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14 Sep 21 13:09
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well ,we'll the double jabbers to be barred in Israel 

No third shot No entry .. most public places

Desmond Dekker & The Aces - "Israelites"
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By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 13:18
I said this long ago

Put us on furlough for a month and let all the young people party hard! Last September all young people should have been encouraged to get it in with each other and school kids to play and thereby develop their own anti bodies.

Fat, Infirm and over 50’s could have been jabbed.

This ongoing situation is being exploited by the few at the cost of not the many but everyone else!

Live life! The gift is too precious to live in fear.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 14 Sep 21 13:28
And over here - flu jab at the same time as the third jab.

Some say flu has been overwhelmed by covid, the strongest virus pushes the others out. Which is why one variant at a time tends to dominate.

A doctor on Talkradio saying as much as I write.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 14 Sep 21 13:32
He says mostly unvaccinated over 80s dying of covid now.

The last data I saw from the ONS didn't not say that.
By:
saddo
When: 14 Sep 21 13:49
Good post Whisperingdeath.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 14 Sep 21 14:13
"Put us on furlough for a month and let all the young people party hard! "

never mind a month, they had a year and a half to do this

grandparents weren't allowed hug kids

why the **** weren't we allowing the kids to get infected during this time
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 14 Sep 21 15:02
Even when they tried to get the kids back to school the teachers' union wouldn't let them.

Teachers like their time off on full pay.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 15:36
Many of these teachers tbf have got the long covid

Unfortunately they have had it since birth. it is called The Lazy Gene!
By:
Escapee
When: 14 Sep 21 15:43
@Dr. Crippen,


You seem knowledgeable about some of the data so I'm wondering if you have a handle on a couple of things.



Do you have any of these figures from a reliable source?

1) Age group of those currently dying (is it old, middle aged or under 40's )

2) Percentage currently dying who are 2 Jabs / 1 jab / unvaxed

3) Error rate of tests.... There are 30-40k positive tests daily, out of how many daily tests?
   if there are 1 million daily tests and the false positive rate is 3% then that would produce 30k positive results daily. (I've heard of 20-40% false positive rate but have no idea if that ball park is realistic)


Many thanks in advance
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 14 Sep 21 15:44
Israel ...the booster shot is now available for anyone over 12 who was vaccinated at least five months ago
By:
Giuseppe
When: 14 Sep 21 15:46
lol

who could have predicted this?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 14 Sep 21 16:01
I don't know Escapee.

The ONS publishes all that.

I was given a link that took me straight to the relevant data on the ONS site. I didn't keep the link.
By:
Escapee
When: 14 Sep 21 16:11
no worries, thanks for responding
By:
feedthepony
When: 14 Sep 21 16:13
Only people who receive full pay for sickness have long covid - just a coincidence tho
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 16:25
escapee someobody posted a link to a govt report. Had the figures in black and white. Try Home Office or Ministry of health.

Non jabbers are dying, over 30 maybe 40% of Deaths are unvaccinated. most of the rest average age is 84.
By:
Escapee
When: 14 Sep 21 16:30
found this data on another thread, (from ONS ? not sure )

Vaccination status Deaths involving COVID-19 Non-COVID-19 deaths Percent of all deaths
All deaths regardless of vaccination status 51,281 214,701 19.3
Unvaccinated 38,964 65,170 37.4
Deaths within 21 days of first dose 4,388 14,265 23.5
Deaths 21 days or more after first dose 7,289 66,533 9.9
Deaths within 21 days of second dose 182 11,470 1.6
Deaths 21 days or more after second dose 458 57,263 0.8


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By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 16:34
That's the baby!

From January 1st this year so doubters can query but looks pretty straightforward to me and I am against the vax to a degree...but I have been double jabbed. Dont think I need the booster but will have it!
By:
feedthepony
When: 14 Sep 21 16:37
Since 1st of January - so before most of the vulnerable had had both their doses?

Are they counting the Quarter 1 deaths in their scare tactic - "40% of the deaths have been unvaccinated" - I bet they are
By:
feedthepony
When: 14 Sep 21 16:39
Should count it from the date ALL vulnerable people were offered both doses - and discount the unvaccinated deaths of the vulnerable who medically can't take it.

I.e. - an "unvaccinated" death should only be counted from the point the first dose was offered and refused.

But that wouldn't tell the story they want.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 16:43
I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made some moments ago!

Doubters gonna doubt! I concede the start and end date are very important.

BUT!

Unvaccinated 37.4

Average age 84

That's what I'm talkin'bout!
By:
feedthepony
When: 14 Sep 21 16:44
Cut the deaths into these boxes:

* Vaccinated - both doses received
* Semi Vaccinated - only 1 dose received - 2nd dose not yet due
* Semi-Vaccinated - only 1 dose received - 2nd dose overdue and not taken
* Unvaccinated - no vaccine doses offered yet (i'd offer good money the bulk of the 38k "unvaccinated deaths fit into this category)
* Unvaccinated - unable to vaccinate due to health of patient (very important to categorise this)
* Unvaccinated - vaccine has been offered and refused (This one will get nowhere near 1% of they published it)
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 16:44
Partic average age!

Let the children play!
By:
feedthepony
When: 14 Sep 21 16:49
Agree WhisperingDeath

Any adult who believes a child should take this vaccine to protect the adult population is a waste of oxygen anyway and a low life piece of cowardly scum
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 16:54
Bad enough the poor college students but teenagers ffs! Cotton wool parents are The Disease!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Sep 21 16:55
I do say I am not vax defender but it may have saved people my age!
By:
mafeking
When: 14 Sep 21 17:06
if you asked grandparents should their grandchildren take a new vaccine to protect them surely you'd get a massive majority for no. since when did society decide the young should take risks for the old ? always been the other way around
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 Sep 21 17:13
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britons-back-covid-vaccines-for-12-year-olds-poll-shows-5s2kvqrvn
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Polling here.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 14 Sep 21 17:17
what about 5 year olds? they're next
By:
lapsy pa
When: 14 Sep 21 18:15
Don't seem to be using the AZ jab except in maybe allergy cases and just pfizer and Moderna is the UK booster programme, odd.
By:
mafeking
When: 14 Sep 21 19:09
play the government at their own game and ask a massively leading question like their nonsense polls i.e. would you risk your grandson having heart complications to protect yourself ? easily get the desired answer then
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 Sep 21 19:37
It wasn't a government poll, nor was it a massively leading question.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 16 Sep 21 18:46
Escapee Joined: 27 Aug 04
Replies: 250014 Sep 21 14:43 
@Dr. Crippen,
You seem knowledgeable about some of the data so I'm wondering if you have a handle on a couple of things.
Do you have any of these figures from a reliable source?
...

3) Error rate of tests.... There are 30-40k positive tests daily, out of how many daily tests?
   if there are 1 million daily tests and the false positive rate is 3% then that would produce 30k positive results daily. (I've heard of 20-40% false positive rate but have no idea if that ball park is realistic)



This gives the answer;

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/caught-red-handed-cdc-changes-test-thresholds-virtually-eliminate-new-covid-cases-among
By:
nineteen points
When: 16 Sep 21 18:51
why are kids apparently just getting infected now that just about all adults are jabbed? a bit strange.
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 17 Sep 21 00:39
A bit Laugh.. Milking it Grin..
Most will have had it and never even knew
Pfizer & bio.. Are aiming for 5 billion doses next year .. $$$
van der Leyen .. One more year to implement final stages ..


Daft Punk - One More Time
By:
leif
When: 14 Oct 21 22:28
Shocked

By:
Giuseppe
When: 14 Oct 21 22:32
bit misleading that

3rd doses were started in response to surging cases

deaths lag behind cases by a few weeks, they were always going to rise

and deaths aren't that high in Israel, about 10-20 a day in a country of 9 million
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