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politicspunter
09 Sep 21 23:07
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Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 12:14 AM BST
i wish he had showed this type of determination in fighting the taliban
Report casemoney September 10, 2021 1:35 AM BST
Joe will sadly soon require assistance himself , if he is not already getting it
Report saddo September 10, 2021 9:42 AM BST
Nearing the time for a fightback I think, tipping point soon.
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 9:50 AM BST
It's hard to see what options Biden had left. Cases, hospitalisations and deaths are rising rapidly, threatening to overwhelm the health system and have a direct effect on the employment sector. There is a hardcore 25% of Americans who are refusing to be vaccinated for a number of reasons. Those may be religious, fear of the vaccination or people that are taking horse wormer tablets in the false belief it can save them. Biden had to step up and he has done what needed to be done.
Report A_T September 10, 2021 10:03 AM BST
a no-brainer really. anti-vaxxers are a real menace over there - supported by some polticians too.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 10, 2021 10:31 AM BST
Darwin in action, little that
Biden can do to stop dodos extincting
themselves
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 10:38 AM BST
Of course, putting on my betting hat, the vast majority of folks passing away in the states are non vaxxed Trump/Republican supporters. In some battleground states where the result can be decided by 1%, it certainly could affect the results.
Report A_T September 10, 2021 10:43 AM BST
the anti-vaxxers have chosen their own paths - good luck to them - but they shouldn't be allowed to infect everyone else willy-nilly
Report nineteen points September 10, 2021 10:47 AM BST
2 hats on today AT?PP?

more jabs more cases
more cases more lockdowns

Tell me i am wrong.
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 10:49 AM BST
Why aren't you out looking for a job?
Report A_T September 10, 2021 10:50 AM BST
what do you mean? can you explain that more clearly?
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 10:59 AM BST
Does anyone know which is best - a person who goes to work who is vaccinated but has covid and doesn’t know , or a person who is not vaccinated and stays off work sick ?
Report A_T September 10, 2021 11:13 AM BST
CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html


but what does the CDC know? much better you get your information from youtube and TV personalities on GB News
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 11:18 AM BST
That’s not the issue the question is which is the better policy to stop the spread of Covid
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 11:22 AM BST
Obviously the risks for the individual are less if they are vaccinated
But the thread is about the general overall risk to the population
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 11:25 AM BST
More dangerous to have vaccinated people with Covid in work
Or unvaccinated people off sick and not in work ?
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 11:27 AM BST
Yep, GB News excelled themselves by bringing in archaeologist Neil Oliver to give his views on vaccines. What on earth could they have been thinking?
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 10, 2021 11:28 AM BST
I'm staying on the fence till Right Said Fred have told me what they think.
Report brentford September 10, 2021 11:30 AM BST
Feels a very draconian policy for a limited gain and plenty of potentially negative fallouts from it...might even be some constitutional controversies to be overcome..
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 11:30 AM BST
I'm too sexy for a vax
Too sexy for a vax
Report therhino September 10, 2021 11:37 AM BST
the vast majority of folks passing away in the states are non vaxxed Trump/Republican supporters.

Prove it please.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 10, 2021 11:38 AM BST
I'm too sexy for my lungs
Too sexy for my lungs
They're filling with gunge
Report brentford September 10, 2021 11:48 AM BST
of course the Texas governor and his like having seen the dangers of abolishing free choice will no doubt be keen to have another thought about abortion laws...
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 11:52 AM BST

Sep 10, 2021 -- 5:37AM, therhino wrote:


the vast majority of folks passing away in the states are non vaxxed Trump/Republican supporters.Prove it please.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-demographic-breakdown-vaccinated-u-s-n1277514

This is a fair reflection. Unvaccinated are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid..

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html

It stands to reason that if Republicans are much less likely to be vaccinated than Democrats, then Republicans are much more likely to be hospitalized and sadly pass.

Report therhino September 10, 2021 11:59 AM BST
Fair play for coming back with a link but I do not believe the NBC news poll is worth more than a grain of salt.
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 12:00 PM BST
If I give you polling from a completely separate source, would that convince you?
Report therhino September 10, 2021 12:05 PM BST
Maybe, depends on the source. I would suspect it's weighted that way but I reject the idea that they are polling the political preference of those in hospital with Covid on death's door.

Excuse me sir, but before you lose the ability to speak on your way to the afterlife, can you tell me who you voted for in the last election and I'll grab you some more ice chips?
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 12:07 PM BST
It's pointless giving you more polls if they believe they are fixed in some way.
Report therhino September 10, 2021 12:10 PM BST
All good. Not looking for an argument either, was just taken aback by the wording of your post. Enjoy your day.
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 12:18 PM BST
No problem.
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 12:20 PM BST
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates-is-growing/

Here is another one anyway.
Report eyeball September 10, 2021 12:31 PM BST
The politics of Los Angeles County leans Democratic. Los Angeles County has voted Democratic in every Presidential election since 1988, with every Democratic nominee winning the county by a margin of at least 25 points since 1992.
Report nineteen points September 10, 2021 1:19 PM BST
He will be putting yougov polls up next LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 1:27 PM BST
Does the dole know that you spend all day on here rather than looking for a job?
Report Reynard September 10, 2021 1:31 PM BST
politicspunter • September 10, 2021 10:49 AM BST

A_T • September 10, 2021 10:50 AM BST

Getting this switchy thing down to a fine art now Laugh
Report nineteen points September 10, 2021 2:00 PM BST
yougov polls and AT/PP

The 2 biggest lying machines out there.

Serious question AT/PP,are you nadhim zahawi?
Report A_T September 10, 2021 2:02 PM BST
nineteen points do you believe the moon-landings were faked?
Report A_T September 10, 2021 2:03 PM BST
Serious question AT/PP,are you nadhim zahawi?


can only speak for myself and the answer is no
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 2:07 PM BST
"In some battleground states where the result can be decided by 1%, it certainly could affect the results."

I think state with the highest per capita death rate is New Jersey

even there, only 0.26% of the population have died
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 2:08 PM BST
consider also that the vast majority of these people would have died anyway by 2024
Report dave1357 September 10, 2021 2:19 PM BST
In the USA, seven of the top ten most Covid infected states have republican governors, six of the least infected states have democrat governors. It's pretty clear the GOP is now the party of disease and ignorance.
Report nineteen points September 10, 2021 2:20 PM BST
And sweden dave?
Report saddo September 10, 2021 2:25 PM BST
My daughter and her partner both double jabbed both have got the vid. It's a virus and will get just about everybody, and kill the weakest. Possibly time to stop bothering about case numbers if people aren't really ill. Daughter and partner have cold like symptoms, 10 days off work.
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 2:27 PM BST
dave you are cherry picking stats

if we list the states by per capita deaths New Jersey (Dem) is first and Rhode Island (Dem) is third

6 of the top 11 have Democrat governors
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 2:28 PM BST
what vaccine did they get saddo?

there is a theory now that AZ is better than Pfizer in terms of lasting protection
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 10, 2021 2:31 PM BST
Case numbers tell us how the
virus is spreading.

Vaxxes have made people far
less likely to become seriously ill.

So the same number of cases leads
to fewer deaths.

Test and trace should still be
a major part of our defence against
the spread.
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 2:31 PM BST

Sep 10, 2021 -- 8:19AM, dave1357 wrote:


In the USA, seven of the top ten most Covid infected states have republican governors, six of the least infected states have democrat governors. It's pretty clear the GOP is now the party of disease and ignorance.


Yes. Also, by cases, 6 of the top 9 states are election battlegrounds.

Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 2:36 PM BST
"Vaxxes have made people far
less likely to become seriously ill."

it doesn't matter, most people aren't going to get seriously ill
Report A_T September 10, 2021 2:38 PM BST
nineteen points do you believe the moon-landings were faked?
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 2:39 PM BST
i do
Report nineteen points September 10, 2021 2:43 PM BST
AT/PP yes i do.next idiotic question.
Report JetLoneStar September 10, 2021 2:58 PM BST
Horse dewormer - check
Thinking vaxxed cant spread covid - check
Attempted strawman - check


god the sheep are so predictable LaughLaughLaugh
Report A_T September 10, 2021 2:59 PM BST
amazing how many anti-vaxxers also believe the moon-landings were faked Grin
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 3:00 PM BST
Or that Trump had the election stolen from him Laugh
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:00 PM BST
lol where are the stars
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:01 PM BST
It difficult to compare states in America . If California has a population of 100 and 10 Covid deaths
And another state has a population of 10 and 2,Covid deaths - what does that mean ?
It’s possible that California has been less successful in combating Covid
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 3:02 PM BST
You have a situation in America now where 25% or so of the population are not going to be vaccinated under any circumstances. Their future doesn't look promising.
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:06 PM BST
"Their future doesn't look promising."

lol as opposed to europe where everyone including kids are going to get mandatory vaccines every 5-6 months for the rest of their lives
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:07 PM BST
those US states will reach herd immunity faster than europe
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:09 PM BST
A bigger population ? well that could mean you have a greater chance to get things right( or wrong )
But the very numbers tend towards a fairly accurate reflection
If there are not big numbers , just a much smaller population then there can be quite a good chance that luck and fortune or some other factor unknown plays a part - and shews the results
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:10 PM BST
about 1,000 people a day are dying in the US

equivalent to about 200 in the UK

UK, with much higher vaccination numbers, is on about 100 a day

this is what we're talking about: the difference between 100 and 200 a day dying

neither number is particularly high

UK was 1,500 deaths a day at one point
Report JetLoneStar September 10, 2021 3:14 PM BST
"Their future doesn't look promising"


Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:15 PM BST
India have frfeited test against Englandw whats that all about?
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:18 PM BST
Certainly Biden should be grateful for the Trump vaccine
Without that the bodies would be piled high
Report A_T September 10, 2021 3:18 PM BST
their players are 10 days away from a massive pay day in the Indian Premier League - none of them wanted to risk missing it by catching COVID
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:22 PM BST
Now the vaccine was produced under a republican government in record time - get things done Biden we are not going to accept any excuses sorry
Report A_T September 10, 2021 3:26 PM BST
what should be done with the 25% who won't have it?
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:30 PM BST
This is what he does , either this vaccine works now as is and with those who will not be vaccinated , that’s fine . Or  he gets to work and invests quickly in improving the vaccine
Shouldn’t be a problem - hurry up
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:31 PM BST
We will give him 2 years at most
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 3:32 PM BST

Sep 10, 2021 -- 9:26AM, A_T wrote:


what should be done with the 25% who won't have it?


Sadly, many of them won't be with us in the future. However, that is entirely their choice.

Report A_T September 10, 2021 3:33 PM BST
lfc what should Biden do with the 25% who won't have it?
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 3:34 PM BST
You can encourage, cajole, place all the facts before them in black and white, but if they still choose not to be vaccinated they must accept that their employment, social and travel options will be limited.
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:35 PM BST
Trump and the republicans produced the vaccine

Let’s see what Biden and the Dems produce ....
Report lfc1971 September 10, 2021 3:35 PM BST
He shouldn’t do anything - that’s their choice
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 3:37 PM BST
It looks certain that it will lead to a rise in USA unemployment, at least in the shorter term, as anti vaxxers are fired.
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:39 PM BST
"Sadly, many of them won't be with us in the future. However, that is entirely their choice."

infection fatality rate of covid is probably less than 1 in 300 for unvaccinated people
Report A_T September 10, 2021 3:41 PM BST
Let’s see what Biden and the Dems produce ....


the new administration has been producing huge quantities of the vaccines. Well done Mr President!
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:42 PM BST
"You can encourage, cajole, place all the facts before them in black and white, but if they still choose not to be vaccinated they must accept that their employment, social and travel options will be limited."

this guy is literally a psychopath
Report saddo September 10, 2021 3:43 PM BST
politicspunter 10 Sep 21 14:32 
Sep 10, 2021 -- 2:26PM, A_T wrote:

what should be done with the 25% who won't have it?


Sadly, many of them won't be with us in the future. However, that is entirely their choice.

.............................................

Absolute tosh, the majority of em will be under 60 and will be here longer than you
Report politicspunter September 10, 2021 3:45 PM BST
Crazy increase in cases yesterday particularly in Texas (402 new deaths), Florida and Ohio.
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:45 PM BST
maybe 1 in 300 is too low

certainly less than 1 in 100
Report Corky September 10, 2021 3:47 PM BST
The only good thing about this pandemic is that it has brought out into the open those who would have been low level minions in the the third reich. Happy to ask for papers and send their neighbours off to the camps with a cheery wave. IMO
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 3:52 PM BST
the 7 day average rate in Texas is about 200

equivalent of about 33 in Scotland (Texas has six times the population of Scotland)

10 people a day are dying in Scotland

why are 10 people a day dying in Scotland when they are doing everything right?
Report shiny new shoes please September 10, 2021 4:05 PM BST
Just reset everything,everyone ..
Comedy gold
Report shiny new shoes please September 10, 2021 4:08 PM BST
Lady Reset
Report shiny new shoes please September 10, 2021 4:12 PM BST
Someone once said "the new normal"
ExcitedLaugh
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