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The Government is facing calls for an inquiry into Islamophobia after a Tory MP said she was told she had been fired as a minister due to concerns about her “Muslimness”.

Nusrat Ghani said she was informed by a Government whip that her faith was “making colleagues uncomfortable” when she lost her job as a transport minister in 2020.

The claim was strongly denied by Chief Whip Mark Spencer who said her comments in an interview with The Sunday Times were “defamatory”.

Following the allegations, Labour, backbench Tory MPs and faith groups have called for an investigation to take place into the matter, as well as wider allegations of Islamophobia in the Conservative Party

The calls come as pressure mounts over the tactics whips use to convince colleagues to vote with the Government.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/islamophobia-conservative-party-mark-spencer-caroline-nokes-emily-thornberry-b978271.html


a shocking development - let's hope can root out islamaphobia in the tory partu
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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 23, 2022 9:03 PM GMT
No surprise to see the defence of
the racist Halocaust denier and the
love of his quotation.

Hey ho, on a thread about tory islamaphobia

How quaint
Report Giuseppe January 23, 2022 9:03 PM GMT
mo knows his 18th century french enlightenment writers Cool
Report Giuseppe January 23, 2022 9:04 PM GMT
i doubt laugh does

don't think they go for that type of stuff in the morning star
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 9:07 PM GMT
No one has defended any holocaust denier - that would be sickening
Now do you see how false accusations can arise ...
Report truehoncho January 23, 2022 9:14 PM GMT
Pay no attention to him IFC. He is a proper hypocrite. All his retweets are biased and of dubious worth.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 9:15 PM GMT
Jeremy Corbin attended an event by holocaust denier
He was accused of misleading MPs after failing to disclose private meeting
with holocaust denier ...
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 9:20 PM GMT
He met members of Deir Yassin remembered
which is led by Paul Eisen - a self confessed holocaust denier
who says that he has been close to Corbyn for 15 years ...
Deary me :(
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 23, 2022 9:24 PM GMT
Ah so you quote a Halocaust denier
bang on about racism and how voltaire
might have been a racist, but can't admit
to it, then go back onto anti semitism

Without spotting the obvious irony of yoursekf
and forum pals.

Hey ho..
Report moisok January 23, 2022 9:34 PM GMT
yes  and osmond's progressives would love to shut down any critique of their important cult
Report Giuseppe January 23, 2022 9:36 PM GMT
isn't donny a mormom

think they hbanned black people from teh priesthood for a long time

laugh has no problmen with that apparently
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 9:37 PM GMT
yhtl , the quote has nothing to do with racism.
It doesn’t mention race  or racism , I’ve never read the play or heard of the writer
It doesn’t help if you are unable to grasp that
Report Giuseppe January 23, 2022 9:37 PM GMT
the left are the real racists
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 9:40 PM GMT
So to make it simple for you -

I wasn’t quoting a holocaust denier ,
I was quoting Voltaire - mistakenly
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 23, 2022 10:01 PM GMT
Of course it's racism

It's a quote from a racist planted on
whack job sites so gullibles repeat it
as a voltaire quote

But it's a Halocaust denier/ racist quote
all the same.
Report lapsy pa January 23, 2022 10:06 PM GMT
Yer very racist altogether lads,no wonder the Scots want out.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 10:52 PM GMT
There are 65 ethnic minority MPs in Westminster , and 50 in the House of Lords
Scotland holyrood there are 4?

How many in the Irish Parliament lapsy ?
Report lapsy pa January 23, 2022 11:00 PM GMT
Haven't a clue Lfc, you seem to have one crowd against the Jews,that is well documented on these forums for yonks but it seems the height of hypocrisy with what is in the news today.
Are both as bad as each other?
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 11:09 PM GMT
Well my take is that there is no other country in the world as racially tolerant and diverse as England
And the facts are that is the case in Parliament and every walk of life - in England
Report lapsy pa January 23, 2022 11:11 PM GMT
Does that apply to the labour party too?
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 11:17 PM GMT
of course - I’ve never thought Corbyn was anti Semitic eg
But remember I am talking about England and English people
Things can change  - it’s important to be cautious , not complacent
It’s very very difficult to build a multi racial society
Report lapsy pa January 23, 2022 11:22 PM GMT
Ok,i didn't think so either re Labour,it is thrown out all the time though.

Yes,agree wholeheartily you are generally tolerant.
Report lfc1971 January 23, 2022 11:26 PM GMT
Right good man , I’m watching motd Happy
Report A_T January 24, 2022 8:09 AM GMT
Nusrat Ghani: PM orders Cabinet Office to investigate 'Muslimness' claim

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has ordered a Cabinet Office inquiry into claims made by a Muslim MP who says her faith was given as a reason for her sacking as a minister in 2020.

Nusrat Ghani said a government whip said her "Muslimness was raised as an issue", according to the Sunday Times.

The Conservative MP welcomed the inquiry, saying all she wanted was for the matter to be taken seriously.

Conservative Chief Whip Mark Spencer says the claims are completely false.

He has said Ms Ghani was referring to him and that he considered her allegations to be defamatory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60108377


interesting that Spencer seems to know it was him
Report dustybin January 24, 2022 8:59 AM GMT
‘Faith groups’ -pmsl
Maybe ‘faith groups’ can explain why they get treated with kid gloves while spouting any old tripe that they can’t justify under the umbrella of religion?

Perhaps it’s time for every church and mosque to have an independent body listening to everything said in such buildings that could be taken as offensive against others?
That would be fair wouldn’t it if everything outside is becoming a hangable offence?
Report dustybin January 24, 2022 9:02 AM GMT
I see increasing quarters boris getting called a liar…because he is a liar it’s proven time and again
Parliament won’t allow anyone to be called a liar however because it’s a total joke outfit that looks after itself

When can we start calling faith followers liars please?
Report lfc1971 January 24, 2022 10:42 AM GMT
The right to free speech is more important than the content of the speech @ Voltaire
How wise .
Report Whisperingdeath January 24, 2022 10:44 AM GMT
Yes Dusty but lying to The House is viewed differently and if it is ascertained he has lied he will be gawn sans knives in the back. He will have to resign, which, will be interesting to see if he does
Report dustybin January 24, 2022 11:21 AM GMT
As a point of fact he is already a proven liar
But they can’t call him a liar, and even if he gets found to have lied to Parliament I suspect they still won’t actually call him a liar

It’s a complete nonsense
Just like the opening of Parliament is a charade, the pomp and ceremony means nothing, it’s just there to dazzle
I always laugh at those two who follow the queen carrying snooker ques that were snatched away mid game….(they are supposed to represent yardsticks or sumat)
Report dustybin January 24, 2022 12:18 PM GMT
What I really want to know with all this gathering ‘hate crime’ guff
Is how is preaching not a hate crime, when the kernel of their point is about damning those who refuse to join their cult?
Based on supposition at best and nothing quantifying ‘evidence’ beyond something written millennia ago by some bloke or other
And all these fantastical claims, that use ultimate threats of the unknown, that seem absurd to any layman, are used to elicit money from scared or silly people.

Never mind all this clamping down on people speaking truth, why is any of the above allowed?
Report flat16 January 24, 2022 12:33 PM GMT
If Drakeford ,Varadkar ,Coveney ,Sturgeon ,VDL and Macron ,all want Johnson gone , that guarantees him a helluva lot of votes.
Report politicspunter January 24, 2022 12:51 PM GMT
You missed out about forty million others.
Report flat16 January 24, 2022 1:00 PM GMT
Johnson is obviously flawed and had me in hysterics ,"we will vaccinate the world by the end of the year" but we know what he is ,some of us also know what Starmer ,Lammy ,Rayner and Thornberry are.
Report politicspunter January 24, 2022 1:08 PM GMT
Winners, by the looks of it.
Report dustybin January 24, 2022 1:25 PM GMT
The Economist has summed it up rather well.
Boris has been found out treating the public with contempt, he has been found lying in each of his positions before and the bluster has turned the 80 seat majority into a virtual hostage taking excercise where back benchers will have the courage to negate his BS and get what they want.
He lost 2 By elections before the literny of lies came to the surface, Brexit is believed to have cost GDP -4%, (and he lied about the fact he wouldnt create a border in the Irish sea) and there are a slew of tax rises imminent when he said there wouldnt be.

He set his stall out for a rule longer than Thatcher recently and it's going south about as quickly as Hitler's 1000 year Reich.
He will be out this year .
Report flat16 January 24, 2022 1:26 PM GMT
A centrist conservative government would be my first choice ,a centrist labour government......survivable but horrendous and the worst result for the country, a horrid coalition ,which to me seems the most likely result .
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 24, 2022 1:26 PM GMT
Odd that 2 years ago johnson would not instigate an
inquiry as to why he sacked a Muslim woman for being
a Muslim woman.

Surely he can just tell us rather than going
through the sue gray routine again.


Voltaire was big on freedom of religion.
Report politicspunter January 24, 2022 1:32 PM GMT
The letterbox guy?
Report flat16 January 24, 2022 1:35 PM GMT
The cabinet is hugely diverse ,the conservative party is hugely diverse ,to student like blindly assume that if someone has been sacked ,it has to be "racist" rips the piss out of naïve.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 24, 2022 1:39 PM GMT
Why are the whips copping the flak
for johnson's cabinet reshuffle?

Just tell the truth



Oh, wait, lol, that's never happening.
Report flat16 January 24, 2022 1:57 PM GMT
Is it half term again ,did it never puzzle you ,why they are called "whips" and are used by both parties to coerce ,bully and enforce ,cop on ,this is the real world , all politicians lie ,BBC is not impartial and there is not a pot of gold at the end of the socialist rainbow.
Report macarony January 24, 2022 2:08 PM GMT
Her faith was not seen as a problem when she got the job
Report politicspunter January 24, 2022 2:13 PM GMT
To the electors, no. To other Conservative MPs....
Report dustybin January 24, 2022 2:15 PM GMT
Its called populism, which needs to remain popular to hold power in parliamentary votes.
But p1ssing off the public treating them with disdain isnt popular.
Ergo hes in trouble
Report lfc1971 January 24, 2022 2:17 PM GMT
“ the arch scoundrel Voltaire has finally kicked the bucket “ - Mozart
Report lfc1971 January 24, 2022 2:24 PM GMT
Do we see how dangerous it is to employ , even for a short time , perhaps to cut your hedge or anything really or just to work with
someone who is not the same race or religion ?
It’s so dangerous and the consequences too far reaching
Under no circumstances should you contemplate it
Report lfc1971 January 24, 2022 2:27 PM GMT
In the modern world a person should not be employed according to their ability
but according to their race and their religion
Report SontaranStratagem January 24, 2022 2:33 PM GMT
Johnson needs his exit door and this will give him his in disgrace exit

But the system won’t arrest a single one of them, it’s set up for immoral criminals, ie bad guys

A bad guy to me is one that doesn’t keep his word, he’ll lie to your face, I understand a killer and they necessarily bad guys in my opinion.

A man that tells you he’s going to do something and doesn’t keep to his word is a piece of sh!t and the governments are full of them
Report SontaranStratagem January 24, 2022 2:33 PM GMT
Aren’t necessarily bad guys *
Report Whisperingdeath January 24, 2022 3:06 PM GMT
The system is set up for the rich and powerful to get away with it. Imagine going to court and saying I implicitly believe I did not break the law!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- January 24, 2022 3:10 PM GMT
Or that I only broke it in a limited and
specific way.
Report Corky January 24, 2022 3:22 PM GMT
The whipper needs to sue her for slander. Let a judge sort it out.
Report flat16 January 24, 2022 3:26 PM GMT
"the meek shall inherit the earth" jeez Matthew was only joking ,why are you trying to defy evolution ,human nature and history ,it is what we are.
Report macarony January 24, 2022 3:59 PM GMT
Are do you know that they are not all Friday Rs sniffers?
Report Whisperingdeath January 24, 2022 5:00 PM GMT
Blessed are the Greek

….. ( and ItaliansWink )
Report LoyalHoncho January 25, 2022 1:53 AM GMT
the fact that you are even counting the number of ethnic MP's in the UK makes you stand out as a racist lfc1971.
I am sure you are absolutely delighted to receive that sobriquet.
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 9:36 AM GMT
There was an unfortunate story on the news this morning about an Asian guy who lost his mother because the emergency ambulance took an hour to reach them.
I hear people say about anti immigration sentiment that they need to think about all the doctors and nurses employed through immigration, it is true.
But it’s a tiny fraction of the far far greater number who arn’t nurses and expect an ambulance to arrive inside 20mins.
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2022 9:40 AM GMT
well, that's certainly a "take"
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 10:19 AM GMT
Loyalhoncho I think you will find the vast majority of these ethnic minority MPs in Westminster live in England
No preaching from Scotland , cheers
Report lapsy pa January 25, 2022 10:24 AM GMT
You seem a bit racist against the Scots and Irish(not the proddie ones) to be fair Lfc.
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 10:30 AM GMT
Maybe that’s projection on your part lp  you know from the Scots and Irish towards the English
Just saying
Report lapsy pa January 25, 2022 10:34 AM GMT
Lol no twisting that around now lfc,you have some beauts on many threads.Which in your opinion is worse A Racist,B Bigot,C they are basically the same.
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 10:34 AM GMT
Any English people in the Irish Parliament lapsy ?
Report lapsy pa January 25, 2022 10:37 AM GMT
Not as far as i know,should there be?
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 10:39 AM GMT
Well it’s like this - don’t start preaching about diversity to England until there is
Report lapsy pa January 25, 2022 10:43 AM GMT
Lot you know Lfc,plenty of diversity in Ireland,many many countries peoples live and work there,they are generally young,very educated and making Ireland prosperous.

That is Irish diversity,you have your own version which your policies made.
Report A_T January 25, 2022 10:52 AM GMT
it’s a tiny fraction of the far far greater number who arn’t nurses and expect an ambulance to arrive inside 20mins.

so it's only ethnic minorites who use the ambulance service and an expect a paramedic within 20 minutes?
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 10:52 AM GMT
I think you have had plenty of time this is a very recent thing in England and Ireland just a few decades . We see many different ethnic minority people in all walks of life and in our parliament , civil service , schools , health service , arts , music , journalism , sport and Westminster and the House of Lords changes in just the last decade let me know when you catch up and we see these in Ireland
Until then no preaching
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2022 10:57 AM GMT

Jan 25, 2022 -- 10:52AM, A_T wrote:


it’s a tiny fraction of the far far greater number who arn’t nurses and expect an ambulance to arrive inside 20mins. so it's only ethnic minorites who use the ambulance service and an expect a paramedic within 20 minutes?


they come here, taking our jobs, expecting the emergency services to come before their loved ones die...

Report lapsy pa January 25, 2022 10:59 AM GMT
Shure didn't Leo Varadker point out the GFA to you when you thought you held all the cards? I don't think he is from downtown Mullingar.

Plenty of non Irish in most of those fields above.
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 11:01 AM GMT
Immigration by definition puts greater strains on a free at point of access health service
That is not and cannot be  offset by non British workers
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 11:06 AM GMT
I think you will find it was Boris and the British people who are doing the eu and south of Ireland a favour lp
Upside down thinking again from the Irish lol
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 11:13 AM GMT
Oh and let me know when we can see all these non Irish ethnic minority people in your parliament and institutions lapsy
That’s best before you start criticising England
Report lapsy pa January 25, 2022 11:15 AM GMT
Maybe, but that is to the detriment of their own people,never intended but a result of incompetency.

I think thanks would be very inappropriate.
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 11:19 AM GMT
When you have a National health service free at point of access and millions of people coming into the south of Ireland
let me know again
Report lapsy pa January 25, 2022 11:21 AM GMT
I'm too busy rubbernecking the car crash on the opposite dual carriageway Lfc,tis bad.
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 11:22 AM GMT
AT/PP

Winter crisis is now all year round crisis, ambulances can’t off load patients to get more patients who need emergency help
Beds are full
There have always been tory governments, you can’t put all the blame on them
The population growth is out of control, it used to be manageable, now it isn’t and perhaps never will be again
What’s the waiting time/standards for an ambulance in Karachi?
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 11:24 AM GMT
Okey doke , stay safe
Report macarony January 25, 2022 11:33 AM GMT
I'm too busy rubbernecking the car crash on the opposite dual carriageway Lfc,tis bad.

I must admit uncontrolled immigration as been a complete nightmare, and self inflicted
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 11:39 AM GMT
I used to respect sir David Attenborough but he’s become a soap.
He used to say the primary factor to global problems was birth rates…now you never hear him mention it (well I haven’t heard him say it)

Until the elephant in the room is addressed everything will continue to 5hit.
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2022 11:44 AM GMT

Jan 25, 2022 -- 11:22AM, dustybin wrote:


AT/PPWinter crisis is now all year round crisis, ambulances can’t off load patients to get more patients who need emergency helpBeds are fullThere have always been tory governments, you can’t put all the blame on themThe population growth is out of control, it used to be manageable, now it isn’t and perhaps never will be againWhat’s the waiting time/standards for an ambulance in Karachi?


But it is all tory governments' fault. It really is that simple. The truth they don't want to advertise is that immigration - from a tax v expenditure point of view - is an absolute boon for this country. Lots of working age people coming in. No money spent on educating them. All working age so very little strain on the NHS. It's basically just tax money in with very little going out.


The "population growth is out of control" is an utter red herring to throw to the racists. If population is growing, it's by far due to people living longer and that's the extra NHS strain too.

Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 11:49 AM GMT
Young people don’t pay for the nhs
That is done by old people ( who were young )working and paying taxes over a lifetime
When you bring people into the country  , young or old who by definition have t paid
That is an additional burden on a free at point of service health system
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 11:54 AM GMT
That’s incorrect
Firstly the figures never account for either the effect on the black market through ghettos that result, nor from money lost from remittances….nor for that matter the balance of payments.
When I did economics 30 odd years ago that used to be a thing, now try finding anyone who will give you the figure, because it’s so bad nobody in power what’s that question asked.
It’s effectively like living in a quasi-Ponzi scheme where the family silver is sold off to keep the economy afloat.
Immigrants retain a distant affiliation with the country of birth, culturally , religiously and emotionally.

The number 1 male baby name in this country is Muhammad, every year it’s the most popular name.
If you can’t see the ramifications of that you arn’t looking hard enough.

How come the NHS only ever deteriorates, even though there has always been tory ideology?
The changing constant is the changing population rates that are no longer manageable, beyond constantly taking the bread out of the future generations mouths
Report lfc1971 January 25, 2022 11:55 AM GMT
Don’t come into this country and after a year or so ( maybe working , no nhs )try and pretend you’ve paid
for the nhs health care system - you haven’t
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 11:58 AM GMT
All those ‘working age people’ coming in don’t leave again (or very very rarely) and grow old, having larger numbers of kids than the indigenous
It’s akin to living on the credit card
Just pass on the problem to the next gen who won’t be able to balance the books either….but don’t ever mention that people are selfish for have too large a brood because it’s the culture and you can’t mention it
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 12:01 PM GMT
For the socialist on here explain why all the Scandinavian template societies that they often cite as examples of how it should be all have strengthening immigration policies?
5 countries, all left wing governments all in the process of breaking up immigrant rights
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2022 12:09 PM GMT
ok, go and find out how life span has changed in this country and then come back with your "oh it's all Mohammed's fault". F7cking racing pr^cks
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 12:11 PM GMT
Racing?
I do like racing yep.

What about Scandinavian socialism?
Not flavour of the imagination anymore?
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2022 12:14 PM GMT
racist

Ha!
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 12:17 PM GMT
Who the Scandinavian model?
Are you even aware what they are doing or has the guardian started talking into their sleeves on that one?
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2022 12:22 PM GMT
I'm talking about the UK. Take your sealioning elsewhere you racist pr!ck
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 12:26 PM GMT
You are painted into a corner
You grow incredulous on prospect that anti immigration is growing all over, and have completely lost the very foundation that you and your ilk used to rely on as a model of how socialism works
Well it evidently doesn’t because those models are the first to clamp down on immigration.
Report PorcupineorPineapple January 25, 2022 12:29 PM GMT
Nah, I've explained and pointed out but you're just stuck in your "Bloody Mohammed" mode so what's the point. You're a racist and that's all there is to it. Nothing's gonna convince you it's not the furrinners' fault.
Report saddo January 25, 2022 12:35 PM GMT
sealioning Laugh, is this another fashionable word for a year or two? Gaslighting and strawmanning are so 2020.
Report dustybin January 25, 2022 12:37 PM GMT
How is it racist to prove the rate of change evidenced by the popularity of the name Mohammed shows that the driving factor of increased population rates are because of immigration?

When the further back in time you go the better the services, and lower the living population numbers.
Report moisok January 25, 2022 3:48 PM GMT
ten million extra  - no strain  ha ha   add a couple million of illegals  no problem - people simply do not want to know  - mention it and you will be out of a job
Report moisok January 25, 2022 3:50 PM GMT
even Macron has complained we are giving them a free ride into the black economy and he is right
Report moisok January 25, 2022 3:53 PM GMT
and then we have these raycyst supermarkets who plan supplys for approximately 80 million population - we cannot have that non narrative stuff
Report moisok January 25, 2022 3:53 PM GMT
or supplies even
Report moisok January 25, 2022 3:57 PM GMT
we have huge problems in Khan's london  and no politician will touch it except to tax us to death!   just looking at the picture of the 'knifeman'  - interesting story.
Report macarony January 25, 2022 4:23 PM GMT
When these younger immigrants come to Britain and they bring their kids or have kids, here who pays for the cost?  its between £2000/6000 for a normal birth £7000 plus for a C section, but if there are any difficulties then in will 10s of thousands, then there is the cost of schooling about £6000 per child per year. Then there is healthcare, cancer it is claimed 1 in 2 people will get cancer in their life time, the cost to the NHS is 10s of thousands of ponds per person. Then there is cost of a immigrant in prison, the cost of housing  etc. Most of these people if they work at all will be on low wages its a money pit and an avoidable drain on the countries finances
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