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DancingBraveTheBest
05 Oct 21 15:19
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pointless voting as we know they are bringing them in.  It'll be larger venues first but eventually they will find a reason for them to be mandatory in all aspects of society further down the line. Might start learning to speak Mandarin Chinese.
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Report frog1000 October 5, 2021 3:58 PM BST
Pointless to have them as can still catch and spread C19 with or without a vaccine.
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:01 PM BST
you're less likely to get covid, and hence to spread it, if you are vaccinated
Report DancingBraveTheBest October 5, 2021 4:09 PM BST
But if youve had the so called vaccine then why would you be worried about others in society that have not had it???
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:10 PM BST
My mate and my grandson both double jabbed, both have convid. I'm starting to worry worry about these jabbers. They aren't safe to be around.
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:13 PM BST
vaccination reduces transmission

a stadium with 20,000 vaccinated people is going to see less transmission than a stadium with 20,000 unvaccinated
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:15 PM BST
"But if youve had the so called vaccine then why would you be worried about others in society that have not had it??? "

because protection is not 100% even if vaccinated
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:17 PM BST
"" vaccination reduces transmission ""

  How ??
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:18 PM BST
it makes you less likely to get covid

if you don't have covid you can't spread it
Report DancingBraveTheBest October 5, 2021 4:19 PM BST
So its not a vaccine then???   Its an experimental drug that at the moment i still have a choice not to have it but if these passports are allowed to come in who knows what will happen further down the line and i may be forced into having it just to be part of society.
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:20 PM BST
I could have sworn you were were saying the opposite a couple of weeks ago ??
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:20 PM BST
Jepetto
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:21 PM BST
i'm not a fan of vaccine passports but there is logic behind them
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:21 PM BST
Plain
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:21 PM BST
more pinocchio references Plain
Report DancingBraveTheBest October 5, 2021 4:23 PM BST
Thats what i thought Corky.....Guiessepe changed his/her mind.
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:24 PM BST
as far as i am aware,

stadium 20,000 vaccnated people v stadium 20,000 unvaccinated people

fewer of the 20,000 vacccinated people will have covid

now there is some evidence that a vaccinated person with covid will have the same viral load as an unvaccinated person with covid, but this is a secondary issue, it assumes both have covid in the first place, the vaccinated person is less lkely to

also, little transmission occurs outdoors
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:26 PM BST
no i haven't changed my mind, i don't support vaccine passports and never have

but the argument "you can still get and spread covid if vaccinated" is specious and disingenuous
Report DancingBraveTheBest October 5, 2021 4:27 PM BST
Covid which has a 99.8% chance of surviving and even higher if under 80 with no underlying health conditions. People die...its inevitable and sad but it happens.
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:28 PM BST
"" fewer of the 20,000 vacccinated people will have covid ""
 
  That's not my personal experience. The only people I know with covid at this time are double jabbed.
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:31 PM BST
that is a ridiculous thing to say

vaccines offer no protection against infection?
Report DancingBraveTheBest October 5, 2021 4:32 PM BST
Something sinister is going on and majority just letting it happen. Went to chemist today and they were virtually throwing lateral flow tests at me. I told them I didnt want them. I think its just so they can keep the c19 figures up to keep the panic going to get people who are not vaxxed vaxxed.
Report frog1000 October 5, 2021 4:35 PM BST

Oct 5, 2021 -- 10:24AM, Giuseppe wrote:


as far as i am aware, stadium 20,000 vaccnated people v stadium 20,000 unvaccinated peoplefewer of the 20,000 vacccinated people will have covidnow there is some evidence that a vaccinated person with covid will have the same viral load as an unvaccinated person with covid, but this is a secondary issue, it assumes both have covid in the first place, the vaccinated person is less lkely toalso, little transmission occurs outdoors


Why do you think this?

If people with Covid symptoms stay home it could be argued that the vaccinated stadium will have more people 'with Covid' in it.

Also vaccinated people might be less careful thinking they are 'protected'.

Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:35 PM BST
I reckon politics punter has hacked Jepetto's account.
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:39 PM BST
"If people with Covid symptoms stay home it could be argued that the vaccinated stadium will have more people 'with Covid' in it. "

i don't know how you would calculate this

you would need to know

1. what % of vaccinated people with covid have (mild) symptoms

2. what % of unvaccinated people with covid have (mild) symtpoms

3. are you more likely to spread covid if you have symptoms

4. are you less likely to get covid in the first place if you are vaccinated


all other things being equal, a vaccinated person is less likely to have covid
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:41 PM BST
i think you are arguing

"they may be less likely to ahve covid, but if they do have it they are less likely to have symptoms, so may be less likely to  know they have it"

to be honest most of the people in these stadiums are relatively young and probbaly wouldn't have symptoms regardless of vaccination status
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:43 PM BST
""all other things being equal, a vaccinated person is less likely to have covid""

   Not from my personal experience.
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:43 PM BST
would someone stay away from a stadium if they had a cough or felt a bit poorlyin november?

after you've pad for your ticket?

doesn't everyone have a cough or feel a bit poorly in november?
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:44 PM BST
corky you don;t believe vaccines offer any protection at all?
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:47 PM BST
What puzzles me about my grandson is that he hasn't caught covid in two years of mixing with people who have had it, but he gets it within a couple of weeks of his second jab ?
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2021 4:49 PM BST
it makes you less likely to get covid

''At a lesser rate of 1 in 20.''

That's what an expert on the radio conceded when he was pressed by Julia Hartley Brewer.

He was arguing to vaccinate all kids on the strength of that.
Report Corky October 5, 2021 4:50 PM BST
""corky you don;t believe vaccines offer any protection at all? ""

  I have to believe that it lessens symptoms, otherwise the world is a more crooked place than even I thought. But it doesn't seem to stop people catching it at all.
Report frog1000 October 5, 2021 4:51 PM BST

Oct 5, 2021 -- 10:41AM, Giuseppe wrote:


i think you are arguing "they may be less likely to ahve covid, but if they do have it they are less likely to have symptoms, so may be less likely to

Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:52 PM BST
"at all"
Report frog1000 October 5, 2021 4:52 PM BST

to be honest most of the people in these stadiums are relatively young and probbaly wouldn't have symptoms regardless of vaccination status


If that is the case what is the problem with them spreading Covid to eachother and building up community immunity?
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:52 PM BST
the lowest figures i have seen, even for pfizer after months of waning protection, are a reduction of infection risk by 60%
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:54 PM BST
i have heard "loses half its protection" so that would mean maybe 45% protection

but that is for pfizer, and after 3 months

and even 45% is susbtantial
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2021 4:55 PM BST
60% of what?
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:55 PM BST
frog you are talking about a herd immunity strategy

the government has rejected that

they are operating a policy of trying to keep numbers within certain parameters

within that context, there is logic to vaccine passports
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:56 PM BST
a vaccinated person is 60% less likely to get covid than an unvaccianted person
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2021 4:56 PM BST
Is that complete protection or a lower chance of serious symptoms?
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:58 PM BST
it makes you less likely to get covid

''At a lesser rate of 1 in 20.''

i don't understand what this means

did he say vaccines reduce risk of infection by only 5%?
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 4:59 PM BST
60% is protection from infection

then you have different figures for protection from symptoms, hospitalisaton and death

these numbers (at least the latter two) are much higher than 60%
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2021 5:00 PM BST
Yes, but the vaccine protects against the disease developing into something serious.
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2021 5:02 PM BST
That's why it's hardly worth vaccinating kids in order to stop them spreading it.

They're in more danger from the vaccine than from covid.
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 5:02 PM BST
the vaccines reduce the risk you getting it, not just dying if you get it

they reduce the risk of you getting covid in the first place
Report Giuseppe October 5, 2021 5:03 PM BST
crippen

vaccinated kids are less likely to get covid

the idea of vaccinating them isn't to protect them, it is to stop them getting it and spreading it to adults
Report saddo October 5, 2021 5:03 PM BST
Giuseppe 05 Oct 21 15:24 
as far as i am aware,

stadium 20,000 vaccnated people v stadium 20,000 unvaccinated people

fewer of the 20,000 vacccinated people will have covid

......................................


Where did this comparison trial take place? Or is it someone's guess?
Report dukeofpuke October 5, 2021 7:39 PM BST
28-27 for yes 1 unable to log on to vote no so  a 28-28 vote would be no, democracy at its finest
Report JetLoneStar October 5, 2021 8:49 PM BST
Is it just coincidence then that cases skyrocketed whilst there was quite a large proportion of the population vaxxed

?
Report dukeofpuke October 6, 2021 3:33 AM BST
The protected want to be protected from the unprotected (this sh!t show is that)

the protected who are protected want the unprotected to get protected to protect the protected

Wales nightclub capacity 1500 or lets say cardiff city play derby

it only applies to welsh citizens so a welsh person has to do the sh!t someone from derby doesnt have to this is what i've been told

be a laugh if thats the case
Report Dr Crippen October 6, 2021 10:21 AM BST
Is it just coincidence then that cases skyrocketed whilst there was quite a large proportion of the population vaxxed

I know an awful lot of people who have been quite ill after vaccination.

What made them so ill, and could they pass it on while they were suffering?
Report DancingBraveTheBest November 10, 2021 10:44 AM GMT
They voted again last night in Senedd to bring passports in to smaller venues now....only a matter of time will be pubs, then shops then god knows whatSad
Report shiny new shoes please November 10, 2021 1:25 PM GMT
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Report shiny new shoes please November 10, 2021 1:41 PM GMT
The illusion of choice is strong in some
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Aaron Rodgers and Packers Grin laugh @fine .. Carry on son
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Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 2:37 PM GMT
vaccine passports are really helping to keep the numbers down in ireland

amazed anyone has a problem with them
Report Corky November 10, 2021 2:38 PM GMT
Jepetto on the wind up again.
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 2:39 PM GMT
Following a positive test for COVID-19, Rodgers was placed on the COVID-19 reserve list on November 3, 2021.[360] He will miss at least 10 days per the league's COVID-19 policies for unvaccinated players.[361]

Despite answering "Yeah, I'm immunized" when asked during the preseason if he had been vaccinated against COVID-19, he had not actually received a vaccination.

Instead, he had received homeopathic treatment from his personal doctor.

While unvaccinated, he committed multiple violations of NFL COVID-19 protocols for unvaccinated players, including attending parties with teammates while not using PPE and appearing unmasked at multiple postgame press conferences.[362][363][364]

For his behavior, he earned the nicknames "Kaaron Rodgers'" and "Throw Rogan".[365][366
Report politicspunter November 10, 2021 2:40 PM GMT

Nov 10, 2021 -- 8:38AM, Corky wrote:


Jepetto on the wind up again.


The Betfair forum scammer?

Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 2:52 PM GMT
there's a new Pinocchio film by Gullermo Del Toro on its way

going to be stop motion (clay / puppets basically) and aimed at adults I think

set in 1930s Italy, Pan's Labyrinth was set in Francoist Spain I imagine Italian fascism will feature in this

some of his stuff is quite dark and Pinocchio is going to be a bit of a brat I think
Report Corky November 10, 2021 2:55 PM GMT
Can't wait.
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 2:59 PM GMT
Del Toro is a real leftie but he makes good films
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 3:41 PM GMT
irish weekly death numbers will be released soon, along with the daily case numbers

will cases breach the 4,000 mark?
Report Corky November 10, 2021 3:44 PM GMT
Thought you said vaccines and passports were doing a great job in Ireland. How can there be people with covid ?
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 3:47 PM GMT
imagine how high the numbers would be without them!
Report Corky November 10, 2021 3:48 PM GMT
About the same I expect. Weren't you on about Florida the other day ?
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 3:53 PM GMT
Dr Tone and NPHET are doing a great job keeping us safe and stopping the HSE from collapsing
Report shiny new shoes please November 10, 2021 4:15 PM GMT
The million plus on waiting list don't matter
health id.. Only predicted 2_years ago , still need full compliance
ExcitedLaugh
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 4:19 PM GMT
UK today: 39,000 cases and 214 deaths
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 4:20 PM GMT
cases up from yesterday but deaths are quite flat, very similar figure to last Wednesday (217)
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 4:21 PM GMT
Ireland 3,968 cases, equivalent of 53,000 in UK
Report shiny new shoes please November 10, 2021 4:22 PM GMT
Bernardo Silva has been ruled out of Portugal's World Cup qualifier against the Republic of Ireland due to injury.Sad
Report Giuseppe November 10, 2021 4:23 PM GMT
weekly death figure: 74

thats higher than last week (66) but still lower than UK

10 a day is equal to about 130 a day in UK

deaths should rise in teh coming weeks though, there is a lag between a rise in cases and a rise in deaths
Report shiny new shoes please November 10, 2021 4:24 PM GMT
deaths flat for over  12-16 months CrazyWink after they stopped putting sick into care homes
show me your papers
Report shiny new shoes please November 10, 2021 4:25 PM GMT
Better times


The Smashing Pumpkins - 1979
Report shiny new shoes please November 10, 2021 4:41 PM GMT
Seen it all before Confused


Queen - Princes Of The Universe Grin
Report dukeofpuke November 10, 2021 4:45 PM GMT
Both my bothers in their 50's have/had covid still got loss of taste smell both felt quite bad both double jabbed i'm not i'm nearly 60 both are careful with contact going out i go out to the pub most days various ones and music venues again various the last one very warm hardly no ventilation probably know about 200 people i mix with, very strange none of us have had covid well maybe some say they have but not recently quite a few sniffles colds going around though a friend of mine thought she had covid was treated as if she had turned its the RV virus she also has a friend and she has had covid about the same time as her RV and they do hang around together again very strange they were both in the same venue recently alongwith me and about 100 others very strange
Report eyeball November 10, 2021 5:18 PM GMT
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
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Supercomputer for met eireann .. 4trillion calc.per second ..
Helping the climate change Apocalypse
Assisting emergency services ExcitedLaugh



November 10, 2021 4:45 PM GMT
maybe just didn't know Whoops and brushing it off like any healthy person

Mr. Blue Sky
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