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https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/16123559/kids-over-12-will-receive-a-single-dose-of-the-covid-jab/

KIDS over-12 WILL start being jabbed within days after health chiefs urged ministers to give them a single shot of Pfizer.

Prof Chris Whitty and the UK's other chief medical officers will lay out plans to vaccinate children aged 12-15 at a 4pm Downing St press briefing.

In a letter to Sajid Javid and his counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland they urged ministers to extend the rollout.

The Government said it will decide whether or not to accept the recommendations "shortly".

The medical experts' decision on "public health grounds" considers the impact on children's education as well as the risks to their mental health from missing school.

Currently only over-16s are being jabbed but there has been widespread pressure to extend the rollout to curb infection as pupils go back to school.

Vulnerable over-12s are already been jabbed but boffins at the JCVI - the vaccines body - refused to recommend all teens get their shots.

They said Covid is only a tiny risk to over-12s and vaccination would only offer a marginal benefit.

It meant the top docs in all four nations were forced to make the ruling - to be set out this afternoon around 4pm.

Prof Whitty and the chiefs said their decision was on "public health grounds" as it was "likely vaccination will help reduce transmission of Covid-19 in schools".

They added: "Covid-19 is a disease which can be very effectively transmitted by mass spreading events, especially with Delta variant.

"Having a significant proportion of pupils vaccinated is likely to reduce the probability of such events which are likely to cause local outbreaks in, or associated with, schools.

"They will also reduce the chance an individual child gets Covid-19. This means vaccination is likely to reduce (but not eliminate) education disruption."

The experts pored over data from the US, Canada and Israel which have already started jabbing over-12s.

There had been concerns kids were at a very small risk of heart inflammation from the vaccines.

Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi previously said kids could overrule their parents if they were reluctant about the jabs.

A Department of Health and Social Care spokesperson said: "We have received advice from the four UK Chief Medical Officers on offering COVID-19 vaccination to young people aged 12-15.

"We will set out the Government’s decision shortly."
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Report frog1000 September 13, 2021 3:14 PM BST
Disgraceful.
Report frog1000 September 13, 2021 3:15 PM BST
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021

JCVI advise appears to be ignored.
Report frog1000 September 13, 2021 3:19 PM BST
Overall, the committee is of the opinion that the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms (tables 1 to 4) but acknowledges that there is considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms. The margin of benefit, based primarily on a health perspective, is considered too small to support advice on a universal programme of vaccination of otherwise healthy 12 to 15-year-old children at this time. As longer-term data on potential adverse reactions accrue, greater certainty may allow for a reconsideration of the benefits and harms. Such data may not be available for several months.
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 3:39 PM BST
who could have predicted this?
Report Reynard September 13, 2021 3:52 PM BST
Giuseppe • September 13, 2021 3:39 PM BST
who could have predicted this?

Anybody could have predicted this but unfortunately very few of us did Sad
Report nineteen points September 13, 2021 3:58 PM BST
Only us conspiracy theorists predicted it,along with a few other things i might add.
Report wolf3011 September 13, 2021 4:09 PM BST
"As longer-term data on potential adverse reactions accrue, greater certainty may allow for a reconsideration of the benefits and harms."

not much use to those who have taken it early if this results in it being subsequently withdrawn for 12-15 year olds- shocking stuff but not surprising
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 13, 2021 4:16 PM BST
More leaks from Johnson plan.
Report wolf3011 September 13, 2021 4:19 PM BST
The main reason cited for doing it is " disruption in education" but it isn't covid disrupting education, it's the draconian covid policies and irrational hysteria to a virus that doesn't affect kids where schools are closed for no reason
Report Reynard September 13, 2021 4:22 PM BST
BOOOOOOOOOM !!!!! Wolf3011 nail on the head Crazy
Report frog1000 September 13, 2021 4:42 PM BST
The vaccine is likely to be given in schools and parents will be asked to give consent.

Although if a child and parent are of opposing views and the child is considered competent to decide, the child will have the final say.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58547659
Report frog1000 September 13, 2021 4:43 PM BST
These are kids that have already been told to fear things like 'climate change'.

The pressure on 12 year children to oppose their parents and conform and have a jab could be big.
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 4:49 PM BST
thank you to the 90% of the population who got vaccinated and allowed us to open up and move past covid
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 4:50 PM BST
Irish paper front page today: specialist in St James's Hospital reckons all kids under 12 will have caught covid by the spring

government wants to start ending mass testing

concern among experts due to surge in cases among kids etc.
Report Cider September 13, 2021 4:51 PM BST
quoted on another thread

A bombshell impact assessment produced by HM Revenue and Customs for the Treasury warned that one effect of the 1.25 percentage point tax increase "may be an impact on family formation, stability or breakdown as individuals, who are currently just about managing financially, will see their disposable income reduce".

you couldn't make it up
Report shiny new shoes please September 13, 2021 4:54 PM BST
September 13, 2021 3:58 PM BST
Written in the stars

Keep them coming ExcitedLaugh
Report shiny new shoes please September 13, 2021 5:01 PM BST
St James's Hospital
The world most expensive , infested , dump ,lots of Listeria , buyer beware

Some staff are great thou ExcitedLaugh
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 5:09 PM BST
lol the vaccine is perfectly safe for kids which is why we're only giving them one dose
Report Johnny The Guesser September 13, 2021 5:55 PM BST
Freedom of choice or state control - Thought you guys would be pleased.
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 5:57 PM BST
the state is in control and all kids will be vaxxed
Report Johnny The Guesser September 13, 2021 5:58 PM BST
Hardly is it ? ..making stuff up again.
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 5:59 PM BST
unvaccinated kids will be sanctioned
Report Johnny The Guesser September 13, 2021 6:01 PM BST
Each family can sit down and reach their own decision based on their own particular circumstances - What can be fairer than that ?
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 6:07 PM BST
they will do whatever it takes to get all kids vaccinated

this is an evolving situation, stay tuned
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 6:08 PM BST
as long as people are testing positive and dying more and more sanctions will be considered
Report Johnny The Guesser September 13, 2021 6:13 PM BST
More and more sanctions ? - the UK has been back to normal for 2 months.

All this stargazing about what you think is going to happen , when it doesn't you just move onto the next doom and gloom prediction.
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 6:15 PM BST
i think unvaccinated kids in UK schools are already treated differently regarding having to isolate if in close contact etc.

boris is already starting to backtrack over covid passoports: it is clear that is cases rises he will introduce them
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 6:16 PM BST
aren't there already covid passorts in scotland?
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 6:18 PM BST
here's my prediction: cases will rise and Whitty's solution will be giving adults a third jab and vaccinating all kids

the amount of sanctions introduced will depend on the vaccine uptake
Report frog1000 September 13, 2021 6:19 PM BST
If they say kids with one jab can ignore isolation and kids with no vax have to isolate and stay off school if been in contact with Covid then it is no choice.

It would be a simple divide and conquer strategy.

If just one child dies as a result of this it is on those who went against the JCVI.
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 6:19 PM BST
If cases rise? I think its When cases rise

That's how a virus works I guess, drops when they need a certain narrative talking point, rises when they need a certain agenda talking point

Plain
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 6:22 PM BST
frog

Its all divide and conquer, I think it goes over the line when they start bringing kids into it, its bad enough but slightly fair game if its us adults BSing each other, but these crackpots are using kids against parents

The end, I will be off to my local police station soon to read them their rights, either against us or with us, if against us your dead

And I will tell them that straight to their fooking faces as well, if they decide to bang me up I'm going to cause merry hell you can be sure of that, I'll cause a prison breakout
Report saddo September 13, 2021 6:25 PM BST
Are you Wolfie Smith ?  Laugh
Report Johnny The Guesser September 13, 2021 6:27 PM BST
Ummm ..the CMOs in the UK or this..? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tough choice.
Report edy September 13, 2021 6:28 PM BST
DIVIDE AND CONQUER
Report frog1000 September 13, 2021 6:31 PM BST
Who you think at better judges JTG the independent JCVI or the CMOs?
Report Johnny The Guesser September 13, 2021 6:34 PM BST
The JCVI said the vaccine had marginal medical benefits if you read and report their statement correctly. They rule on medical grounds alone (as far as i understand) and do not take into account , missed school, social life , mental health issues. The CMOs take all matters into account.
Report Cider September 13, 2021 6:37 PM BST
Ironic that Whitty only looked at covid and not all matters into account. Up until it came to vaxxing people that don't need it. Now he's looking at all matters apart from covid to justify it.
Report Cider September 13, 2021 6:39 PM BST
Like shutting schools and recommending kids didn't mix for months. Now he claims he's concerned about that. Yes you couldn't make it up.
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 6:40 PM BST
Saddo

You'll see, you wont be taking the p*ss when it kicks off, its guys like you that have got us into this mess, utterly spineless sh*t ar*ses
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 6:41 PM BST
blood will be spilled either mine or there's I don't care which to be honest
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 6:43 PM BST
Sitting down taking the michael as scum have infiltrated your government and done this to your society, and you sit there on your backside still taking the michael its pathetic, saddo

Grow a set of balls you pathetic prat
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 6:45 PM BST
Media going round taking down posts they don't like, idiots sitting in their arm chair taking the michael, idiots whining because their "freedoms" are being taken away but don't do sod all about it

My first real adventure out is going to be 10 downing street, I'd really like to know what's inside that building Silly like really ?

What the heck do they do in there?
Report Charlie September 13, 2021 6:55 PM BST
It's a good thing.
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 7:14 PM BST
All it takes is 5 million to change this, the majority are spineless and wont do a thing about anything

5 million invade the government buildings and it would all change over night

Get 5 million together, get the right man on the mic and it would change pretty damn quickly
Report Charlie September 13, 2021 7:15 PM BST

Sep 13, 2021 -- 1:14PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


All it takes is 5 million to change this, the majority are spineless and wont do a thing about anything 5 million invade the government buildings and it would all change over night Get 5 million together, get the right man on the mic and it would change pretty damn quickly


Dream on you tw@t.

Report nineteen points September 13, 2021 8:32 PM BST
Any need for that?
Report Mexico September 13, 2021 8:43 PM BST
Lol Sont.

The shiny hat flatearthers can’t get anywhere near 5 million votes in a general election. Yet you think 5 million might risk getting shot or going to jail for years to start a revolution against a democratic elected government.

What drugs are you on ss?
Report JML September 13, 2021 9:33 PM BST
They'll probably organise it on a day you have to sign on SS--you'll miss all the action.
Report politicspunter September 13, 2021 9:34 PM BST

Sep 13, 2021 -- 3:33PM, JML wrote:


They'll probably organise it on a day you have to sign on SS--you'll miss all the action.


LaughLaughLaugh

Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 9:37 PM BST
No army or cop will defend those rats when I'm done having a word
Report politicspunter September 13, 2021 9:42 PM BST
Will he be able to get out of bed to cash his giro though?
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 9:42 PM BST
Bare in mind its these t*ats that send them off to fight in wars and yet they don't have the decency to talk with them when they come home, they refuse to talk with their families when one of them is killed, s*it stirring bas*ards

And they never even get to go in 10 downing street or get a tour around Buckingham palace for their troubles either? they've fought for king and country and they don't even get to visit the places they were essentially protecting?

I'll get in their ears don't you about that
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 9:44 PM BST
Why would you protect the people who don't even have the respect to talk with you? don't have your back on the field of battle?

Why would you put your trust in people like that?

I'll have their backs Happy I'll ride right alongside them as we head to downing street Happy
Report Mexico September 13, 2021 9:51 PM BST
Ss

Time to lay off the drugs.


The guys in the army chose that career, we don’t have national service/ conscription.
They get paid, they have a pension.

5 million, lol . Won’t need the army to protect the government from the flatearther’s revolution.
5 million??  would struggle to get 50 people to risk their lives and a good chance would go to prison.
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 9:55 PM BST
No army big enough to stop a sudden hit on parliament much less an actual invasion ffs

They want you to believe they've got it all covered and they can stop "terrorist attacks" on a dime
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 9:59 PM BST
"UK wide booster jab plan to start with over 50s who will be offered a single pfizer dose" Remember... it was "just a mask"

"Parental consent will be sought for the programme for children aged 12-15" < Even though last week they said kids will get final choice...

Can't you see yet?

You really are a stupid bunch of bas*ards
Report JML September 13, 2021 10:01 PM BST
Your own mother laughed at you when you told her not to get vaccinated.
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:03 PM BST
Well then she's stupid as well

Remember... "its just a mask" and "flatten the curve"... and the virus isn't even killing anyone young and healthy
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:05 PM BST
Anyone suffering from it are fat and bone idle

Some bloke was calling me selfish, he was stuggling to breath... he was 22 stone and 3 chins, doesn't do any exercise, sits on his ar*se in an office all day, eats junk etc etc

A fat bone idle ball of flubber
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:06 PM BST
But we're suppose to protect those sorts? feck that
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:09 PM BST
Get of your a*se and do exercise, stop eating maccie ds, cut out some of the sugar, and you may get a bit more healthy

Fat waste of skins
Report Mexico September 13, 2021 10:09 PM BST
Oh dear SS.

It won’t be a 5 million revolution because nobody can be bothered by you silly idea.

It won’t be a “sudden hit” because the flatearthers will be posting plans all over internet, then come in on public transport, or probably could fit everybody involved in the back of a black cab.

Why would people risk many years in jail or getting shot for nothing.
5 million lol, 50 is probably an over estimate.
Report shiny new shoes please September 13, 2021 10:10 PM BST
3_chinsExcitedLaugh
BAD MANNERS - LIP UP FATTY
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:10 PM BST
The best way to beat them is to tell them what your going to do
Report politicspunter September 13, 2021 10:12 PM BST
SS, nineteen says it's your turn to beg with the paper costa cup now.
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:14 PM BST
Waste of time planning anything just get down there, tell them to leave and if they don't you go in and make them

"elected government" its really got you far this game hasn't it Laugh
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:14 PM BST
Basically you've kept on voting and got to the stage where they do what they want
Report shiny new shoes please September 13, 2021 10:19 PM BST
Vive la révolution
Sons Of Anarchy-Burn it to the ground

Voting . like writing a letter to Santa Laugh
Report SontaranStratagem September 13, 2021 10:22 PM BST
I'm still a little miffed how no one questions the fact its always one way traffic with the narrative

Its almost as if its designed to make people just give up because it gives off the "its happening anyway" vibes

I think its enough to make the sanest man snap ffs
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 10:32 PM BST
sonts is a bit daft but he's a good lad

much better person that the other horrible ****wits posting on here
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 10:34 PM BST
"SS, nineteen says it's your turn to beg with the paper costa cup now."

punter is the type of person who laughs at the homeless
Report shiny new shoes please September 13, 2021 10:40 PM BST
Health i.d. For all kids 5+
Or no \/
Portugal. The Man - Feel It Still
Report Giuseppe September 13, 2021 10:45 PM BST
what about kids under 5?

are there immune from covid or something?

it will be no consolation to me if i die from covid that i got it from an under 5 year old
Report shiny new shoes please September 13, 2021 11:38 PM BST
no consolation , fauci wants 2year olds + COVID-19 vaccine available for kids under 12 by the end of the year.ExcitedWink
*The "zorb". Wink
clue in video \/
Vance Joy - 'Riptide'
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 12:03 AM BST
what about kids under 2?
Report shiny new shoes please September 14, 2021 12:13 AM BST
Lots of men shooting blanks .. Won't be a problem in time Wink
Report SontaranStratagem September 14, 2021 12:48 AM BST
They want to babies up the moment they come out their mothers Plain

Fauci was on record saying the other week
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 12:49 AM BST
are they vaccinating pregnant women?

i could have sworn i saw a pregnant woman when i was getting mine
Report SontaranStratagem September 14, 2021 12:53 AM BST
I had a nightmare last night I had one, I also had sleep paralysis during it as well (being semi conscious but unable to move), it was horrible, it confirms I wont be following you though because even my sub conscious is against it hence the nightmare its a positive sign
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 12:57 AM BST
i felt like **** for about a week after my second jab

fever, muscle pain, light headed, wobbly legs, no energy
Report shiny new shoes please September 14, 2021 1:14 AM BST
*Common for most , but can result in death !
New York city has fallen
the city has begun enforcement.people age 12 and older show proof they have had at least one Covid-19 vaccine dose for indoor dining, indoor fitness activities and indoor entertainment, including movie theaters, concert venues, museums and sports arenas.
Adolf is shocked ExcitedLaugh
Report shiny new shoes please September 14, 2021 1:32 AM BST
Ponder this !
If somebody is forced to be vaccinated to access /\ and they become ill or worse or die
someone should be held responsible , seek legal advise
Report SontaranStratagem September 14, 2021 2:41 AM BST
Giuseppe

I'm glad your fine mate, but you'll need more jabs now because your immune system will be weakened

None of us win in this game, you get the jabs you are then tied to their jabs forever, you don't get the jab your ostracised and excluded from society

No one wins their game
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 3:06 AM BST
i don't want a third jab
Report SontaranStratagem September 14, 2021 3:12 AM BST
Sadly you'll need to giuseppe, your immune system wont fight anything after 2 jabs its very borderline Sad

You could try to detoxify but 2 jabs was always a weird start, 2 jabs over 4 weeks was just strange to me

Anyone getting the 3rd is basically tying themselves down for life, 2 jabs I just don't know its basically how the immune system has responded I guess, 1 jab I'd say you had a good chance of getting out the system
Report SontaranStratagem September 14, 2021 3:13 AM BST
I'd actually predict the one's who got the response from the jab are pretty much done for, that would have the immune system being attacked
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 3:23 AM BST
the one consolation for me is that if i'm ****, everyone else is too
Report Giuseppe September 14, 2021 3:23 AM BST
f ucked
Report SontaranStratagem September 14, 2021 1:39 PM BST
No one wins this game

You get the jabs you snuff it, you don't get the jab you snuff it

Death for our vehicle for the spirit is a certainty

I hope its a nice death but I'll be getting another vehicle anyway so I could care less
Report shiny new shoes please September 14, 2021 2:06 PM BST
Totalitarian government wins
Pharma win
Tech win
Media got a boost win
Rebuilding brand in chemical drugs ..from lowest point ever ..half  win

Fact checkers fail
World wide governments fail

Circuit breakers .. Comedy
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