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well ,we'll the double jabbers to be barred in Israel 

No third shot No entry .. most public places

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Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 1:18 PM BST
I said this long ago

Put us on furlough for a month and let all the young people party hard! Last September all young people should have been encouraged to get it in with each other and school kids to play and thereby develop their own anti bodies.

Fat, Infirm and over 50’s could have been jabbed.

This ongoing situation is being exploited by the few at the cost of not the many but everyone else!

Live life! The gift is too precious to live in fear.
Report Dr Crippen September 14, 2021 1:28 PM BST
And over here - flu jab at the same time as the third jab.

Some say flu has been overwhelmed by covid, the strongest virus pushes the others out. Which is why one variant at a time tends to dominate.

A doctor on Talkradio saying as much as I write.
Report Dr Crippen September 14, 2021 1:32 PM BST
He says mostly unvaccinated over 80s dying of covid now.

The last data I saw from the ONS didn't not say that.
Report saddo September 14, 2021 1:49 PM BST
Good post Whisperingdeath.
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 2:13 PM BST
"Put us on furlough for a month and let all the young people party hard! "

never mind a month, they had a year and a half to do this

grandparents weren't allowed hug kids

why the **** weren't we allowing the kids to get infected during this time
Report Dr Crippen September 14, 2021 3:02 PM BST
Even when they tried to get the kids back to school the teachers' union wouldn't let them.

Teachers like their time off on full pay.
Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 3:36 PM BST
Many of these teachers tbf have got the long covid

Unfortunately they have had it since birth. it is called The Lazy Gene!
Report Escapee September 14, 2021 3:43 PM BST
@Dr. Crippen,


You seem knowledgeable about some of the data so I'm wondering if you have a handle on a couple of things.



Do you have any of these figures from a reliable source?

1) Age group of those currently dying (is it old, middle aged or under 40's )

2) Percentage currently dying who are 2 Jabs / 1 jab / unvaxed

3) Error rate of tests.... There are 30-40k positive tests daily, out of how many daily tests?
   if there are 1 million daily tests and the false positive rate is 3% then that would produce 30k positive results daily. (I've heard of 20-40% false positive rate but have no idea if that ball park is realistic)


Many thanks in advance
Report shiny new shoes please September 14, 2021 3:44 PM BST
Israel ...the booster shot is now available for anyone over 12 who was vaccinated at least five months ago
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 3:46 PM BST
lol

who could have predicted this?
Report Dr Crippen September 14, 2021 4:01 PM BST
I don't know Escapee.

The ONS publishes all that.

I was given a link that took me straight to the relevant data on the ONS site. I didn't keep the link.
Report Escapee September 14, 2021 4:11 PM BST
no worries, thanks for responding
Report feedthepony September 14, 2021 4:13 PM BST
Only people who receive full pay for sickness have long covid - just a coincidence tho
Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 4:25 PM BST
escapee someobody posted a link to a govt report. Had the figures in black and white. Try Home Office or Ministry of health.

Non jabbers are dying, over 30 maybe 40% of Deaths are unvaccinated. most of the rest average age is 84.
Report Escapee September 14, 2021 4:30 PM BST
found this data on another thread, (from ONS ? not sure )

Vaccination status Deaths involving COVID-19 Non-COVID-19 deaths Percent of all deaths
All deaths regardless of vaccination status 51,281 214,701 19.3
Unvaccinated 38,964 65,170 37.4
Deaths within 21 days of first dose 4,388 14,265 23.5
Deaths 21 days or more after first dose 7,289 66,533 9.9
Deaths within 21 days of second dose 182 11,470 1.6
Deaths 21 days or more after second dose 458 57,263 0.8


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Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 4:34 PM BST
That's the baby!

From January 1st this year so doubters can query but looks pretty straightforward to me and I am against the vax to a degree...but I have been double jabbed. Dont think I need the booster but will have it!
Report feedthepony September 14, 2021 4:37 PM BST
Since 1st of January - so before most of the vulnerable had had both their doses?

Are they counting the Quarter 1 deaths in their scare tactic - "40% of the deaths have been unvaccinated" - I bet they are
Report feedthepony September 14, 2021 4:39 PM BST
Should count it from the date ALL vulnerable people were offered both doses - and discount the unvaccinated deaths of the vulnerable who medically can't take it.

I.e. - an "unvaccinated" death should only be counted from the point the first dose was offered and refused.

But that wouldn't tell the story they want.
Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 4:43 PM BST
I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made some moments ago!

Doubters gonna doubt! I concede the start and end date are very important.

BUT!

Unvaccinated 37.4

Average age 84

That's what I'm talkin'bout!
Report feedthepony September 14, 2021 4:44 PM BST
Cut the deaths into these boxes:

* Vaccinated - both doses received
* Semi Vaccinated - only 1 dose received - 2nd dose not yet due
* Semi-Vaccinated - only 1 dose received - 2nd dose overdue and not taken
* Unvaccinated - no vaccine doses offered yet (i'd offer good money the bulk of the 38k "unvaccinated deaths fit into this category)
* Unvaccinated - unable to vaccinate due to health of patient (very important to categorise this)
* Unvaccinated - vaccine has been offered and refused (This one will get nowhere near 1% of they published it)
Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 4:44 PM BST
Partic average age!

Let the children play!
Report feedthepony September 14, 2021 4:49 PM BST
Agree WhisperingDeath

Any adult who believes a child should take this vaccine to protect the adult population is a waste of oxygen anyway and a low life piece of cowardly scum
Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 4:54 PM BST
Bad enough the poor college students but teenagers ffs! Cotton wool parents are The Disease!
Report Whisperingdeath September 14, 2021 4:55 PM BST
I do say I am not vax defender but it may have saved people my age!
Report mafeking September 14, 2021 5:06 PM BST
if you asked grandparents should their grandchildren take a new vaccine to protect them surely you'd get a massive majority for no. since when did society decide the young should take risks for the old ? always been the other way around
Report politicspunter September 14, 2021 5:13 PM BST
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britons-back-covid-vaccines-for-12-year-olds-poll-shows-5s2kvqrvn
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Polling here.
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 5:17 PM BST
what about 5 year olds? they're next
Report lapsy pa September 14, 2021 6:15 PM BST
Don't seem to be using the AZ jab except in maybe allergy cases and just pfizer and Moderna is the UK booster programme, odd.
Report mafeking September 14, 2021 7:09 PM BST
play the government at their own game and ask a massively leading question like their nonsense polls i.e. would you risk your grandson having heart complications to protect yourself ? easily get the desired answer then
Report politicspunter September 14, 2021 7:37 PM BST
It wasn't a government poll, nor was it a massively leading question.
Report timbuctooth September 16, 2021 6:46 PM BST
Escapee Joined: 27 Aug 04
Replies: 250014 Sep 21 14:43 
@Dr. Crippen,
You seem knowledgeable about some of the data so I'm wondering if you have a handle on a couple of things.
Do you have any of these figures from a reliable source?
...

3) Error rate of tests.... There are 30-40k positive tests daily, out of how many daily tests?
   if there are 1 million daily tests and the false positive rate is 3% then that would produce 30k positive results daily. (I've heard of 20-40% false positive rate but have no idea if that ball park is realistic)



This gives the answer;

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/caught-red-handed-cdc-changes-test-thresholds-virtually-eliminate-new-covid-cases-among
Report nineteen points September 16, 2021 6:51 PM BST
why are kids apparently just getting infected now that just about all adults are jabbed? a bit strange.
Report shiny new shoes please September 17, 2021 12:39 AM BST
A bit Laugh.. Milking it Grin..
Most will have had it and never even knew
Pfizer & bio.. Are aiming for 5 billion doses next year .. $$$
van der Leyen .. One more year to implement final stages ..


Daft Punk - One More Time
Report leif October 14, 2021 10:28 PM BST
Shocked

Report Giuseppe October 14, 2021 10:32 PM BST
bit misleading that

3rd doses were started in response to surging cases

deaths lag behind cases by a few weeks, they were always going to rise

and deaths aren't that high in Israel, about 10-20 a day in a country of 9 million
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