HGV Shortage of drivers..........

It can't be done,and it won't be resolved.

well I wouldn't disagree in aspects yhtl especially where somewhat unique emergencies occur but if you just effectively disown the democratic voters wishes by backdooring policies that totally undermine the break at every oportunity...a) - you don't honour the referendum and b) you never get to find out the true result of the economic/political debate to begin with.

We have to make it work.

There's a massive problem with
Northern Ireland, but thats
a government diplomacy issue
beyond what the public can fix.

You have a good manner Brentford,Jolly is right too, it is in part due to covid just now but the brexit being delivered is one that is short of lorry drivers,food processing,care workers,agricultural workers,hosptality workers,fookin ell. The answer a couple of years ago was The British will do it,they won't,not for £8-10 ph in a lot of cases. They aren't altogether wrong either,it is hard work,but who is expected to do it?

It is going to crumble downwards and no amount of bolloxology about Europe have drive shortages is going to justify it.
Morally i agree with you Brentford but....

Brentford

The back doors have to be temporary
to ensure brexit works.

Government need to be far more
proactive and be honest with
public.

Even the racist papers are calling
for more immigration

People, the horse bolted some time ago.

This is not something you must fix.

It's a broken system now and will be for many years.

Patchwork quilt,a leaky bucket, a two foot ladder.

It's going to get much worse folks.

How people can't see that is mind blowing.

of course we could just have another referendum...

the original one was based more around philosophy than anything else as neither side of the ref' debate knew what Brexit would actually look like...

maybe we should have had a referendum on the deal that was made and a 3 option paper...

Yes Pa, Brentford is far more eloquent than us pair
of gombeens but Boloxoligy it is,sham. Lol

I'm grand PD in reply to your good wishes on another thread,some langer alright tho, In  the space of a month it hasgone so pete tong,you are bang on,not going to be any better for the foreseeable.Planned to fail almost, it galled them to give lip service visas out today,they have never been fit for purposeas the last few years have shown,kill the country once we are in Westminster, really?

Come on Brentford, some folk knew.

If you take the jokers from the pack, well what's left.

Can't see another referendum
as tories would get slaughtered for it.


Just have to see the problems and fix em.

When I first headed for England some 40yrs ago I felt free,I had left all that old sh it behind and had arrived in the land of milk and honey.

You would have to be pure thick not to make a fairly decent life and with good folk too.

I wouldn't feel the same now or advice my young
Nephews to do the same,sadly.

I did put a mischief face yhtl

more importantly pecker are you cleaning up in the IPL ...not a strong  point for me !

I saw that Brentford.

The face not your ipl record

yhtl

Yes PD, not too different myself, hard work, years with a pneumatic gun myself,6/7 day weeks,i partied too without an ounce of cop on and hadn't the slightest bad word against any English person(except the WPC who dragged me into Snowhill police station cos she thought i was an IRA terrorist but i just didn't pay poll tax), i still don't have a bad word except that shower of charalatans in government care more for the party than the people and that is a disgrace.

so will madely on gmb tomorrow blame panic buyers for people with caner,kids,old peopl missing hospital appointments, people not been able to get to work,like they did with 25 protestors on the M 25

Not a fan of T20 as a long term method to profit making.

With no Test s i rely mostly on Good these days.

That's what the numbers tell me.

Have had a very good year in the main due to golf, otherwise I'd have struggled.

not just me then pecker...go well mate

and cheers lapsy btw...likewise re manner...means you get to disagree without becoming lifelong adversaries at least...

Pa, that's an amazing  coincidence.

In about 84 I fell asleep in a boozer, in the cubicle loo, in Morden, because someone gave me a lift when I was fairly cut already.

I woke up to N empty pub and alarms everywhere, with a German Shepherd going nuts too T the foot of the stairs but behind a rail.

What was I to do, so I leaned over and pulled a half while waiting on the inevitable.

Wimbledon station they took me too.

They tried to pin an armed robbery on me from two weeks earlier, the branch gave me he'll and held me for 36 hours.

Total truth that.

BREAKING: Home Secretary announces plan to set up task force to deport any EU lorry drivers who remain in the U.K. after 24th Dec.
Ms Patel said “It is a special privilege for lorry drivers to be able come here and work and it shouldn’t be abused”

Gave me a puff

G norton

Special privilege ha, well that's turned old th back already.

That woman is some ****.

I cycled down a tiny one way street on a push bike the wrong way PD near the Tower of London! Myself and the bike was put into the back of a paddywagon,i knew when i opened my mouth i was fecked.
Only for mrs lapsy thinking i was dead i'd still be there, i wasn't long after meeting her and still going strong!

Brentford have a good rest of the evening, a comment i heard tonight i thought v good was Brexit is the economic form of covid,a wry smile surely.

You serious YHTL? surely not?

It's a wind up from twitter

But with this government
you have to look twice

Lol

Nice one Pa, still going strong, that's cool.

I was on Inish Mor Aranislands with the wife and son three weeks ago, twas lovely, but sadly we're not together no more, breaks my heart still, after 30 yrs together, but that's life I guess, not lost hope just yet either.

Anyhow bedtime now, laters Pa.

Ha YHTL, there is a bit of arrogance with the visa thing,a lot of 'saving Christmas' talk,yep johnny foreigner save UKs Christmas, the absurdity of it.

I know you were bulling with Johnsons covid policies PD in concern for her,fair play and the fact you met her recently in Ireland speaks volumes,respect at least is there on her side too. Not all plain sailing myself either,i loved Ireland too or thought i did and the life there and spent a few years 'split up' that actually worked paradoxically,your bond will always be there.

Goodnight.

lets break a life long belief and take a tory at their words
theres a shortage of drivers in EU

so common sense says you,d need to be an out of work driver in EU to be tempted to come here before patel gives you a knock on 24th dec,with all that entails travel,housing etc

someone might want to ask why these drivers arnt working in the EU currently if theres a shortage

I really wonder what people who voted fir Brexit thought was going to happen?

I voted for  Brexit. I voted for chaos.

Things have to change. We are not here for the rich!

cameron iscaught out advising another large multi million £ firm hoiw to avoid tax on the margins of the legality he set the rules on

Boris calling in the Army

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10031025/Boris-calls-Army-Hundreds-soldiers-scrambled-drive-fuel-trucks.html

someone might want to ask why these drivers arnt working in the EU currently if theres a shortage

Same reason why the NHS is always short of workers. Job vacancies aren't spread uniforn across a country the same as unemployment rates.

Why were they here before covid?

Why not use the police, they don't seem to do a lot these days.

How long does it take to learn to drive truck?

A few weeks intensive course. Someone on here actually though it was 10 years.

It's testing them that's the bottleneck. Civil servants again. Paid to drink tea.

well according to uk government you need to serve an apprenticeship to get one,putting drivers on apprenticeship list ,how long is the apprenticeship 8/10 weeks sat at home according to shapps waiting for a phone call to do test

there is zero chance of anyone with no experience been allowed to get behind the wheel of a tanker,

in theory there,d upgrade all drivers up the ladder with new drivers coming in at the bottom on lowest wages,worst jobs,worst t,s n c,s and many will walk away before been able to turn it in to a career they can do long term,
but age, locality, hours/**** people want to work,kicks the theory out of the window

we get millions of workers everyday passing each other on motorways people from the south driving north ,people from north driving south

we,re supposed to be brilliant at logistics in the UK,
Surely to help drivers not needing to sleep in hedgerows etc,driving through the night etc
there must be a way where at a certain point say A 1 in notts are where drivers going to dover from scot and those from dover to scot could swap loads so you both end up sleeping in your own bed rather than neither of you been in your own bed
or does this already happen in some firms

Realistically the government just doesn't have the answers to this issue. The foreign driver scheme is clearly half arsed and designed to show they're trying. We know European drivers will tell us to f*ck off, and they do too. Similarly with trying to improve the speed of testing. You're literally looking at maybe a few dozen extra drivers a week. Compared to the numbers leaving the industry it's just not enough. Truck drivers have been treated like dirt for years; it's going to take a huge amount of investment to begin to reverse that.

The lockdowns brought it to a head, we would have got by without them.

Dr Crippen 27 Sep 21 10:37

It's testing them that's the bottleneck. Civil servants again. Paid to drink tea.


Is there no end to your asinine philosophy? I am sure if you ever trod the boards it would have been at the back end of a pantomime horse!

You really are no end of an ass at times.

HGV driver just came on the radio. He said:-

''If you can drive a car you can drive a truck.

3-5 days to adapt to a truck learning on the job. That's all it takes.

Instead they get you jumping through hoop after hoop, class 2 then class 1, dragging it out, and it can cost you £5,000.''

He said ''no wonder nobody wants to do it. Most haven't got the money for a start.

The whole process is all bullshine from start to finish.''

amazing that this has only come to light since this year

No being funny
But ain’t it the big arctic lorry drivers where short off
No ****g way you can jump from your car to that in 3 days
That’s ****g nonsense
Car to sprinter van maybe

I remember years ago during a recession, someone I spoke to had taken a HGV course after being made redundant.

It cost him a lot of money then. And he still couldn't find a job when he passed.

It's all tied in with the OTT health and safety culture.

People will soon need specialist training and a certificate, to be fit to blow their own noses.

Sounds about right
Driving jobs took off to outer space last 3-5 years
All Amazon drivers now want jump up HGV wonderland
Chinese pizza crew want bit Amazon and so on it goes

obviously the bloke on radio not a fan of red tape or health and safety as its known
but presumably he has the same sort of thinking as the current uk gov around red tape,regs etc

so could he explain why the government has added something he thinks you can do in 3 days to its high skilled apprenticeship list

a 3 day apprenticeship according to your guy on the radio

cameron give you a 16 week apprenticeship to putting the sweets out on the shelves in poundland

I used to know a drivers mate.

I asked him why he wasn't a fully-fledged driver?

He seemed very apprehensive about reversing.
I thought no I wouldn't fancy that with everyone watching and a queue for a hundred yards down the road waiting for me.

a 3 day apprenticeship according to your guy on the radio

No he didn't say that.

But couldn't you learn the controls on a truck in three days?

I take it you can drive?

next up: become a fully qualified physician in just 48 hours

So you can't even drive A_T.

the government are making hgv driving an apprenticeship,why if you only need a driving licence and a week or so to get a hgv, most pointless apprenticeship of all time if you believe the dullards

I was repeating what a driver said on the radio. But I don't think he meant anybody.

You'd probably need a lot longer than that 1tp. And then you'd probably have to give up.

A_T
A_T27 Sep 21 12:02Joined: 27 Jan 06 | Topic/replies: 13,919 | Blogger: A_T's blog
next up: become a fully qualified physician in just 48 hours


Less than 48 seconds for some
of the numpties on here.

Or 48 years for the lefties.

Dr Crippen27 Sep 21 11:49

It's all tied in with the OTT health and safety culture.

People will soon need specialist training and a certificate, to be fit to blow their own noses.

Is there no end to this guys nonsense?

People have been filling up gerry cans in the back of their cars, filling up plastic bottles and one woman a carrier bag!

Fuel vapours are heavier than air and can rest in the car and be ignited. The fuel in cans and plastic containers have to be stored somewhere, either in the car or at home. Lets talk about the OTT Health and Safety Culture!

hgv is only part of a tanker drivers cert
transferring fuel from tanker to tank
fire safety course
chemical safety course

umpteen courses on what do if spillages etc in transit

all based on risk acessments on what could happen,not based on a twitter .radio call of it will never happen,
90% of todays hgv driving regs based on the bloke who fell asleep ploughed down an embankment and derailed a train,something some loon on radio /twiiter said would never happen,
99% of worlds worst industry accidents are caused by basic things going wrong which some hero on a radio station said would never happen

I thought carrier bags had holes
in to prevent folk filling them with
petrol.

an amazon driver transporting thousands of gallons of highly flammable liquid. what could possibly go wrong?

i remember putting in a pipe system once in a chemical station at newton aycliffe the pipe fitter was a lovely bloke but rough as fook,after a week finished we were putting all the gear away ready to leg it on a fri lunch time.when owner said ive a tanker coming in to test it all you,ll have to wait till its tested,when the tanker arrived and driver was connecting his hoses to the new pipework our pipefitter offered the driver £20 to keep quiet if there were any leaks,the driver obviously refused it and our lad said foooking **** trying to make a koooont out of me

all was well

that matherson fella on news today seemed a right know all koont ,blaming everyone
so called whistleblower
dvla working from home,taking industrial action,
public

sort of bloke who,d benefit from a good auld fooooking slap

Reasons for the fuel shortage are not clear

Early this year (spring) fuel price touched £1 a litre, demand driven due to COV19.            As LOCKDOWN restrictions lifted and demand increased there was not a hint of supply probs, then summer hols and mostly UK based and still not a hint of supply issues.

So why in late Sept should supply  probs start?

Only things I can think of is the sudden uplift in kerosene as travel restrictions changed cause the probs, I think a lot of main airports have piped in fuel but not all.

Also there was am issue with a refinarys owners and an unpaid vat bill but there has been no hint of it being a refinary issue.

It all makes little sense, was demand so high in Sept? Bigger than July August?

Was it not a case of retailers not ordering in case of further lockdown measures, which a few on here suggested were on the cards tbf.

Whatever the reason it has nothing to do with Brexit, and doubt there are many foreign fuel tanker drivers in uk.

BP who used to own refineries in uk was very picky about its tankers drivers, these were top jobs and only a select few got them, doubt this changed.

The idea the tanker drivers all went home due to brexit is total BS.


Perfect storm of aviation fuel coming back on, heating fill up oil time, and retailers not managing the stock levels imo.

Maybe the situation has been exploited as well but hope there is an inquiry to get to bottom of it and find the truth.

haven't seen you around here before mate

Oh Seppe

jonah, co-co, whoever the fck you are am no your m8.

i suppose there is no chance of a small loan probbaly not just thought it would be worth atry

no worries

Same story as the tools on here trying to say rising gas prices are due to Brexit.
( err... https://fullfact.org/online/gas-prices-brexit/)
A flow chart:
1. If problem exists, see if you can frame it as due to Brexit.
2. Blame it on Brexit.
3. Goto 1
--
Apparently loads of HGV drivers have given up and the DVLA are absolutely pathetic at organising both new tests AND giving medical approval to existing HGV drivers when they need it.

I'm not tribal, I'm quite happy to say the Tories could do 10 times better and the DVLA on their watch. Also the offer of a 3 month visa for EU drivers is risable, absolutely pathetic.

But most of this is not due to Brexit. Final note, it's quite obvious given there are 100,000s of drivers with licenses that somethng is far wrong with the industry in Britain. Poor wages (which will now go up = good). Poor treatment (hopefully to get better). In fact just googling a stat on the above reveals this article. Maybe Remoaners should read it.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article
If anything is wrong, please city a source. Maybe remoaners like our HGV drivers being underpaid and treated like sh1t.
"Poland, for example, is currently short of around 124,000 drivers, or 37% of its required workforce, according to a recent report by TI Insight. That’s an even higher shortfall than the UK." Hmm!

Go on then just Checking

Say it loud and say it proud

The Tories under Doris the Clown could do 10 times better!

Say it like it is!

I'm not tribal, I'm quite happy to say the Tories could do 10 times better and the DVLA on their watch. Also the offer of a 3 month visa for EU drivers is risable, absolutely pathetic.

But most of this is not due to Brexit. Final note, it's quite obvious given there are 100,000s of drivers with licenses that somethng is far wrong with the industry in Britain. Poor wages (which will now go up = good). Poor treatment (hopefully to get better). In fact just googling a stat on the above reveals this article. Maybe Remoaners should read it.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article
If anything is wrong, please city a source. Maybe remoaners like our HGV drivers being underpaid and treated like sh1t.
"Poland, for example, is currently short of around 124,000 drivers, or 37% of its required workforce, according to a recent report by TI Insight. That’s an even higher shortfall than the UK." Hmm!

How many Armies are delivering petrol in Europe?

Maybe they aren’t panic buying in Europe ?

btw, you need to check driver shortages for pre-pandemic. Give you a clue, the industry reps were saying they were massively short then too. It's almost like they're under the thumb of the big employers and their job is to make it look like the industry is struggling and needs help and subsidies from the government and more laws to bring in cheap labour. Hmm!

And when you grasp that, then maybe you need to figure out what a real shortage is then. If there were these severe driver shortages years ago and things were running smoothly, and the same people on the continent are saying the same now and they're still running smoothly then it's not really a shortage. But what would an actual shortage look like? Maybe it would mean things not getting delivered, warehouses overflowing, stock stood on dockside as it's got nowhere to go, supply chain blockages, empty shelves, empty petrol stations, the army being called in to help. Maybe. Just maybe that's what an actual shortage is. The other one is just paid shills trying to lobby governments.

Andrew Marr to Doris Johnson

“ ok we are heading to bluster “

Doris Johnson to Andrew Marr

“ I won’t blame you for the great pig slaughter”

Now Doris is blatantly lying and contradicting ONS wage figures

Indeed WD, highest taxes since ww2 and inflation going upwards,wages can only be going down in real terms

It’s not Brexit it’s the pandemic wot dun it. Ain’t it so Just Checking?

PoP. Are you on the same level as WD? I don't think so. Your are annoying but not a complete moron.
But you apparently struggle to be. Here's a quick review of facts.


1. I think the Tories are handling the HGV thing incredibly badly. I'm not tribal.
2. I think Brexit plays a small part, but in the big picture, meh, and given facts it's not the driving factor..
3. ... pre brexit it depressed driver wages, wages i'm happy to pay are now going up ... good . ... fairy nurf.

You see this is what annoys me. I can happily say "the tories are **** on this" as i'm an adult. it's not tribal. it's a fact.
I think the Tories are shocking recently, totally useless. Lefties or SNP types can't seem to do this. I'm in no way here trying to justify "my vote" I'm being realistic, something remoaners aren't.
Unlike PoliticsOrPunter, I'm not lying.

your missing the most important points out
are you happy to fund low paid workers massive pay rises on the back of higher taxes, food,utility,fuel prices and if so and this was the reason behind brexit why were brexiteer ministers/johnson promising lower taxes,lower food,utillity,fuel prices

Lefties or SNP types can't seem to do this.

No they won't give ground at all, because they know their political views are based on envy.

50,000 waiting for licences  while the dvla sits on its collective erse at home

Paid to drink tea.
Paid to drink tea at home for the last 12 months.

I bet the best kept small garden of the year prize goes to a civil servant.

Borderline retarded?

What did you expect when you voted for Brexit and sending all the foreigners home?

Borderline, lol

Thats the trouble

They do not know how to protect their borders!

Maybe we should work through this

£350 million a week to spend on the NHS

We used to keep immigrants out
by inspecting lorries.

Then some brexiteers started
broadcasting adverts for a new
route via sea, which is far
more difficult to stop.

lol civil servents,surely it is mainly the fault of 'UK haters'? didn't they come out with this project fear and thought Johnson was beyond competent?

You get what you deserve by collusion with the tories except many don't deserve it.

All very much by design

How many more clues do people need ?

This will run and run

Blimey, wasn't expecting that. Government has backed down completely and allowed cabotage - ie foreign drivers to drop off here, and then do other jobs while here before heading back. Given the big jump in wage rates in the UK I suspect we might see a sudden influx of European trucks on our roads again very soon.

Good news for unblocking the ports and getting goods where they need to be, not so great news for British truck drivers.

Unite are talking about strikes for their HGV drivers over wages and conditions, i get the conditions part,they are stone age compared to the continent,but why wages, i thought lorry drivers would have got a decent wage rise?

Wages have shot up. Drivers seem more pissed off than ever today though.