When our power runs out this Winter

Certainly not brexit

1) Putin
2) Russia
3) EU
4) Putin
5) Germay
6) Marcon
7) France
8) Russia
9) Merkel
10) Germany

Candles and Blitz spirit

Will just be a case of kennybhoy having his supply cut off because he spent his leckie money in the pub.

The list goes on and on of course.

But the Greates of Britain will evenhandedly see off all threats by itself.

are less windy years, gas pipework maintenance, China overpaying to redirect gas supplies and selective restriction of output from Russia really a pro or anti brexit issue yhtl ?

Nobody mentioned brexit brentford.

winnning 1 2 4 8..I think not..would be unwise to cut off the funding of our Tory chums.

I wasn't clear if yhtl had managed to find an angle (and take that in good spirit btw)

Ah, but Kenny me 'ald mucker, they be good Russians.

It won't happen of course but don't let that stop you.

Less wind.... likely the eu have
diverted the wind over their wind farms.

The Dail Mail will start a campaign to
get it back.




Gas pipes, hmmm, the annual
gas pipe repairers holiday camp
in eu saw many locked up by eu.

Attempts to return to blighty
in dingies has been thwarted
as the dingies are in the wrong
places.



Nowt to do with brexit.

The internet should be text only... unless you are a child or completely illiterate.

everyone is short though yhtl, just that govs are stepping in  to cover increased costs in Europe for business at least..


maintenance was a covid related backlog from many independent sources, wind is wind...maybe playing the climate stuff too hard whilst reliant on countries who aren't interested in it ..
Parts of Europe massively reliant on Poots gas...gets to control price...that's proper madness...

If they decide to start conflict (unlikely) most of Europe brought to it's knees in a month by shutting off gas supplies...

The fact our storage capacity is next to zero may be a factor.

Kenny the Bojo Fantasist he cannot help himself ..  KENNY 4 BOJO

case are you aware that your PM has a personal trainer on 80k a year!!...must be feeding Bozo pies.

The problem is though, brentford, the EU will get its gas, and the UK is at the wrong end and the wrong 'side' of proceedings. And be under no illusion, the UK is a big consumer of Russian gas.

Looking at that Picture Kenny he is being robbed

Double whammy. Complete non-diplomacy with Russia since Putin took power, and relationships are heading that way with Europe.

What if these issues go on and on, getting worse and worse ?

A power outage might not just be for Christmas

What ever happened to our splendid North Sea Gas?

we aren't though actually wt, we are much less dependent on Russia than many but obviously we do suffer the fallout if everyone is after new suppliers in a lean year for the reasons outlined and Poots gets to control the market in a moment like this ...double bubble for him..strain inter european alliances and carve up the gas market at will for another few billion in the accounts

Correction: Anti-diplomacy with Russia, and now starting non-diplomacy with the Europe.

The one thing the UK did brilliantly was diplomacy, especially during their imperial reign. They understood the fragility of their position in certain parts of the world, and had a diplomatic core that countries today uphold and strive towards. But since the 2000 and the Declaration of War on Islam, the UK has followed the US Thug diplomacy and hasn't looked back. Neither will the rest of the world. 

--Just seen your post.

'Putin' would be heralded as 'Master of the Free Markets' if he was on Wall Street.

The frenchies have loadsa nuclear energy..cheap as chips.

go long generators, gas fires and onesies then

Russia has never atempted any funny business with gas supplies to europe as far as i kmow

they once did with ukraine, i think was over unpaid debts

Too true clouded leopard. I have a self-sweeping coal powered generator and several tonnes of trad coal and petroleum coke. Not forgetting commercial canisters of gas and several thousand liters of kerosene. Candles too

When they lights go out, I'll still be owning all you mugs on here

personal trainer on 80k a year
worth every penny

It's not technically funny business though is it G in it's current guise...they have stuck to the negotiated deals pre shortage...

essentially they could increase output and head off the big price rises (would still be profiting on that) but they are trying to get commitments currently on future deals supplying Germany and others...why the rush from their point of view ..I gather from the other thread they are making positive noises on oncreasingly supply but again guess who's been 'shrewdly' playing that market as per WT's comment...

*on increasing

Yes G. Putin stated just the other day - "If you want gas, buy it on the St. Petersburg exchange".

Nordsteam absolute hammer-blow for the Brits in particular. Pretty much the only other country to trade gas and (Libyan) oil in their own currency apart from the all powerful Petrodollar. They've just been blown in their own back yard-- Germany and Russia trading carbon energy in Euros!

The ****g state of the UK. China owns the North Sea oil fields and nobody is trading carbon in Pounds anymore.

you said there was "selective restriction of output from Russia "

as far as i am aware they just delivered as normal, and have now actually increasewd supply to push down prices, they ahven't doen anything untoward

last thing Russia wants is to scare away customers into the arms of the US

if you are able to supply more and choose not to for political reasons that's selective output no ?

Russia just wants to sell its gas, have sanctions liftend and have sovereiognty over Crimea recognised, they're not trtying to take over the world

winningthought14 Oct 21 23:39Joined: 25 Oct 01 | Topic/replies: 24,448 | Blogger: winningthought's blog
Too true clouded leopard. I have a self-sweeping coal powered generator and several tonnes of trad coal and petroleum coke. Not forgetting commercial canisters of gas and several thousand liters of kerosene. Candles too

When they lights go out, I'll still be owning all you mugs on here Love




That's impressive

Where did you say you were living these days WT ?

Just postcode might do

why on earth would you choose to increase suplly and push down prices if you didn't have to?

what shop owner would do that?

who would buy more stock to push down the price he could charge?

In all seriousness though

People should be thinking like this

The many laughed their socks off at preppers a decade plus ago

I'm sure it does want sanctions lifted ...they were applied for a reason but 'stiff letter' western politics has rather revealed it's own weaknesses here...as I said large aggressions are highly unlikely but the fundamental flaw in such a taught relationship is very obvious..

as for pushing us in to the hands of US companies..why is that output not increasing if you're suggesting they could undercut Russia currently ?

Just postcode might do

Controversial. Everybody around here is pro-post code apart from the posties.

presumably price gouging wouldn't sit well with most future customers...unless of course it turns out they are inconveniently reliant on that store..

i'm not sure about the specifics but Russian gas may be cheaper and there is no problem with teh supply, it is increasing

also i think the US wants to sell Europe LNG which needs special facilities

US is never going to eb able to sell gas cheaper tahn Russia, not unless they build a pipeline under the atlantic

eircodes are quite handy i find

only need to get the Indian on the phone to understand 3 letters instead of 30

the west has been very aggressive towards Russia, not vice versa

Who's doing the 'price gauging'? The gas is there but for the Anglos both side of the pond, Betty included, Russian resources and German ingenuity is the disaster they've been trying to avoid for centuries. So now you know where the 'price guaging' is coming from: a refusal to buy Russian gas by the British and European elite.

the west has been very aggressive towards Russia, not vice versa

interesting angle

wt - this is a unique situation in supply, there's not reluctance to buy Russian gas, there's a reluctance to tie in to long term contracts at a time when relations are as fraught as they've been since the cold war..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10076755/California-law-eventually-ban-gas-powered-lawn-equipment.html



Great news

stop treating the russians like an enemey and maybe they will stop behaving like one

fraught as they've been since the cold war

It all comes back to Diplomacy.

How one goes from being the best in the world to the worst in the world...

Lots of losing coming our way if this continues.

Russia and the west don't even have competing interests, the whole "conflict" is mad

a lot of european companies ahve invested heavily in Russia too

you may well be right WT..

Lots of losing coming our way if this continues.


Coming our way regardless


Paradigm shift

relations were great at the time of Poots coming to office and in his early days there appeared to be every chance of a true east to west power alliance that would have been incredibly valuable economically and in terms of world stability but bit by bit that declined and whilst there's blame to go around maybe look at the stranglehold of personal power he's managed to create and ask where the greater blame lies...

yes because Yeltsin was a western stooge and Russia was broke, its militray poed no threat

what has Putin done since he took over to threaten the west?

under Putin the economy recovered and Russia started spending money on its militray again

he hasn't really created a new country to be proud of though has he...no true elections, drug cheats to a point of exclusion at the olympics, proved or otherwise high suspicion of murdering opponents and free journalism..would be much wealthier country by now than it is in all likelihood...

perhaps but none of that is directed at the west

relations were great at the time of Poots coming to office and in his early days

Sure! The fall of Soviet Russia was the most brilliant 'managed collapse' in History. At the fall, Yeltsin was installed by the West, or so the West believed. They wrote the Russian constitution, one that was of course dictatorial in nature so as they control Russia at a single point. The West went in with the whole neo-liberalisation policy we all know and love, and carved up the country and put it into private hands. They thought Yeltsin was their guy - and he was - but he was only the buffer zone, the time buyer, the man who had to take the fall while the Russian Patriots let the West have their victory and they moved their pieces into place. Now they are 10 times stronger then they ever were.

http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html
.

Yeltsin would never have been reelected without US help

the communist candidate was miles ahead in the polls

US helped his campaign, also announced a new credit line to russia during the campaign

The Yanks put "The Secret Story of how the American Advisors Helped Yeltsin Win" on the front cover of Time Magazine.

Just think about that for a while

Shift in politics in eastern europe was as much about the people wanting it, see Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine etc

western dream may rightly be called something of an illusion but I doubt many in those countries or indeed Russia without controlled media and elections would be queuing up for the alternative..

NATO expanding into easter europe and the baltic states was always going to piss off Russia

It was a controlled collapse brentford. They knew their system had failed. The writing is on the wall for the 'Western' system now. Are they brave enough to say its failed, or are they going to take down as many people as possible with them?

America has chances, European countries have much better chances, but unfortunately, the UK has put themselves into such a corner the only enemy they can defeat is their own people.

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1447408166657003522?s=20

Given Scottish's virtue signalling energy policy is so reliant on wind now it now, to keep the lights on, absolutely depends on England funneling power to it on days when the wind isn't suitable .. it really would be quite bizarrely stupid and pointing the shotgun at your own foot, for a Scottish nationalist to take a pot shot at Tory energy policy which while not perfect is not nearly so moronic and depedendent on outside forces.

But step forward once again our Kenny.

What about our massive gas and oil reserves in the North Sea cries our kennybhoy.
Er em lets not talk about that just now says Sturgeon.
The Greens against. Er em lets not talk about that just now says Sturgeon.

A coalition of chaos.

America has chances ?

The most divided nation on this planet , and not set to improve anytime soon .

I'm sure Kenny can afford to put one bar on his Calor gas ...surely

Even the most gullible climate change suckers must be thinking this nonsense has gone far enough.

We're the laughing stock of the world.

If ever we needed proof of how stupid some people are this is it.

What is disturbing is the way the genuinely far left scumbags are hijacking the perfectly reasonable idea of an envirionmentalist movement, as a vehicle for their own extremist ends. The Green parties in the UK are packed with Marxists. And next time there is a kids "climate change" rally, watch out for the huge amount of Socialist Worker banners handed out with things like "System Change not Climate Change" demanding a socialist "Revolution" on them. I presume other literature is given as well.
E.g. this. Sickening attempts to brainwash kids.
https://www.alamy.com/london-uk-15th-mar-2019-thousands-of-student-and-children-on-london-climate-strike-in-solidarity-with-fridaysforfuture-at-parliament-square-on-15-march-2019-london-uk-credit-picture-capitalalamy-live-news-image240870860.html
or this
https://s.abcnews.com/images/Lifestyle/WireAP_28a12610da404f6fa20409a9d98f33dd_16x9_992.jpg

We have the benefit of a fusion reactor that emits enough power in forty minutes to fuel the planet for a year . Just need to collect and store it .

all fusion reactors built so far output less electricity than the amount of electricty inputted

say you have a diesel generator

you need £1 of diesel to generate 80 pence of electricity

this is where fusion energy is at

The sun is a fusion reactor

If this was chit chat of old, by now some lunatic (and regulars can guess a likely candidate) would have said Tesla had invented an infinite power system with free power for all, but THEY, the SECRET CONSPIRACY ILLUMINATI were suppressing the TRUTH. Ahh mad people .

i'm a bit slow eyeball please cut me some slack i'm in my 90s

You mean you were born in the 90's.

i'm a war veteran mate please show some respect thank you

Show us your medals comrade.

i'll take a photo and send them to you via PM

need to get my iphone fixed first can you lend me a 50 euros

Don't do euros only proper money.

my paypal can accept sterling and us dollars

if anyone wants to help me get my iphone fixed please send a PM for paypal deatails

EUR, GBP, USD and BTC accepted

will a portrait of Alan Turing do?

will probbaly bring it to one of those Chinese places in Moore Street

i have no problem doing that becuase i am not a racist

is it signed?

do you have any gold jewellery / diamond rings etc.?

I'll ask polly to send you one.

i think i've burned my bridges there

They are all signed by the governor (well not individually).

will do nicely gracias

Oct 16, 2021 -- 9:51PM, Giuseppe wrote:

say you have a diesel generatoryou need £1 of diesel to generate 80 pence of electricitythis is where fusion energy is at

Giuseppe is right to get the temperatures to start a fusion reaction costs more than the result generates at the moment.
Maybe they will solve it one day, but untill then it is fission that works.
Both very dangerous. Wind, hydroelectric and solar panels the best options.
The surplus from these in good times need storing for later.
Not batterys but pump water up high for hydro later.
Surplus used to make hydrogen, stored for later.

with the exchange rate will have a bit left over for some tesco noodles

i think eyeball was talking about the sun and solar panels esox

Italians are big on noodles.