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Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4]

The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism, fascism is placed on the far right-wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

there are quite a few followers of this ideology on the betfair politics forum

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By:
akabula
When: 05 Oct 21 01:30
You will no doubt sniff them all out Guiseppe, you have a nose for it. Keep up the good work.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 01:30
don't push it mate
By:
Giuseppe
When: 05 Oct 21 01:31
who will look after the Rangers thread when you're banned?
By:
irishone
When: 05 Oct 21 05:44
Fascism
Alive and well
Breeding in the dung pit of the betfair forum
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 05 Oct 21 10:24
Strangely, fascism is referred to as far right, yet most if their practices are in tune with the far left.

The main difference in definition is public ownership. Communists believe everything should be owned and run by the state, while fascists believed everything should be run by private enterprise in the grip of the state.

Most of the rest is common ground in the form of totalitarianism.
Both codes are racist.

Some religions share similar characteristics to the above.
By:
A_T
When: 05 Oct 21 10:26
Communists believe everything should be owned and run by the state, while fascists believed everything should be run by private enterprise in the grip of the state.

which are you Crippen?
By:
A_T
When: 05 Oct 21 10:26
Communists believe everything should be owned and run by the state, while fascists believed everything should be run by private enterprise in the grip of the state.

which are you Crippen?
By:
saddo
When: 05 Oct 21 10:36
Having seen Russia, China and North Korea I could never be a communist. You'd have to be a lunatic to wish that on people.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 05 Oct 21 10:38
And the troll appears with his predictable question.

Lay your cards on the table first troll, and then I'll show mine
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Oct 21 11:00
Why do fascists try to pass stuff off
as being the other lot.

For sure some folk hide in whatever
party they think gives them
best chance of power.

Evil folk are evil whatever
badge they choose.

If you are a fascist and live
in a state where fascism is
frowned upon, best join the
other side, until you get near
the top, then you can enact your
fascist policies.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 05 Oct 21 11:07
C'mon A-T, don't run away, it's your question.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Oct 21 11:10
Sunak said it was immoral for government’s to borrow yesterday. 73% of all government borrowing since WW2 has been by the Tories. Does that mean they’ve always been immoral? Or was he just talking utter nonsense? He needs to come clean. Morality demands it

https://t.co/WdcVEQxLgZ


But people look at the name
and judge the books by the cover.
By:
A_T
When: 05 Oct 21 11:18
these are your definitions Crippen - nothing to do with me. so which are you?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 05 Oct 21 11:23
C'mon A_T, what are afraid of?

Are you a communist or a fascist?
By:
1st time poster
When: 05 Oct 21 12:37
so levelling up is either massive tax rises or it,s immoral
By:
irishone
When: 08 Oct 21 10:39
Most of the rest is common ground in the form of totalitarianism.
Both codes are racist.

So the betfair forum's lazio supporter who narauda the forun making hostile threats about wgat you cab and cant say is a fascist ?  Won tgat bet !
By:
irishone
When: 08 Oct 21 10:40
....and it appears spell check even works for them !!!!
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 08 Oct 21 11:25
Have you lot even heard of Godwin's Law
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 09 Oct 21 13:27
these are your definitions Crippen - nothing to do with me. so which are you?

I'd better put the record straight.

Neither is the answer, because I believe in small government with minimal interference to its citizens' freedoms. So both are impossible for me.

But a socialist could go either way.
By:
Foinavon
When: 09 Oct 21 20:36
Jawohl Cardinal Scott
By:
akabula
When: 09 Oct 21 23:18
Cardinal Scott
Have you lot even heard of Godwin's Law

Yes. Utter drivel when you think it through.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Oct 21 11:22
I'd better put the record straight.

A_T, asked the question and I answered.

Now it's his turn to answer his own question.

''which are you Crippen?''

A_T are you a communist or a fascist?
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 18 Jan 22 17:12
This group of heroes put their life on the line in standing up to fascism, including a very famous englishman, who is the tallest man in the shot.

By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:16
Orwell in Spain?
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 18 Jan 22 17:23
Yes Guissepe


Anti-fascist Marina Ginestà made it through to 2014




By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:25
there were good and bad people on both sides in that war

the nationalists were not all fascists, they were motibated by a fear of a communits revolution
By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:27
In April, Orwell returned to Barcelona.[83]

Wanting to be sent to the Madrid front, which meant he "must join the International Column", he approached a Communist friend attached to the Spanish Medical Aid and explained his case.

"Although he did not think much of the Communists, Orwell was still ready to treat them as friends and allies.

That would soon change."[84] This was the time of the Barcelona May Days and Orwell was caught up in the factional fighting.

He spent much of the time on a roof, with a stack of novels, but encountered Jon Kimche from his Hampstead days during the stay.

The subsequent campaign of lies and distortion carried out by the Communist press,[85] in which the POUM was accused of collaborating with the fascists, had a dramatic effect on Orwell.

Instead of joining the International Brigades as he had intended, he decided to return to the Aragon Front.

Once the May fighting was over, he was approached by a Communist friend who asked if he still intended transferring to the International Brigades.

Orwell expressed surprise that they should still want him, because according to the Communist press he was a fascist.[86]

"No one who was in Barcelona then, or for months later, will forget the horrible atmosphere produced by fear, suspicion, hatred, censored newspapers, crammed jails, enormous food queues and prowling gangs of armed men."[87]
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 18 Jan 22 17:28
"the nationalists were not all fascists" I'll concede that

And the republicans were not all communists... or even socialists.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell#Spanish_Civil_War
By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:29
Stalin was pulling the strings by the end mate, no doubt about that
By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:31
the left attempted a coup in 1936

do you know about that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Revolution_of_1936
By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:32
sorry my mistake i meant 1934

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_1934

though 36 was a revolution as well
By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:33
the left attempted to overthrow the elected government in 1934
By:
Giuseppe
When: 18 Jan 22 17:33
this was only 17 years after the russian revolution, many people were worried something similar would happen in Spain
By:
cryoftruth
When: 18 Jan 22 19:49

Have you lot even heard of Godwin's Law


Oh yes Godwin’s law is often used by extreme right wingers as a hopeless attempt to divert quite correct criticism that their views would have fitted in well in nazi Germany.

A foolish law as most decent people are rightfully cautious about that dreadful mixture of white supremacy and extreme right wing politics re-emerging and pointing out fascistic views is therefore dead sensible.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 18 Jan 22 20:19

Jan 18, 2022 -- 2:00PM, macarony wrote:


Fascism is the way forward there would be no woke carry on under Fascism


Given your forum history I can believe you mean it.

By:
timbuctooth
When: 18 Jan 22 20:30
In an amazing example of evil in action, lefties have managed to convince the world that the Nazis were right wing, that two of mankind`s blackest stains were carried out by right-wingers. UNTRUE!!! Don`t believe me? Of course you don`t, you`ve been taken in by The Big Lie! So, let`s look at the evidence, shall we? When reading this evidence, open minds would be preferable...

Hitler`s Nazi party had a 25-point manifesto; most of it is fairly generic, but here are the relevant clauses;


4 Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

Our first nod to anti-semitism, a recurring theme with lefties

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6 The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen. We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favour of the party without regard to character and fitness.

Another favourite of lefties, State control, aka Socialism/Communism



7 We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
9 All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

More examples of State control, aka Socialism/Communism


10 The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12 Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14 We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18 We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.


All pure anti-Capitalism, aka Socialism/Communism

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20 In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning.

Oh, this one`s a humdinger! Full State Control of all cultural pursuits, and full-on `Love The State` brainwashing in schools! AKA Socialism/Communism


21 The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by prohibiting juvenile labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics

Nationalised health and workforce, aka Socialism/Communism



23 We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

Another leftie beauty, with full State Control of all media, aka no free speech, also aka Socialism/Communism


24 We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

More anti-semitism! Religion`s ok, but only if it agrees with us'. The best bit, though, is the `COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD`, which is the very slogan of leftieism!!! Also, the capitals are THEIR`S, not mine, underlining how leftieism really was at the very heart of their beliefs. Let`s not forget of course that `Nazi` is an abbreviation of `National SOCIALIST`, something lefties have managed to gloss over as part of The Big Lie


25 In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

And closing out with more Socialist/Commie ideals



As we can see, the Nazis were pure lefties, and pulling off this half of The Big Lie is perhaps leftieism`s finest achievement. It`s NOT true, yet it goes unchallenged every day.
The other half of `The Big Lie? Well, that`s how lefties have convinced the world that both Slavery and the KKK were right-wing things; also NOT TRUE but that`s tomorrow`s lesson. Or you could check it out for yourself, discover the real truth.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 18 Jan 22 20:37
lefties have managed to convince the world that the Nazis were right wing,

Oh yes indeed.

“Lefties” like Winston Churchill.

Impossible to believe anyone can state such obviously incorrect and utterly foolish drivel.

Then you just think back at all the worshipping Trump bilge the clown posted and you realise that anything is actually possible from some.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 18 Jan 22 20:41

Fascism is the way forward there would be no woke carry on under Fascism


Of course some would really support fascism. They still look back fondly at the nazi party and their hatred of non white and Jewish people. They certainly would not have had a problem following Hitler.

And the above clear statement rather proves the normal definition of the word “woke” which is of course a word used by thwarted bigots to describe anyone not sharing their odious and disgusting prejudiced views.
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