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More than half of Covid hospitalisations are of patients who only tested positive after they were admitted, it has been reported.

Leaked data of all NHS trusts in England suggests statistics for the virus could be overstating the pressures faced by the health service.

It means many patients categorised as Covid patients may have actually been admitted with other ailments, with the virus detected through routine testing.

As of last Thursday, 44% of patients classed as being hospitalised with coronavirus has tested positive by the time they arrived at hospital, according to data seen by the Telegraph.

A further 43% tested positive within two days of admission, while 13% were diagnosed in the days and weeks that followed.

Prof Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, has urged the Government to publish clearer data.

He called on the Department of Health to specify whether Covid was the primary reason for people being admitted so that people aren’t painted a misleading picture.

Professor Heneghan added: ‘When people hear about hospitalisations with Covid, they will assume that Covid is the likely cause, but this data shows something quite different – this is about Covid being detected after tests were looking for it.’

The figures from from NHS daily situation reports, collected by every hospital trust in England.

After hearing of the leak, Commons science and technology select committee chairman Greg Clark said he would write to Health Secretary Sajid Javid to ask for a regular breakdown to be shared with the public.

He added: ‘If hospitalisations from Covid are a key determinant of how concerned we should be, and how quickly restrictions should be lifted, it’s important that the data is not presented in a way that could lead to the wrong conclusions being drawn.’

One NHS data expert added: ‘People are worried and scared and not really understanding the true picture – that is what I find despicable.’

A spokesman for the health service said: ‘Many patients are admitted to hospital because of their Covid symptoms and complications, which are then confirmed with a post-admission Covid test, and for others they may initially be presymptomatic or asymptomatic.’



But it definitely isn't all about FEAR. How strange a report like this has to be "leaked".

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By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Jul 21 09:38
These are the same authorities who regarded over 75 year olds with Covid in March 2020 as bed blockers.
And transferred them from hospitals into care to spread the infection amongst the healthy.

Why should we believe anything they tell us?
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Jul 21 09:53
‘I advise everyone to get it’: UK Covid patients tell of regrets over refusing jab

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/26/covid-patients-tell-of-regrets-over-refusing-jab-vaccine-intensive-care
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By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Jul 21 10:43
The NHS is finished.

212 billions spent on it last year, and the whole operation has become a disgrace.

Not fit for purpose.

They've been conning us for decades.
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 11:08
They've certainly been conning us all and neglecting a lot of sick people for the last 18 months, charlatans.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 27 Jul 21 11:09
Vaccine roll out has been excellent.
By:
feedthepony
When: 27 Jul 21 11:11
Father time clearing out the problems and piling up the bodies - on top of Covid 19 - is a golden egg for the NHS
By:
Jumping-cuckoo-monk
When: 27 Jul 21 11:11
People should've clapped more. Remember that? Kin ell, head in hands
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 11:16
Mass hysteria wasn't it.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jul 21 11:23
Not so much nhs deciding
to slaughter folk by sending
untested patients into care homes

That was the tory party.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Jul 21 11:25
Vaccine roll out has been excellent.

Yes it has, because the doctors have turned their surgeries into vaccine centres.

And getting paid £12.58 a stab makes them very efficient.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jul 21 11:27
What % have been vaxxed in doctors surgeries?
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 11:29
donny, did Downing St ring the NHS and say evacuate all old uns from hospitals, or was it the reverse? I have no idea.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jul 21 11:31
Well we are told Johnson is pm

and he's making decisions.

Maybe you have some alternative
reality on that too from your
crackpot viewing.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 27 Jul 21 11:32
Troll alert!
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 11:33
----you-have-to-laugh--- 27 Jul 21 11:27 
What % have been vaxxed in doctors surgeries?

.................................


I don't think the numbers are as important as the principle. It looks to me that they have been earning their usual large wage, and getting extra for doing vaccinations while refusing to see sick people for 18 months. Doesn't look good.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Jul 21 11:33

Jul 27, 2021 -- 6:31AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Well we are told Johnson is pmand he's making decisions.Maybe you have some alternativereality on that too from yourcrackpot viewing.


Yep, I am sure he still is.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jul 21 11:34
don't think the numbers are as important as the principle



If they don't back up the crackpot
theory,... Ignore em
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 11:36
----you-have-to-laugh--- 27 Jul 21 11:31 
Well we are told Johnson is pm

.........................

I'm told all along he's following the science and most on here agreed he should. Did 'the science' urge him to empty hospital beds, and if so, should he not have followed the science in that instance? I do not know.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Jul 21 11:37
What does it matter where folks are vaccinated, as long as it saves lives.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jul 21 11:37
He clearly follows some science and not other
science,.. Keep up
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 27 Jul 21 11:38
Politicspunter has managed to get on the wrong thread hasn't he, absolutely nothing to do with the content whatsoever.

Imagine my shock.
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 11:38
You happy with GPs profiteering from covid misery donny?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jul 21 11:40
Funny question saddo having shown they are not... Lol

This isn't the crackpot site

This is betfair forum
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 27 Jul 21 11:43
----you-have-to-laugh---
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27 Jul 21 11:37
He clearly follows some science and not other
science,.. Keep up



I get it, he follows the Science that is correct (in your opinion), and then everything that is ends up wrong is his fault completely, and not the fault of Science (in your opinion). Vaccine rollout a big success, but then the NHS should take every bit of the credit no doubt (in your opinion).

I am sure we all "get it" where and how the Politics come into it all - from the ludicrous left.
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 11:44
You health and safety disciples are on increasingly marshy ground by the look of it donny. Your lol quota is going through the roof lately, nervous tick?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jul 21 11:45
You keep ploughing on ignoring facts saddo

You know it makes sense

Ask the questions that impressed you
on your whack job reading
By:
dave1357
When: 27 Jul 21 11:58
usual suspects wetting their pants again over completely irrelevant data

44% of patients classed as being hospitalised with coronavirus has tested positive by the time they arrived at hospital

A further 43% tested positive within two days of admission

So 87% clearly had the virus at the time of admission.  As the prevalence in the population is massively lower than 87%, it is ridiculous to suggest that masses of unrelated admissions are being classified as covid patients.

Even Heneghan realises that the only important stat is people admitted because they had Covid symptoms (and testing postive) hence his request for more info.  If that is being overstated there is an issue, but the bare testing stats don't confirm that.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 27 Jul 21 14:29
THE NHS IS ON THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE AngryAngryAngry
By:
Giuseppe
When: 27 Jul 21 14:31
dave if somebody was hospitalised because of covid you would expect them to test positive straight away

someone struggling so badly they can't breathe is not going to test negative
By:
Cider
When: 27 Jul 21 14:31
dave, serious, one might say desperate logic failure Cry
By:
Giuseppe
When: 27 Jul 21 14:31
"So 87% clearly had the virus at the time of admission. "

no
By:
Giuseppe
When: 27 Jul 21 14:33
hospitals are riddled with covid

one kid in a coma after a car crash caught it twice during a 7 month stay
By:
Cider
When: 27 Jul 21 14:33
If only they released the true figures, but that would be far too embarrassing for the NHS.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 27 Jul 21 14:34
i've heard different figures in ireland

report on TV claimed it was 25% last year, who caught covid in hospital

a more recent figure i've heard is 90%
By:
Giuseppe
When: 27 Jul 21 14:34
correction 10%
By:
dave1357
When: 27 Jul 21 14:39
Cider • July 27, 2021 3:33 PM BST
If only they released the true figures, but that would be far too embarrassing for the NHS.


So no evidence that those categorised as Covid patients aren't in hospital because they have the disease?
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jul 21 14:40
Referring to anyone not sharing your over cautious views as a 'whack job' shows how far gone you are donny. Denouncement in place of discussion, way to go.
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Jul 21 14:40
How come we never see both EU robots posting on the same thread at roughly the same time, despite the fact that between them they make hundreds of posts daily?
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 27 Jul 21 14:41
/\ more  Giuseppe a lot more  •  regarded over 75 year olds with or without covid. as bed blockers,shipped to  care homes
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