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DancingBraveTheBest
05 Oct 21 15:19
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pointless voting as we know they are bringing them in.  It'll be larger venues first but eventually they will find a reason for them to be mandatory in all aspects of society further down the line. Might start learning to speak Mandarin Chinese.

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By:
frog1000
When: 05 Oct 21 15:58
Pointless to have them as can still catch and spread C19 with or without a vaccine.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:01
you're less likely to get covid, and hence to spread it, if you are vaccinated
By:
DancingBraveTheBest
When: 05 Oct 21 16:09
But if youve had the so called vaccine then why would you be worried about others in society that have not had it???
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:10
My mate and my grandson both double jabbed, both have convid. I'm starting to worry worry about these jabbers. They aren't safe to be around.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:13
vaccination reduces transmission

a stadium with 20,000 vaccinated people is going to see less transmission than a stadium with 20,000 unvaccinated
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:15
"But if youve had the so called vaccine then why would you be worried about others in society that have not had it??? "

because protection is not 100% even if vaccinated
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:17
"" vaccination reduces transmission ""

  How ??
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:18
it makes you less likely to get covid

if you don't have covid you can't spread it
By:
DancingBraveTheBest
When: 05 Oct 21 16:19
So its not a vaccine then???   Its an experimental drug that at the moment i still have a choice not to have it but if these passports are allowed to come in who knows what will happen further down the line and i may be forced into having it just to be part of society.
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:20
I could have sworn you were were saying the opposite a couple of weeks ago ??
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:20
Jepetto
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:21
i'm not a fan of vaccine passports but there is logic behind them
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:21
Plain
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:21
more pinocchio references Plain
By:
DancingBraveTheBest
When: 05 Oct 21 16:23
Thats what i thought Corky.....Guiessepe changed his/her mind.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:24
as far as i am aware,

stadium 20,000 vaccnated people v stadium 20,000 unvaccinated people

fewer of the 20,000 vacccinated people will have covid

now there is some evidence that a vaccinated person with covid will have the same viral load as an unvaccinated person with covid, but this is a secondary issue, it assumes both have covid in the first place, the vaccinated person is less lkely to

also, little transmission occurs outdoors
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:26
no i haven't changed my mind, i don't support vaccine passports and never have

but the argument "you can still get and spread covid if vaccinated" is specious and disingenuous
By:
DancingBraveTheBest
When: 05 Oct 21 16:27
Covid which has a 99.8% chance of surviving and even higher if under 80 with no underlying health conditions. People die...its inevitable and sad but it happens.
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:28
"" fewer of the 20,000 vacccinated people will have covid ""
 
  That's not my personal experience. The only people I know with covid at this time are double jabbed.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:31
that is a ridiculous thing to say

vaccines offer no protection against infection?
By:
DancingBraveTheBest
When: 05 Oct 21 16:32
Something sinister is going on and majority just letting it happen. Went to chemist today and they were virtually throwing lateral flow tests at me. I told them I didnt want them. I think its just so they can keep the c19 figures up to keep the panic going to get people who are not vaxxed vaxxed.
By:
frog1000
When: 05 Oct 21 16:35

Oct 5, 2021 -- 4:24PM, Giuseppe wrote:


as far as i am aware, stadium 20,000 vaccnated people v stadium 20,000 unvaccinated peoplefewer of the 20,000 vacccinated people will have covidnow there is some evidence that a vaccinated person with covid will have the same viral load as an unvaccinated person with covid, but this is a secondary issue, it assumes both have covid in the first place, the vaccinated person is less lkely toalso, little transmission occurs outdoors


Why do you think this?

If people with Covid symptoms stay home it could be argued that the vaccinated stadium will have more people 'with Covid' in it.

Also vaccinated people might be less careful thinking they are 'protected'.

By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:35
I reckon politics punter has hacked Jepetto's account.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:39
"If people with Covid symptoms stay home it could be argued that the vaccinated stadium will have more people 'with Covid' in it. "

i don't know how you would calculate this

you would need to know

1. what % of vaccinated people with covid have (mild) symptoms

2. what % of unvaccinated people with covid have (mild) symtpoms

3. are you more likely to spread covid if you have symptoms

4. are you less likely to get covid in the first place if you are vaccinated


all other things being equal, a vaccinated person is less likely to have covid
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:41
i think you are arguing

"they may be less likely to ahve covid, but if they do have it they are less likely to have symptoms, so may be less likely to  know they have it"

to be honest most of the people in these stadiums are relatively young and probbaly wouldn't have symptoms regardless of vaccination status
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:43
""all other things being equal, a vaccinated person is less likely to have covid""

   Not from my personal experience.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:43
would someone stay away from a stadium if they had a cough or felt a bit poorlyin november?

after you've pad for your ticket?

doesn't everyone have a cough or feel a bit poorly in november?
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:44
corky you don;t believe vaccines offer any protection at all?
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:47
What puzzles me about my grandson is that he hasn't caught covid in two years of mixing with people who have had it, but he gets it within a couple of weeks of his second jab ?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 05 Oct 21 16:49
it makes you less likely to get covid

''At a lesser rate of 1 in 20.''

That's what an expert on the radio conceded when he was pressed by Julia Hartley Brewer.

He was arguing to vaccinate all kids on the strength of that.
By:
Corky
When: 05 Oct 21 16:50
""corky you don;t believe vaccines offer any protection at all? ""

  I have to believe that it lessens symptoms, otherwise the world is a more crooked place than even I thought. But it doesn't seem to stop people catching it at all.
By:
frog1000
When: 05 Oct 21 16:51

Oct 5, 2021 -- 4:41PM, Giuseppe wrote:


i think you are arguing "they may be less likely to ahve covid, but if they do have it they are less likely to have symptoms, so may be less likely to

By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:52
"at all"
By:
frog1000
When: 05 Oct 21 16:52

to be honest most of the people in these stadiums are relatively young and probbaly wouldn't have symptoms regardless of vaccination status


If that is the case what is the problem with them spreading Covid to eachother and building up community immunity?
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:52
the lowest figures i have seen, even for pfizer after months of waning protection, are a reduction of infection risk by 60%
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:54
i have heard "loses half its protection" so that would mean maybe 45% protection

but that is for pfizer, and after 3 months

and even 45% is susbtantial
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 05 Oct 21 16:55
60% of what?
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:55
frog you are talking about a herd immunity strategy

the government has rejected that

they are operating a policy of trying to keep numbers within certain parameters

within that context, there is logic to vaccine passports
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 16:56
a vaccinated person is 60% less likely to get covid than an unvaccianted person
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