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Burt06
19 Aug 21 10:23
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Because Raab waited a day before speaking to his opposite number in Kabul.

Lisa - sweetie pie, nobody gives a fk.Laugh

Doesn't matter when he spoke to who, Sleepy Joe pulled the rug and now we have a huge mess. Matters not what and when Raab says to whoever.

Lisa Nandy - DC.
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Report jollyswagman August 19, 2021 12:03 PM BST
what does dc stand for?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk August 19, 2021 12:12 PM BST
does cooking?
Report politicspunter August 19, 2021 1:18 PM BST

Aug 19, 2021 -- 6:03AM, jollyswagman wrote:


what does dc stand for?


direct current I think. However, It also has another meaning such as "Justin Fashanu is considering signing for AC/DC Milan"

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- August 19, 2021 1:23 PM BST
DC comics... Detective comics
Report layingisthewayforward August 19, 2021 1:36 PM BST
F@ck me these politicians talk utter sh1te sometimes. Where is this real anger which she is talking about?
Report Manoleeds August 19, 2021 2:19 PM BST
Dozy cookie?
Report Dr Crippen August 19, 2021 2:24 PM BST
Dumb cutie.
Report flat16 August 19, 2021 2:43 PM BST
Burt is right the hard working silent majority don't give a fcuk about "Raab goes on holiday" add it to those other easily forgettable lefty only , classics "Boris and the bike ride" "Boris buys wall paper".
Report SirNorbertClarke August 19, 2021 2:51 PM BST
Lisa Nandy is a tool. The daughter of a Marxist university lecturer. Her maternal grandfather was an MP and member of the house of lords. She is a typically entitled twerp who has never had a real job in her life.
Report flat16 August 19, 2021 2:58 PM BST
Career politicians ,university ,then preaching ,not worth a ++++
Report A_T August 19, 2021 3:15 PM BST
Burt do you agree with Biden pulling the US out?
Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 3:18 PM BST
A_T = Always Trolling
Report Dr Crippen August 19, 2021 3:18 PM BST
Read his opening post A_T.

You're not trolling again are you?
Report Timber August 19, 2021 3:19 PM BST

Aug 19, 2021 -- 9:15AM, A_T wrote:


Burt do you agree with Biden pulling the US out?


They haven't pulled out, there are 7,500 soldiers ++ still there

Report Dr Crippen August 19, 2021 3:20 PM BST
^^Great minds.

Although I'm not so sure about mine.
Report Cider August 19, 2021 3:23 PM BST
She genuinely thinks twatter is 'the country'

tbf, seemingly do much of the tory mob.
Report A_T August 19, 2021 3:23 PM BST
Read his opening post A_T.

You're not trolling again are you?


like you he doesn't give dare give an opinion - same goes for Daps and Timber.

we'll try it another way

Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?
Report Timber August 19, 2021 3:28 PM BST

Aug 19, 2021 -- 9:23AM, A_T wrote:


Read his opening post A_T.You're not trolling again are you?like you he doesn't give dare give an opinion - same goes for Daps and Timber.we'll try it another wayBiden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?


Is Jeremy Corbyn still the right man to lead the UK?

Report A_T August 19, 2021 3:30 PM BST
Is Jeremy Corbyn still the right man to lead the UK?


I never said he was and still don't.

Now then this is really easy...

Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?
Report Giuseppe August 19, 2021 3:30 PM BST
"Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this? "

no
Report A_T August 19, 2021 3:32 PM BST
well done Giuseppe - what kind of US military presence do you think there should there be in Afghanistan?
Report Timber August 19, 2021 3:33 PM BST

Aug 19, 2021 -- 9:30AM, A_T wrote:


Is Jeremy Corbyn still the right man to lead the UK?I never said he was and still don't.Now then this is really easy...Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?


Laugh

Report Giuseppe August 19, 2021 3:34 PM BST
about 2,500 troops, a skeleton force

also specal forces for intelligence, and enough to protect the bagram air base
Report Timber August 19, 2021 3:34 PM BST
7,500 ++ soldiers in Afg, doesn't look like much of a pullout to me
Report Giuseppe August 19, 2021 3:35 PM BST
Biden has said he would have withdarwn regardless of the Trump deal
Report Timber August 19, 2021 3:36 PM BST
Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld sacrificed thousands of lives 20 years ago for forever wars

Now the neo cons and neo cons are willing to sacrifice 15,000+ for them to continue FOREVER
Report Timber August 19, 2021 3:37 PM BST
Sponsored by Haliburton and Ratheon
Report Timber August 19, 2021 3:40 PM BST
It's a set up for massive violence
Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 3:40 PM BST
Internet Troll = In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as social media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception. This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process. Even so, Internet trolling can also be defined as purposefully causing confusion or harm to other users online, for no reason at all.


Who could it be....
Report A_T August 19, 2021 3:49 PM BST
Daps, Timber, Crippen, Burt


Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?
Report Giuseppe August 19, 2021 3:51 PM BST
they won;t answer you because they know what you are going to say next if they do
Report A_T August 19, 2021 3:52 PM BST
about 2,500 troops, a skeleton force

also specal forces for intelligence, and enough to protect the bagram air base


and if the Taliban engage them and US soldiers get killed?
Report A_T August 19, 2021 3:53 PM BST
they won;t answer you because they know what you are going to say next if they do


gutless individuals with no real convictions
Report politicspunter August 19, 2021 3:55 PM BST
It's a simple enough question AT. I will go first to show them how easy it is...

I believe Biden is correct in pulling the US out.
Report Whisperingdeath August 19, 2021 3:56 PM BST

flat1619 Aug 21 13:43

Burt is right the hard working silent majority don't give a fcuk about "Raab goes on holiday" add it to those other easily forgettable lefty only , classics "Boris and the bike ride" "Boris buys wall paper".


absolutely and that is why we had idiots like President Chump and Biden and " oven ready " Doris. People who vote for these fools should not complain when they tell you to drink bleach or send old people to die in Care Homes.
Report politicspunter August 19, 2021 3:58 PM BST
Donestos kills 99% of all known persons.
Report Cider August 19, 2021 3:59 PM BST
As I have seen social media transform into a hotbed of geopolitical experts on Afghanistan, specialists on power dynamics in Central Asia and the broader international system, and intellectuals on the global threat of Islamist extremism, I have spent some time clearing my thoughts on the unfolding situation in a country which is often referred to as the “graveyard of empires”.

We have been told by some that events in the last ten days or so, have overturned two decades of remarkable progress — but the cynic in me would say that if “progress” over such a long period of time can unravel so quickly, perhaps it wasn’t especially meaningful. However much the intervening external forces sought to win the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan, they were ultimately foreign military occupiers in a land where prevailing religio-cultural norms run counter to conventional Western liberal democratic principles.

A 2013 Pew Research Center report — 12 years into the war in Afghanistan — provided a stark image of the socio-cultural attitudes of the country’s citizens on matters of social relations, governance, and law and order. The proportion of Muslims in Azerbaijan who reported that they want sharia to be “the official law of the land” was eight per cent — with this rising to near unanimity in Afghanistan (99 per cent). An overwhelming majority — 94 per cent — of Afghan Muslims in the study, agreed with the view that a wife is “always obliged to obey her husband” and around 85 per cent of Muslims in Afghanistan favoured stoning as a punishment for unfaithful spouses. Around eight in ten Afghan Muslims supported the death penalty for those who leave Islam, and nearly four in ten said that suicide bombings and other forms of violence can be justified in the name of their religion. Over a decade of Western-led occupation and the promotion of “nation-building” through a liberal-democratic prism, and this was the socio-political environment in Afghanistan: a resolutely Islamist society which comprehensively supported patriarchal social arrangements and brutal forms of punishment for adultery and apostasy.

There also must be an acknowledgement of the rampant institutional corruption following the removal of the Taliban. This may well have contributed towards the sheer speed of the Taliban advance and eventual takeover, following the recent withdrawal of Western military personnel. The Afghan national army was well-funded, equipped, and supposedly received considerable amounts of military training from foreign forces. Countless American and British military generals had claimed to have created a powerful and capable Afghan army. On paper, this should have provided a highly-skilled and well-equipped military which was prepared to defend the Afghan state with all its might — but the reality was rather different. The Afghan army — and police forces — had a troubled history of failed recruitment methods, high casualties, desertions, and top-level corruption. A number of unscrupulous commanders pocketed the salaries of troops who did not even exist — so-called “ghost soldiers”. And in spite of the deeply clan-like nature of the population, Afghan soldiers were sent to areas where they had little to no tribal connections. Hardly a sound arrangement in the event of a Taliban onslaught.

After well over a decade of Western-led occupation, six in ten Afghans believed that the judiciary — blighted by industrial-scale bribery — was the most corrupt organ of government. When all of these factors are collectively considered, perhaps it is not much of a surprise that the Taliban faced little resistance as provincial capitals — and lastly Kabul — fell to them like dominoes. What kind of state were Afghans being asked to defend against the Taliban exactly?

I do — to a slight degree — sympathise with the arguments for continued Western military presence in Afghanistan. The current operational cost for the United States was low; women’s rights had improved in recent decades following the overthrowing of the Taliban; destabilisation risks a major refugee inflow into Europe that could undermine social cohesion, heighten religious extremism, and generate a far-right backlash; a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan could become an international Islamist terror-training hub.

These are all valid arguments — but they ignore the reality that Western-led “nation-building” project in Afghanistan was very much a failure.  If the objective was to construct a “New Afghanistan” with robust and functional state systems, motivated and well-ordered military and law-enforcement institutions, and a society more supportive of liberal democratic values (and despite what Joe Biden is now claiming, that was the aim) the project has been an irrefutable disaster. This was an “unwinnable” endeavour — meaning that there would have to be a point that foreign military actors left Afghanistan. While the United States’ execution of its withdrawal from Afghanistan screams of reckless foreign-policy incompetence, its departure was inevitable. The American people have grown tired with costly, long-winded foreign wars which overstretch in terms of their ideological aims.

Many in the West will be bitterly disappointed and notably anxious over the Taliban’s return to power in Afghanistan — but they are perhaps better off focusing on matters closer to home. According to the 2020 National Resilience Index (NRI), both the United States and United Kingdom — among the proposed “D-10” group of democracies — have relatively low levels of public trust in the democratic system. Both countries are established international hotspots when it comes to family breakdown, and both countries suffer from racial identity politics (after it was aggressively imported into the UK) which has created a volatile culture of racial-grievance. A hypocritical band of western “feminists” seem to take a great interest in gender relations in Afghanistan, but dare not challenge misogynistic patriarchal attitudes which exist in domestic minority communities. And the US-UK “special relationship” hasn’t just made a hash of things abroad — neither country has covered itself in glory over its domestic management of the pandemic.

For those Americans and Britons that have an appetite for foreign “nation-building” exercises, they must learn from the failures of the “New Afghanistan” project. It is time to be humble and concentrate on working towards getting one’s own house in order before even thinking we can restore everyone else’s.

.https://thecritic.co.uk/sticking-plaster/
Report A_T August 19, 2021 4:00 PM BST
Just a bunch of Trump fans ****-a-hoop that Biden is getting hammered in the press - but totally unable to give any opinion on the matter. That's Daps, Timber, Crippen, Burt, in case anyone is wondering - there's others too.
Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 4:15 PM BST
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Just a bunch of Trump fans ****-a-hoop that Biden is getting hammered in the press


Poor old A_T (and Biden), just making things up as he goes along. Reverse Trump and Biden in that sentence and then have a look in the mirror, and it's the lefties of the last 4 years.

Ps - I replied to your question yesterday, if you are unable to take in the answer then that is surely your problem.
Report A_T August 19, 2021 4:29 PM BST
Daps
Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?
Report Giuseppe August 19, 2021 4:41 PM BST
"and if the Taliban engage them and US soldiers get killed?"

afghans do the fighting on the ground, US provides airtrsikes and money and equipment and training

US troops will only do limited fighting

taliban can't win a war like that

they tried for 20 years
Report A_T August 19, 2021 4:48 PM BST
afghans do the fighting on the ground

afghans don't want to do any fighting on the ground
Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 4:48 PM BST
Internet Troll = In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as social media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception. This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process. Even so, Internet trolling can also be defined as purposefully causing confusion or harm to other users online, for no reason at all.
Report Timber August 19, 2021 4:50 PM BST
We all wish his father had pulled out 80 years ago
Report A_T August 19, 2021 4:51 PM BST
Daps crying "troll!" is not an answer

Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?
Report Timber August 19, 2021 4:51 PM BST

Aug 19, 2021 -- 9:55AM, politicspunter wrote:


It's a simple enough question AT. I will go first to show them how easy it is...I believe Biden is correct in pulling the US out.


POL POT PUNTER talking to himself again. PricelessLaughLaughLaugh

Report Timber August 19, 2021 4:52 PM BST
Artificial trollbot always asks the wrong questionLaugh
Report A_T August 19, 2021 4:52 PM BST
"Mummy nasty A_T's a troll!"
Report Timber August 19, 2021 4:54 PM BST

Aug 19, 2021 -- 10:52AM, A_T wrote:


"Mummy nasty A_T's a troll!"


The bot is malfunctioning LaughLaughLaugh

Report Timber August 19, 2021 4:54 PM BST
quick Pol Pot fix your imaginary friend
Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 4:55 PM BST
I replied yesterday, but it doesn't matter how many times I tell you, as you just keep trolling.


Internet Troll = In internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as social media (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc.), a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception. This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process. Even so, Internet trolling can also be defined as purposefully causing confusion or harm to other users online, for no reason at all.
Report A_T August 19, 2021 4:58 PM BST
Daps
Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?
Report A_T August 19, 2021 4:59 PM BST
I replied yesterday,

kindly direct me to this post
Report Giuseppe August 19, 2021 5:04 PM BST
"afghans don't want to do any fighting on the ground "

lol they fought for 20 years

they only stopped when sleepy withdrew the last troops because they knew the taliban were going to win
Report Timber August 19, 2021 5:04 PM BST

Aug 19, 2021 -- 10:58AM, A_T wrote:


DapsBiden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?


7,500 troops, I don't think you understand pull out LaughLaughLaugh

Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 5:06 PM BST
A_T - Find it yourself, just go on history and find it if you really want to, because I'm not going to search and find it for you.


Have you ever thought about venturing outside of your bedroom and into the real World, and conversing with someone face to face? It doesn't seem to matter what time, or day, you seem to be on here trolling. Either tag teaming leftards, or going on other threads you disapprove of and deflecting the topics. It is quite bizarre for an alleged grown up.
Report A_T August 19, 2021 5:07 PM BST
Timber so Biden is not pulling the US out?
Report A_T August 19, 2021 5:08 PM BST
Daps
Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?
Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 5:28 PM BST
Amazing how someone who wants to follow people around constantly asking questions, then trolls the same people for allegedly not answering his(?) questions, but doesn't like to respond to any questions aimed at himself.
Report dpm August 19, 2021 5:34 PM BST
Watched Bidens address to the US on you tube, he gives  clear reasons why they are pulling out. It's not their responsibility to police the world, the Afgan military was 300,000 strong, well trained well armed but they just ran. If they don't want to fight for their freedom they deserve what they get.
Report A_T August 19, 2021 5:57 PM BST
Daps what questions haven't I answered?
Report saddo August 19, 2021 6:32 PM BST
Why is A_T obsessed with Magic__Daps?
Report A_T August 19, 2021 6:35 PM BST
It's Daps who follows me around with very long posts telling me what a sad life I have. BTW Daps that might be projecting?
Report Magic__Daps August 19, 2021 6:54 PM BST
saddo - if you question the troll or call out the troll, the Average Troll then becomes an even bigger troll. Just follows people around, like a sad, pathetic, tragic schoolchild. But it's what keeps him going for the day, week, month, year. Just troll, troll and troll some more. Obviously has no life away from his bedroom, laptop and Social Media.
Report casemoney August 19, 2021 7:16 PM BST
nandy on the Zoom call on the News , GTF out of your house would be my advice
Report moisok August 19, 2021 7:20 PM BST
I think she is wonderful. Just like the family - real socialists through and through - they have the policies and tell as regularly how you lot of ray cysts should behave
Report mecca August 20, 2021 12:27 AM BST
LOL... Lisa Nandy before this week never said the words Afghan or Afghanistan in the House of Commons
Report casemoney August 20, 2021 1:22 AM BST
Biden is pulling the US out - do you agree with this?

Joe would have problems pulling his todger out .
Report LoyalHoncho August 20, 2021 1:32 AM BST
He might have a todger but he sure as fck doesn't have any b alls.
Report casemoney August 20, 2021 1:38 AM BST
Laugh
Report Reynard August 20, 2021 5:05 AM BST
A_T • August 19, 2021 3:52 PM BST
A_T • August 19, 2021 3:53 PM BST

and switch ..............

politicspunter • August 19, 2021 3:55 PM BST
politicspunter • August 19, 2021 3:58 PM BST

and back .................

A_T • August 19, 2021 4:00 PM BST

Grin
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