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frog1000
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So much for vaccines and forced mask wearing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60846692

Scotland's biggest health board has warned it is facing Covid pressures that are "as serious as it gets".

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde (NHSGGC) said it was dealing with record numbers of Covid patients alongside high staff absence rates.

People should only attend accident and emergency units if their condition is very serious or life threatening.

The number of patients across Scotland who are in hospital with Covid hit a new record high of 2,257 on Wednesday.

It was the third day in a row that the record had been broken.

Dr Scott Davidson, the deputy medical director at NHSGGC, said its hospitals were almost at capacity and A&Es were extremely busy.

He added: "This is as serious as it gets. Our teams are under significant pressure and we need the public to show support by only attending A&E if your condition is very urgent or life threatening."

NHSGGC said 1,332 of its 38,000 staff were off work for Covid-related reasons, with its hospitals treating 696 Covid patients - nine of whom were in intensive care.

Other health boards across the country are facing similar pressures, with Health Secretary Humza Yousaf due to update the Scottish Parliament on the situation on Thursday afternoon.
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Report casemoney March 23, 2022 10:06 PM GMT
I thought wee Nicki had this all under control and was doing a fantastic Job , With her extended Lockdowns and Restrictions ? I wonder what went wrong ?
Report Mexico March 23, 2022 10:11 PM GMT
Hardly a surprise there are loads of cases, there are basically zero social distancing restrictions.

Everything is open regardless of vaccine status, even if somebody knows they are positive they are still legally allowed to go to nightclubs , football matches , concerts etc. Travel also open.

Bound to be a few cases around. Will be a problem if lots of hospital staff need to take 10 days off because test positive.
Report casemoney March 23, 2022 10:13 PM GMT
I thought there was no more 10 days ?
Report edy March 23, 2022 10:35 PM GMT
Now imagine what it would be like without vaccines, InsiderTrader.
Report BennyBinion1 March 24, 2022 7:49 AM GMT
Imagine how interesting it would of been to see the quiet hospitals dealing with the illnesses and issues they should of been working against, if no one had the useless jab.

People with a fully functional immune system easily dealing with a covid variant weaker than the common cold, and never needing to go to hospital.

Not a weak immune system incapable of fighting back against a weak virus due to having 4 covid jabs and a flu jab in 14 months......

4 jabs in a year and the pin cushions still continue to get poorly with a weak illness and can't wait for their next jab!!

U don't get more crazy than that!!!
Report Stickywickets March 24, 2022 7:51 AM GMT
Plenty on here queuing up for number 5, in fact pleading with their masters for more
Report politicspunter March 24, 2022 8:42 AM GMT
"Quiet Hospitals" Laugh
Report politicspunter March 24, 2022 8:42 AM GMT
"Useless jab" Laugh
Report BennyBinion1 March 24, 2022 8:47 AM GMT
How much do u get paid for still promoting the pro jab agenda?
Report politicspunter March 24, 2022 8:56 AM GMT
How much do you get paid for coming on here spouting complete drivel?
Report Stickywickets March 24, 2022 8:58 AM GMT
My dog had 4 rabies last year & just contracted rabies... said nobody ever
Report Mexico March 24, 2022 4:58 PM GMT
Case

I thought there was no more 10 days ?


Do you believe that doctors/nurses who test positive are instructed to come to work in a hospital?
Or do you believe they stay away?
Report casemoney March 24, 2022 5:08 PM GMT
Not a clue mate , I know they have more chance of actually entering a hospital than most people

Was a massive surge in Cases among them over the Xmas Holiday period ...

Easter on the way  stand by for another surge of head colds .
Report casemoney March 24, 2022 5:10 PM GMT
PP of course delighted he may be able to get another 3 jabs before the end of the year ,And thinks they will stop him getting co vid Grin
Report frog1000 March 24, 2022 5:11 PM GMT
Why would they be off work if they were not ill?

The advice if you are ill socialise less and/or stay home. Same as for any other virus.
Report Mexico March 24, 2022 5:22 PM GMT
What are you on about 19.

There are no face covering rules, there are basically no Covid rules at all. Hardly a surprise cases are rising, the ONS random survey is a couple of weeks behind, it offers a good understanding of what is happening.


Do you get out much 19? Do you go to work? I assume you can’t still be unemployed as there at pre so many jobs around for anybody who is looking.


Frog. The advice isn’t to carry on working in a hospital if you test positive for Covid. Or are you claiming that is government and medical advice?
Report politicspunter March 24, 2022 5:33 PM GMT
19 is a scrounger. He has never any intention of looking for a job.
Report casemoney March 24, 2022 7:24 PM GMT
Says the Freeloader PP GrinGrin
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 3:25 PM GMT
Covid in Scotland: New record as one in 11 Scots had virus last week

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-60874053

On Friday, data from the Office for National Statistics suggested that one in 14 Scots, a total of 376,300 people, had Covid in the week ending 12 March. Most cases are thought to involve the more transmissible BA.2 sub-variant of Omicron.

Omicron infections tend to be milder and with a large proportion of people vaccinated, the risks of becoming seriously unwell with this variant are relatively low.

Despite this, Prof Linda Bauld, an expert in public health at the University of Edinburgh who also advises the government, told BBC Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme the NHS was still under real pressure.

Prof Bauld said Covid-positive patients required more protocols which take more time, even if they were originally admitted to hospital for other ailments.

Waiting lists and staff absences have also been affected by outbreaks, she added.

She advised people should take up the offer of vaccines and expect future vaccines to protect against multiple variants.
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 3:26 PM GMT
So much for vaccines and cloth masks.

Simply not working in Scotland.
Report Johnny The Guesser March 25, 2022 3:26 PM GMT
How high would cases be without vaccines and masks ? Do you know ?
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 3:31 PM GMT
I know without masks. 1 in 16 people in maskless England compared to 1 in 11 in Scotland with cloth masks.

If you must wear a mask use a N95 mask.
Report Johnny The Guesser March 25, 2022 3:33 PM GMT
Having a rule about masks doesn't mean everybody follows it - far from it.
Report Dotchinite March 25, 2022 3:50 PM GMT
These 1 in 16 and 1 in 11 figures are so ridiculous nobody can believe they are accurate. They come out with this week after week yet when they give figures for the total cases to date clearly one is wrong.
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 3:51 PM GMT
Many many many people have been infected more than once.
Report edy March 25, 2022 3:55 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 4:26PM, frog1000 wrote:


So much for vaccines and cloth masks.Simply not working in Scotland.


Now imagine how it would be without vaccines! Shocked

Report edy March 25, 2022 3:55 PM GMT
Can you explain the vaccines comment, InsiderTrader?
Report Dotchinite March 25, 2022 4:08 PM GMT
frog they would need to be when they continually claim such huge figures. Four and a half million this week alone. Dont believe it for a second.
Report edy March 25, 2022 4:12 PM GMT
Why would they deliberately claim bigger case numbers?
Report Dotchinite March 25, 2022 4:22 PM GMT
Its only guesswork this isnt based on positive tests so probably extreme incompetence.
Report edy March 25, 2022 4:24 PM GMT
It's not based on tests? Someone somewhere just sits and guesses numbers?
Report tobermory March 25, 2022 4:25 PM GMT
Mask mandates, lockdowns etc are ending because Sturgeon,Drakeford et al are removing restrictions.

If the death toll rises will we have threads on here about 'SNP murderers' ?

In New Zealand last year there was a national lockdown because of 1 case. Now they have hundreds of thousands of cases and are planning on ending all restrictions.

If all these measures make no difference now how were they helping previously Confused
Report edy March 25, 2022 4:25 PM GMT
Tobermory, variants and circumstances have changed.
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 4:29 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 5:25PM, tobermory wrote:


Mask mandates, lockdowns etc are ending because Sturgeon,Drakeford et al are removing restrictions.If the death toll rises will we have threads on here about 'SNP murderers' ?In New Zealand last year there was a national lockdown because of 1 case. Now they have hundreds of thousands of cases and are planning on ending all restrictions.If all these measures make no difference now how were they helping previously


I think they realised it is untenable to keep asking healthy people to get more and more vaccines. Cloth masks dont really work against the latest strain.

They have tried all tools they got and they don't work long term.

Report edy March 25, 2022 4:32 PM GMT
Can't explain the vaccines comment then, InsiderTrader?
Report Mexico March 25, 2022 4:42 PM GMT
Frog

Cloth masks are hardly likely to be very effective if they are left at home on the kitchen table.
There isn’t any rule to ware masks in England. Everything is open, there are no social distancing requirements. Even if somebody knows they have Covid they are still allowed to go to pubs nightclubs football matches.

Why are you surprised that cases are rising? The U.K. government have decided to scale down Covid restrictions to almost nothing. They have decided is enough protection from vaccines and previous infections and so are prepared to allow a few deaths in order to open the economy.
Report edy March 25, 2022 4:50 PM GMT
Tobermory: Just because something is not done or is not mandated anymore doesn't mean it never made a difference or even currently wouldn't make a difference. Should be pretty self explanatory. Vaccines, masks etc. do make a difference, quite obviously, but mandating either isn't deemed warranted right now as large parts of the population are vaccinated and the current dominant strain in itself also appears to be quite a bit more harmless in deaths per case than the original strain and previous variants of concern.

If measures are not continued most of the time it will simply not be deemed effective enough in the current circumstances or not deemed necessary to achieve a certain goal. Smallpox vaccination was mandatory in Germany for a while. After some time it was deemed not necessary anymore. Doesn't mean the smallpox vaccination never helped to begin with.

Variables change. If they do, you can't just go "haha, told you from the start vaccines don't work!" (like some people, not you, do with the antibody protection from infection being worse for omicron) or suggest measures never made any difference.
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 5:10 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 5:42PM, Mexico wrote:


FrogCloth masks are hardly likely to be very effective if they are left at home on the kitchen table.There isn’t any rule to ware masks in England. Everything is open, there are no social distancing requirements. Even if somebody knows they have Covid they are still allowed to go to pubs nightclubs football matches.Why are you surprised that cases are rising? The U.K. government have decided to scale down Covid restrictions to almost nothing. They have decided is enough protection from vaccines and previous infections and so are prepared to allow a few deaths in order to open the economy.


Mex, cloth masks still required in scotland...

Places you need to wear a face covering include:

shops
bars, restaurants, cafes and nightclubs
churches and other places of worship
public transport, including stations and bus stops
at work (including tradespeople working in people’s homes)

Much higher cases in Scotland than in England where (as you point out) cloth masks no longer needed.

Report casemoney March 25, 2022 5:34 PM GMT
Looks like the big Hogmanay Shut down had no effect whatsoever , Who would have thought it ?
Report Mexico March 25, 2022 5:36 PM GMT
Wow frog

So every bar in Scotland makes sure people have a mask on while drinking their beer.

These rules are strongly enforced I bet. Must be 99% compliance?
Everything is open, there is basically zero social distancing. Been capacity crowds at football and rugby in Scotland, England and Wales. What a surprise cases are rising. Can’t think why?
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 5:38 PM GMT
Omicron BA.2 is your answer Mexico
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 5:39 PM GMT
spreads faster than measles.
Report Mexico March 25, 2022 5:44 PM GMT
Bet it doesn’t spread very fast if people don’t attend nightclubs, football stadiums, restaurants, trains, etc.
There isn’t any social distancing because governments happy the population have enough protection that health service can cope.

If a variant was 50 times more deadly then governments would act accordingly. People have protection because of vaccines and previous infections. Authorities are happy to keep economy open and generate tax etc. allow people to have fun and just accept a thousand or so will die each week. It is a balancing act.
Report sofiakenny March 25, 2022 5:49 PM GMT
Unbelievable that so many bampots think that the vaccine prevents you from contracting covid..when I got my first jab the nurse informed me that it would NOT prevent me from contracting covid but it would make far more likely that it would not be so severe..ie.far less likely to kill.
Report Stickywickets March 25, 2022 5:51 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 6:49PM, sofiakenny wrote:


Unbelievable that so many bampots think that the vaccine prevents you from contracting covid..when I got my first jab the nurse informed me that it would NOT prevent me from contracting covid but it would make far more likely that it would not be so severe..ie.far less likely to kill.


LaughLaughLaugh
What a loser

Report Stickywickets March 25, 2022 5:52 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 6:49PM, sofiakenny wrote:


Unbelievable that so many bampots think that the vaccine prevents you from contracting covid..when I got my first jab the nurse informed me that it would NOT prevent me from contracting covid but it would make far more likely that it would not be so severe..ie.far less likely to kill.


You are making a complete tit out of yourself

https://twitter.com/AreUCertain/status/1505994047659261956?s=20&t=AprwhvrWukrkhMZNTBVvrw

Report shiny new shoes please March 25, 2022 5:55 PM GMT
Dr Tony h .. PCR tests are junk ..ship the sick, bedblockers  into carehomes
to step down from his position as Chief Medical Officer at the Department of Health.
Cheers tones
Report Johnny The Guesser March 25, 2022 6:28 PM GMT
The anti-vaxxers having now to focus on the transmission question. Obviously the main benefit of vaccination  - they reduce the chances of serious illness once infected - is now finally accepted.
Report sofiakenny March 25, 2022 6:31 PM GMT
Stinkywicket..so the nurse is an idiot and you know better..fud.
Report Stickywickets March 25, 2022 6:32 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 7:31PM, sofiakenny wrote:


Stinkywicket..so the nurse is an idiot and you know better..fud.


https://twitter.com/AreUCertain/status/1505994047659261956?s=20&t=AprwhvrWukrkhMZNTBVvrw

Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 6:33 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 7:28PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


The anti-vaxxers having now to focus on the transmission question. Obviously the main benefit of vaccination

Report Stickywickets March 25, 2022 6:35 PM GMT

Mar 25, 2022 -- 7:31PM, sofiakenny wrote:


Stinkywicket..so the nurse is an idiot and you know better..fud.


What on earth does a nurse know about vaccinations ffs

Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 6:36 PM GMT
As someone who has had 3 vaxs I still question if 6 after my booster I will have a reduced chance of serious illness if infected.

As a healthy 40 year old what was my chance of serious illness in the first place?
Report frog1000 March 25, 2022 6:37 PM GMT
should say 'if six months after my booster I will have a reduced chance of serious illness if infected.'
Report Johnny The Guesser March 25, 2022 6:42 PM GMT
Pretty low Frog , but even lower with the jabs.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 26, 2022 6:22 PM GMT
I've got 2 questions:

1) I thought this was a seasonal disease that would naturally evaporate as the weather imporoved. What's changed?

2) I thought Omicron was supposed to be much milder. We've seen the situation in Hong Kong and elsewhere and now record numbers of people needing hospital treatment here. Now either it's fairly harmless (common cold etc) or it's bad enough to hospitalise thousands. Which one is it?
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 26, 2022 6:24 PM GMT
oh, and 3) I take it those advocating herd immunity as a quick way out of this a couple of years ago have already apologised. No?
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