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By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 11:23
Why not use the police, they don't seem to do a lot these days.

How long does it take to learn to drive truck?
By:
saddo
When: 27 Sep 21 11:29
A few weeks intensive course. Someone on here actually though it was 10 years.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 11:37
It's testing them that's the bottleneck. Civil servants again. Paid to drink tea.
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 11:41
well according to uk government you need to serve an apprenticeship to get one,putting drivers on apprenticeship list ,how long is the apprenticeship 8/10 weeks sat at home according to shapps waiting for a phone call to do test
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 11:46
there is zero chance of anyone with no experience been allowed to get behind the wheel of a tanker,

in theory there,d upgrade all drivers up the ladder with new drivers coming in at the bottom on lowest wages,worst jobs,worst t,s n c,s and many will walk away before been able to turn it in to a career they can do long term,
but age, locality, hours/**** people want to work,kicks the theory out of the window
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 11:53
we get millions of workers everyday passing each other on motorways people from the south driving north ,people from north driving south

we,re supposed to be brilliant at logistics in the UK,
Surely to help drivers not needing to sleep in hedgerows etc,driving through the night etc
there must be a way where at a certain point say A 1 in notts are where drivers going to dover from scot and those from dover to scot could swap loads so you both end up sleeping in your own bed rather than neither of you been in your own bed
or does this already happen in some firms
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 27 Sep 21 11:55
Realistically the government just doesn't have the answers to this issue. The foreign driver scheme is clearly half arsed and designed to show they're trying. We know European drivers will tell us to f*ck off, and they do too. Similarly with trying to improve the speed of testing. You're literally looking at maybe a few dozen extra drivers a week. Compared to the numbers leaving the industry it's just not enough. Truck drivers have been treated like dirt for years; it's going to take a huge amount of investment to begin to reverse that.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 12:19
The lockdowns brought it to a head, we would have got by without them.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 27 Sep 21 12:35

Dr Crippen 27 Sep 21 10:37

It's testing them that's the bottleneck. Civil servants again. Paid to drink tea.



Is there no end to your asinine philosophy? I am sure if you ever trod the boards it would have been at the back end of a pantomime horse!

You really are no end of an ass at times.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 12:39
HGV driver just came on the radio. He said:-

''If you can drive a car you can drive a truck.

3-5 days to adapt to a truck learning on the job. That's all it takes.

Instead they get you jumping through hoop after hoop, class 2 then class 1, dragging it out, and it can cost you £5,000.''

He said ''no wonder nobody wants to do it. Most haven't got the money for a start.

The whole process is all bullshine from start to finish.''
By:
A_T
When: 27 Sep 21 12:40
amazing that this has only come to light since this year
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 27 Sep 21 12:43
No being funny
But ain’t it the big arctic lorry drivers where short off
No ****g way you can jump from your car to that in 3 days
That’s ****g nonsense
Car to sprinter van maybe
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 12:46
I remember years ago during a recession, someone I spoke to had taken a HGV course after being made redundant.

It cost him a lot of money then. And he still couldn't find a job when he passed.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 12:49
It's all tied in with the OTT health and safety culture.

People will soon need specialist training and a certificate, to be fit to blow their own noses.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 27 Sep 21 12:50
Sounds about right
Driving jobs took off to outer space last 3-5 years
All Amazon drivers now want jump up HGV wonderland
Chinese pizza crew want bit Amazon and so on it goes
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 12:53
obviously the bloke on radio not a fan of red tape or health and safety as its known
but presumably he has the same sort of thinking as the current uk gov around red tape,regs etc

so could he explain why the government has added something he thinks you can do in 3 days to its high skilled apprenticeship list

a 3 day apprenticeship according to your guy on the radio
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 12:54
cameron give you a 16 week apprenticeship to putting the sweets out on the shelves in poundland
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 12:58
I used to know a drivers mate.

I asked him why he wasn't a fully-fledged driver?

He seemed very apprehensive about reversing.
I thought no I wouldn't fancy that with everyone watching and a queue for a hundred yards down the road waiting for me.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 13:01
a 3 day apprenticeship according to your guy on the radio

No he didn't say that.

But couldn't you learn the controls on a truck in three days?

I take it you can drive?
By:
A_T
When: 27 Sep 21 13:02
next up: become a fully qualified physician in just 48 hours
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 13:06
So you can't even drive A_T.
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 13:08
the government are making hgv driving an apprenticeship,why if you only need a driving licence and a week or so to get a hgv, most pointless apprenticeship of all time if you believe the dullards
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 13:18
I was repeating what a driver said on the radio. But I don't think he meant anybody.

You'd probably need a lot longer than that 1tp. And then you'd probably have to give up.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Sep 21 13:20
A_T
A_T27 Sep 21 12:02Joined: 27 Jan 06 | Topic/replies: 13,919 | Blogger: A_T's blog
next up: become a fully qualified physician in just 48 hours


Less than 48 seconds for some
of the numpties on here.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Sep 21 13:25
Or 48 years for the lefties.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 27 Sep 21 13:43
Dr Crippen27 Sep 21 11:49

It's all tied in with the OTT health and safety culture.

People will soon need specialist training and a certificate, to be fit to blow their own noses
.


Is there no end to this guys nonsense?

People have been filling up gerry cans in the back of their cars, filling up plastic bottles and one woman a carrier bag!

Fuel vapours are heavier than air and can rest in the car and be ignited. The fuel in cans and plastic containers have to be stored somewhere, either in the car or at home. Lets talk about the OTT Health and Safety Culture!
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 13:53
hgv is only part of a tanker drivers cert
transferring fuel from tanker to tank
fire safety course
chemical safety course

umpteen courses on what do if spillages etc in transit

all based on risk acessments on what could happen,not based on a twitter .radio call of it will never happen,
90% of todays hgv driving regs based on the bloke who fell asleep ploughed down an embankment and derailed a train,something some loon on radio /twiiter said would never happen,
99% of worlds worst industry accidents are caused by basic things going wrong which some hero on a radio station said would never happen
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Sep 21 13:54
I thought carrier bags had holes
in to prevent folk filling them with
petrol.
By:
A_T
When: 27 Sep 21 13:56
an amazon driver transporting thousands of gallons of highly flammable liquid. what could possibly go wrong?
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 14:05
i remember putting in a pipe system once in a chemical station at newton aycliffe the pipe fitter was a lovely bloke but rough as fook,after a week finished we were putting all the gear away ready to leg it on a fri lunch time.when owner said ive a tanker coming in to test it all you,ll have to wait till its tested,when the tanker arrived and driver was connecting his hoses to the new pipework our pipefitter offered the driver £20 to keep quiet if there were any leaks,the driver obviously refused it and our lad said foooking **** trying to make a koooont out of me LaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 14:05
all was well Laugh
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Sep 21 15:41
that matherson fella on news today seemed a right know all koont ,blaming everyone
so called whistleblower
dvla working from home,taking industrial action,
public

sort of bloke who,d benefit from a good auld fooooking slap
By:
breadnbutter
When: 02 Oct 21 22:28
Reasons for the fuel shortage are not clear

Early this year (spring) fuel price touched £1 a litre, demand driven due to COV19.            As LOCKDOWN restrictions lifted and demand increased there was not a hint of supply probs, then summer hols and mostly UK based and still not a hint of supply issues.

So why in late Sept should supply  probs start?

Only things I can think of is the sudden uplift in kerosene as travel restrictions changed cause the probs, I think a lot of main airports have piped in fuel but not all.

Also there was am issue with a refinarys owners and an unpaid vat bill but there has been no hint of it being a refinary issue.

It all makes little sense, was demand so high in Sept? Bigger than July August?

Was it not a case of retailers not ordering in case of further lockdown measures, which a few on here suggested were on the cards tbf.

Whatever the reason it has nothing to do with Brexit, and doubt there are many foreign fuel tanker drivers in uk.

BP who used to own refineries in uk was very picky about its tankers drivers, these were top jobs and only a select few got them, doubt this changed.

The idea the tanker drivers all went home due to brexit is total BS.


Perfect storm of aviation fuel coming back on, heating fill up oil time, and retailers not managing the stock levels imo.

Maybe the situation has been exploited as well but hope there is an inquiry to get to bottom of it and find the truth.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 02 Oct 21 22:31
haven't seen you around here before mate
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 02 Oct 21 23:13
Laugh

Oh SeppeLaugh
By:
breadnbutter
When: 03 Oct 21 00:23
jonah, co-co, whoever the fck you are am no your m8.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 03 Oct 21 00:28
Plain
By:
Giuseppe
When: 03 Oct 21 00:29
i suppose there is no chance of a small loan probbaly not just thought it would be worth atry
By:
Giuseppe
When: 03 Oct 21 00:29
no worries
By:
Just Checking
When: 03 Oct 21 01:06
Same story as the tools on here trying to say rising gas prices are due to Brexit.
( err... https://fullfact.org/online/gas-prices-brexit/)
A flow chart:
1. If problem exists, see if you can frame it as due to Brexit.
2. Blame it on Brexit.
3. Goto 1
--
Apparently loads of HGV drivers have given up and the DVLA are absolutely pathetic at organising both new tests AND giving medical approval to existing HGV drivers when they need it.

I'm not tribal, I'm quite happy to say the Tories could do 10 times better and the DVLA on their watch. Also the offer of a 3 month visa for EU drivers is risable, absolutely pathetic.

But most of this is not due to Brexit. Final note, it's quite obvious given there are 100,000s of drivers with licenses that somethng is far wrong with the industry in Britain. Poor wages (which will now go up = good). Poor treatment (hopefully to get better). In fact just googling a stat on the above reveals this article. Maybe Remoaners should read it.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article
If anything is wrong, please city a source. Maybe remoaners like our HGV drivers being underpaid and treated like sh1t.
"Poland, for example, is currently short of around 124,000 drivers, or 37% of its required workforce, according to a recent report by TI Insight. That’s an even higher shortfall than the UK." Hmm!
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