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The government is expected to announce a shake-up of the HGV driver testing process as soon as Thursday.

It wants to fast track drivers into the haulage industry amid chronic shortages which have caused supply problems.

The BBC understands that during meetings between government officials, hauliers and suppliers, the "penny finally dropped" that the driver shortage was getting worse not better.

The government said meetings with affected groups were ongoing.

It added any change in policy would be announced in due course
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Report nineteen points September 8, 2021 7:33 PM BST
What could possibly go wrong?
Report macarony September 8, 2021 7:37 PM BST
In other words now we are out of the EU the test I'd going back to normal 1 test car to HGV
Report nineteen points September 8, 2021 7:42 PM BST
They are going to let 12 to 15 year olds drive them if they feel they can.
Report macarony September 8, 2021 7:44 PM BST
They already do in Ireland
Report 1st time poster September 8, 2021 8:06 PM BST
Yeh saw the 1st successful candidate on tv last night wiped out 2 gatehouses and a multiple pile up ,trying to do a right turn
Report nineteen points September 8, 2021 8:26 PM BST
Where do they stand on U turns?
Report thegiggilo September 8, 2021 8:32 PM BST
The tories are just doing all sorts of random sh1t basicaly because they have fcuked everything,the same with NI  everyone knows its a pile of sh1t bar the ones looking forwards to their inheritance,it's absolutely nuts..They are totally out of control on everything and we have an electorate that are either deliberately letting them or to subervient and braiwashed..
Report saddo September 8, 2021 8:38 PM BST
Certainly brainwashed with the covid propaganda. Even the most rabid Tory haters have believed them over that, and supported the ridiculous curbs on our lives.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 8, 2021 8:44 PM BST
I saw that 1tp, plenty more
if the tory taxes lower standards
on the roads.
Report nineteen points September 8, 2021 9:05 PM BST
Strange how folk pick up on every slip up,lie,con etc the tories trot out,yet when it comes to covid they hang on their every word.
Report 1st time poster September 9, 2021 5:29 AM BST
thats maybe because millions have seen results of covid at 1st hand and dont need gov or anyone else to explain it to them
Report nineteen points September 9, 2021 8:09 AM BST
i havent.just seen what i have been fed on the govts msm channels.i,and everybody i know must of been lucky then.
Report Facts September 9, 2021 12:00 PM BST
thegiggilo 08 Sep 21 19:32 
The tories are just doing all sorts of random sh1t basicaly because they have fcuked everything,the same with NI  everyone knows its a pile of sh1t bar the ones looking forwards to their inheritance,it's absolutely nuts..They are totally out of control on everything and we have an electorate that are either deliberately letting them or to subervient and braiwashed..


Totally agree. Johnson and his Cabinet are a total shambles.
This government is led by an abject liar and followed by sycophantic sheep.
Report Corky September 10, 2021 4:21 PM BST
" nineteen points

i havent.just seen what i have been fed on the govts msm channels.i,and everybody i know must of been lucky then."

You're right. If you didn't watch the news you wouldn't know there was a pandemic. A few relatives , friends with cold symptoms. It's hardly the plague with bodies being collected in carts every morning.
Report impossible123 September 10, 2021 4:56 PM BST
It's only logical. What is the harm of expediating a HGV test if the test is stringent and applicant competent? There's a shortage of HGV drivers not only in the UK but elsewhere too. It's prudence and astute as long as the test is not watered-down.

Just remember to pay the examiners a bonus for the extra workload.
Report SontaranStratagem September 10, 2021 7:06 PM BST
This is another baffling contradiction to the agendas we're currently seeing though

Basically this is a uturn on fuel banning ? I'm starting to believe we're witnessing 2 opposition elites trying to wrestle control over the population and this is just a part of it

Because why would you try to ban fuel but then start whacking out 50,000 HGV per year? its baffling
Report impossible123 September 11, 2021 7:20 AM BST
This (u-turn) is to correct the present shortage of HGV drivers. Should this phenomenon over correct itself quicker than is expected I'm sure natural wastage and redeployment would be envisaged soon after. A fuel ban on certain populated routes is not a bad thing in theory, practicality is another though; sufficient charging points located in public places, and monumental costs upgrading present bulk of vehicles are two significant obstacles for central and local government to tackle.
Report Dr Crippen September 11, 2021 11:13 AM BST
This is what happens when you lock the country down.

All the training and testing stopped as well.
Report saddo September 11, 2021 11:17 AM BST
It did, but if you fully supported all those restrictions you have to blame brexit instead
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 11, 2021 12:23 PM BST
Here's my take. Know you've been waiting.


Brexit does have a part to play in this. It's inevitable. This was an industry that was heavily reliant on foreign labour, and so any policy decisions that persuaded that labour to try its luck elsewhere is going to leave a hole. Empty shelves though are - imo - more a symptom of JIT failing rather than lack of drivers specifically. We've built an entire system based on efficiency. That's now at an end.

Covid also plays a part. It's accelerated the evacuations and slowed down the whole process/world.

Now we're desperately looking round at ways to catch up. Hence, allowing HGV drivers on the road who haven't learnt how to reverse a truck. Don't know if anyone's seen a yard but reversing is pretty vital.


Anyway, here's my thinking though. You don't fix this with money. It'll help but only a bit. The problem you've got is undoing the negative press.

We've spent the last 15 years demonising immigrants as spongers. Deriding the jobs they do as awful; they're poorly treated, they live in squalor and are only here because the money is better than what they can earn back in their hovel of a hometown.

That's been the consistent narrative. Trucking has been overtaken by cheap foreigners who are happy to put up with the sh!t because it's better than their other alternatives.


And now all of a sudden, we wonder why Brits aren't rushing out to replace them. You spend 15 years telling everyone that the job is sh!t then don't expect them to want to have a go themselves.

You can't just badmouth immigrants and say that the jobs they are doing are subhuman and not expect people to remember that.

That's where we're at now.
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 12:02 PM BST
I hate the supermarket shop ,almost as much as the lefties on here who think Brexit is a right wing policy ,when clearly it isn't. So I shop at long intervals but buy a lot ,particularly dreading today........shortages and panic buying ,so rocked up this morning ,determined to be tolerant and buy sparingly. I know only my list and one supermarket but got every item and no empty shelves.
I am sure this will grieve the gloaters but you still have those corkers........roaming charges and milk shakes at maccy ds to continue the draining gloat with.
Report politicspunter September 12, 2021 12:06 PM BST
Plenty of empty spaces at my supermarket (tesco), too numerous to mention.
Report lapsy pa September 12, 2021 2:14 PM BST
The head of the food and drink federation thinks the shortages are liable to be permanent.
Report politicspunter September 12, 2021 2:17 PM BST
My supermarket are also using the "fill the gaps with clothes " approach. They have taken away the areas usually reserved for special offers, ie centres of aisles/plinths etc and shoved a rack or two of sales clothes in their places.
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 2:43 PM BST
The head of the food and drink fed' would also certainly be a member of the CBI the ultra conservative remainer lobbyists ,who would probably say anything for a cheap pool of labour he can throw pennies at.
Report macarony September 12, 2021 3:16 PM BST
Brexit does have a part to play in this. It's inevitable. This was an industry that was heavily reliant on foreign labo


No the vast majority of drivers are Brits and secondly very few of the EU drivers went home most are still here despite the middle class style headlines
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 12, 2021 4:18 PM BST
And what about all the jobs done by foreign based drivers doing foreigners while here? That pretty much stopped overnight and was a decent sized portion of the daily haulage total.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK September 12, 2021 4:27 PM BST
Surly bus drivers be leaving there post
To grab HGV name your price job
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 5:20 PM BST
Indeed they will ,as will white van man as the pay differential between van and HGV had been eroded over time ,also forward thinking employers will invest in putting personnel through training once more ,it is a Brexit win tempered by the short term inconvenience.
Still a bit of scaremongering and induce a bit of panic buying works for some.
Report lapsy pa September 12, 2021 5:24 PM BST
But the government are admitting there are problems Flat
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 5:37 PM BST
There are problems caused by years of neglect ,in many similar trades.
Wages were suppressed by the available cheap labour pool ,the realignment will be sorted in time ,simply by "market forces".......higher pay ,there are things the government are doing to speed it up also.
This realignment is happening rapidly in construction were pay rates were flat for 30+ years.
Many of the arguments on here  ,as well as elsewhere ,are against "higher wages" and "cheap food" such devils' work.
When I was an employer I could take on a highly motivated ,bilingual ,motivated graduate for muchv less than a local ,snotty ,spotty  ,uneducated scrot .This is a great position for an employer but dreadful long term for youth unemployment ,long term employment etc etc ,ask Espana.
Report impossible123 September 12, 2021 6:24 PM BST
Maybe some bus drivers, black cab drivers and driving instructors could retrain to be HGV drivers. They already possess a higher level of highway code knowledge and driving standard which is a plus to becoming a HGV drivers.

Just stop blaming Brexit for every misfortune the country encounters since. Can one not see they are not UK specific? The 6m+ EU nationals deciding to remain in the UK is clear testament why the UK is still the country of choice. The only shame is the knockers of the UK are not neutralising is influx of EU nationals.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 12, 2021 6:28 PM BST
Got nothing against higher wages. Problem is the simple reality of where the money comes from.

(Got to wonder at what truckers think they're worth though. I don't know a single one who's on less than £40k. Is £50k enough?)

But yeah, where does the money come from. Hauliers already work to very tight margins. So do - as one example - food producers supplying big supermarkets. And those big supermarkets remain uber-capitalists and aren't just going to shrug their shoulders and take a hit on their bottom line.

The only place this comes from ultimately is in price increases to customers.
Report 1st time poster September 12, 2021 6:36 PM BST
lots of both uk and eu drivers were on IR 35 a way of making poorly paid jobs go a little further the ending of that in uk has hit jobs like hgv driving,even if they allowed some eu drivers in not many would be interested without ir 35 unless rate had gone up 20% plus
Report macarony September 12, 2021 6:41 PM BST
And what about all the jobs done by foreign based drivers doing foreigners while here? That pretty much stopped overnight and was a decent sized portion of the daily haulage total

What are you talking about the vast majority are still here don't let your anti Brexit views get in the way of the facts. Also nobody from the EU had to leave Britain because of Brexit the 5 million plus that are still here proves that
Report macarony September 12, 2021 6:47 PM BST
The problem we have here in the West is an age old problem that says I am better educated than you or I have more money, this automatically means people like you have to work for little or no reward, even though without you society would cease to exist.
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 6:54 PM BST
Of course there will be price rises and inflation but we went through a period where wages were static ,which means they actually dropped ,taking into account inflation. Many skilled and semi skilled trades were simply outsourced to cheaper foreign labour ,who were denied benefits like minimum wage ,holiday pay ,sickness pay ,while at the same time youth unemployment went up ,long term unemployment was rampant.
This spiralling effect were firms are going further afield to find more efficient cheaper work forces has dreadful economic consequences for the local work force. I have seen cleaning firms and construction firms change an entire workforce overnight as they had obtained cheaper rates for the new nationality.
The Polish were the first ,the new "Irish" bright ,strong ,hard working but they became expensive (comparatively) and soon others were sourced ,more loop holes found..........sub contractors ,accommodation supplied, block cscs cards ,take the safety courses in native language ,etc etc soon many sites did not have a UK worker.
Report macarony September 12, 2021 7:20 PM BST
The only place this comes from ultimately is in price increases to customers.

Morrisons the 4th largest grocer in the UK they 495 stores. I am going to give a very conservative estimate on the additional revenue a 1p increase on every Item Morrisons sells. Lets say that each store puts a single item per second through their tills, 495 divided by 100 = £4.95, £4.95 x 60 seconds = £297, £297 x by 60 mins = £17,820, Now let us say the stores are only open for 8 hours this = £142,560 per day.
Up until about a month ago Morrisons paid their drivers less than £14 per hour it is now £24 ph and £35 on a Sunday so Monday to Friday each driver has received an extra £100 per day. Morrisons stand to make a huge increase in profits
Report impossible123 September 12, 2021 7:27 PM BST
The Filipinos were the domestic helpers for a long while - now in nursing). Their place was soon taken by the Poles - now in retail/hospitality) - replaced by the Bulgarians. Soon, possibly they'd be replaced by the new arrivals from war-torn countries eg Afghanistanis, Iraqis and Syrians.

The Africans have the monopoly of commercial and office hygiene.
Report 1st time poster September 12, 2021 7:32 PM BST
uk gov flew in 16,000 fruit pickers from all around the world this summer
seems brexiteers didnt fancy picking their dinner after all,WHO KNEW
Report lapsy pa September 12, 2021 7:48 PM BST
^Surely the foreign fruit pickers would get £17/18 ph and maybe £25 per hour weekend work? If you are going to go high wages route surely has to apply to all as prices go up? The high wage cry will be im all right Jack.
What happens to non wage earners,ie pensioners etc? A larger tax take should see some in that direction but £2.2 trillion has to be addressed as well.
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 7:51 PM BST
This is why it so annoys me when the lefties on here ,think it is rich Tory grandees that voted for Brexit ,lead by the adorable CBI they voted remain ,ie AB upper middle class ,C1 lower middle class ,"generally" considered Conservatives.
Indeed one of the cleverer socialists Tony Wedgewood-Benn led a leave campaign ,he mentored Corbyn.
EU  the bastion of "protectionism" and who does it protect the most ,German manufacturing and French Agriculture. That is pure capitalism in the extreme.
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 7:56 PM BST
Lapsy welcome to the "real World" they will either be on price work ,or because they will have "accommodation" of a sort supplied and the air fare to pay back ,way less than minimum wage. Gangmasters act as intermediaries ,taking a cut/commission , it is a cruel ,slave like existence.
Report macarony September 12, 2021 8:03 PM BST
What is so hard for some on here to grasp is none of the EU citizens had to go back all of them could have stayed if they wanted to
Report lapsy pa September 12, 2021 8:10 PM BST
I see them Flat,i see their accomodation too,my point is the hypocrisy, not just a UK thing either,Spain,Italy,Ireland use EU/non EU cheap labour particulary in agriculture. If the brexiteers moral justification is a higher wage rate surely that has to be applied to all labour or is morally bankrupt,that probably won't be the 'reality' though.
Report 1st time poster September 12, 2021 8:12 PM BST
they got 100,s from the west indies where £3 is the average wage,majority from ukraine,russia,eastern europe
Report lapsy pa September 12, 2021 8:18 PM BST
I am sure they will all go back after their stint in the fields rather than working in the black economy 1sttp,otherwise it is just deja vu.
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 8:28 PM BST
Only certain sectors have been hit really hard ,with the semi skilled and unskilled probably the most vulnerable ,so plasterers/painters HGVs brickies ,hospitality etc........literally wages never went up for 30+ years.
So the realignment has only just began ,highly skilled ,say electricians and gas safe registered plumbers were not so badly affected ,so market forces will adjust rates (supply and demand) and perhaps apprenticeships/ improver schemes ,training will return.
One issue that would help ,perhaps these "barking" career officers , should stop telling kids you need a job you enjoy and job satisfaction and have a "gap year" and a daft university course while you decide. Lads actually can go out and lay a few kerbs and build a roundabout and earn a few quid.
Report lapsy pa September 12, 2021 8:35 PM BST
Someone said to me he heard a block layer in London getting almost 3k a week, i was stunned,whether right or wrong it was said in good faith. 8.28 is a good post Flat, i tend to agree.
Report flat16 September 12, 2021 8:49 PM BST
I was in the 5 oclock club pre brexit and the EU national "bar manageress" said she was on £2 an hour flat rate including weekends .I always wondered what hourly rate the washer upper was on !
Could get by on £3k/week. Blockwork about £20/m2 ,10 to the metre but London is a micro climate ,perhaps he is on price ,or has a crew
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