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All needing an increase in popularity. This from The Telegraph.
Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to the UK, warned on Sunday that the panic being caused by the West sounding the alarm could be playing into Vladimir Putin's hands.
Created by the west no. Created by the US and its ever bellicose sidekick. Tory England. The Ukrainian's are far less worried about Russian invasion than Biden. The panic means that if it doesn't happen Biden claims victory. And Boris can claim VJ day again but this time its Victory Johnson day and he becomes the Churchill he always wanted to be. "Just like Munich" innit.
Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to the UK, warned on Sunday that the panic being caused by the West sounding the alarm could be playing into Vladimir Putin's hands.
Created by the west no. Created by the US and its ever bellicose sidekick. Tory England. The Ukrainian's are far less worried about Russian invasion than Biden. The panic means that if it doesn't happen Biden claims victory. And Boris can claim VJ day again but this time its Victory Johnson day and he becomes the Churchill he always wanted to be. "Just like Munich" innit.
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If half russia's army was based in france belgium and norway, I'm pretty sure the telegraph editor would shi--ing his pants.
That seems rather ungrateful , perhaps if the Ukraines UK ambassador is not happy with our help he can run back and cosy up to Putin and Russia . That’s fine good luck
Hello Melv, where have you been?
I think that the Western politicians are pushing Putin into a corner where he will have to attack to save face whether he intended to or not and I don't like it one bit.
I think that the Western politicians are pushing Putin into a corner where he will have to attack to save face whether he intended to or not and I don't like it one bit.
oh another right wing pootin apologist - who'd have thunk it?
Nato membership is the issue here. The Russian buildup is defensive only at the moment imho and Ukraine dropping the NATO plans would solve the issue overnight imho
Its the EU and US who have completely disregarded the US "promise" to not move NATO 1 inch east.
You could argue given its expansion since 1997, that Russia has been incredibly patient in the face of such wanton aggression from the West
Its the EU and US who have completely disregarded the US "promise" to not move NATO 1 inch east.
You could argue given its expansion since 1997, that Russia has been incredibly patient in the face of such wanton aggression from the West
rofl pootin signed a treaty with ukraine that he has blatantly violated.
as was mentioned in another thread pootin is scared of democracy on his doorstep, not tanks.
rofl russia signed a treaty with ukraine that pootin has blatantly violated
more accurately
more accurately
I think a buffer zone from NATO is an understandable desire for Russia, but surely less important in these days of unmechanised war. I thought we had seen an end to tank battles etc.
Our help? Johnson fan nying around as if he's a statesman and Truss getting herself ridiculed and embarassed in front of the whole world!
You have to laugh.
You have to laugh.
I don't think Putin could care less about so-called democracy. He knows that it produces - Trumps, Johnsons and lgbt bowlucks, none of which is any threat to him and Russia. He knows there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of it infecting/gaining a hold in Russia. This is about him putting Nato in its place, by whatever means he is forced into.
^^budapest memorandum
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine
etc
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine
etc
I think a buffer zone from NATO is an understandable desire for Russia, but surely less important in these days of unmechanised war. I thought we had seen an end to tank battles etc.
Nato is a defensive organisation.
Wanting a buffer from a defensive organisation
Why would that be comrade laddie
Nato is a defensive organisation.
Wanting a buffer from a defensive organisation
Why would that be comrade laddie
The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan.
Thats a memorandum not a treaty.
Russia are not invading Ukraine. They are in a defensive position against the progression of NATO eastwards. A promise given by the Bush administration in the early 90s.
Thats a memorandum not a treaty.
Russia are not invading Ukraine. They are in a defensive position against the progression of NATO eastwards. A promise given by the Bush administration in the early 90s.
I think technically that Berwick On Tweed is still at war with Russia. So we have a precedent to conscript lfc1971, send him in and thus get rid of the limp-wristed Eton boy for ever.
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb
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Russia are not invading Ukraine
They have already annexed chunks of it.
They have already annexed chunks of it.
“Could be imminent”
So it’s gone invasion, to imminent, to “could be” imminent
Oh and “48 hours” so we all know what means, it’ll be a week before we hear anything else and we’ll stilll be on “48 hours” and “possible”
So it’s gone invasion, to imminent, to “could be” imminent
Oh and “48 hours” so we all know what means, it’ll be a week before we hear anything else and we’ll stilll be on “48 hours” and “possible”
I think a trip to Russia is in order as well, and remove their moron as well
It is formally a memorandum Dave. It being on a website called treaties.un.org doesn't change that
https://web.archive.org/web/20140419030507/http://minsk.usembassy.gov/budapest_memorandum.html
As above even the US do not view it as legally binding. Its as much a treaty as Bakers promise to not move NATO once inch further east
https://web.archive.org/web/20140419030507/http://minsk.usembassy.gov/budapest_memorandum.html
As above even the US do not view it as legally binding. Its as much a treaty as Bakers promise to not move NATO once inch further east
RQ one of the few on her who understands what is going on 
https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1493275660118380552?s=19
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Number of miles Russia has moved westwards since 1990 < Zero
Number of Miles NATO has expanded eastwards since 1990 alot > Zero
and its the Russians who are expansionist.
Number of Miles NATO has expanded eastwards since 1990 alot > Zero
and its the Russians who are expansionist.
Ukrainian President Zelensky has issued anew decree declaring February 16 — the day Russia might be planning an attack — the Day of Unity. He calls on Ukrainians to raise yellow-&-blue flags, sing the national anthem at 10am, among other patriotic actions.
This is what happens when you elect a comedian to power.
This is what happens when you elect a comedian to power.
Ukraine needs to learn from us here in Scotland.
Yep. We've been flying flags for years and still can't get England away from our borders!
nobody mention the red and black flags, or the fact Ukraine has banned the Russian language, the native language of half the popuation
i can't stop laughing when i see thee guys training with cardboard AK-47s
the real losers here, as with the maidan, will be the Ukies themselves
Biden and Boris don't give a **** about them
Biden and Boris don't give a **** about them
I have just remembered that Ukraine were one of the diddy teams England were given at the Euros.
or the neo-nazis fighting the "Russian backed separatists" in the Donbas
none of this ever gets mentioned
none of this ever gets mentioned
^^^^^^Ukraine view it as a treaty and Russia I don't believe have claimed it isn't binding or given a credible explanation why they aren't in breach.
dave
do you think Gorbachev expected Ukraine to become a NATO member?
do you think Gorbachev expected Ukraine to become a NATO member?
I thought our Prime Minister should be a little more concerned about the problems in our country than what is not happening in Ukraine
Ukraine is a piece of cake, compared to whats
going on at home.
going on at home.
Ukraine is not our problem. It's not even Nato's problem. I've just eaten a piece of cake, that wasn't a problem either.
I just had cake too
Let them eat cake and the World would be a better place!
Oh except if you were Prime Minister of the UK during lockdown
Let them eat cake and the World would be a better place!
Oh except if you were Prime Minister of the UK during lockdown
Presumably you don’t like chocolate cake moist unless it’s white chocolate! Or maybe a Victoria Sponge?
strangely, and probably against my kkk memhership, I prefer dark chocolate. 90percent cocoa if poss. Please keep this between ourselves as I have a certain reputation to maintain.
ironic as I prefer less cocoa like Galaxy
English chocolate is the best or perhaps most liked in the World. I am sure Belgian and Swiss chocolate is better but ours tastes the best!
English chocolate is the best or perhaps most liked in the World. I am sure Belgian and Swiss chocolate is better but ours tastes the best!
A hit and run thread by melv. He hasn't posted on this forum for ages to my knowledge, now one new thread with one post. Why? Is he still posting under a different name?
I love this guy. Here's some info for ya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gOustKwU4E
Its "A different bias". Excellent politics site posted several times a day. Unless you're the kinda ignorant rightwing Canute who thinks that all lefties are useless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gOustKwU4E
Its "A different bias". Excellent politics site posted several times a day. Unless you're the kinda ignorant rightwing Canute who thinks that all lefties are useless
Sorry below is the Phil Moorhouse site "A different bias". Excellent as becomes a former maths teacher; very clear, very factual, very accurate, very well structured. One of the best things on you tube. Not just for lefties. Unless of course you are proud of being ignorant. I know there are some.
Talking about chocolate - does anybody remember the MB Bar? Couldn't get enough of it as a kid. Sometimes Route one after pocket money. 
It takes a bit of staying with melv but is worth it. Thank you.
It is worryingly inconceivable that no past PM of this nation could or would have left themselves open to such claims.
This is Britain today. Presided over by a buffoon who cares not a jot about our nation's image or integrity.
It is worryingly inconceivable that no past PM of this nation could or would have left themselves open to such claims.
This is Britain today. Presided over by a buffoon who cares not a jot about our nation's image or integrity.
North of the border, Whispering, they do things differently there.
No we don't, we do though sometimes have local things though - just like anywhere else.
How are the morris dancers going chaps?
Or the ****s and peas?
How are the morris dancers going chaps?
Or the ****s and peas?
I forgot. We can't write cigarettots and peas anymore.
The flabbots aren't all that different to haggis but I prefer the latter.
Is Morris dancing all that different to sword dancing in kilts? We still have much in common.
Is Morris dancing all that different to sword dancing in kilts? We still have much in common.
Fcek yes Foinavon!
Real men don’t wear skirts FFS!
Real men don’t wear skirts FFS!
Why was Scotland known historically, amongst mercenary soldiers, as the "Land Of Cakes"?
Not sure this is going to do Boris much good,the Russian report may be further scrutinised,if not now not too far down the line.
No comment. I wish I had kept my big mouth shut. Prayers are the only thing I can think of now. Best wishes to all.
Good to see you are alive and kicking Melv,it is shocking news and myself included didn't think it would actually happen,all very sad.
Hi Foin, Pa and anyone else who knows me. Well I'm disenfranchised. Again. Only votin Labour coz they ain't the Tories. They won't support NHS Education or a proper green new deal. They will do cuts and the will do warmongering because its back to The Old "New" Labour. Starmer is a liar. My hearts not in politics. And I've backed Jonbon @ 4/1 int supreme Novice so I'm down hearted about that too. I do have a Cheltenham plan but its sure to fail. Good luck to all. See you when I get enthusiastic about summat. Don't hold yer breath. God Bless.
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