their lives in a productive way.

The states that tilted this balancing act toward more individual freedom and choice had far superior outcomes than states where politicians, government agencies and courts made these decisions for them. The government’s most effective role during the height of the pandemic was racing to find vaccines and treatments and giving citizens the most accurate and up to date information about risks and how to keep themselves, their families, their employees, and their customers healthy.
Report DenzilPenberthy April 13, 2022 5:38 AM BST

Apr 12, 2022 -- 9:07PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


So Covid was invented to cause inflation ? Is that it now ?


Laugh

Report Cider April 13, 2022 8:11 AM BST
leif

Indeed. I feel this 'in the dark' claim is way overplayed however. Panic yes, but in the dark, no. I recall discussing this stuff on here way before the first UK wide formal lockdown in March 2020. Of course they did not know absolutely everything, but we knew a lot. We knew that the risk was highly tilted to age for example. We knew that the priority was to protect the very vulnerable.
Report Cider April 13, 2022 8:21 AM BST
New quarantine and social distancing ‘suppression’ measures are based on modelling by Imperial College
Sarah Boseley https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/new-data-new-policy-why-uks-coronavirus-strategy-has-changed

A week is a long time in a coronavirus pandemic. Within days of Boris Johnson and his advisers announcing that anyone with symptoms of a cold should stay at home for seven days but otherwise live life as normal, the prime minister came out with a series of bombshells that will effectively confine most of the population to their homes.

What changed was new data on the impact of Italy’s out-of-control epidemic on its health service. Basically, it is catastrophic, with 30% of hospitalised patients having to be admitted to intensive care. The teams of modellers at Imperial College and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine who advise government crunched those numbers – and the death toll and pressure on the NHS that came out were unacceptable.

Prof Neil Ferguson at Imperial College’s MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis and colleagues found that the mitigation strategy, as they called it – or scenario 1 – that the government had just announced would lead to 260,000 deaths. That would be not just deaths from the virus, but from other illnesses that the NHS would be too hard-pressed to treat.

Their modelling looked at all the interventions that might help drive down the infections and deaths. There were five, they said, that would have an impact:

• isolating people with a cough and temperature at home for seven days.
• quarantining families where somebody has symptoms for 14 days, to allow time for any symptoms in the others to show.
• social distancing, involving cutting the normal contacts people make at home, school or work by three-quarters.
• social distancing for everyone over 70, by asking them to stay at home.
• closure of schools and universities.

Last week’s mitigation strategy was about people staying home for seven days with symptoms. It was said that quarantine for families plus keeping the over-70s at home would probably follow. That package would reduce peak healthcare demand by two-thirds and cut deaths by half. But, the researchers said, “the resulting epidemic would still likely result in 260,000 deaths and therefore overwhelm the health system (most notably intensive care units)”.

So now we have scenario 2, which the modellers call suppression. It takes things much further, adopting all the measures except closing schools and universities. And school closures, said Ferguson, are probably also on the cards before too long.

Ferguson and his colleague Prof Azra Ghani liken the new measures to China’s actions, which succeeded in driving down the epidemic to very low numbers. But unlike in China, anything that happens in the UK will be voluntary. The government will need population buy-in for this to work.

The bad news is that although it will keep death rates down to 20,000 or possibly just a few thousand, said Ferguson, we are looking at these social curbs through to July or August – and even when the brakes are taken off, they may have to be slammed back on again. The virus will not have disappeared and could resurge. Only a small proportion of the population will have been infected, recovered and become immune.

The government’s earlier hopes that it could rely on large proportions – maybe 60% – of the population getting ill, getting better and becoming immune to build up some herd immunity in the UK population are dashed by this strategy, which many experts thought was dangerous anyway. Herd immunity is normally created by vaccinating large numbers of children, safeguarding those who cannot be inoculated. Nobody has ever tried to do that by allowing infection with a disease before – and now, it appears to have been recognised that it’s not safe to try.


This pr1ck Ferguson should be in jail for life.
Report Cider April 13, 2022 8:29 AM BST
social distancing for everyone over 70, by asking them to stay at home.


Notable even then though they knew it was over 70s. And in the next bullet these fraudsters want to close schools Crazy
Report Dr Crippen April 13, 2022 10:54 AM BST
Simply look at what happened during the 1917 pandemic. And this one is milder for the vast majority.

The virus ran riot, then tailed off after two years just like the current virus.

No vaccine then. No computer modelling either. 

What's the difference?
Report clouded leopard April 13, 2022 11:17 AM BST
Good points Dr.


The Spanish Flu also preceded a huge expansion in money supply followed by monster inflation ...


What's the difference?  Cool
Report clouded leopard April 13, 2022 11:50 AM BST
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social distancing for everyone over 70, by asking them to stay at home.


Notable even then though they knew it was over 70s. And in the next bullet these fraudsters want to close schools




And yes

Why lock down 'healthy' people ?

The vast majority of which living in the wealthier economies .....  curious


And then you get shouted at for even just questioning such policy Crazy
Report clouded leopard April 13, 2022 12:33 PM BST
Re Spanish Flu period

another interesting aside worth reading into are the activities of the monopolistic power hungry Rockefellers and Carnegie with regard to medicine.

The beginning of big Pharma as we know it today.

They came to try and take a hold of the industry over 20 years or less and change traditional methods of the time.

In other words 'monetize'


Creation of Fed 1913
WW1
Spanish flu
Monetary expansion
Inflation
All the way up to the collapse in 1929




Yep. certainly a very interesting period in history it was
Report clouded leopard April 13, 2022 12:34 PM BST
Make of it what you will
Report Johnny The Guesser April 13, 2022 12:54 PM BST
Doc - 228,000 died in the UK from a population of 34m.

Yep that's the way to do it.
Report Cider April 13, 2022 12:55 PM BST
How many died overall in that time? And what is the excess deaths number?
Report Cider April 13, 2022 12:57 PM BST
Presumably life expectation was low anyway, and many young healthy people died in the war.
Report Johnny The Guesser April 13, 2022 1:04 PM BST
I think 227,950 died with Spanish Flu not from Spanish Flu though.
Report politicspunter April 13, 2022 2:12 PM BST

Apr 13, 2022 -- 12:33PM, clouded leopard wrote:


Re Spanish Flu periodanother interesting aside worth reading into are the activities of the monopolistic power hungry Rockefellers and Carnegie with regard to medicine.The beginning of big Pharma as we know it today.They came to try and take a hold of the industry over 20 years or less and change traditional methods of the time.In other words 'monetize'Creation of Fed 1913WW1Spanish fluMonetary expansionInflationAll the way up to the collapse in 1929Yep. certainly a very interesting period in history it was


Interesting only to conspiracy theorists.

Report Stickywickets April 13, 2022 2:15 PM BST

Apr 13, 2022 -- 2:12PM, politicspunter wrote:


Apr 13, 2022 -- 12:33PM, clouded leopard wrote:Re Spanish Flu periodanother interesting aside worth reading into are the activities of the monopolistic power hungry Rockefellers and Carnegie with regard to medicine.The beginning of big Pharma as we know it today.They came to try and take a hold of the industry over 20 years or less and change traditional methods of the time.In other words 'monetize'Creation of Fed 1913WW1Spanish fluMonetary expansionInflationAll the way up to the collapse in 1929Yep. certainly a very interesting period in history it wasInteresting only to conspiracy theorists.


You are the biggest conspiracy theorist on here ffs

Report clouded leopard April 13, 2022 7:06 PM BST
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    Apr 13, 2022 -- 12:33PM, clouded leopard wrote:


    Re Spanish Flu periodanother interesting aside worth reading into are the activities of the monopolistic power hungry Rockefellers and Carnegie with regard to medicine.The beginning of big Pharma as we know it today.They came to try and take a hold of the industry over 20 years or less and change traditional methods of the time.In other words 'monetize'Creation of Fed 1913WW1Spanish fluMonetary expansionInflationAll the way up to the collapse in 1929Yep. certainly a very interesting period in history it was


Interesting only to conspiracy theorists.



Are you saying that didn't happen mugpunter ?
Report DenzilPenberthy April 13, 2022 7:14 PM BST
Set him a factual leave the forum question that you know they can't deny it's usually followed by a blocking but proves he and his ilk know fck all.
Report frog1000 April 13, 2022 7:14 PM BST
The green 'stop the oil' types are a disgrace.

Cannot believe Boris got into this whole climate change hoax.

Watching these news reports of people freezing in their own homes because they cannot afford fuel while the green lobby cash in makes me angry.
Report politicspunter April 13, 2022 8:04 PM BST
I am saying that only Conspiracy theorists would try and link those events.
Report clouded leopard April 14, 2022 10:42 AM BST
Of course, they are all inextricably linked but that was not my point was it mugchops ?

Do learn to read

By the by next time you want to challenge what you think is a statement, try using a bit more noddle than just 'conspiracy theorist'....  one reason will make you look at least slightly intelligent...
Report politicspunter April 14, 2022 10:46 AM BST
Creation of Fed 1913
WW1
Spanish flu
Monetary expansion
Inflation
All the way up to the collapse in 1929

They are all inextricably linked, are they? Only a Conspiracy theorist would think that is so.
Report clouded leopard April 14, 2022 10:56 AM BST
I'm pretty sure you used that 'term' over a year ago when I described to you the pain incoming for all re high inflation/demand destruction/possible war/ongoing supply chain disruption etc etc

Your comments do not age very well on here do they punter ?

Not very bright is the obvious answer
Report politicspunter April 14, 2022 11:08 AM BST
Well, I did tell you not to recklessly gamble on Bitcoin just over a year ago. You didn't listen and you have lost a third of your money this past year.
Report clouded leopard April 14, 2022 11:20 AM BST
Not quite the truth but that never seems to deter people like you

arrogance,ignorance,pedantry and lies - what a geezer you are
Report politicspunter April 14, 2022 11:21 AM BST
Oh, it's the truth ok.
Report clouded leopard April 14, 2022 11:27 AM BST
That coming from a beta male invested in premium bonds makes me lol

have a really lovely day punter..off into the sun here

Tell the Mrs I feel deeply sorry for her won't you Laugh
Report politicspunter April 14, 2022 11:29 AM BST
I don't know your Mrs.
Report leif May 19, 2022 9:10 AM BST
Itchy Nutsak says the next few months will be difficult.

Down to his last 120 million this man would know how difficult then, right?

I suggest it will be, 'difficult', to maintain law and order when people are losing their shoite across Europe and beyond.
Report leif May 20, 2022 4:11 PM BST
Chancellor Rishi Sunak and his wife Akshata Murty have made the Sunday Times Rich List of the UK's wealthiest 250 people for the first time.

Their joint £730m fortune ranks them at 222 of the paper's annual list.



Gonna be real difficult for the Nutsaks, innit.
Report leif May 24, 2022 5:32 PM BST
NHS mental health trust sets up food bank for staff

A food bank has been set up by an NHS mental health trust over fears its staff are struggling with price rises.

Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust (NSFT) said it was "concerned about the impact of the cost of living crisis".

It said it had set up a food bank to support those "who may be struggling to afford increasing household costs including food and bills".

Other trusts in eastern England have also started similar initiatives.
Cry


another £800 energy bill hike in October will tip millions more over the edge.

Dickensian Britain on the horizon.
The millenials about to get a kick in the nutz
Report Stickywickets May 24, 2022 5:36 PM BST
Old people are going to be found frozen to death
All to appease Greta & her mobAngry
Report Charlie May 24, 2022 6:09 PM BST

May 24, 2022 -- 5:36PM, Stickywickets wrote:


Old people are going to be found frozen to deathAll to appease Greta & her mob


I think you really mean Doris and his mob.

Report SontaranStratagem May 24, 2022 6:26 PM BST
It will need to happen before July

Its no good letting this one plod along through summer
Report leif June 3, 2022 7:43 PM BST
African countries are innocent victims of the war in Ukraine and Russia should help ease their suffering, the head of the African Union has told Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Sochi.
Chad has declared a national food emergency. A third of the population needs food aid, according to the UN and the government has appealed for international assistance

UK pishing up money on bunting and booze.

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