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I wonder why.. nothing to do with discussion on unknown risks medium/long term for a group that doesn't need the jab that would put people off taking it I suppose with the creepy vaccine agenda determined to vaccinate every living creature on earth. Parents are encouraged to make their own decision yet there is no transparency at all

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2452?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage
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The government has refused to release the minutes of the meeting in which its vaccine advisory committee decided not to recommend vaccinating all 12-15 year olds against covid-19.1

The UK Health Security Agency, which replaced Public Health England, rejected a freedom of information request for the document on the grounds that it intended to publish the minutes “in due course.”

The agency argued that it was in the public interest to withhold the information until it could be released in a “simultaneous, coordinated manner” and that disclosing the minutes before they were finalised could “result in a false impression of the contents of the meeting.” The decision is being appealed.

On 3 September the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said that it would not be recommending universal vaccination for 12-15 year olds because although the health benefits of vaccination were “marginally greater than the potential known harms,” the margin of benefit was considered too small. The committee did not explain what factors its conclusion was based on, and neither the minutes nor the data behind the decision have been made public.

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By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 09 Oct 21 15:56
There's loads of unreleased minutes
that will all come out when
the inquiry to the handling
of this whole affair is held.
By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 15:58
Why shouldn't minutes from a medical body regarding a vaccine for children be made available immediately for the public unless they have something to hide?
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 16:16

Oct 9, 2021 -- 9:58AM, wolf3011 wrote:


Why shouldn't minutes from a medical body regarding a vaccine for children be made available immediately for the public unless they have something to hide?


I suggest you read your OP, that may give you a clue.

By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 16:26
There is no good reason for failure to disclose minutes in a medical meeting when at the same time masquerading as being transparent at all times professing to be open to the general public as they repeatedly claim.
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 16:34
The agency argued that it was in the public interest to withhold the information until it could be released in a “simultaneous, coordinated manner” and that disclosing the minutes before they were finalised could “result in a false impression of the contents of the meeting.” The decision is being appealed.
By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 16:37
Why would minutes " need to be finalised" when they are direct quotes of what is said and given the importance of these minutes over 1 month later, we are expected to believe they are still being typed up?

The definition of minutes from any meeting " Minutes, also known as minutes of meeting (abbreviation MoM), protocols or, informally, notes, are the instant written record of a meeting or hearing"... I think the key word is "instant"
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:04

Oct 9, 2021 -- 10:37AM, wolf3011 wrote:


Why would minutes " need to be finalised" when they are direct quotes of what is said and given the importance of these minutes over 1 month later, we are expected to believe they are still being typed up? The definition of minutes from any meeting " Minutes, also known as minutes of meeting (abbreviation MoM), protocols or, informally, notes, are the instant written record of a meeting or hearing"... I think the key word is "instant"


You may well think the key word is instant; which is more someone taking a note of what was being said. But the minutes have to be analysed to see if they were indeed a correct representation of what was said.

By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:07
Or put simply, minutes are not minutes until they are approved.
By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:08
What was said, was said.. it can't be misrepresented when taking direct verbal statements unless of course they decide to alter it.
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:09

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:07AM, Charlie wrote:


Or put simply, minutes are not minutes until they are approved.


Which bit of this don't you understand?

By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:12
Given the crucial nature of the meeting, 5 weeks and counting isn't suspicious is it of publishing minutes when it could be done in less than 24 hours. Just face facts Charlie, you're determined to push the vaccine agenda at any cost even when supporting a political party you openly despise- there is no reason for minutes from a JCVI meeting not to be published after 5 weeks. You're floundering as usual and have only appeared once again to argue night is day due to the vaccine obsession you have and trying to win an online argument which you fail at continually.
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:13

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:12AM, wolf3011 wrote:


Given the crucial nature of the meeting, 5 weeks and counting isn't suspicious is it of publishing minutes when it could be done in less than 24 hours. Just face facts Charlie, you're determined to push the vaccine agenda at any cost even when supporting a political party you openly despise- there is no reason for minutes from a JCVI meeting not to be published after 5 weeks. You're floundering as usual and have only appeared once again to argue night is day due to the vaccine obsession you have and trying to win an online argument which you fail at continually.


Just face facts in that you don't understand what approving minutes means.

By:
clouded leopard
When: 09 Oct 21 17:16
Given the very important nature of this meeting and it's direct impact on the health of Uk citizens how can anyone think there should be a delay of any kind here ?


Again and again we are witness to centralization of information and knowledge instead of helping the populace coming to an 'INFORMED DECISION'


Just wrong


Only a hysterical idiot would argue the other side
By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:17
It doesn't take weeks to publish and approve minutes Charlie- just face facts you're a bored old troll just creating an argument for the hell of it once again
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:18
Because some things are important and take a while to discuss. And sometimes they need to get rid of poeple using capitals for no good reason.
By:
clouded leopard
When: 09 Oct 21 17:18
YEP

correction : Only a hysterical idiot or a troll would argue the other side
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:19

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:17AM, wolf3011 wrote:


It doesn't take weeks to publish and approve minutes Charlie- just face facts you're a bored old troll just creating an argument for the hell of it once again


Hooray our little furry friend I was wondering how long it would take before you resorted to insults. I supposes you think that adds to your stance?

By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:21

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:18AM, clouded leopard wrote:


YEPcorrection : Only a hysterical idiot or a troll would argue the other side


Very well done, unfortunately it adds nothing to your argument apart from making you look foolish.

By:
clouded leopard
When: 09 Oct 21 17:21
So coerce, intimidate, incentivize, threaten, bribe, cajole, force, scare, lie is ok on a daily basis


But on no account actually inform
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:21

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:21AM, clouded leopard wrote:


So coerce, intimidate, incentivize, threaten, bribe, cajole, force, scare, lie is ok on a daily basisBut on no account actually inform


Impressive, sums you up succinctly.

By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:23
Charlie you would appear on a thread arguing night is day if a poster you didn't get on with started the thread. I don't even believe deep down you think it is acceptable the government have delayed publishing vital minutes regarding a vaccine kids are being encouraged to take yet at the same time saying they are being transparent with people.

You offer nothing to the forum, if the thread was started by pp you wouldn't say a thing. I stand by my comments, a bored old troll.
By:
clouded leopard
When: 09 Oct 21 17:24
not bored

bitter lefty
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:25
I stand by my statements: you are always abusive to anyone who doesn't agree with you and you don't know what approval of minutes means.
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:25
That was to our little furry friend.
By:
clouded leopard
When: 09 Oct 21 17:27
What would be a reasonable timeframe to 'approve' such important minutes ?


In a decentralized world they would be immediate

In order to help people make 'immediate' judgement on such a pressing issue as a deadly virus that may kill their 15 year old


walofs
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:28

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:27AM, clouded leopard wrote:


What would be a reasonable timeframe to 'approve' such important minutes ?In a decentralized world they would be immediateIn order to help people make 'immediate' judgement on such a pressing issue as a deadly virus that may kill their 15 year oldwalofs


Perhaps important decisions take a while.

By:
clouded leopard
When: 09 Oct 21 17:30
Perhaps young people will die or spread the deadly disease to elders while their parents wait for absolute clarification on such an important matter
By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:30
You can talk about furry friends all day Charlie, it's embarrassing you are defending a policy not to publish minutes from a health body discussing vaccines for kids just to try to troll yet another thread. The funniest thing about Charlie is half the time he doesn't even believe what he is arguing but argues it anyway if it is a poster he perceives as an adversary. " Perhaps important decisions take a while " to release minutes from a meeting that could be done next day- what can anyone say to that other than laugh at poor charlie.
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:33

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:30AM, wolf3011 wrote:


You can talk about furry friends all day Charlie, it's embarrassing you are defending a policy not to publish minutes from a health body discussing vaccines for kids just to try to troll yet another thread. The funniest thing about Charlie is half the time he doesn't even believe what he is arguing but argues it anyway if it is a poster he perceives as an adversary. " Perhaps important decisions take a while " to release minutes from a meeting that could be done next day- what can anyone say to that other than laugh at poor charlie.


Now you're a mind reader in saying: The funniest thing about Charlie is half the time he doesn't even believe what he is arguing, you could make a living out of that.

Perhaps important decisions take a while " to release minutes from a meeting that could be done next day- what can anyone say to that other than laugh at poor charlie. Perhaps they do our little furry friend.

By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:36
What time would you consider reasonable to release minutes- years or just enough time to make sure the vast majority of kids have been vaccinated?
By:
clouded leopard
When: 09 Oct 21 17:38
Just another dodgy matter to be filed in the massive folder of 'dodgy going ons since the start of this bullshine'

How many pointers do people actually need ?
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:40

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:36AM, wolf3011 wrote:


What time would you consider reasonable to release minutes- years or just enough time to make sure the vast majority of kids have been vaccinated?


Not my decision.

By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:41

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:38AM, clouded leopard wrote:


Just another dodgy matter to be filed in the massive folder of 'dodgy going ons since the start of this bullshine'How many pointers do people actually need ?


What other dodgy decisions are you referring to?

By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:42
Maybe you believe they shouldn't be released at all Charlie and we should just watch some new graphs produced by whitty forecasting a winter of health oblivion. A few lines held up in charts at 5 pm daily by professor Fergusons successor telling us anyone over the age of a foetus is doomed saying " they will keep us updated and we will show you all the data" will be enough for some people.
By:
dave1357
When: 09 Oct 21 17:42
ha ha wolf has never been in a minuted meeting other than with his probation officer/social worker.
By:
wolf3011
When: 09 Oct 21 17:45
Imagine how thick dave must be to think it takes over 5 weeks to publish minutes
By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:45

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:42AM, wolf3011 wrote:


Maybe you believe they shouldn't be released at all Charlie and we should just watch some new graphs produced by whitty forecasting a winter of health oblivion. A few lines held up in charts at 5 pm daily by professor Fergusons successor telling us anyone over the age of a foetus is doomed saying " they will keep us updated and we will show you all the data" will be enough for some people.


You're not very good at this clairvoyance.

By:
Charlie
When: 09 Oct 21 17:46

Oct 9, 2021 -- 11:45AM, wolf3011 wrote:


Imagine how thick dave must be to think it takes over 5 weeks to publish minutes


Another insult, now you're back on form.

By:
dave1357
When: 09 Oct 21 17:48
I did insult him to be fair, but note how he quickly slips into strawman mode.
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