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10 Feb 22 19:49
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Just shows even with Vaccine passports, 3 jabs and forced mask wearing it still spreads.

Get well soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-60332828

Wales' First Minister Mark Drakeford has tested positive for coronavirus and is self-isolating, the Welsh government has said.

The news comes a day before Mr Drakeford was due to announce his latest review of coronavirus legislation.

Economy minister Vaughan Gething will now take Friday's press conference.

A Welsh government spokesman said the first minister tested positive after taking a PCR test.

"He is self-isolating and working remotely", he added.

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By:
casemoney
When: 10 Feb 22 19:53
"He is self-isolating and working remotely", he added. Be no need for that the End of the month be back to those with a cold getting on with life like it used to be .
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 19:55
He won't be able to visit his rapist son in prison now. It's just not fair.
By:
politicspunter
When: 10 Feb 22 19:56
Vaccinations don't stop you catching Covid. I am not sure how many times the OP has to be told this Sad
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 20:00
It's not a vaccine then is it.


Vaccine noun
any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 20:01
Well done Frog for not calling those jabs a vaccine. Leave that to Lara and the other fake profiles.
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Feb 22 20:06
PP in a desperate staTE HAD 40 hazmat SUITS ON ORDER
By:
Giuseppe
When: 10 Feb 22 20:09
not to worry fourth jab available soon hopefully
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 20:13
PP will be queuing already. He's used to feeling a little prick.
By:
casemoney
When: 10 Feb 22 20:18
Laugh
By:
frog1000
When: 10 Feb 22 20:22
Full video here all the claims vaccines stop transmission...

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1475894052113588231?s=20&t=snNjM2dTpBe3OcDPqRTTxQ

Fauci, Biden, Gates, Liberal media all claimed this.
By:
politicspunter
When: 10 Feb 22 20:29
They don't. How many times do you have to be told the same thing? Sad
By:
politicspunter
When: 10 Feb 22 20:31
One thing that they certainly do is help prevent the illness becoming very serious and hopefully save you life.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 20:31
They don't. How many times do you have to be told the same thing?   --- None, he didn't have a non vaccine jab Lara.
By:
dave1357
When: 10 Feb 22 20:47
OP is a fool and continually posts half truths and "news" that he tries to twist as some sort of justification for his idiotic beliefs, but as far as the vaccine's initial hype is concerned, he is correct.  The vaccine trials claimed eg 90% protection from getting the disease.  There was no mention about the waning of immunity after a few months.  That said, he and the rest of the antivax filth that pollute this forum, should shut their mouths about the subject, unless they wish to thank the vast majority of this country's people who got vaccinated and took the pressure of the hospitals, allowing them to carry out their normal functions.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 20:50
They lied,it was never 90% protection.
By:
flat16
When: 10 Feb 22 20:53
"Drakeford tests positive" certainly not for having a personality ,dour fecker...........now if someone said he had been partying
By:
dave1357
When: 10 Feb 22 20:54
^^you typed some nonsense about this before, probably confusing the maths of false positives with the maths of vaccine trials.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 20:56
No Dave, you didn't understand the maths. Print your maths again and I'll explain to you.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 20:59
Print the maths Dave and I will enlighten you.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 10 Feb 22 21:00
"One thing that they certainly do is help prevent the illness becoming very serious and hopefully save you life. "

ok so why is it anyone else's business whether you get jabbed or not?
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 21:05
"One thing that they certainly do is help prevent the illness becoming very serious and hopefully save you life. "  - - This is an assumption as well. It certainly can be shown how much it helped prevent the worsening of symptoms and whether or not they made things worse in the long run. It didn't help Israel much.
By:
dave1357
When: 10 Feb 22 21:08
The maths of vaccine trials is risibly simple.  You give x1000 people the vaccine and a x1000 people the placebo and wait.  After x people have caught the virus you unblind and check how many of the infected were vaxxed and placebo.  If 100 were placebo and 10 were vaxxed, it is assuming the populations were homogenous, correct to say the vaccine is 90% effective.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 21:15
So you not going to print the maths Dave. Never mind, I'll try with you anyway. The numbers are irrelevant if the bias from sample selection is not statistically removed. They will not disclose those numbers and apparently trying not to for 75 years. Nobody knows (definitely not you) if those trials had any bias.   It happens all the time here is an example from cancer drug trials.

In 2018, HAI co-funded a study investigating the risk of bias in cancer drug trials submitted to the European Medicines Agency (EMA) to inform the approval of the drugs for public use (Naci et al: 2019). The study found that half of cancer drug approvals between 2014 and 2016 were based on potentially biased clinical trial data.
By:
dave1357
When: 10 Feb 22 21:18
So we don't have maths, just a conspiracy theory?

I said  it is assuming the populations were homogenous, correct to say the vaccine is 90% effective. that is correct. If you can't work out why I said you're a thicko.  hth
By:
dave1357
When: 10 Feb 22 21:21
You're blocked, you aren't going to waste my time again like that.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 21:26
Look Dave you can deflect with than nonsense all day, I don't care. If you don't understand statistical bias in sample populations you shouldn't be posting stats. Your daft comment about assuming the population was homogeneous is irrelevant. You posted numbers in you previous posts and said they proved it was 90% effective and then referred  to them when you said -- typed some nonsense about this before, probably confusing the maths of false positives with the maths of vaccine trials.--. I explained quite clearly why the maths is suspect.

There is no conspiracy, no one in their right mind thinks the vaccine is 90% effective, it clearly isn't.

Have some class and realise your mistake you numpty.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 21:27
And I am blocked because you made a tw@t of yourself.

Someone cut and paste my response for Dave. I don't want him to live in ignorance.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Feb 22 21:29
The initial tests did not claim that the vaccine would stop 90% of people from catching  Covid but that it would stop you developing the symptoms , or the full range of symptoms
You will obviously have a possibility of a slight cough or sniffle or be asymptomatic - right through the range to full covid
It was thought to stop 90% from getting full life threatening Covid

They didn’t know at the time if the vaccine would stop you spreading the vaccine
Just from developing symptoms
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Feb 22 21:48
Dave doesn’t know what he’s taking about , because he has  misunderstood what was said about the initial tests
By:
eyeball
When: 10 Feb 22 21:51
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 21:52
Dave doesn’t know what he’s taking about ---  You could have stopped there Ifc.
By:
dave1357
When: 10 Feb 22 21:57
eyeball no point in posting that - truehoncho thinks 43k people who were randomly assigned placebo and vax were deliberately biased by Pfizer.
By:
dave1357
When: 10 Feb 22 21:58
because he doesn't understand maths, only conspiracy theories.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Feb 22 22:01
There are obviously different levels of civid , different strains and different levels of different strains and different levels of the same strain that can be caught
There are also different people , different types of people , different ages , different levels of fitness, different genes etc etc
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 22:09
because he doesn't understand maths, only conspiracy theories.  -- I'm just not a gullible idiot. Again:

In 2018, HAI co-funded a study investigating the risk of bias in cancer drug trials submitted to the European Medicines Agency (EMA) to inform the approval of the drugs for public use (Naci et al: 2019). The study found that half of cancer drug approvals between 2014 and 2016 were based on potentially biased clinical trial data.
By:
truehoncho
When: 10 Feb 22 22:13
Regarding eyeballs link (at least he bothered to post some evidence Dave, not just make a idiot of himself like you), there are plenty of questions and its not conclusive:

Questionable results are reported in Table 3. In each trial group, the sum of the number of cases across age groups (9 in the vaccine group and 186 in the placebo group) does not equal the overall number of cases (8 and 162, respectively).

Polack et al. may have erroneously concluded that the differences in the absolute numbers of severe Covid-19 cases between the vaccine group and the placebo group provide preliminary evidence of protection against the development of severe Covid-19 illness. The percentage of Covid-19–positive patients in whom severe illness developed was 5.6% (9 of 162 patients) in the placebo group and 12.5% (1 of 8 patients) in the vaccine group — a difference of 6.9 percentage points (95% confidence interval [CI], 6.4 to 7.6) (P
By:
leif
When: 10 Feb 22 22:46
Dave Numbers and the rest of the pincushions have the hump now that the Russian has said it's BAU from the end of Feb.

Yammer awash with civil service bods sh1tt1ng their knickers with having to go back to the osssifices Cool

Stretch elastic waistbands for those who've worked too close to the biscuit barrel and hid under the duvets for two years methinks.
By:
eyeball
When: 10 Feb 22 23:34
The study I posted above concludes that Pfizer's vaccine protects against covid 19.

"A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older."

The vaccine does not induce "sterilizing" immunity.

Sterilizing immunity is the best-case scenario for a COVID-19 vaccine and something that is not altogether unimaginable. The vaccines developed for human papillomavirus (HPV), for instance, provide this level of immune protection.3 The difference, of course, is that HPV is not transmitted via respiratory droplets, and therein lies the central challenge for COVID-19 vaccine developers.

When COVID-19 infection occurs, the virus attaches to a protein called angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) that proliferate in both the upper respiratory tract and lower respiratory tract. This provides the virus the means to hook onto these respiratory tissues and cells and establish an infection.4

Although the current vaccine candidates have demonstrated the ability the reduce symptoms and the number of viruses in the lower respiratory tract, there is as of yet no evidence of sterilizing immunity in the upper respiratory tract.5

https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19-vaccines-and-sterilizing-immunity-5092148#:~:text=For%20sterilizing%20immunity%20to%20be,causing%20organism%20like%20a%20virus.
By:
eyeball
When: 10 Feb 22 23:37
The vaccine will NOT protect you from infection.
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