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Report lapsy pa June 13, 2022 2:27 PM BST
^ You couldn't argue against much of that.

The unionists and tories bringing politics into disrepute,has to change.
Report akabula June 13, 2022 3:45 PM BST
lapsy showing a complete lack of knowledge of whats happening in Scotland along with having no clue about economics.
Report lapsy pa June 13, 2022 3:57 PM BST
Best of luck Nicola tomorrow on your quest for indyref2

You are better than being in a union with an international law breaker.
Report akabula June 13, 2022 4:24 PM BST
The First Minister of Scotland is now retweeting a twisted convicted Scottish nationalist who left women working in an office cowering in fear.

Thats how low people can go when they are desperate. Nigel Farage summed her up well.
Report akabula June 13, 2022 4:33 PM BST
I hope she goes with malushkas idea on what currency to use.

mmmalushka
We already have a currency.
The pound Scots was the unit of currency in the Kingdom of Scotland before the kingdom unified with the Kingdom of England in 1707. It was introduced by David I, in the 12th century, on the model of English and French money, divided into 20 shillings, each of 12 pence


Thats absolute comedy gold. That post should be copied, framed and hung in the Kelvengrove Art Gallery.
Report akabula June 13, 2022 4:47 PM BST
Listen to Nigel.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1528846602995175425
Report xmoneyx June 13, 2022 5:08 PM BST
Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 39% (-1)
CON: 32% (=)
LDM: 15% (+2)
GRN: 6% (+1)
SNP: 5% (+1)Wink
REF: 2% (-2)

Via
@RedfieldWilton
, On 12 June,
Changes w/ 8-9 June.
Report politicspunter June 13, 2022 6:02 PM BST
The last person anyone in Scotland would listen to is serial loser Nigel Farage. His parties normally get less than 1% of the vote up there which speaks for itself.
Report akabula June 13, 2022 6:40 PM BST
1%. On a par with the Greens and they've got 2 ministerial posts.
I suppose thats democracy Scotland style.
Report politicspunter June 13, 2022 7:04 PM BST
On the contrary, the Greens received 8.1% in the Regional Holyrood ballot where they stand, Reform UK got 0.21%.
Report akabula June 13, 2022 7:17 PM BST
1.3% of the constituency vote which equates to less than 35,000 votes.
And they've been given 2 ministerial posts which sees the recipients of the posts get a huge wage rise along with a chauffeur driven car.
All to get their votes in Holyrood.
Report politicspunter June 13, 2022 7:21 PM BST
The Greens do stand in the constituency vote and they did get 1.3%. However the Scottish Parliament is a PR based system which is far superior than the dinosaur FPTP Westminster system and the Greens rightly gained a number of MSPs on the main Regional Ballot where they stand.
Report politicspunter June 13, 2022 7:24 PM BST
The Wales and Scotland Parliaments are a far more democratic and fairer system than Westminster. We in the UK are one of the few countries in Europe that continues to use the antiquated FPTP system for Westminster which is as far from democratic as you can possibly have.
Report politicspunter June 13, 2022 7:27 PM BST
A simple example of that would be that the SNP should only have roughly 26 seats in Westminster under a democratic PR system rather than the 48 they currently have.
Report mmmalushka June 14, 2022 9:39 AM BST
It’s time for Scotland to define itself

by weegingerdug
Here we go again. The Scottish Government has confirmed that the Conservative Government at Westminster has not shared any of its controversial plans to introduce union busting strike breaking legislation with Holyrood. Not that anyone should be at all surprised by this, as the Tories never shared any of their Brexit plans with Holyrood either, and neither did they keep Holyrood informed about legislation with the potential to have a direct impact on the devolution settlement. So it’s not like they were about to break the habit of a lifetime and all of a sudden dig up David Cameron’s respect agenda from the deep dark pit in which it was buried immediately after the votes of the last independence referendum were counted.

It was always obvious that the Conservatives were going to go after the Trades Unions, despite the fact that after decades of Tory restrictions on the unions they are but a shadow of their former selves, the unions still represent one of the last institutions in the UK which the Conservatives do not influence or control and which is fundamentally opposed to the robber baron philosophy of the Westminster government.

The Conservatives have systematically undermined and attacked every institution in the UK which has an alternative legitimacy to Westminster or which is capable of holding the Conservative British Government to account. They engineered Brexit in order to ensure that the exercise of their power at Westminster would not be restricted in any way by the UK’s obligations as a member of the EU. And then once they had achieved a Leave vote in the EU referendum on the basis of outright lies and deceit, they trashed all the promises and reassurances that they had given prior to and during that referendum campaign and took the UK out of the Single Market and the Customs Union despite denouncing as “scaremongering” the warnings of remain campaigners that they were going to do so.

The new proposals to eviscerate the unions will make it legal for employers to hire untrained agency staff to cover for striking workers. The legislation will also penalise workers who have gone on strike by prohibiting them from working overtime in order to make up back pay which was lost during the industrial action.

Meanwhile, having taken yet another step towards neutering domestic opposition to Conservative rule, the UK continues its descent into rogue state territory as the British Government continues with its plans to deport asylum seekers on a one way ticket to Rwanda, a policy which has been denounced as illegal. In a recent court case which tried – and failed – to halt the deportations it was revealed that the UN’s refugee agency had twice warned the Home Office that the policy was unlawful. Gillian Triggs, assistant secretary-general at the United Nations refugee agency, and former dean of the Sydney Law School, Australia’s most prestigious law school, described the scheme as an “egregious breach of international and refugee law.”

Asked about comparisons between the Home Office’s Rwanda plan and Australia’s controversial policy of “off-shoring” asylum applications, Ms Triggs told the BBC : “Just as the Australian policy is an egregious breach of international law and refugee law and human rights law, so too is this proposal by the United Kingdom government.”

The Australian policy which saw asylum seekers and refugees arriving by boat sent to detention centres in Papua New Guinea and Nauru was widely condemned for its cruelty and inhumanity. Refugees were housed in substandard conditions in internment camps where there were widespread reports of abusive behaviour while their asylum claims were processed. However the UK policy is far far worse. At least the Australians permitted asylum seekers entry to Australia once their claims were judged to be genuine. However the British scheme will see successful asylum seekers being given asylum in Rwanda, a repressive dictatorship where corruption is rife and which not so long ago experience a horrific genocide. The Conservatives want the UK to wash its hands of all responsibility for desperate refugees who are seeking asylum in the UK. Even Prince Charles has denounced the policy as “appalling” and you know that something must be pretty bad indeed when you find yourself agreeing with Prince Charles.

As if that wasn’t enough to trash what was left of the UK’s tattered international reputation, on Monday the Johnson regime published plans to unilaterally change the Northern Irish protocol which underpinned the “oven ready” Brexit deal which Johnson negotiated with the EU. Johnson has claimed that the changes he wants to make are “a trivial set of adjustments” and told LBC radio that they are “not a big deal” despite the fact that it’s a clear breach of international law. Well he would say that wouldn’t he. He doesn’t think breaking domestic law is such a big deal either.

Breaking international law “isn’t a big deal” says Johnson, that’s the sort of sentiment that Vladimir Putin could enthusiastically get behind. Unsurprisingly this is not the opinion of the Irish Government. The Taoiseach Micheál Martin said today, “Announcing the unilateral breach of an international agreement is pretty serious stuff.”

Indeed. After all, if the changes Johnson is making are really trivial adjustments and not a big deal, then why is he making them in the first place? If they are not significant the UK could just suck them up instead of alienating the Irish Government, angering Brussels and risking a trade war with the EU in the middle of a cost of living crisis and when the UK is already forecast to have the lowest economic growth of any G20 country except Russia, whose economy has been battered by the international sanctions imposed upon the Putin regime following the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The fact that Johnson is now ripping up a key part of the Brexit deal that he himself negotiated and signed exposes the lies that he told in order to secure his victory in the December 2019 General Election. The rabble-rousing over Brexit is a lurch to the right designed to shore up support for a weakened prime minister. Scotland didn’t vote for Brexit and has not voted for the Tories since the 1950s but Scotland must endure the full effects of Johnson’s lies and deceit and the authoritarian British nationalism of the modern Conservative party.  Scotland does not consent to the arrogant British nationalist exceptionalist politics of the Tories, and is only informed after the event, but in the eyes of the international community as a part of the UK, Scotland is also a party to Johnson’s law breaking and contempt.

This is a nasty red white and blue brush that Scotland too is tarred with. As long as we remain a part of this so-called union, Scotland’s international standing and reputation is being rubbished too. It doesn’t have to be like this, but if Scotland doesn’t choose independence in order to define itself and what it stands for, Boris Johnson will define Scotland to the world for us. The First Minister’s announcement on Monday that the second independence referendum campaign launches tomorrow with the publication of the first in a series of papers setting out a new prospectus for independence could not be more timely. It’s time for Scotland to define itself.

Report cryoftruth June 14, 2022 10:34 AM BST

1%. On a par with the Greens and they've got 2 ministerial posts.
I suppose thats democracy Scotland style.


An absolutely ridiculous comment.

If you make a point about fairness, votes mattering, and democracy and compare the 2 systems in Scotland and London parliaments you risk looking somewhat foolish.

In one you need about 51% of votes at an election to get power. In the other you can get away with well under 40% of the votes.

In one system, every vote counts towards the outcome, in the other most votes are wasted, especially in safe seats.

In one system the parties standing for office have the number of members of parliament in proportion to the number of votes they get. In the other there are huge distortions, with parties getting twice as many seats than their proration of the share of the vote should mean (ie the SNPat Westminster currently).

So moaning about democracy is Scotland is daft, as it’s a system far far more democratic than the one in the U.K. as a whole.
Report cryoftruth June 14, 2022 10:40 AM BST
What is an issue though is the democratic deficit in Scotland.

For 60 years Scotland has been well thrashed in every election held in Scotland. The sleazy  toxic divisive and corrupt odious politics of the Tories are totally rejected by the Scottish people for more than half a century and yet the country of Scotland has been ruled by the same nasty Tory Party.

It is this massive democratic deficit that has led to the Scottish people yearning for their freedom.
Report lapsy pa June 14, 2022 2:58 PM BST
Great timing from Nicola!

Boris says she can do the fook what she wants cos he does!
Report lapsy pa June 14, 2022 3:16 PM BST
But Boris is a liar and a law breaker,who cares what he says.
Report akabula June 14, 2022 3:16 PM BST
It won't happen.
Nothing has changed since 2014.
Report akabula June 14, 2022 3:22 PM BST
This is all you need to know.

Latest poll on independence.
55% NO
45% YES


2014 Referendum for independence
55% NO
45% YES


Sturgeon hasn't moved the cause forward by even 1%
Report akabula June 14, 2022 3:24 PM BST
Could say the exact same about Sturgeon lapsy
Report mmmalushka June 14, 2022 4:56 PM BST
Report politicspunter June 14, 2022 5:01 PM BST

Jun 14, 2022 -- 3:16PM, akabula wrote:


It won't happen.Nothing has changed since 2014.


Everything has changed, particularly leaving the EU.

Report politicspunter June 14, 2022 5:03 PM BST

Jun 14, 2022 -- 3:22PM, akabula wrote:


This is all you need to know.Latest poll on independence.55% NO45% YES2014 Referendum for independence55% NO45% YESSturgeon hasn't moved the cause forward by even 1%


The route to losing all your money is to follow one solitary poll and believe it to be 100% accurate.

Report akabula June 14, 2022 5:04 PM BST
This is all you need to know.

Latest poll on independence.
55% NO
45% YES


2014 Referendum for independence
55% NO
45% YES


Sturgeon hasn't moved the cause forward by even 1%
Report politicspunter June 14, 2022 5:09 PM BST
You don't get it, do you? You have chosen one poll at random that suits your agenda, nothing more.
Report akabula June 14, 2022 5:19 PM BST
Everything has changed, particularly leaving the EU.

The 2014 White Paper warned that a vote to remain in the UK Union
could see us taken out of the EU at a later date.
Despite this the public voted NO to independence.
That was 2,001,926 voters whilst only 1,611,191 voted to remain in the EU referendum.

No matter how you look at it, its obvious that remaining in Union with England, Northern Ireland and Wales is much more important than remaining in the EU.
Report politicspunter June 14, 2022 5:20 PM BST
There is no connection whatsoever between the number of people who voted in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum and the EU referendum.
Report akabula June 14, 2022 5:21 PM BST
Well until you show me a different poll I'll continue to use it.
Report politicspunter June 14, 2022 5:22 PM BST
You are simply picking a snapshot in time that suits your agenda. There will be literally dozens of polls, possibly hundreds.
Report politicspunter June 14, 2022 5:25 PM BST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence
.

There you go, pick any one poll that suits your agenda.
Report akabula June 14, 2022 5:59 PM BST
It doesn't really matter as you know that there will not be a referendum next year.
Sturgeon is simply buying time and hoping for a miracle.
Internal fighting in the party has brought this on.
Report TheBetterBettor June 14, 2022 6:07 PM BST
scotland had their chance and blew it...


next

irish border poll
welsh referendum
shetland islands independence


then scotland in 2055
Report politicspunter June 14, 2022 6:12 PM BST

Jun 14, 2022 -- 5:59PM, akabula wrote:


It doesn't really matter as you know that there will not be a referendum next year.Sturgeon is simply buying time and hoping for a miracle.Internal fighting in the party has brought this on.


It's nothing to do with internal fighting. The only person that can grant a referendum is Boris and he won't do it.

Report akabula June 14, 2022 6:30 PM BST
@TBB
The Shetlanders see themselves more Scandinavian than Scottish.
Report mmmalushka June 15, 2022 8:21 AM BST
Grasping the thistle.
by weegingerdug
The first in the Scottish Government’s series of papers laying the groundwork for a fresh case for independence has been published. With its publication the second independence referendum campaign has now officially got underway. Today’s paper, entitled : ‘Independence in the Modern World. Wealthier, Happier, Fairer: Why Not Scotland?’ looks at an uncomfortable truth that opponents of independence are keen to gloss over, why is it that every comparable northern European country which is similar to Scotland in size does so much better than Scotland does as a part of the UK.

This is true across diverse metrics, equality, wealth, productivity and the happiness of their citizens. Yet these countries often do not possess the many advantages that Scotland does, such as Scotland’s wealth of natural resources, the skills and talents of a high educated English speaking population It seems clear from the evidence presented by this paper that the status quo is not allowing Scotland to fulfill its potential, and that the UK economic model, and Westminster decision-making, are holding the country back. The paper demonstrates, objectively and with an abundance of supporting information and examples that we are decidedly not “better together”. As the SNP Depute Leader Keith Brown pointed out : “A decade of Tory austerity coupled with a Brexit that Scotland didn’t vote for has made us poorer.”

And as the First Minister said in an interview on the BBC this morning, if the people of Scotland had known in 2014 the path that British governments were going to take in the years since the referendum she has no doubt that Scotland would have given a very different answer to the referendum question in the ballot in September that year. Indeed the failure of the Better Together parties to deliver on the promises and commitments that they made to Scotland in the 2014 campaign is by itself reason enough to revisit the question of independence. After all if the electorate cannot hold politicians to account at the ballot box for the promises they made, then democracy is dead. The people of Scotland gave their verdict on whether they wanted another independence referendum at last year’s Holyrood election, no matter how much the Better Together parties might wish to argue otherwise, the question of whether Scotland wants to revisit the independence issue has been asked and has been settled. Democracy demands another independence referendum.

Nicola Sturgeon has also addressed the question of how the referendum will be held saying that it will take place with or without a Section 30 order. Speaking to the BBC the First Minister suggested the Scottish Government would explore other avenues to hold an independence referendum outside of the route used in 2014. One way or another, Scotland will have its say. The future of this nation is for the people of Scotland to decide, not Boris Johnson.

The building a new Scotland series of documents will together form the prospectus for an independent Scotland, addressing the huge potential an independent Scotland will have and challenges that will be faced after a Yes vote. The First Minister said that future papers, which are already in development, would address issues such as international trade and currency. I do not propose in this blog piece to rehash all the arguments presented in the paper. The best thing you can do is to read the 72 page document for yourself. You can download it here in pdf format by clicking the following link : Independence in the Modern World. Wealthier, Happier, Fairer: Why Not Scotland pdf. CLICK HERE.

Of course finances and the economy are vitally important and I have not the slightest doubt that independence is key to unleashing Scotland’s immense economic potential and using it for the benefit of the people of Scotland instead of syphoning it off to give a further boost to the already wealthy city of London and South East of England. With independence Scotland can be more prosperous, fairer, and more just. However these are topics which are best addressed by people with greater financial and economic expertise than I possess and in the weeks and months ahead I will use this blog to give a platform to some of their arguments and ideas. However today as the starting pistol is fired on a reinvigorated and renewed independence campaign, what I’d like to talk about instead is a more profound and fundamental reason why independence is vital.

I touched on this at the end of yesterday’s blog piece in which I pointed out that in the eyes of the rest of the world as a part of the UK Scotland is tarred with the ugly British nationalist exceptionalist brush which is so enthusiastically wielded by the Westminster Conservatives and the Johnson regime. Independence gives Scotland the opportunity to define itself as a nation, to say to the world what it stands for and what it represents.

Today the Johnson regime is determined to press ahead with its callous cruel and immoral policy of sending asylum seekers on a one way ticket to Rwanda despite the policy being denounced by the UN as an egregious breach of international law. The British Government is also going ahead with its decision to rip up an international treaty which it itself negotiated and in the process risk a trade war with the EU just as people are struggling to cope with the worst cost of living crisis for decades. This is what the UK is now, a law breaking state governed by a liar and a law breaker where corruption, entitlement and privilege enrich a few at the expense of the many, where the rich and connected are free to ignore those rules that they find inconvenient and which feeds the masses flags, the glorification of the military and the monarchy instead of a dignified standard of living. If we remain with Westminster the future is one of continuing decline, of a hollowing out of democracy, of a further descent into a right wing British nationalist nostalgia where flags, parades and royal events substitute for the participation of citizens in power and decision making.

Scotland doesn’t have to be like this. We can be better than what Johnson and the sclerotic and corrupt Westminster system can offer. Scotland can be a beacon of respect for democracy, the rule of law and human rights. Scotland can be a nation which prioritises fairness and equality, and which is an honest and trustworthy partner to its international friends and allies. We can be a nation which is seamlessly integrated into the network of advanced European economies. Scotland can be a nation which looks to the future, a future which respects the environment and strives to build a sustainable economy so that generations to come can continue to share equally in the bounty which this rich land of ours has to offer. All we have to do is to grasp the thistle.

Report cryoftruth June 15, 2022 9:13 AM BST
The Shetlanders see themselves more Scandinavian than Scottish

Complete bilge.
Report xmoneyx June 15, 2022 11:18 AM BST
referendum

oct

2023
Report mmmalushka June 15, 2022 2:45 PM BST



All systems go.
Report mmmalushka June 15, 2022 2:48 PM BST
And here's some photos for any Quislingingerers,Scotiaphobes or Vichyscotch that are lurking about.

Report casemoney June 15, 2022 3:43 PM BST


Nice to see Ferguson modelling the new pro indie  St Andrews  outfit
Report mmmalushka June 15, 2022 4:02 PM BST
Thank God for BOOZO.
Report akabula June 15, 2022 5:06 PM BST
If Sturgeon is so convinced that the legal advice
she sought gives her the right to have indyref2
without Boris Johnstons permission why has she
refused to publish the advice in full?
Report akabula June 15, 2022 5:10 PM BST
What a load of rubbish. Indyref1 white paper given a gloss over.
And whats the currency? TBF she might still be considering malushkas idea. Laugh

It aint happening. Sturgeon buying time and trying to keep her followers happy.
Report akabula June 15, 2022 6:52 PM BST
I think she needs mor botox.
Report mmmalushka June 16, 2022 8:03 AM BST
Gruesome for Stephen Kerr
by weegingerdug
Scottish Tory MSP Stephen Kerr has claimed that the 2014 independence referendum campaign was “gruesome” and that the next referendum is going to be even worse. There are indeed many things about the next independence referendum campaign which are going to be gruesome, not the least of which is the appalling prospect of having to deal with more of Stephen Kerr on our TV screens. However he is right in one sense, the 2014 independence referendum campaign was indeed gruesome for British nationalists like Stephen Kerr because despite their early confident predictions that they’d achieve a No vote in excess of 70%, by the time that the vote came around they very nearly lost, and next year’s independence referendum will be even more gruesome for British nationalists because they are going to lose. I suspect however that that is not what Kerr meant.

British nationalist Brexit supporting Tories like Kerr like to wring their hands about how “divisive” the referendum supposedly was and how it divided families, communities, and towns, because Scottish people are apparently so immature that they are incapable of having a democratic debate without getting out the pitchforks and torches dipped in tar. It is funny how Kerr and his Conservative colleagues did not have similar qualms about Brexit and decided to press ahead with the most extreme form of Brexit possible despite the narrowness of the leave victory in the 2016 EU referendum. They were none too concerned about healing divisions then.

Likewise the Anglo-British nationalist parties were not too bothered about reconciling the 45% of Scotland’s voters who voted Yes in 2014 to the No victory, something that they could have done by ensuring that all the promises and commitments made to Scotland by the Better Together parties during the referendum campaign in an effort to secure a victory for the No side were properly fulfilled both in spirit and to the letter. Instead the Better Together parties competed with one another to reduce to a minimum the extra powers promised to Holyrood and then the Conservatives went even further down the path of duplicitous mendacity by using the Brexit that Scotland didn’t vote for in order to unilaterally undermine the devolution settlement and to make changes to devolution without even pretending to seek a democratic mandate from the people of Scotland in order to do so.

Had the Conservatives and their Better Together allies kept all the promises that they made, people like me would still be arguing for Scottish independence, however the steam would well and truly have gone out of the independence movement and we would not currently be looking at a second independence referendum in 2023. Stephen Kerr and his British nationalist fellow travellers have only got themselves to blame for that.

Of course the “divisiveness” that the likes of Kerr is really upset about is that the referendum campaign of 2013 to 2014 overturned the apparently cosy unionist consensus in Scotland, it normalised the idea of independence amongst the wider Scottish public and in Scottish political discourse and meant that Anglo-British nationalist supremacists like Stephen Kerr could no longer mouth off in the golf club bar about how incapable and hopeless they think Scotland is without their assumptions being challenged.

You can bet your last penny however that following a Yes victory in the next independence referendum Kerr and the Scottish Tories will be loudly screaming about the need for the winning Yes side to make huge compromises in order to placate and reassure the losing No side.

It is also very noticeable that the Conservatives and their allies never acknowledge that the only violence which resulted from the independence campaign in 2014 came from British nationalist extremists who went on a rampage after the result was announced, attacking and assaulting peaceful independence supporters on the streets of Glasgow. To its eternal shame BBC Scotland reported this ugly outbreak of British nationalist violence as “clashes between supporters and opponents of independence” as though there were a moral equivalence between British nationalist thugs and the peaceful victims of their unprovoked attacks. This time it is vital that Police Scotland make it clear that the violent entitlement of sectarian British nationalists will not be tolerated.

The next independence referendum however will be uglier because although the anti-independence campaign was characterised by its negativity, threats and scaremongering, the Better Together campaign was able to proffer some carrots in the shape of Gordon Brown’s now infamous Vow. That is not a trick that they will be able to pull off in the next referendum. Scotland has learned the hard way that promises made to Scotland by anti-independence parties in order to secure a No vote in an independence referendum are not worth the breath it takes to utter them, and that goes double for anything that issues from the mouth of serial liar and treaty and law breaker Boris Johnson. We all know that it’s only the threat of another referendum which prevents Johnson from abolishing any meaningful powers that Holyrood has, and that the second a No vote is secured the Conservatives will strip the Scottish Parliament of anything that runs counter to Westminster’s wishes and will reduce it to a toothless talking shop.

Equally Better Together 2.0 cannot deploy the tactic it used in the 2014 campaign, framing the debate as one between a parochial and backward looking Scottish nationalism and an internationalist outward looking non-nationalist unionism. Brexit has exposed the true and ugly nature of British nationalism in all its xenophobia, reactionary nostalgia and flag waving hypocrisy. It is Scottish independence which now promises true internationalism and deeper and more meaningful ties to our European neighbours.

All that the anti-independence parties have left now are threats, scare stories and intimidation tactics. The next independence referendum campaign will indeed be gruesome for Stephen Kerr because in that campaign all the consequences of Conservative lies, deceit and British nationalist hypocrisy will come home to roost. They have nothing to offer Scotland except continuing decline, more lies, and a Westminster that can never be held to account. That is why they are going to lose.

Report mmmalushka June 16, 2022 8:06 AM BST
Gruesome for Stephen Kerr Jun
15
by weegingerdug
Scottish Tory MSP Stephen Kerr has claimed that the 2014 independence referendum campaign was “gruesome” and that the next referendum is going to be even worse. There are indeed many things about the next independence referendum campaign which are going to be gruesome, not the least of which is the appalling prospect of having to deal with more of Stephen Kerr on our TV screens. However he is right in one sense, the 2014 independence referendum campaign was indeed gruesome for British nationalists like Stephen Kerr because despite their early confident predictions that they’d achieve a No vote in excess of 70%, by the time that the vote came around they very nearly lost, and next year’s independence referendum will be even more gruesome for British nationalists because they are going to lose. I suspect however that that is not what Kerr meant.

British nationalist Brexit supporting Tories like Kerr like to wring their hands about how “divisive” the referendum supposedly was and how it divided families, communities, and towns, because Scottish people are apparently so immature that they are incapable of having a democratic debate without getting out the pitchforks and torches dipped in tar. It is funny how Kerr and his Conservative colleagues did not have similar qualms about Brexit and decided to press ahead with the most extreme form of Brexit possible despite the narrowness of the leave victory in the 2016 EU referendum. They were none too concerned about healing divisions then.

Likewise the Anglo-British nationalist parties were not too bothered about reconciling the 45% of Scotland’s voters who voted Yes in 2014 to the No victory, something that they could have done by ensuring that all the promises and commitments made to Scotland by the Better Together parties during the referendum campaign in an effort to secure a victory for the No side were properly fulfilled both in spirit and to the letter. Instead the Better Together parties competed with one another to reduce to a minimum the extra powers promised to Holyrood and then the Conservatives went even further down the path of duplicitous mendacity by using the Brexit that Scotland didn’t vote for in order to unilaterally undermine the devolution settlement and to make changes to devolution without even pretending to seek a democratic mandate from the people of Scotland in order to do so.

Had the Conservatives and their Better Together allies kept all the promises that they made, people like me would still be arguing for Scottish independence, however the steam would well and truly have gone out of the independence movement and we would not currently be looking at a second independence referendum in 2023. Stephen Kerr and his British nationalist fellow travellers have only got themselves to blame for that.

Of course the “divisiveness” that the likes of Kerr is really upset about is that the referendum campaign of 2013 to 2014 overturned the apparently cosy unionist consensus in Scotland, it normalised the idea of independence amongst the wider Scottish public and in Scottish political discourse and meant that Anglo-British nationalist supremacists like Stephen Kerr could no longer mouth off in the golf club bar about how incapable and hopeless they think Scotland is without their assumptions being challenged.

You can bet your last penny however that following a Yes victory in the next independence referendum Kerr and the Scottish Tories will be loudly screaming about the need for the winning Yes side to make huge compromises in order to placate and reassure the losing No side.

It is also very noticeable that the Conservatives and their allies never acknowledge that the only violence which resulted from the independence campaign in 2014 came from British nationalist extremists who went on a rampage after the result was announced, attacking and assaulting peaceful independence supporters on the streets of Glasgow. To its eternal shame BBC Scotland reported this ugly outbreak of British nationalist violence as “clashes between supporters and opponents of independence” as though there were a moral equivalence between British nationalist thugs and the peaceful victims of their unprovoked attacks. This time it is vital that Police Scotland make it clear that the violent entitlement of sectarian British nationalists will not be tolerated.

The next independence referendum however will be uglier because although the anti-independence campaign was characterised by its negativity, threats and scaremongering, the Better Together campaign was able to proffer some carrots in the shape of Gordon Brown’s now infamous Vow. That is not a trick that they will be able to pull off in the next referendum. Scotland has learned the hard way that promises made to Scotland by anti-independence parties in order to secure a No vote in an independence referendum are not worth the breath it takes to utter them, and that goes double for anything that issues from the mouth of serial liar and treaty and law breaker Boris Johnson. We all know that it’s only the threat of another referendum which prevents Johnson from abolishing any meaningful powers that Holyrood has, and that the second a No vote is secured the Conservatives will strip the Scottish Parliament of anything that runs counter to Westminster’s wishes and will reduce it to a toothless talking shop.

Equally Better Together 2.0 cannot deploy the tactic it used in the 2014 campaign, framing the debate as one between a parochial and backward looking Scottish nationalism and an internationalist outward looking non-nationalist unionism. Brexit has exposed the true and ugly nature of British nationalism in all its xenophobia, reactionary nostalgia and flag waving hypocrisy. It is Scottish independence which now promises true internationalism and deeper and more meaningful ties to our European neighbours.

All that the anti-independence parties have left now are threats, scare stories and intimidation tactics. The next independence referendum campaign will indeed be gruesome for Stephen Kerr because in that campaign all the consequences of Conservative lies, deceit and British nationalist hypocrisy will come home to roost. They have nothing to offer Scotland except continuing decline, more lies, and a Westminster that can never be held to account. That is why they are going to lose.

Report xmoneyx June 16, 2022 12:15 PM BST
nicola roasting douglas ross FMQs Wink
Report LoyalHoncho June 16, 2022 2:02 PM BST
I wonder who is using that handholder's brain cell today?
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Report mmmalushka June 17, 2022 8:15 AM BST
That’s what democracy is all about.
by weegingerdug
For the anti-independence parties it’s 2011 all over again. When then First Minister Alex Salmond announced the Scottish Government’s intention to hold an independence referendum following the SNP victory in the 2011 Scottish Parliament election, the Conservatives and Labour immediately denounced it.

Westminster would never allow a referendum, we were told, and in any case Labour and the Tories were quite certain that it was unlawful, divisive and unnecessary and the people of Scotland didn’t really want it anyway. In the months that followed there were threats that the referendum would be struck down by the courts, warnings about “wildcat” or “illegal” referendums, and the confident assertion that the British Government would slap an uppity Holyrood down. There was much talk in the media of whether Scotland would or would not be “allowed” to hold another referendum, a discussion which was underpinned by the unspoken and unchallenged assumption that Scotland could have no agency in determining its own fate. Scotland was but a supplicant begging Westminster for a ballot that was in Westminster’s sole power to give. Talk of “granting” a Section 30 order is a telling admission of how British nationalism really perceives Scotland’s place in what they like to tell us is a family of nations.  It’s a decidedly subordinate place.

There followed a game of brinkmanship between Holyrood and Westminster, until eventually, faced with the realisation that his government risked losing any input into the process, David Cameron agreed to a Section 30 order in order to maintain the political fiction that Westminster was still in control of the course of events. Ten years on and here we are again. Westminster is still desperate to maintain the political fiction that it is in control of the course of events.

It all sounds very familiar the second time around although now we have the added screech notes that the 2014 referendum was “supposed to be once in a generation” as though the campaign rhetoric of Alex Salmond represented a binding commitment – you might even say “Vow”, if it were not for the fact that that’s a word which triggers the heirs of Better Together – that binds the entirety of the Scottish nation for as long as it suits the Westminster parties, parties for whom the shelf life of an unkept promise is shorter than a five day old bottle of milk sitting out in direct sunshine, Viz. The Vow.

The British nationalist parties have learned nothing from their experience of ten years ago and still act as though it is a viable strategy to bully and threaten the people of Scotland and lecture us about how democracy is unlawful when it doesn’t suit the interests of British nationalism. This is not the way to sell the supposed benefits of Westminster rule to an increasingly dubious Scotland. “Stay with us Scotland so we can prevent you from having any say over your future,” is not exactly a winning slogan.

We are now a long way on from former leader of the Scottish Conservatives Ruth Davidson’s words of wisdom, well OK not so much wisdom as a statement of the bleedin’ obvious, back in 2007 at the end of that year’s Holyrood election which produced no majority in the Scottish Parliament for an independence referendum, and as the SNP was about to govern as a minority administration, the would be Saviour of the Union opined: “You don’t get a referendum for free, you have to earn it. So if the Greens and the SNP and the SSP, or any of the other parties who have declared an interest in independence, get it over the line and can make a coalition, make a majority, get the votes in the Parliament, then they’ll vote through a referendum. That’s what democracy is all about.”

Fifteen years later and the Conservatives appear to have forgotten what democracy is all about. Evidence from 2021 Scottish Election Study shows that the majority of people in Scotland – 61% – think that Holyrood has a mandate to deliver an independence referendum. The election was only a year ago but Ross and Sarwar seem to be hoping that we all have very short memories and don’t recall that the election was completely dominated by the issue of a second independence referendum. That election was effectively a referendum on a referendum and by the rules of democratic elections it was decisively settled in favour of those who want another referendum. We are no longer debating whether the people of Scotland want another referendum. That question has been answered. Attempts by Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar to rehash their arguments from last year are merely the undemocratic complaints of sore losers.  The people have Scotland have decided that this is the time for another referendum.  It’s not a decision for the losers of last year’s election to make.

The fundamental issue here is that those who believe that a referendum and the question of Scottish independence can be halted in its tracks by legal means are committing a category error. The question of Scottish independence is a political question not a legal one, and as such it can only be settled through a political process, not through the courts. An appeal to the courts by opponents of independence can only ever provide a delaying tactic not a definitive solution.

The Scottish Government will shortly set out its plans on holding a lawful vote with or without Westminster “granting” Scotland something which is already inherently Scotland’s, the right of the people of this country to choose for themselves the form of government best suited to their needs. It may only be then that Westminster will realise that if it wishes to maintain the fiction that it is in control of events that it will cooperate in facilitating a referendum and that Westminster’s last best hope of preventing independence is not to show the people of Scotland that democracy in Scotland is impossible as long as Scotland remains a part of a Conservative dominated Westminster.

Indeed politically an appeal to the courts to block the referendum is a very dangerous road for them to go down, because it would provide definitive proof that they do not respect the democratic will of the people of Scotland and create the strong impression that they seek to hide from the ballot box because they are afraid of the answer that the electorate might give. If the courts try to block a referendum, the river of politics will simply find another course, one which flows all the stronger because of the attempt to dam it. And by that time the Conservatives and the Labour party will have lost any chance of influencing the process. The anti independence parties can either accept what democracy is all about or be swept away by democracy. The ball is in the court of the people of Scotland, not theirs.

Report akabula June 17, 2022 5:53 PM BST
A mod keeps removing this image.
Report casemoney June 17, 2022 7:35 PM BST
The old Covid restriction extention's didn't go too well  1 in 30  now Plain
Report akabula June 17, 2022 7:52 PM BST
Sturgeon more concerned with a referendum that anybody with any sense knows won't happen.
Report casemoney June 17, 2022 8:17 PM BST
No Sign of Kenny boy not posted for a Month Plain
Report politicspunter June 17, 2022 8:33 PM BST

Jun 17, 2022 -- 7:52PM, akabula wrote:


Sturgeon more concerned with a referendum that anybody with any sense knows won't happen.


The only way it could happen is if Boris isn't the PM.

Report cryoftruth June 17, 2022 9:58 PM BST

Sturgeon more concerned with a referendum that anybody with any sense knows won't happen.


Amazing how some are so delighted to see the country of Scotland denied her right to choose whether or not to be free rather than under the Tory jackboot.
Report xmoneyx June 17, 2022 11:07 PM BST
SCOTTISH nationalists in Westminster have been directed to give their ‘absolute full support’ to a sex pest MP, the Mail can reveal.

A secret recording exposes how the SNP’s leader in the Commons told MPs to rally around shamed Patrick Grady.

In the bombshell tape, leaked to this newspaper, a gathering of the parliamentary group can be heard shouting ‘hear, hear’ at calls for him to be supported.

The SNP is refusing to expel Grady after he was found to have made ‘unwanted sexual advances’ towards a teenager. The former chief whip was accused of touching and stroking the neck, hair and back of a 19-year-old male party worker at a London pub.

A Westminster probe concluded earlier this week that he had significantly breached Parliament’s sexual misconduct policy with the disturbing overtures towards a junior staff member in 2016. Grady, now 42, was handed a two-day suspension from the Commons.Sad
Report akabula June 18, 2022 4:00 PM BST
Report akabula June 18, 2022 4:11 PM BST
Sturgeons 'legal' case for holding a referendum without Johnsons permission is doomed to failure.
Thats the verdict of the vast majority of the legal world.
Even the EU have laughed it off.

Sturgeon buying time to try and stop the in-fighting.
It won't happen. LaughLaughLaugh
Report mmmalushka June 19, 2022 8:23 AM BST
Report mmmalushka June 19, 2022 12:20 PM BST
Talking of disasters.

Report akabula June 19, 2022 12:22 PM BST
This guy is beyond deluded.
More cooperation between Scotland and Austria he says.
Can anyone point to any cooperation we've had with them?
Anything to look important for Agnes.

Report akabula June 20, 2022 4:34 PM BST
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One mod removing images that another mod approved.
I think we have a rogue mod.
Not surprised, be on minimum wages.. Laugh
Report akabula June 20, 2022 4:38 PM BST
Imagine going about dressed like this.
Report mmmalushka June 20, 2022 8:21 PM BST
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Report akabula June 22, 2022 3:44 PM BST
LaughExcitedLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Desperate stuff from malushka
Report akabula June 22, 2022 3:55 PM BST
Ursula von der Leyen the failed German Defence Minister.
Her department was under investigation for corruption and dodgy contracts.
Yes just the type to give Sturgeon a reference LaughLaughLaugh
Report akabula June 22, 2022 4:00 PM BST
And are the satellites being built for the UK space Agency?
Great to see the Union at work.
Report politicspunter June 22, 2022 4:05 PM BST
Ursula von der Leyen is an incredibly successful person.
Report mmmalushka June 22, 2022 7:07 PM BST
Ursula von der Leyen has seven chidren to one father.

Boozo has at least seven children to three mothers,plus at least one aborted.

Report akabula June 22, 2022 7:10 PM BST
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Report mmmalushka June 23, 2022 11:31 AM BST
Any Bigots, Quislingingerers,Scotiaphobes or Vichyscotch about?


Report casemoney June 23, 2022 1:00 PM BST


Wot Appening Here ? Where Pete Wheres ur Wedding Ring ?

Probably Just a bit of DOWN time ?
Report casemoney June 23, 2022 1:06 PM BST
No wonder Kenny Aint posted for a Month LaughLaugh
Report mmmalushka June 23, 2022 4:03 PM BST
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Report akabula June 23, 2022 4:13 PM BST
This summed the SNP up.
Report akabula June 23, 2022 4:16 PM BST
Report akabula June 23, 2022 4:19 PM BST
FACT v Malushkas fiction Laugh
Report casemoney June 23, 2022 6:46 PM BST
Will Ferguson be on GMB in Tears with Schofield holding her Hand Laugh

Betfair Deleted the Photo From My Library  .. Laugh
Laugh
Any Idea whats going in the Pic I posted AKA ?
Report akabula June 23, 2022 6:57 PM BST
Vive l'amour
Does that answer your question Case? Wink
Report casemoney June 23, 2022 7:07 PM BST
Laugh  Rumour's Petey Boy  is Batting for the Other side ,I'm not referring to the Scottish Tories LaughLaugh
Report akabula June 23, 2022 7:15 PM BST
Laugh
Report mmmalushka June 24, 2022 8:47 AM BST
BOOZO must stay. A disastrous result in the two bye bye elections for Scotland.BOOZO must stay. UKIP,NF,EDF,BNP and all the rest say BOOZO must stay.British Nationalists must stand firm with BOOZO. Dont forget BOOZO must stay.
Report casemoney June 24, 2022 2:19 PM BST
1 in 20 Now with Covid , Just as well she extended those restrictions
Report casemoney June 24, 2022 2:19 PM BST
1 in 20 Now with Covid , Just as well she extended those restrictions
Report northanlite June 24, 2022 11:19 PM BST
I'm losing patience with the SNP. Blackford should have been gone days ago.
they are making arrogant stupid mistakes on a daily basis. Maybe Ms Sturgeon
has lost perspective as people in positions of power tend to.
Report casemoney June 25, 2022 12:08 AM BST
Rumours awash on the Internet about Sturgeons  personal Life, Sham marriage Etc , The husband not been seen with her in Ages ,Wedding ring off

She is meant to be a Lesbian at least 2 affairs ,TBH its no bodies business,but in Politics it is,  Why not be open about it ? There in is the Problem , Makes no sense ... They are Rumours  and Perhaps  not True but I doubt that .. 

She is a strong Supporter of the LGBT why not just say whats going on ?

As for Blackford and the Others cheering on a sex case Beggars belief .. I would not have believed that ,But again True
Report LoyalHoncho June 25, 2022 4:24 AM BST
Cheering it on?  Seriously?  And like Dame Kelly who the fck cares?
Report mmmalushka June 25, 2022 11:52 AM BST
Any Racists, Bigots,Quislingingerers,Scotiaphobes,Vichyscotch or Homophobes about.

Report casemoney June 25, 2022 2:23 PM BST
You wanna lay off the Drink MMMa your brains Addled Grin
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