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China is going to dominate the world through its advances in AI and other emerging technologies, and the US has already missed out on a chance to prevent it, the Pentagon’s recently resigned software chief has said.
“We have no competing fighting chance against China in 10 to 20 years.  It is already over in my opinion,” Nicolas Chaillan told the Financial Times in his first interview since his shock resignation last month.
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By:
lfc1971
When: 11 Oct 21 14:25
Won’t happen , there’s no such thing as AI
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 11 Oct 21 15:10
It is already overExcitedLaugh
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 15:14
The West has been too preoccupied by things like racism to notice the Chinese have passed us by, it's going to be a very different future with a very different set of values.
By:
Corky
When: 11 Oct 21 15:37
Chinese laughing their wotsits off. Building a new power station every week while we debate whether to call a trans zhe she or oi you.
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 16:30
Under their road building policy they have influence everywhere including the EU. The Chinese are set to be the new dominant force, The West is in decline we took our eye off the ball got sidetracked along the way. We even willfully relocated key industries to China because we thought it was cheaper, greed and stupidity have got us to where we are today.
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Oct 21 16:58
The Chinese with their economic and monetary dominance only need another ally eg their neighbour Russia, to rule the world as they wish. And, the West including USA can do zilch.

The Chinese are slowly, slowly catchy monkey; Hong Kong; South China Sea; Taiwan (soon). Next could be Africa given their economic and monetary dominance. Most Africa countries would be bankrupt if the Chinese stop buying their raw minerals and commodities.

I believe when the Chinese acquire military and technology/software IP (legally or not) they will rule the world for sure.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:03
"Under their road building policy they have influence everywhere including the EU."

their building your 5G network mate
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:05
Chinese economy is built on sand

most of what they build (houses, tech, militray) is junk compared to Korea, jaoan and the west
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 17:11
You do know that copying IP and reverse engineering is the norm in the East, until they have surpassed the competition. Don't under estimate the Chinese or you could end up looking like a Western politician
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:13
koreans and japanese duidn't build their tech and auto industries on stealing

only disfunctional societies like China, russia, soviet union do that
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 17:20
I take it you have never read the book stealing speed?
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:21
no, what is it about?
By:
peckerdunne
When: 11 Oct 21 17:24
But Boris said in his speech that they were tackling China, so nothing

to worry about.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:26
and at some point china will have to transition to democracy, or get more and more oppressive

that could be very messy
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:27
Russia tried that, lost a decade and basically went back to authoritarianism
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 17:35
Its about two Germans and the Japanese motorbike company Suzuki. Ernst Degner the highly talented motorcycle racer and his boss Walter Kaaden the brilliant WW2 rocket engineer who first to develop the expansion chamber to boost power of the 2stroke engine, he was fiercely loyal to DKW/MZ in Zschopau and to Germany while many of his contemporaries left Germany Like Von Brown to work for the US and Russia he stayed to rebuild a bombed out factory and revolutionise motor sport.  Degner on the other hand had other ideas not wanting to stay in East Germany he stole the plans to MZ's racing bikes and defected to the West midway through the Swedish GP and straight into the open arms of Suzuki.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:41
ok that's an interesting but the japanese had a whole suite of advanced tech: cars, tvs, motorbikes, consumer goods, toys, media etc.

it wasn't an economy that struggled to keep up and resorted to stealing

they overtook Britain, US and Italy in the motorcycle market in the 60s, that wasn't due to espionage, their products were better, cheaper, more reliable

is there anything the Chinese do better than Korea, Japan or the West?
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:43
for a long time there were maybe a dozen areas where Japan was clearly better than the west
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 17:45
the only advantage China has is cost, not quality
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 17:58
I think you need to do some research into how these economies developed after WW2. Back to my point the about Chinese future dominance this is something we will all have to get used to
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:03
lol

are you suggesting the Japanese economic miracle was based on theft of IP?

they had tech the west didn't have, they developed it themselves

Japan has won 25 of the last 26 moto gp / 500cc world championships

when will China start winning?
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:04
45 of the last 46
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:07
By 1969 fully 50% of the US market for motorcycles more than 500 cc belonged to Triumph, but technological advances at Triumph had failed to match those of the foreign companies.

Triumphs lacked electric start mechanisms, relied on push-rods rather than overhead cams, vibrated noticeably, often leaked oil and had antiquated electrical systems; while Japanese marques such as Honda were building more advanced features into attractive new motorcycles that sold for less than their British competitors.

Triumph motorcycles, as a result, were nearly obsolete even when they were new.

Further, Triumph's manufacturing processes were very labour-intensive and largely inefficient.

Also disastrous, during the early 1970s the US government mandated that all motorcycle imports must have their gearshift and brake pedals in the Japanese configuration, which required expensive retooling of all the motorcycles for US sale.

Triumph and BSA were well aware of Honda's ability but while the Japanese were only making smaller engined models, the large engine market was considered safe.

When the first Honda 750 cc four cylinder was released for sale to the public, Triumph and BSA had trouble.

Despite developing and releasing a 3-cylinder 750 cc engined motorcycle prior to the Japanese fours—the BSA Rocket 3/Triumph Trident—the Japanese bikes were praised in the press for their modernity (disc brakes, 4-cylinder engines, leak-free engine casings, etc.).

The British triples outperformed the Japanese fours (top speed, acceleration and handling) but the Japanese fours required less maintenance and they did not leak.

The 1970 Tiger/Bonneville re-design and taller twin front downtube oil tank frame had a mixed reception from Triumph enthusiasts at the time, and was insufficient to win back those already riding the Japanese bikes that had been sold since 1969—the Honda 750 Four, and the Kawasaki 500 Mach 3.

The Triumph 350 cc Bandit received pre-publicity, but its development was quietly brought to an end.

Triumph was still making motorcycles, but they no longer looked like the motorcycles Triumph fans expected.

The Trident attracted its own market, but the Japanese motorcycles were improving more rapidly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Engineering#Post-war_era
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 18:08
Have yo ever read Japans motorcycle wars by Jeff alexander brilliant book about the Japanese after WW2 and right up to the 70s
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:08
the japanese gear was better, cheaper and more reliable than that made in the US and Europe
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:10
their advantage in cost was down to superior production methods / economies of scale, not low wages like China
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:11
might give that book a look
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 18:12
I have done quite a lot of research on the British motorcycle industry and can discuss the reasons behind its demise at length. My research also included the German and Japanese motorcycle industries
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:12
if you watch US movies in the 50s, 60s and 70s the motorcycles are often Triumphs

Triumph was a huge British success story
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:13
the factories weren't as large or modern as those in Japan, the tech wasn't as advanced and they were less reliable and more expensive
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:14
BSA was bascially a cottage industry
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 18:16
i don't know a lot about pre war german bikes

i don't think grand prix motorcycle racing was very common back then so difficult to gauge how they would hae fared v Italian and British bikes
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 18:33
BSA was a large engineering group of well respected companies often varied companies everything from cars to sintered products they were the world leader in the latter. BSA built more motorbikes in the bitter sweet year of 71 than they did in 61. 1971 been the year BSA/Triumph missed the all important but very short US selling season. Sales of BSA/Triumph had gone up by 40% in the US in the mid 60s due mainly to the time and money the Japanese had spent redeeming the image of motorcycles and their riders, from deathtraps ridden by hooligans to you meet the nicest people on a Honda. Eric Turner the then chairman of BSA decided to modernise Smallheath and introduce a range of both 4 stroke and 2 stroke machines and rotary engine bike for  1974/75. In addition to these bikes there would also be an update to the current line up of bikes these would known as the power set. BSA also spent untold millions on the titanium motorcross bike the most advanced bike ever built and the first bike to use disc brakes, they also spent more millions on the Areial 3 50cc trike. and about 10 million on the successful racing program that destroyed the Japanese in the production class racing.
BSA had expected to sell around 40 million pounds worth of bikes in the US in 71 but because of production delays they only sold around 26 million, if you consider that it would have cost BSA 38 million to build the bikes then its not hard to see they now have a big problem.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 22:22
"the titanium motorcross bike the most advanced bike ever built and the first bike to use disc brakes" Confused

what was this called? Italian and Japanese bikes were already using disc brakes in the 60s.

does this mean first disc brakes for a motocross bike? what happened to the bike?

"10 million on the successful racing program that destroyed the Japanese in the production class racing"

what series was this? i don't think there was a world production series or a production class at the TT by this stage
By:
macarony
When: 11 Oct 21 22:32
The production racing class is for modified production bikes that you and I can buy not the one off GP bikes, the production class racing was by far the bigger sport at this time. However old mood eyes beat Argo at Mallory park in 71 on his BSA rocket 3, Argo on his works GP MV 500.
The titanium bike frame did not work so was scrapped the irony was BSA already had the best scrambler and would have won if the big wigs had not got involved. This bike was built in 65 using an American disc brake that did not work very well, later BSA would use a cutdown Triumph Herald disc brake on the Trident/Rocket3 racing bikes with the superior Rob North frame.
By:
Capt__F
When: 11 Oct 21 22:46
used to live near small Heath Bham played on their sports pitches many a time
3 Big Buildings
BSA
Happy days

Demolished nowSad
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 22:51
"the production class racing was by far the bigger sport at this time. "

maybe for clubmen

the prestige categories were grand prix and TT
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 22:54
neither Triumph nor BSA ever won a 500cc world champonship or a TT race
By:
Giuseppe
When: 11 Oct 21 22:59
you think BSA scramblers in the early 70s were better than Suzuki and Maico?

Jeff Smith finished second in 1967 but this was before the Japanese started winning
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