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Around 84% of the country vaccinated.

Around 84% of the cases are vaccinated.

Vaccine passport appears to not be the answer to stop Covid spreading.

Injecting child appears to not be the answer to stop Covid spreading.

Vaccines appear to stop serious illness and death in people that have taken the vaccine.
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Report Timber September 3, 2021 11:48 AM BST
It's the people using the term 'anti vax' that are loudest and most vicious

Most people who haven't had it just want to be left alone
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 11:49 AM BST
No it isnt, its derived from an act based on a decision.
You are asked if you want it, you say no, then you are anti vaccine
Report Timber September 3, 2021 11:50 AM BST
NO, an anti vaccine person is one who refuses ALL vaccines
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 11:50 AM BST
Timber....I have stated above those who decide not to have it are free not to have it, while you have said Ill be likely dead for having it.
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 11:51 AM BST
Well write to the pedantic lobby then, perhaps you'd be more happy with 'Anti Covid Vax 2020/21'?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 3, 2021 11:51 AM BST
Anti vaxxers, covid deniers, climate change denier, holocaust denier, moon walk deniers,

Send more funds...
Report Dr Crippen September 3, 2021 11:53 AM BST
If you want to live your life at some point you will probably get it (maybe many times).

That's how real immunity builds, without which the human race would be extinct by now.

We appear to be doing everything possible to prolong the pandemic.
Report Whisperingdeath September 3, 2021 11:53 AM BST
They filmed the moonwalk in ArkansasWhoops
Report Timber September 3, 2021 11:54 AM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 5:50AM, dustybin wrote:


Timber....I have stated above those who decide not to have it are free not to have it, while you have said Ill be likely dead for having it.


That was in response to your clot/anti clot comment

I think you will find a LOT of people who have been vaccinated that want unvaccinated people DEAD

Report Dr Crippen September 3, 2021 11:56 AM BST
You are asked if you want it, you say no, then you are anti vaccine

That's wrong.
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 11:56 AM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 5:49AM, dustybin wrote:


No it isnt, its derived from an act based on a decision.You are asked if you want it, you say no, then you are anti vaccine


How do you describe someone old who has had the vaccine but does think it should be pushed on children and does not think vaccine passports should be introduced in the UK?

Report politicspunter September 3, 2021 11:57 AM BST
Insider Trader?
Report Dr Crippen September 3, 2021 11:59 AM BST
^I see the troll's come to disrupt the thread.
Report edy September 3, 2021 12:00 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 5:48AM, Timber wrote:


It's the people using the term 'anti vax' that are loudest and most vicious Most people who haven't had it just want to be left alone


...you aren't. You constantly tell us we are all going to die if we get vaccinated, or that it's all over if we have been vaccinated already.

Report Timber September 3, 2021 12:03 PM BST
No it's my reason for not wanting it

Thousands have died already from the vaccines and millions injured

That's before we get into the long term issues
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 3, 2021 12:04 PM BST
Almost as if anti vaxxers forget they are
anti vax when it suits them

Bizarre
Report edy September 3, 2021 12:04 PM BST
You have directly gloated to me that I'm going to die soon for having been vaccinated.
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:06 PM BST
Timber et al.
Arguing about the words used is pointless. You think the virus gives a s hit about vernacular?
The opening statements on this thread were cynically orientated.
Where I agree is that passports are largely illogical, the rest is just painting oneself into a corner having little statistical argument to suggest people should agree not to have the vaccine, as you have.
Report Timber September 3, 2021 12:11 PM BST
Let's get it right, the holier than thou self righteous **** like pol pot punter started this crap
Report Timber September 3, 2021 12:13 PM BST
anti vaxxer is meant to be a derogatory term

There is no such term used by the unvaccinated describing the clot shot lovers
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:15 PM BST
I think you are paranoid Timbr because thats not what I was implying.
Maybe you grow less convinced on the decision you made?
At what point would you decide the vaccine is worth while?
Report edy September 3, 2021 12:16 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 6:11AM, Timber wrote:


Let's get it right, the holier than thou self righteous **** like pol pot punter started this crap


Oh hey there, kindergartener!

Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:16 PM BST
anti-vaxxer was a term originally attributed to the 5G fruit cakes and people who didn't want anyone to have a vaccine for anything. for example scaremongering over MMR online.

it is now also deliberately associated with people who have not taken up the offer of a covid 19 vaccine. Even if they don't need it. It's absolutely ridiculous of course but perfect for lazy journalists and the media class to smear anyone who has a mind of their own. Other sheep online think they are clever by throwing the term around.
Report edy September 3, 2021 12:18 PM BST
Are people who simply haven't had the vaccination really classified as anti-vaxxers? I haven't seen that. I have only seen people who spread all sorts of pseudoscientific nonsense about them as anti-vaxxers.
Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:19 PM BST
dustybin • September 3, 2021 11:45 AM BST
The term 'anti vaxer' surely is a catch all that implies a person who chooses not to have the vaccine when offered.
Report edy September 3, 2021 12:21 PM BST
Oh, so one random person on the internet instead of it being a widespread thing among journalists like your post was suggesting.
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:21 PM BST
I find it amazing the word police focus more on the implied terminology.
I for one think the unvaccinated have made the wrong choice, but then that should be obvious by the vact I have had the vaccine.
Perhaps focussing on the perceived meaning takes away from the fact those who chose not to have it have little to supplement their argument, beyond passports or enforcing injections
Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:21 PM BST
Some people are disingenuous and others have been conditioned to think that anyone not taking up an offer of a vaccine is de facto an anti-vaxxer.
Report Timber September 3, 2021 12:22 PM BST
Well worth a read

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/09/03/i-have-not-been-silenced/
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:22 PM BST
Have it or dont have it I care little
Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:23 PM BST
It's not random edy, I'd say most people in the UK anyway are like dustybin, and are conditioned to think anti-vaxxers are anyone who hasn't had the covid vaccine.
Report edy September 3, 2021 12:25 PM BST
You were talking about journalists and the "media class" doing it. Give me just five articles from respected publications like the BBC that "smear anyone who has a mind of their own" as anti-vaxxers simply for not having had the vaccination without them spreading pseudoscientific nonsense about them.
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:25 PM BST
I dont read tabloids Cider, any use of the term by mean is purely rational.
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:26 PM BST
I find it amazing that the debate is about a word used.
Report Timber September 3, 2021 12:27 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 6:26AM, dustybin wrote:


I find it amazing that the debate is about a word used.


There's a word that has caused a lot more debate than this!

Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:27 PM BST
Surely you appreciate that the spectrum of risk of covid between individuals is vast, dustybin. An individuals decision to have or not have multiple jabs is taken in that context. I've not had the covid jab, but by definition I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I'm data driven.
Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:29 PM BST
Just because you want it doesn't mean everyone else should. Just because I haven't had it doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't.
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:35 PM BST
I believe the debate is polemic and the decision is simply binary.
The issue here is that those who have chosen not to have it are getting ruffled over terminology while casting aspersions based on little or no science that I am aware of.
I do accept its an individual choice made on a balance of probability.
Im in my 40s, Im less young or fit as I was and lockdown was easing, I felt it prudent to have it, and I havnt seen anything since that suggests I made the wrong choice, therefore perhaps those who chose not to have it are touchy because they are reaslising they are running the gaunlett needlessly.
Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:39 PM BST
It doesn't make sense dustybin. You can say what you like of course but your inference that someone who has decided not to take up the covid vaccine is an anti-vaxxer is plain wrong. I would never criticise anyone who has taken the vaccine, even by implication. I will criticise people who try to brow beat, coerce, bully others into having it.
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:42 PM BST
And it goes on...
Your interpretation and mine regarding what anti-vax means surely has been clarified.
Its a term I believe fits a person who chose not to have it. There are degrees of reason, with some simplu unsure while others who have wild ideas about malevolent intent.
Report Cider September 3, 2021 12:46 PM BST
The distinction for me at least is that I'm not trying to convince others not to have it. I do feel they would be prudent to assess their own risk, rather than follow the herd. The term anti-vaxxer is a negative one.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk September 3, 2021 12:54 PM BST
I refused gravy on my dinner last night
Am I anti-gravy?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk September 3, 2021 12:56 PM BST
And btw, the druggies are way more vicious than the non-druggies in this problem, imo
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:57 PM BST
Until you take gravy on your next offering....or grow up, then yes.
Report Timber September 3, 2021 12:58 PM BST
Dusty obviously hasn't read the stuff on twitter
Insane and extremely dangerous content with thousands of 'likes'
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 12:58 PM BST
That I will fully agree with, I dont do twitter.
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 12:58 PM BST
Back to the subject of the thread it appears clear that the Pfizier vaccine does not prevent people catching or spreading Covid.

At least after a few months.
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 12:59 PM BST
But does this really matter if the people at risk are jabbed up and their chances of dying is well down?
Report politicspunter September 3, 2021 1:00 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 6:58AM, frog1000 wrote:


Back to the subject of the thread it appears clear that the Pfizier vaccine does not prevent people catching or spreading Covid. At least after a few months.


This is obvious stuff surely?

Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk September 3, 2021 1:08 PM BST
Do i call you pro-drugs orba druggie then Dusty?
This labelling game is fraught with inaccuracy
You fukin grow up
Report Kriskin September 3, 2021 1:08 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 6:58AM, frog1000 wrote:


Back to the subject of the thread it appears clear that the Pfizier vaccine does not prevent people catching or spreading Covid. At least after a few months.


frog - on the above does it protect people from getting serious symptoms if they catch covid?

Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk September 3, 2021 1:08 PM BST
or a*
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 1:13 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 7:08AM, Kriskin wrote:


Sep  3, 2021 -- 11:58AM, frog1000 wrote:Back to the subject of the thread it appears clear that the Pfizier vaccine does not prevent people catching or spreading Covid. At least after a few months.frog - on the above does it protect people from getting serious symptoms if they catch covid?


The above does not really tell us that. But many people are suggesting vaccines prevent serious illness and death.

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 3, 2021 1:15 PM BST
What would Israel be like
without vaxxes?

Did they simply put too much
faith in vaxxes and allowed it
to rip?

Lessons to learn, but hopefully
proper scientists and mathematicians
work out lessons, not one eyed
agendists
Report dustybin September 3, 2021 1:20 PM BST
I couldnt careless what you call me JCM
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk September 3, 2021 1:33 PM BST
Is that a challenge ? Cool
Apologies dusty, got me swearing boots on for a few minutes
Be lucky
Report Dr Crippen September 3, 2021 1:36 PM BST
What would Israel be like
without vaxxes?


Simply look at last year before they rolled them out.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 3, 2021 1:49 PM BST
Lol crippen you ain't that fick
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 1:52 PM BST
Thing to compare will be this autumn/winter in UK compared to last year.

Will the vaccines prevent older/vulnerable people dying in large numbers or not in the winter months?
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 1:53 PM BST
Not been tested yet as vaccines came into effect in the late spring and summer.
Report nineteen points September 3, 2021 1:55 PM BST
Folk say,lets listen to the scientists etc.Can we listen to them all then? Or have we just to listen to the ones "sponsored" by the people who sell the vaccines?
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 2:03 PM BST
https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/israels-covid-19-success-unravels-amid-case-surge

Just months ago Israel had been praised for its inoculation drive which saw millions of people receiving COVID-19 shots with enormous speed making it one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. Authorities eased restrictions, opting for the new model that Tel Aviv called "living with coronavirus."

But it's no longer the time to celebrate – Israel has seen a massive surge in COVID-19 cases as the hyper-transmissible delta variant has struck the country hard. Health specialists are increasingly worried over public health as even large numbers of fully vaccinated citizens have been tested positive for the deadly virus.

Earlier in June, the country registered zero new COVID-19 cases for several days. This success occurred just half a year after Israeli authorities announced the start of the national vaccination campaign, which led to Israel reaching the top of the highest vaccination rates in the world.

As nearly 60% of its population of 9.3 million has received two doses of the vaccine produced by American drug firm Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech, Israel relaxed all restrictions proclaiming mask-free venues and sending its citizens back to crowded parties, restaurants, cafes and other public places.

While Israeli authorities have been imagining a bright future, the more contagious delta variant rapidly spread across the country to the point where the Middle East nation's most recent daily infections toll reached the highest level since January. Israel's Health Ministry announced a record number of cases of COVID-19 on Thursday, with 11,187 new infections in the past day. The previous high came on Jan. 18, with 10,118 cases. The country has recorded 7,090 deaths from coronavirus since the start of the pandemic.

Amid the recent COVID-19 situation in the country, Israel, which often topped lists from Oxford University-based "Our World in Data" for most vaccinated nations, now is leading in another category as the nation with the world's highest one-week rolling average of new daily infections per million people. According to the Times of Israel, some 716 people have been hospitalized, including 159 on ventilators.

"This is a very clear warning sign for the rest of the world," chief innovation officer at Clalit Health Services (CHS), Ran Balicer, told magazine Science in an interview. "If it can happen here, it can probably happen everywhere."

There have been many deadly circumstances that have put Israel on the brink of an abyss, most of which can be summed up by words of Hagai Levine, a professor of epidemiology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who said, "we are still in the midst of a pandemic, and there is no silver bullet."

“All the vectors have influenced the rise in morbidity,” he told The Daily Beast news website.

The rise in cases has been triggered by the extremely infectious delta variant. It has been spread across the country by the Israelis returning from foreign vacations during the weeks Israel eased all precaution measures.

Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, a critic of the cycle of lockdowns implemented by his predecessor Benjamin Netanyahu, has maintained that the surge can be controlled through inoculation and protective measures such as masks. His government has encouraged all residents aged 12 and above to get the third jab.

Several measures have since been reimposed, including indoor mask-wearing, limits on gatherings and the need to present proof of vaccination for entry to certain facilities. Bennett has said that the rollout of the booster shot program was showing results, notably by restricting the rise in hospitalizations.

Despite the double-digit rise in infections, Israel reopened its schools Wednesday after the summer break, but the pandemic forced many students to stay home. Of the 2.4 million children due to attend educational institutions from kindergarten to high school, 250,000 were kept home on the first day of school, said the education ministry.

Some 90,000 of them were infected with COVID-19 or in quarantine, a ministry spokesperson told Agence France-Presse (AFP). Another 150,000 were either in cities with high virus rates or enrolled in classes that did not open due to low vaccination rates.

Israel has been offering vaccines to those aged 12 and up, and has refrained from opening high school classrooms where fewer than 70% of pupils are vaccinated.

"We learned this year that there is another important thing," Bennet said at a school in the southern city of Yeruham. "And that is livelihood – to make sure that all the people of Israel can work and earn a decent living, even during the coronavirus because it is a sacred thing."

Before Wednesday's school reopening, Israeli conducted hundreds of thousands of serological tests on children under 12 to determine if they had developed antibody protection after contracting COVID-19. The government also distributed millions of antibody tests for pupils to take at home before the first day of school.
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:08 PM BST
How is 1.12k Per million the highest rate in the world  1 in every 990 have the virus ?
Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 2:10 PM BST
Daily new confirmed cases.

People have Covid for more than one day sometimes.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases
Report Dr Crippen September 3, 2021 2:13 PM BST
"we are still in the midst of a pandemic, and there is no silver bullet."

I hope he's wrong.
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:16 PM BST
cant be 1.12 k  do you mean  112 k permillion ?
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:20 PM BST
6,830,893 Confirmed cases in the UK Laugh I know of one person personally  who has had the Virus , where are they getting these figures from Laugh

Someone is having a larf How can 6 million have had the Virus in the UK ,someone is making it up as they go along
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:22 PM BST
1 in 10 in the uk have or have had the Virus Laugh Go away
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:29 PM BST
Confirmed cases (absolute)  so how are these so called cases Confirmed  6 million of them Laugh
Report Timber September 3, 2021 2:32 PM BST
I'm amazed there is no standard regarding number of cycles for the PCR tests
You can literally find anything in a strand of DNA with enough amplifications
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:36 PM BST
PCR tests so how many of them have been carried out ?  How are they getting these figures whats the source ?
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:38 PM BST
"Naftali Bennett...has maintained that the surge can be controlled through inoculation and protective measures such as masks."

masks lol when will these idiots learn?

and more innoculations? how often? every four months?
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:40 PM BST
at this stage the key figure for Israel is deaths, which isn't mentioned at all in that article Crazy

do we know the numbers of deaths for recent days from Israel?

wikipedia hasn't updated at all since the 28th
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk September 3, 2021 2:40 PM BST
will be in pill form soon
take 1 x 3 times a day
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:43 PM BST
case normal random people aren't tested

i imagine it is mostly staff in certain sectors, hospitals patients, schools etc.

it is an interesting question

who are these people being tested every day in the UK?
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:45 PM BST
presumably if you test positive you are not tested again the next day?
Report shiny new shoes please September 3, 2021 2:46 PM BST
Jab 99,milk that cow

2\3 of Indians have  natural immunity
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:48 PM BST
175 7 days     36 Yesterday
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:48 PM BST
India is very frustrating

official numbers are very low but there is a widespread consensus that they are underreporting

how can we make an assessment when we can't even agree how many are dying?
Report casemoney September 3, 2021 2:49 PM BST
That's Israel Deaths G
Report nineteen points September 3, 2021 2:50 PM BST
Come along Mr Macmurphy,take your pills.
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:51 PM BST
thanks

36 would be about 250 in the UK, so nothing crazy

but numbers should continue to rise

a month ago there were 3,000 cases a day

now there are 11,000

deaths generally trail behind cases by several weeks so number of deaths could quadruple

140 deaths a day would be equivalent of 1,000 in UK, that would be bad
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:52 PM BST
and the case numbers haven't peaked yet either
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:55 PM BST
Israel's record for daily deaths is 76 (24 January 2021)

they should pass that
Report shiny new shoes please September 3, 2021 2:55 PM BST
India\/
"as more than two-thirds of Indians already have Covid-fighting antibodies, mainly through natural infection, experts think another national surge in cases will be less deadly "
Fear porn \/
Australian Medical Association said the health system was in danger of being locked into a "permanent cycle of crisis"
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:56 PM BST
not many Israelis would have expected covid to not only return but to be worse than ever
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:57 PM BST
i watched the indian news last night and it was all "biggest numbers of cases in four months"

they also discussed the large number of people with antibodies

the fact they aren't in lokcdown suggests to me things aren't that bad
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 2:58 PM BST
they were talking about vaccinating 400 million kids

and how 60% of population would not be vaccinated until December 2022
Report Timber September 3, 2021 3:10 PM BST
This is the insanity on the left re unvaccinated

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1433775165268234245

Just read the comments!
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 3:13 PM BST
of course you would need a breakdown of the deaths in Israel

the really important figure is "double vaccinated and died due to covid"

simply dying within 28 days of a test doesn't tell us much

if number of people testing positive goes from 0 to 11,000 a day, of course some patients are going to test positive too because covid is more widespread in the community

doesn't mean they are sick because of covid

the real measure here is lockdowns: if the government was really worried they would do it

maybe things aren't so bad in Israel

on the other hand, why are they giving third jabs? this suggests they are worried
Report shiny new shoes please September 3, 2021 3:20 PM BST
71% of under 40 in Europe blame governments for covid & interference in life & rising
Single jabbed.
Double jabbed.
Triple jabbed .
Every 6-months to a year ..
Natural .
There can be only "One"


Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 3:21 PM BST
isn't it extraordinary how clueless the media is after 18 months

"tested postitive despite being double jabbed"

"hospitalised or died due to covid, and was double jabbed"

thse are the only stats that matters and are rarely if ever mentioned
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 3:22 PM BST
i don't think 6 months is enough

pfizer loses half its protection after 4 months

not sure how "protection" is caluclated (infection or hospitalisation or death)
Report Giuseppe September 3, 2021 3:23 PM BST
lots of people in the UK are now prancing about with only 50% protection, including punter
Report Timber September 3, 2021 3:25 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 9:23AM, Giuseppe wrote:


lots of people in the UK are now prancing about with only 50% protection, including punter


He's cowering in the basement, begging for the booster

Report frog1000 September 3, 2021 3:55 PM BST

Sep 3, 2021 -- 8:38AM, Giuseppe wrote:


"Naftali Bennett...has maintained that the surge can be controlled through inoculation and protective measures such as masks." masks lol when will these idiots learn?and more innoculations? how often? every four months?


Bits of cloth no use.

A jab every few months will surely shoot immune systems to pieces?

Jezza Hunt now suggesting the government ignore the JVCI and crack on with boosters.

Thank goodness we will be giving them to 12-15 years old in the UK!

Great news.

Report shiny new shoes please September 3, 2021 3:58 PM BST
Tinie Tempah - Written In The Stars ft. Eric Turner

the role of NPHET and the vaccine taskforce will be transitioned into the normal functions of the Department of Health and the HSE.

critical to deal with the pandemic going ahead and with wider public health challenges as "we are not going to eliminate the virus"
Ireland records highest Covid-19 incidence in Europe

Everybody's getting tagged


September 3, 2021 12:16 PM BST.. Divide & conquer ,Deception,coercion works really well
Report shiny new shoes please September 10, 2021 5:44 PM BST
More jabs required
Report Giuseppe September 10, 2021 5:48 PM BST
it is possible that AZ offers longer lasting protection than pfizer (israel only used pfizer i think)

which is good news for UK but bad news for Ireland

i personally have had pfizer
Report Giuseppe September 11, 2021 3:16 AM BST
case numbers have gone down in Israel

peaked at 11,000 on the 2nd of september, now about 6,000 a day

deaths haven't peaked yet, highest so far in this wave 35 on the 7th

deaths will probably conttinue to rise for another months or so

multiply by 7 for equivalent in UK
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