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Berlin witnessed chaotic scenes and violent brawls on Sunday as riot police sought to forcefully disperse anti-lockdown rallies that had been banned by authorities, after tens of thousands took to the streets of the German capital.
The marching crowds broke through the chains of police on several occasions, prompting a heavy-handed response
officers clashed with a group of elderly women.
police officers hitting a teenage boy in the face as he was lying on the ground.
police officers engaging in brutal fist fights with demonstrators, as well as punching them in the gut and kicking them
Some 600 people have been arrested
police  outnumbered by the demonstrators. The officers were unable to stop the dense crowds despite attempts to push people back
helicopters were hovering over the city. Water cannon were used
protests are usually banned by authorities, who point to the fact that such demonstrators refuse to abide by the existing rules for demonstrations
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Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 2:55 PM BST
edy the government lies to them about so much

how are they supposed to know what to believe, and what not to believe?

ok i believe the government and the media about 5G, but not about covid

racism? lies

vaccine? truth

it's hard work
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 2:56 PM BST
I would imagine in time , it will be a much worse situation ,as the true scale of this evolves
For business ,public, enforcement.. (Pay rise)!

Half of America  don't want  health IDs.
Time will tell I guess

Israel protects too! Surprising how unwanted the health i.d. Is!
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:11 PM BST
Germany:

2,000 cases and 20 deaths a day and people aren't allowed to protest

lol free thinking cringe right idiots
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:11 PM BST
thank you muti for keeping us safe from this deadly pandemic Love
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:14 PM BST
figures in France higher, but nobody is dying there either

20,000 cases and 20 deaths

LoveLoveLove we need to act now to stop the spread of this deadly variant
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:15 PM BST
we could end up like the UK AngryAngryAngryAngry
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:16 PM BST
sixty deaths there yesterday

imagine that happened here sacre bleu AngryAngryAngry
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:26 PM BST
People are allowed to protest.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:31 PM BST
why were the rallies banned?
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 3:32 PM BST
*Protests.. Some1 fix predictive text ..

Steady rise in hospitalization hmmmm.! Madman Tony
Paul reid.(.hse).. Slow rising numbers
3 extra icu!

Where are theses 10,000+ ? 5 days to go...
change the law NOW..he health i.d .?
Pure class Confused
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:32 PM BST
Because they have continued to refused to follow some simple rules in past allowed protests and did stuff like storm the Reichstag. Rules that apply to everybody else.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:33 PM BST
so they can't protest

understood

the government decides who has and who hasn't the right to protest
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:34 PM BST
No, that is wrong. They and everybody else is free to protest.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:35 PM BST
lol you can protest as long as you follow every one of our rules

if you break them you will no longer have the right to protest
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:36 PM BST
I'm glad to be a Gemarican because at least I know I'm free Love
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:37 PM BST
they weren't free to protest on sunday
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:37 PM BST
here you go lads: this is your designated protest space
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:38 PM BST
If you break them all the time on purpose, storm the Reichstag and continue to beat up police men, you eventually get told to **** off if you announce you again intent to break the rules.
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:38 PM BST

Aug 2, 2021 -- 9:37AM, Giuseppe wrote:


here you go lads: this is your designated protest space


That's actually common policy, and has been for a long time.

Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:39 PM BST
so you have the right to protest, except when you don't

understood
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:39 PM BST
i believe the government and police should decide who can exercise the right to protest
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 3:40 PM BST
Off topic
But a study on Germaphobia ..
Rising thru media  fear propagandaTongue Out

New book ?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:41 PM BST
it's very important you remain within your designated space

God knows what could happen otherwise

if you refuse to obey these simple instructions, you won't be allowed to protest again
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:41 PM BST
No, everybody has the right to protest. Police and state can however form some simple rules that everybody can easily abide to without problem.
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:42 PM BST
Like saying they will call the protest off if you start chanting for the eradication of jews.
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 3:42 PM BST
I seen some video edy ..very bad police tactics
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:43 PM BST
so you don't really have the right to protest

you have the right to protest "as long as you behave"

and the police and government will decide when you have been sufficiently naughty to have protest rights suspended

nothing worrying about that
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:43 PM BST
Yeah, police let folks get away with far too much.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:44 PM BST
lol bringing nazis into it

quelle surprise
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:45 PM BST
"some simple rules that everybody can easily abide to without problem."

it would appear that some fight it difficult to abide with the rules
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:45 PM BST

Aug 2, 2021 -- 9:43AM, Giuseppe wrote:


so you don't really have the right to protestyou have the right to protest "as long as you behave"and the police and government will decide when you have been sufficiently naughty to have protest rights suspendednothing worrying about that


Well, quite obviously you have to stay within rules and laws during your protest if you do not want it called off.

Giuseppe • August 2, 2021 3:44 PM BST
lol bringing nazis into it

quelle surprise


German Querdenkers are filled with nazis.

Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:45 PM BST
yes, dissent should not be permitted at all
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:46 PM BST
Giuseppe, stop making stuff up and creating strawmen. It's tiresome.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:46 PM BST
we're going to ban every protest where some people break "the rules"

what could possibly go wrong?
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 3:47 PM BST
Ireland,france,German ,Italy .. Cry same sh1t different day
Not how you get the public onside
But hey ho..
The backlash is often forgotten
As history shows
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:47 PM BST
Nothing, because Germany is a mature democracy with a strong constitution and constitutional court. Institutions that ensure the hurdles are high.
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 3:47 PM BST
germany,France officers clashed with a group of elderly women.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:48 PM BST
the German police / government are banning protests

that isn't a strawman and should concern you

unless there is mass looting and death these protests should not be stopped
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 3:48 PM BST
We went for the kids ..ExcitedWink
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:48 PM BST
it's not realistic to expect everybody in these protests to behave all day long

there will always be some argy-bargy
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:49 PM BST
Giuseppe • August 2, 2021 3:48 PM BST
it's not realistic to expect everybody in these protests to behave all day long


What did I just tell you about strawmen? Nobody expects everybody to "behave" all day long.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:50 PM BST
"Nothing, because Germany is a mature democracy with a strong constitution and constitutional court. Institutions that ensure the hurdles are high."

you've been restricting people's freedom for 18 months because some people think covid "might" cause a large number of deaths otherwise
Report shiny new shoes please August 2, 2021 3:50 PM BST
Drinking \ fun\ mixing is prohibited
Papers please
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:51 PM BST
you can't leave the country, protests are being banned and vaccines are de facto mandatory

nothing to see here
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:51 PM BST
VERE IS YOUR HEALTH PAPERS
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:51 PM BST
Everybody is free to leave the country whenever they wish, protests are allowed, and vaccines are definitely not de facto mandatory.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:53 PM BST
"Nobody expects everybody to "behave" all day long. "

lol so the government will decide when "too many" are breaking the rules

10% ok, 15% not ok?
Report Foinavon August 2, 2021 3:53 PM BST
edy
edy02 Aug 21 14:32Joined: 13 Dec 06 | Topic/replies: 246,526 | Blogger: edy's blog
Because they have continued to refused to follow some simple rules in past allowed protests and did stuff like storm the Reichstag. Rules that apply to everybody else.


Would it be OK to burn down the Reichstag building edy?
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:53 PM BST
More like 95% not ok, repeatedly all the time coupled with a storming of the Reichstag.
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:54 PM BST

Aug 2, 2021 -- 9:53AM, Foinavon wrote:


edyedy02 Aug 21 14:32Joined: 13 Dec 06 | Topic/replies: 246,526 | Blogger: edy's blogBecause they have continued to refused to follow some simple rules in past allowed protests and did stuff like storm the Reichstag. Rules that apply to everybody else.Would it be OK to burn down the Reichstag building edy?


No, let's not give Merkel an excuse to become Dictatoress.

Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:55 PM BST
yes you can leave the country as long as you are happy to be vaccinated, pay exorbitant fees for tests and possibly quarantine too

these people weren't allowed protest

if you can't live a normal life without being vaccianted, then it is facto mandatory
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:56 PM BST
95% of protesters are doing what? attacking police?
Report Foinavon August 2, 2021 3:56 PM BST
I thought you liked Mutti. Sad
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:58 PM BST
"a storming of the Reichstag. "

are they carrying machine guns and hand grenades?
Report edy August 2, 2021 3:58 PM BST
You can leave the country without having been vaccinated, paying exorbitant fees for tests or quarantine.

These people were not allowed to protest in one specific city after they kept breaking the rules despite being given chance after chance. They could have promised to not be turd sandwiches this time around, or simply gone to a different city.

You can live a normal life without being vaccinated.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:58 PM BST
is it beyond the competence of the police to keep the protesters away from the reichstag?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 3:59 PM BST
"You can leave the country without having been vaccinated, paying exorbitant fees for tests or quarantine."

reallY? where can you go, and what happens when you come back?
Report edy August 2, 2021 4:00 PM BST
You can go to e.g England. You didn't say anything about coming back initially.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 4:00 PM BST
"You can live a normal life without being vaccinated. "

I don't know what eactly the situation is in Germany, but yiou certainly can't live a normal life in Ireland, france or italy
Report edy August 2, 2021 4:00 PM BST
Who would ever want to go back to Germany after having set foot in England anyway?
Report edy August 2, 2021 4:00 PM BST

Aug 2, 2021 -- 10:00AM, Giuseppe wrote:


"You can live a normal life without being vaccinated. "I don't know what eactly the situation is in Germany, but yiou certainly can't live a normal life in Ireland, france or italy


Then don't argue it as fact.

Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 4:00 PM BST
lol you can go, you just can't come back
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 4:01 PM BST
even if you don't have these restrictions yet, politicians are considering them, hence the protests
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 4:05 PM BST
"German Querdenkers are filled with nazis."

anti-lockdown protests should be stopped because some of the protesters are closet nazis?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 4:05 PM BST
where they chanting about Hitler at these protests?
Report edy August 2, 2021 4:05 PM BST

Aug 2, 2021 -- 10:01AM, Giuseppe wrote:


even if you don't have these restrictions yet, politicians are considering them, hence the protests


That's what FDP-aligned protests are about. Querdenker protests are about a mix of homeopathy fans, Reichsbürger, neonazis and general misfits thinking that Merkel herself used her supreme scientific brain to create vaccine injecting mosquitoes.

Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 4:09 PM BST
FDP Love

it doesn't matter if some of the protesters are neo-nazis, unless they are carrying swastikas and chanting about gas chambers, which clearly they are not
Report edy August 2, 2021 4:10 PM BST
Yeah, and I never said that protests should be stopped if they contain nazis.

...Which brings us back to you continuously making stuff up and arguing against your put up strawmen.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip August 2, 2021 5:07 PM BST
Protests that stay within rules arent really protests. Theyre just large gatherings.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 6:33 PM BST
"Yeah, and I never said that protests should be stopped if they contain nazis."

lol why did you bring it up then?

is the protest illegitimate because some of them are reichsburgers and neo-nazis?
Report edy August 2, 2021 7:05 PM BST
I didn't bring up nazis.

...Which brings us back to you continuously making stuff up and arguing against your put up strawmen.
Report edy August 2, 2021 7:06 PM BST
is the protest illegitimate because some of them are reichsburgers and neo-nazis?

Of course not, and I never remotely suggested that.

...Which brings us back to you continuously making stuff up and arguing against your put up strawmen.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:10 PM BST
lol you brought up neo-nazis and jews

check for yourself

why did you do that?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:12 PM BST
"Of course not, and I never remotely suggested that."

why did you mention that some of the protesters are neo-nazis and reichsburgers?

why is that relevant, and why did you bring it up?
Report edy August 2, 2021 8:17 PM BST
You brought nazis up. I merely mentioned anti-semitic chants as an general example to showcase that protests are not a free-for-all in terms of behaviour.

You need to work on your reading comprehension in addition to working on not making stuff up about what others said.
Report edy August 2, 2021 8:17 PM BST
Don't you feel silly putting up strawmen all day long and arguing against those instead of arguing the points that were actually made?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:29 PM BST
"You need to work on your reading comprehension "

lol

you started talking about people chanting about eradicating Jews

this wasn't a reference to nazis?

were you talking about radical muslims?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:30 PM BST
lots of wahhabis at these anti-lockdown protests are there?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:31 PM BST
edy i ahven't put up any strawmen

you are being disnegnuous

you are trying to smear the protesters by suggesting they are neo-nazis and reichsburgers, and for this reason maybe it it isn;t a big deal banning the protest, even though the protest has nothing to do with neo-nazi or reichsburger ideology
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:32 PM BST
it's a classic ad hominem

don;t address their concerns, instead point out that some are neo-nazis
Report edy August 2, 2021 8:36 PM BST
Giuseppe • August 2, 2021 8:31 PM BST
edy i ahven't put up any strawmen


Laugh
Report edy August 2, 2021 8:37 PM BST
I even pointed them out to you and there is no question that you did.

It's a regular thing with you.
Report edy August 2, 2021 8:38 PM BST
you are trying to smear the protesters by suggesting they are neo-nazis and reichsburgers, and for this reason maybe it it isn;t a big deal banning the protest, even though the protest has nothing to do with neo-nazi or reichsburger ideology

They actually do though.
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:46 PM BST
edy you brought up neo-nazis

that is not a strawman

you are trying to smear the protesters by talking about neo-nazis and reichsburgers

that is not a strawman
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:46 PM BST
"They actually do though. "

so the protests should be banned?

is this relevant or not? i don't understand
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:47 PM BST
"It's a regular thing with you. "

nein
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 8:48 PM BST
can't leave germany

can't protest

can't live a normal life without vaccines

you brought up neo-nazis

all verifiable facts
Report edy August 2, 2021 8:51 PM BST
No, you brought up nazis.

You also brought up the strawman that I said or think that dissent should not be permitted at all.
You also brought up the strawmen that I said or think that everybody at protests should behave all day long.
You also brought up the strawmen that I argued that protests should be stopped if some protesters are closet nazis.
You also brought up...

Either way: That the Querdenker movement is filled with nazis and Reichsbürgers, that Querdenker leaders are Reichsbürgers, that their events are filled with Reichsbürger and nazi symbolism, rhetoric and talking points is simply the case. It's not a smear.

If you don't know anything and confuse the Querdenker movement with a civil rights/civil liberty movement that is concerned about the constitution, maybe inform yourself next time before making yourself look ignorant to it.
Report edy August 2, 2021 8:56 PM BST

Aug 2, 2021 -- 2:48PM, Giuseppe wrote:


can't leave germanycan't protestcan't live a normal life without vaccinesyou brought up neo-nazisall verifiable facts


Really, mate, you must be quite desperate to be making stuff up with this frequency.

Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:01 PM BST
lol

anyone can see it was you you started talking about anti-semtism

you admitted yourself you can't travel freely to and from Germany

and you can't protest about lockdowns

I'm sure you could get a permit for an anti-racism protest though

and laws are being introduced all over europe restricting freedoms for unvaccinated people
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:02 PM BST
edy you are living in a fantasy world

this is reality
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:03 PM BST
"If you don't know anything and confuse the Querdenker movement with a civil rights/civil liberty movement that is concerned about the constitution, maybe inform yourself next time before making yourself look ignorant to it."

what ahs this got to do with anything?

should they be allowed to protest about lockdowns or not?
Report edy August 2, 2021 9:04 PM BST
I give up.Plain
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:08 PM BST
"You also brought up the strawman that I said or think that dissent should not be permitted at all.
You also brought up the strawmen that I said or think that everybody at protests should behave all day long.
You also brought up the strawmen that I argued that protests should be stopped if some protesters are closet nazis."


protests are being banned because protesters are not sticking to "the rules", and you are defending this

and you did bring up the issue of reichsburgers and neo-nazis. why did you do that, if not to smear the protesters?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:09 PM BST
why are you talking about neo-nazis and reichsburgers, instead of the issue that they were protesting against?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:12 PM BST
"Either way: That the Querdenker movement is filled with nazis and Reichsbürgers, that Querdenker leaders are Reichsbürgers, that their events are filled with Reichsbürger and nazi symbolism, rhetoric and talking points is simply the case. It's not a smear."

the protest on Sunday was not a reichsburger or neo-nazi event

how many neo-nazis are there in Germany by the way? how many seats in the Bundestag does the NDP have?
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:13 PM BST
reichsburgers are a fringe movement too
Report Giuseppe August 2, 2021 9:14 PM BST
"That the Querdenker movement is filled with nazis and Reichsbürgers, that Querdenker leaders are Reichsbürgers, that their events are filled with Reichsbürger and nazi symbolism, rhetoric and talking points is simply the case. It's not a smear."

were there a lot of swastikas on display on sunday? if not, why are you bringing this up?
Report moisok August 2, 2021 9:33 PM BST
There has been a growth in anti semitism in germany and the uk

what demographic has increased over the last 20 years

and you wonder why??
Report edy August 2, 2021 9:35 PM BST
Swastikas are not even on display at full-on neo-nazis marches. They are a forbidden symbol. Nazis are dumb, but they are not dumb enough to display criminal symbols while they are being guided through cities by police.
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