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Dr Crippen
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''Dr David Matthews, a virologist and coronaviruses expert from the University of Bristol, told The Telegraph: ‘In terms of herd immunity – by which we mean the virus has managed to reach everybody and therefore most people will have a level of immune memory – I suspect we’re very close to it.
Dr David Matthews, a virologist and coronaviruses expert from the University of Bristol, told The Telegraph: ‘In terms of herd immunity – by which we mean the virus has managed to reach everybody and therefore most people will have a level of immune memory – I suspect we’re very close to it.''

https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/29/uk-nearing-herd-immunity-as-87-of-people-likely-have-covid-antibodies-15005938/?ico=related-posts
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Report feedthepony July 29, 2021 11:06 AM BST
Need to get more virus in then say the government.

Solution - open up the borders to those who have received a double does of the vaccine which doesn't stop you getting it or spreading it and conveniently produces new "variants".

But it's all the fault of the unvaccinated CrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazy
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 11:09 AM BST
Looks likely, because it's been going for eighteen months.

But why should they be right this time?

It's like the stock market guru who keeps predicting a crash. One day he's correct.
Report feedthepony July 29, 2021 11:10 AM BST
Yes - unlike a stock market genius like George Soros who always ends up on the right end of the market movement - now why could that be? ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 11:17 AM BST
Because people with his amounts of money can control it feedthepony?
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 11:30 AM BST
Looking at the charts since last February, including numbers of deaths and numbers of infections.

After putting in the lockdown dates. It's difficult to make a case that the lockdowns did a lot.

Of course if we've not mixing then we can't spread it.

The trouble is, during lockdowns there was still plenty of mixing going on, and half the infections were picked up at hospitals.

Lockdowns have made us poor, and guess who taught us how to lockdown - the Chinese bless them.

And guess who gave us the virus too?
Report feedthepony July 29, 2021 11:40 AM BST
My money is on the same people who now control the West Cripps - the CCP
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:03 PM BST
Dr Matthews..

The virologist said the UK government should have given greater thought about what could be done "to protect ourselves both as individuals and as a country" - and expressed dismay that "people were treating it as a new strain of flu" in the early days.



When asked whether travel bans and quarantine measures should have been imposed earlier, Dr Matthews added: "I think we should have probably been much more aggressive."

He explained that the UK should have looked at containment control measures "a lot harder and a lot more carefully".

"It'll be a nice to have a smorgasbord of effective vaccines to choose from and to make sure that we get maximum benefit from a vaccine programme," Dr Matthews said.

"Hopefully by Easter we'll have a wide range of vaccines to choose from and a deeper understanding of what's the most effective way to squeeze these vaccines to their maximum potential."
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:04 PM BST
No wonder one of UK's leading corona virus
experts was excluded from sage.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:06 PM BST
Dr David Matthews was part of the only UK team working on human coronaviruses when COVID-19 first surfaced in China.

The academic told Sky News' Sarah Hewson: "What we were doing was certainly not a secret. Most people knew that we were working on coronavirus at that time."

Dr Matthews claimed that, had his advice been sought, he would have encouraged Health Secretary Matt Hancock to prepare the UK "with much more aggression" - and he claimed the government's initial communication around COVID-19 didn't reflect the challenges ahead.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:07 PM BST
Dr Matthews an expert v conspiracist crippen


Who's likely to be correct?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:10 PM BST
The more we close the gap on the last 10% who haven’t had the vaccine the better we will be. Everyone will eventually meet the virus and it is far better to do so vaccinated

Dr Matthews seems to know!
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 12:12 PM BST
That seems good common sense.
Report feedthepony July 29, 2021 12:14 PM BST
Plenty doctors out there not touching the poison yhtl - they just get de-platformed so your brainwashed minds can't see them.
Report rothko July 29, 2021 12:15 PM BST
she was an expert as well LaughLaugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56019995
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:16 PM BST
Let's hope they spread the wise
words of Dr Matthews far and wide.
Report rothko July 29, 2021 12:19 PM BST
what does the better we will be mean? has he published a study modelling this? can you give the link?
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 12:24 PM BST
The more we close the gap on the last 10% who haven’t had the vaccine the better we will be. Everyone will eventually meet the virus and it is far better to do so vaccinated
Report rothko July 29, 2021 12:33 PM BST
ive had the virus and was asymptomatic - so why is it better for me and 33% of other people who are asymptomatic to be vaccinated

please provide the link - lets follow the science
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk July 29, 2021 12:42 PM BST
Asymptomatic = Infection but showing no symptoms.
That's handy when you want to massage the figures
Add in the inaccuracy of these tests then you've got a collection of data worthy of @rse paper
But the mob demand drugs. Crazy
Eff orf
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:47 PM BST
You don't know if you are in the
lucky 33% until after you had it.

Some won't even know afterwards
if they aint tested.

Maybe you have different info?

If it's 67% better off vaxxed..
33% no benefit from vaxx but
get covid, take a chance

What do you recoment to fellow punters
as being the shrewd thing to
gamble your health on..
Report rothko July 29, 2021 12:47 PM BST
yes the lateral flow tests are so unreliable

i though the vaccination programme was to protect the most vulnerable and prevent hospital admissions
its turned into a cult
its absolved the british people of asking the question of why the nation as a whole is so unfit and why the £100m's spent previously by Government on public health has been so ineffective
Report rothko July 29, 2021 12:50 PM BST
if i was a healthy 18 year old i wouldnt get the vaccine
if i was an 18 year old with respiratory problems I would

but its personal choice based on risk - people need to take responsibility for their own health
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 12:57 PM BST
If the odds are 67 it helps
33 it does not, what is your
advice,

Obviously 18 year olds have
a much more difficult decision
as its likely 67-33 the other
way, or even less neccesary
for themselves.

It's about helping parents, grandparents
friends, communities

Tough choice, but had 18 months
to help decide.
Report shiny new shoes please July 29, 2021 1:02 PM BST
1984 ExcitedLaugh

New Zealand PM: 'We are your single source of truth', 'Dismiss all else'…

Few places Offering  $100 Incentive to Get Vaccinated
Report casemoney July 29, 2021 1:22 PM BST
And guess who gave us the virus too?

No need need to Guess who approved funding to a lab in Wuhan that was doing research on Bat Virus

Yes it was the YANKS . Obama and Big Joe running the show at the time
Report feedthepony July 29, 2021 1:41 PM BST
Obama and Sleepy Joe are in the pocket of the CCP casemoney
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 2:24 PM BST
Dr Matthews an expert v conspiracist crippen

Who's likely to be correct?



Supertroll strikes again.

I din't say he was wrong, I simply said these people usually are.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 2:25 PM BST
I'm asking a question, thanks for
answering

1 for Dr matthews
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 2:30 PM BST
So he's more likely to be right, than I am when I say he could be wrong.

Thanks for answering my question.

You've stitched yourself up nicely there.
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 2:31 PM BST
'could'' being the operative word.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 2:33 PM BST
99.99999% more likely at
conservative guess

You "could" win Olympic 100m
at Paris Olympics too.

I won't be backing the double
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 2:36 PM BST
You're trolling.

That's all you come on here to do.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 2:38 PM BST
You are projecting your trolling.

But you are a poor troll so
easily shown up.


I look forward to your next bail out
of "only fishin"
Report Dr Crippen July 29, 2021 2:41 PM BST
So why did you mention my name if it wasn't an attempt to draw me?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- July 29, 2021 2:45 PM BST
Seriously?

Maybe read your posts on the thread

Who else would I name?
Report Whisperingdeath July 29, 2021 3:22 PM BST
wtf is getting covid?

I mean how stupid do you have to be to get it....oh yeah. Be like the Prime Minister, 2 Health Secretaries, a Health Minister, A chief Scientific Adviser and a Chief Medical Officer!

WTFF Man!
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 4:59 PM BST
They never isolated the "virus" so all this is just opinions anyway

How anyone can sit there and eat this s*it now is beyond me

"pingdemic continues" this and "bumpy road ahead" that

They will not let this go will they, when can we beat the c*ap out of them? they've got it coming
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 5:02 PM BST
"Vaccines prevented 22 million infections and 60,000 deaths"

They just pluck s*it stats from their backsides don't they

22 million? so how come we've got rising "infections" again then?

How can it be at 87% herd immunity?

How can we have 30k plus "positives" every day

If the vaccines prevented all that?.... can someone please talk some fecking sense ?
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 5:04 PM BST
Are these people for real?

Can any of them go a day without contradicting their previous statements?

Can't they just keep their BS to a minimum and at least try to lie in a coherent manner?
Report nineteen points July 29, 2021 5:43 PM BST
Van Tam.Another govt puppet.
Report eyeball July 29, 2021 5:47 PM BST
So as long as every one in the UK has the vaccine we reach herd immunity .

Where do they get these "experts" from ?

How about the rest of the world ? What percentage are vaccinated ?

A virus that is zoonotic . We'd have to vaccinate every animal on the planet .

Why do we not have herd immunity with every other respiratory virus ?Crazy
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 6:08 PM BST
A virus that when it infects a none vaxxinated person it mutates and then re-infects the "fully vaxxinated",

A virus that also has 90% "effectiveness" and thus "protects"

Basically... we all need to be aggravatedly raped with a needle

But the Aussie PM says its our own "responsibility" and "our bodies"

But Gove says we're "selfish" if we don't have it

Basically its a fooking s*it show that is now being kept alive because why not, its past the point of stupidity
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 6:11 PM BST
A virus that requires a vaxxine but you still need to wear a mask because of the "variants"...
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 6:21 PM BST
Updated adult UK vaccinations...

1st dose 88.4%
2nd dose 71.4%

Its fair tooting along at around 200,000 vaccinations per day.
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 6:24 PM BST
Free money! New York now offering $100 per person for 1st jab.
Report nineteen points July 29, 2021 6:32 PM BST
Did van tam offer any data or evidence of these 60k folk who's lives were saved?
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:05 PM BST
60k deaths prevented... not exactly a running endorsement to get it is it lets be honest

Its effectively killed the amount they predicted (At the start of all this) it would if we didn't lock down... you literally couldn't make this s*it up
Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:06 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 12:32PM, nineteen points wrote:


Did van tam offer any data or evidence of these 60k folk who's lives were saved?


No evidence whatsoever.

These people are guessers.

If cases now rise when schools go back Ferguson will look an idiot yet again.

I hope that Ferguson has got this one right and Covid is done... but remember we are in mid-summer. This time last year Covid had gone.

Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 7:07 PM BST
now it isn't, first jabs are about 40k a day
Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 7:07 PM BST
lol has Fergie EVER been right ?
Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 7:07 PM BST
i wish i lived in new york
Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:08 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:07PM, clouded leopard wrote:


lol has Fergie EVER been right ?


No never. He still thinks that waiting until cases peak and then locking down reduces cases.

Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:09 PM BST
Ferguson never gets anything right I think its a running gag at this point trotting out his s*it

And last August it was pretty much zero. We now sit at 100 deaths (their numbers) and 30k+ cases

Its going nowhere and they've now planted the seeds that its the unvaxxinateds fault, people will have someone to blame when they pull a fast one and lock down again
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:10 PM BST
Who do they blame if they force everyone to take it?

I dread to think, the fecking birds and rats better go and hide
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:10 PM BST
The cats also

The dogs will have to take the brunt of it on their behalf I guess
Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:11 PM BST
Rubbish SS. Very few adults said no to the vaccine. Pointless giving it to kids.

Having the vaccine does not mean you cannot catch and spread it.

In reality Euros helped because it spread Covid in young healthy people building up our immunity.
Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 7:11 PM BST
What was the number his 'modelling' predicted would die at the start of all this ?


I mean let's forget for a minute the very random nature of a virus knew nothing about then

bu hey fkin ho let's release a number to the public that will have them **** through the eye of a needle come the weekend


How responsible do we think that was ? Crazy
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 7:12 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:10PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


Who do they blame if they force everyone to take it? I dread to think, the fecking birds and rats better go and hide


No one is being forced to take any vaccinations, no one at all.

Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:12 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:11PM, clouded leopard wrote:


What was the number his 'modelling' predicted would die at the start of all this ?I mean let's forget for a minute the very random nature of a virus knew nothing about thenbu hey fkin ho let's release a number to the public that will have them **** through the eye of a needle come the weekendHow responsible do we think that was ?


Up to 500,000 deaths in UK and 2.5 million in the USA

Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:12 PM BST
They thought by doing lockdowns they could keep it to 20,000.
Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:13 PM BST
Clueless
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:13 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:11PM, frog1000 wrote:


Rubbish SS. Very few adults said no to the vaccine. Pointless giving it to kids. Having the vaccine does not mean you cannot catch and spread it.In reality Euros helped because it spread Covid in young healthy people building up our immunity.


Ah yes they said that and they still run a campaign for the young to take the vax

Face it frog they ain't stopping

Expect another lockdown

Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 7:13 PM BST
Criminal more like
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 7:14 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:09PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


Ferguson never gets anything right I think its a running gag at this point trotting out his s*it And last August it was pretty much zero. We now sit at 100 deaths (their numbers) and 30k+ cases Its going nowhere and they've now planted the seeds that its the unvaxxinateds fault, people will have someone to blame when they pull a fast one and lock down again


It is the fault of the unvaxxed that we still have plenty of daily cases and deaths.

Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 7:14 PM BST
data ?
Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:14 PM BST
Not for Covid though. It will because of flu and other breathing and heart issues overwhelming hospitals.

The lockdowns have shot our immune systems to pieces
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:14 PM BST
The pings are going to cause the next chaotic food shortage run in my opinion

They laugh now... cry later
Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:15 PM BST
No it'll be because of another variant of co vid

So basically the flu yeah, re-packaged
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 7:16 PM BST
The vast majority of hospital admissions now are younger unvaccinated persons.
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 7:16 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:15PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


No it'll be because of another variant of co vid So basically the flu yeah, re-packaged


It's not the flu.

Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:18 PM BST
There is no evidence that more unvaccinated people are in hospital FOR covid than vaccinated people. No evidence whatsoever.
Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 7:18 PM BST
pOLLYPaRRROT tHINKS tHe FlU magically disappeared over the course of a few months Shocked
Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:19 PM BST
60,000 flu deaths likely this winter
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 7:19 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:18PM, clouded leopard wrote:


pOLLYPaRRROT tHINKS tHe FlU magically disappeared over the course of a few months


Link to this?

Report SontaranStratagem July 29, 2021 7:19 PM BST
That doesn't matter frog

The unvaxxed have been catching the original un-isolated "strain", their bodies have mutated it, and they spreaded it to the vaxxinated
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 7:20 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 1:19PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


That doesn't matter frog The unvaxxed have been catching the original un-isolated "strain", their bodies have mutated it, and they spreaded it to the vaxxinated


Total hokem Sad

Report frog1000 July 29, 2021 7:20 PM BST
not true. Very few people have not had the vaccine. The uptake by those who need it is massive.
Report Mexico July 29, 2021 7:30 PM BST
Ss

Any chance you could provide a link to that story about your un-isolated “strain” . Is it true or just something you or somebody in your clan made up?

Provide a link so we may all read about this “research “. Unless of course you are ashamed to provide a link on an anonymous forum to the websites you visit,
Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 8:00 PM BST
"No one is being forced to take any vaccinations, no one at all. "

lol
Report rothko July 29, 2021 8:04 PM BST
going back to the original OP what a poor article - schools out for summer so positive tests fall - no sh5t sherlock Laugh

‘Now, of course, because of that, what that means is… secondary school children have been doing lateral flow tests twice a week for quite a long period of time and we know at the moment cases are slightly higher in younger people, (and) because schools have now broken up, it may be that part of the reason cases have dropped somewhat is that we’re not detecting as many cases in younger people now.’

good to get all that info in one sentence
Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 8:12 PM BST
PP
It is the fault of the unvaxxed that we still have plenty of daily cases and deaths.


How many of those cases are asymptomatic ie non contributors to the spread of the virus

How many deaths a day equate to plenty ?
Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 8:13 PM BST
"The vast majority of hospital admissions now are younger unvaccinated persons. "

the numbers are tiny

you have a tiny number of unvaccinated people and virtually no vaccinated people

hence "vast majority"
Report politicspunter July 29, 2021 8:14 PM BST

Jul 29, 2021 -- 2:12PM, clouded leopard wrote:


PPIt is the fault of the unvaxxed that we still have plenty of daily cases and deaths.How many of those cases are asymptomatic ie non contributors to the spread of the virus How many deaths a day equate to plenty ?


Look it up.

Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 8:14 PM BST
unless percentages are accompanied by actual numbers be very sceptical
Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 8:16 PM BST
85 deaths in the UK today

half not due to covid

most of the rest unvaccinated

vaccinated people are not dying
Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 8:22 PM BST
that is not plenty by anyone's standards

folk die

sad but true ... 0 death targets are for the birds





all about the cases

which are not actually cases
Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 8:23 PM BST
keepy uppy for the summer virus narrative until flu season when TSHTF again
Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 8:24 PM BST
do we know what % of people dying are vaccinated / unvaccinated?

I would estimate it is 10% and 90%
Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 8:26 PM BST
most recent figures I have rerad are from Ireland in May, it was 6/7 of deaths were unvaccinated
Report Giuseppe July 29, 2021 8:30 PM BST
"The vast majority of hospital admissions now are younger unvaccinated persons. "

another way of looking at this would be "if you're old and vaccinated stop worrying you're no longer at risk"
Report clouded leopard July 29, 2021 8:36 PM BST
good one  GHappy
Report Dr Crippen July 30, 2021 9:39 AM BST
"The vast majority of hospital admissions now are younger unvaccinated persons. "

As cases drop off their ''serious'' threshold becomes lower, and they start taking patients that during a rush might be turned away.

How many are on  ventilators that's the key.?
Report saddo July 30, 2021 10:15 AM BST
Counting people in hospital with covid is pretty pointless, they could be in for other things. The number that matters is how many were admitted only because they had covid.
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