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Tiger Tiger
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..........in FRANCE...GERMANY and everywhere else in the world............

The BBC came under fire last night for ignoring the fact that the HGV driver shortage has affected countries throughout the world.

Around 400,000 drivers are needed across mainland Europe, including shortfalls of 40,000 in Germany.

In America, there is a shortfall of around 63,000 while China needs about four million extra drivers, according to the International Road Transport Union.

Its a Covid issue affecting not just the whole of Europe but the world. I don't understand why they are doing this but it is deeply misleading and the kind of reporting that leads to panic buying, as we have seen.

France has faced a shortage of around 43,000 drivers since 2019, when the shortfall in Italy was estimated to be around 15,000, according to analysts Transport Intelligence.

Earlier this month, Jose Gomez-Urquiza, of US immigration agency Visa Solutions, said: 'We [in America] are living through the worst driver shortage that we've seen in recent history, by far.'



Wont stop the woke and the remoaners moaning though will it, its all Brexits fault etc etc.

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By:
saddo
When: 26 Sep 21 20:56
Never let the truth get in the way of BBC propaganda.
By:
Capt__F
When: 26 Sep 21 20:58
£50k a yaer ? pretty decent
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 20:59
Of course it's brexit

A shortage of drivers, send the foreigners
home.


How to fix it.... Issue visas
to new drivers,


But yeah you numpty brexiteers
can't admit to a single drawback
of brexit, let alone its cumulative
detrimental harm to UK.
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Sep 21 21:00
great and that helps us how
does matter who.whats to blame,its just the latest in a line of sectors struggling for whatever reason
in last 12 months those losing jobs coming of furlough in order have been asked to retrain as
fishermen
care workers,
fruit pickers
food processing workers
and now forget all that get a hgv licence
thats besides sheep farmers been told to rear sheep on a hillside in wales
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Sep 21 21:00
no queues for petrol in ireland mate
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 26 Sep 21 21:00
donny...........you need sectioned.
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Sep 21 21:03
youmguys need to switch the bbc off and read the headlines in those leftie remaining front page papers
the sun
the express
the mail
the torygraph

i,d squint if i were you your not going to like what you see
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:03
Cheers tiger, you been on this sheep dip again?
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 26 Sep 21 21:05
Someone stole it all..........
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 26 Sep 21 21:14
Reasons for the Driver Shortage in Logistics:

While according to ‘Die Welt’ (only german) about 40,000 truck drivers retire every year, only 16,000 complete their training. A World Bank Group study conducted by the Kühne Logistics University actually confirms an increasing driver shortage in logistics for all of Europe.

There are serious reasons for the waning of the profession:

Age structure: The logistics industry did not manage to attract enough newcomers to the profession to replace the older generations.

Unattractive working conditions: Stress, excessive working hours and a low quality of life are among the day-to-day challenges for many truck drivers and define their hard everyday work.

Low wages and low social status: The wages of the drivers are not sufficient to compensate for the stressful working conditions. The social status of truck drivers is also low and they meet with little appreciation.

Rising crime rate: The high crime rate which reflects risks faced by truck drivers must not be underestimated as well. Thus, the GDV reports (only german) that cargo worth 1.4 billion euros is stolen in Germany. In addition to that there are 900 million euros in penalty payments for delayed deliveries, repair costs as well as loss of sales and production for the final recipients. The assaults on truck drivers are not even included in these figures.

And thats just GERMANY. But of course, its Brexits fault Crazy
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Sep 21 21:15
are they queueing for petrol in deutschland?
By:
Capt__F
When: 26 Sep 21 21:18
Orderly queue by all accounts
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Sep 21 21:19
i'll never understand how Germany lost two world wars
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:20
Have Germany made their shortage
worse by banning foreign drivers
from entering the market.

BREXIT
By:
saddo
When: 26 Sep 21 21:20
Lied about how good they were.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Sep 21 21:21
Another reason for the poor take up of jobs in Europe, is the same as in the UK. Benefits are set too high.
By:
Capt__F
When: 26 Sep 21 21:22
dont forget 66 World Cup
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 26 Sep 21 21:24
From the Road Haulage Association who will know better than you even you donny.......

Road Haulage Association (RHA) only 60,000 out of 600,000 HGV drivers came from the EU. Secondly, many of these returned home because of COVID, not Brexit. As the RHA said in July this year: “Many drivers returned to their country of origin during extended periods of lockdown and restricted travel. They will return when Covid permits.

Even more importantly, there are numerous reasons for the shortage of HGV drivers, not the least of which being the lack of new drivers being trained and the unattractiveness of the profession to young people because of historically low wages and the conditions under which they are forced to operate these days.

Thanks to COVID-19, there is a huge backlog of HGV drivers waiting to take their courses and tests. With a drop of almost 43,000 new drivers taking their test since Covid struck, it is hardly surprising that the industry is feeling the pinch.

Finally, as our research demonstrates, there is a shortage of HGV drivers worldwide, including in EU countries such as Germany and France. This problem is not confined to the United Kingdom.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Sep 21 21:25
the ball didn't cross the line mate

england only won because they cheated
By:
saddo
When: 26 Sep 21 21:27
Don't bother Tiger. Its gonna piss it down overnight, BREXIT
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:28
Here's the full letter tiger


23rd June 2021

Dear Prime Minister,

Critical supply chains failing due to the significant shortage of HGV drivers

We are urgently writing to ask for your personal intervention to help resolve the significant and rapidly deteriorating shortage of HGV drivers.

Prior to the pandemic, we estimated a shortage in excess of 60,000. At that time UK road transport businesses employed approximately 600,000 HGV drivers, including 60,000 from EU member states who were residing and working in the UK.

Several factors have exacerbated the shortage which is now at crisis point (over 100,000) and critical supply chains are failing. Those factors include:

COVID - Many drivers returned to their country of origin during extended periods of lockdown and restricted travel. The vast majority have not yet returned.

EU exit - The uncertainty of Brexit and future rights to live and work in the UK forced many drivers to do the same. Again, the vast majority have not returned nor are they expected to.

Retiring drivers - The average age of an HGV driver is 55, with less than 1% under the age of 25. Prolonged periods of inactivity have resulted in much of this aging workforce retiring early or finding employment in other, less demanding, sectors.

Test shortage - During a typical year, 72,000 candidates train to become HGV drivers with 40,000 succeeding. The complete shutdown of vocational driving tests throughout much of last year resulted in the loss of over 30,000 test slots and only 15,000 were able to complete training successfully - a drop of 25,000 from the previous year.

IR35 - The introduction of IR35 has resulted in agency labour withdrawing their services as low-profit margin logistics businesses (typically 2-3%) cannot sustain demands for £5-£6 per hour rate increases. For clarity, we welcome legislation that ensures fair and equal tax for all. However, Government must now recognise the repercussions of this and the other issues mentioned and urgently intervene to help us to resolve the resulting crisis.

We are grateful to Ministers from the Departments for Transport, and Work and Pensions, who have met with us to discuss solutions, but it is clear, despite best intentions, that there is no immediate plan. We firmly believe that intervention from the Prime Minister / Cabinet Office is the only way that we will be able to avert critical supply chains failing at an unprecedented and unimaginable level. Supermarkets are already reporting that they are not receiving their expected food stocks and, as a result, there is considerable wastage.

To make the situation even worse, summer holidays are fast approaching, and drivers will take their leave entitlement. The lack of agency drivers to help support their absence will exacerbate the problem even further as will continued unlocking of the economy and the spikes in demand for food and drink created by the hot weather and major sporting events. Furthermore, the Christmas build that retailers begin in August / September will be seriously affected – all of which will affect Government’s ability to “build back better”.

We are asking for your direct support as follows:

1. We need an immediate solution to this problem - we are not going to solve this now by training drivers and as such need access to EU and EEA labour. We ask for the introduction of a temporary worker visa for HGV drivers and for this occupation to be added to the Home Office Shortage Occupation List.

This will allow UK-registered transport operators to access a workforce that can live and work in the UK more easily and encourage those who have left to return - even if this is short-term measure whilst we concentrate on a longer-term plan. DEFRA already have arrangements in place that support our harvest periods when foreign labour restrictions are eased for specific demand. The same principles should be applied.

2. Government needs to work with the industry to help address the broader issues around the skills shortage. We must work collectively to achieve a sustainable way of recruiting and training a homegrown workforce so that our reliance on foreign labour dissipates over time. We ask that a taskforce is immediately established to include representation from all of the relevant areas of Government and industry to help drive this change at the pace that is so desperately needed.

3. The DEFRA Food Resilience Industry Forum, chaired by Chris Tyas, helped to ensure the nation’s supply integrity throughout the pandemic. This was recently disbanded. However, in view of the growing crisis, it must be re-established at the earliest opportunity.

It is our collective view that there has never been a more challenging time for this industry and we urge you to take these decisive steps to ensure that we can continue to maintain the UK’s integrated and finely balanced supply chains.

Yours sincerely,

Richard Burnett

Chief Executive - RHA
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Sep 21 21:29
"Thanks to COVID-19, there is a huge backlog of HGV drivers waiting to take their courses and tests. With a drop of almost 43,000 new drivers taking their test since Covid struck, it is hardly surprising that the industry is feeling the pinch."

lockdowns Angry

God knows how many other problems they have caused
By:
brentford
When: 26 Sep 21 21:29
I'd imagine the likely (almost certain) medium term automation of the job makes it pretty unappealing for many though as a current scarcity and potential for inflated wages in the current climate less career minded people could certainly  do a lot worse..

must be less than two decades away maybe less from much hgv stuff being self driving...
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:30
Why post parts of it tiger

If it doesn't support your rant?
By:
Capt__F
When: 26 Sep 21 21:30
it did cross the line as the Russian linesman said so

let it go

u will feel better

$5 for Paracetamol
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Sep 21 21:33
thanks for the fiver mate but computer reconstructions have shown it did not
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:33
Self drive hgv lacks the driver
fighting to get his load off
pdq as he has to elsewhere.

There are trains, but,...
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:33
To be elsewhere
By:
brentford
When: 26 Sep 21 21:35
the offloading will be automated as well though yhtl - not sure if that was your point re still needing a driver ?
By:
Tiger Tiger
When: 26 Sep 21 21:35
I didnt post that letter or even part of it I posted a statement made by the RHA, not the letter that you posted ffs, cant you see the difference?

The real problem is, where do you get drivers from when there is a driver shortage across the whole of Europe? Where do they come from????

When you acknowledge that there is a shortage across the whole of Europe you will be entering the world of sanity, until then.........
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Sep 21 21:41
jerry cans banned in germany
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:42
Yes yours is taken from the letter.

Maybe you didn't know, lol

Wouldn't surprise me.

But hey yes the guy knows better
than me and you and I've bolded
the bit about Brexit making
it worse.

Hey ho
By:
lapsy pa
When: 26 Sep 21 21:43
The visas today 5k each for lorry drivers and 5k for food industry workers,has Europe a shortage of food processing workers? Is the food thing down to the covid too?
By:
brentford
When: 26 Sep 21 21:50
cheap labour especially for things like food processing is almost an undeniable benefit of EU membership...whether it's actually a good thing of course is another matter... you concentrate younger populations to more developed European countries and leave holes in countries like Poland, Romania where some old industrial cities and rural towns become waste lands full of aging populations and decrepit structures...

regardless of ones side in Brexit matters ( I genuinely don't have one) I think the true result or validity of the decision that was made will take decades for a worthy evaluation to exist and certainly would need to be removed from perfect storm moments like those that exist currently..
By:
brentford
When: 26 Sep 21 21:51
you also have factor in things like an incompetent government and industries who's models were based on effectively exploiting cheap labour...
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Sep 21 21:55
We had a system built around eu

We chose to cut it off rather
than wean our self off it

A sort of cold turkey

With, err, fewer turkeys
By:
lapsy pa
When: 26 Sep 21 21:56
Fair enough Brentford but surely things like this should be foreseen,otherwise you are looking at the results ofthemnot being and it isn't pretty.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 26 Sep 21 21:59
Yeah, like the waste lands of Middlesbrough.I

The perfect storm off course is a fancy 3 word slogan for total fcukwits.

Like let's build back better is a slogan for,god we are going to royally screw you.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 26 Sep 21 21:59
the never brexit / always brexit fans out in force, as ever.

imo the type of brexit bozo et al chose is definitely a factor but not the only one.
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