Politics
Will the mask/lockdown fanatics admit they were wrong if...?
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Why are you mixing with vulnerable people? If you are wearing a mask they might think you're safer than you actually are.
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if schools, not pubs, were such an important driver of case numbers, why were schools open and pubs under restriction?
Really Dougal??? You don’t understand why governments all around this planet have decided that education of children is more important than having pubs and nightclubs open? Really??? |
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Ss
Care to provide a link about UK troops moving to Florida. Why would USA need external troops/ police to help out. Isn’t their army, national guard, police, FBI a large enough force to deal with a few shinyheaded flatearters. Provide a link to this exciting news so we can all enjoy the read. |
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okay mexico
so the position of Whitty etc. has been "we know schools are the major driver of case numbers, but we want to open them anyway" and "we know these restrictions on pubs, and the mask mandate, make little difference but we will keep them anyway" I don't remember hearing that are you living in a different reality to the rest of us? |
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"You don’t understand why governments all around this planet have decided that education of children is more important than having pubs and nightclubs open?"
this is such a strawman I don't even know where to start why is it an "either, or"? why were pubs and nichtclubs shut in the first place if they don't have a major impact on transmission? |
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all your predictions have been wrong Mr Whitty
 but i will still follow you blindly |
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Frog
UK schools open in November when had a 4 week lockdown. They only shut after Boris’s let it rip/ let the bodies pile up /5 day Christmas. The schools in UK were open before pubs . The reason which Father Dougal can’t understand is because the UK and almost every other government decided education of children is more important than going to a local to watch football or have a chat over a beer or ten. |
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The mask is slipping as 'cases' in the UK drop like a stone.
Remember those 120 international scientists that wrote to stress the dangers of opening up the UK. How stupid do they look now? |
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if there was solid evidence that schools were driving case numbers they would be shut
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Giuseppe
What are you on about. Where is this evidence that the pubs being opened didn’t have impact on transmission? November pubs shut, cases fell, December “ let it rip “ with pubs open, cases when bonkers mad. |
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Mexico schools have been open during periods of low transmission
the surge in cases was due to the delta variant the fall off in cases is part of a natural cycle |
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The reason which Father Dougal can’t understand is because the UK and almost every other government decided education of "children is more important than going to a local to watch football or have a chat over a beer or ten. "
why are you linking the two? are you saying both cause a lot of transmission and we can't have both at the same time? if that was true numbers should be flat |
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Dougal
Schools are considered important. They were open because the government considers education of children to be important. Even so schools were still shut for months, they had a higher priority than pubs because the government decided schools were more important than pubs. Near, far, big cow….. |
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"Where is this evidence that the pubs being opened didn’t have impact on transmission?"
pubs are now operating normally and cases have not gone up, they have halved in the last week this goes against everything we have been told to expect for 18 months media has been full of experts for weeks predicting a surge in cases after July 19th, they were wrong it takes a special kind of obstinacy to still believe fully open pubs are a major driver of cases |
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again mexico who are linking schools and pubs, suggesting we cannot have both
is that because both are major drivers of new cases? if so why haven't cases gonbe up since pubs reopened and why were 2/3 of cases among over 19s, both before and after July 19th? |
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pubs reopen
cases halve "but but but" there is no but |
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has Whitty said
"schools are the major driver of new cases but we think education is so important we will open them anyway" ? |
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Giuseppe
Did you post at 17.56 I've said this before and I'll say it again if schools, not pubs, were such an important driver of case numbers, why were schools open and pubs under restriction? Now you ask…. why are you linking the two? Really? Care to explain who started linking the two and you is pointing out the reasons why government decided schools are more important than pubs to be open. |
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are there stats supporting your belief that schools are the major driver of new cases, or that schools closing has been the major driver in cases falling?
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mexico
you seem pretty certain schools are the major driver of new cases are there stats to support this, or has Whitty said it? |
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Giuseppe
Pubs in UK been open for about two months, cases rose during this period from under 2000 cases a day. |
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your position is Boris, Whitty etc. knew schools were the major driver of new cases and left them open regardless?
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my understandding is pubs, especially indoors, are muchbusier now than before July 19th
is that not correct? |
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unrestricted indoor drinking in pubs and low cases numbers
how is this consistent with lockdown ideology? |
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Dougal you provided data suggesting that school children made up about 1/3 of cases. The 5 to 19 year olds don’t account for 1/3 of the population.
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"cases rose during this period from under 2000 cases a day. "
because of the delta variant at least that was what Whitty told us he didn;t say it was because of bars are you contradicting Whitty? |
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i don't understand
1/3 of cases were among under 19s what point are you making? and why hasn;t this fraction gone down? |
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"Pubs in UK been open for about two months, cases rose during this period from under 2000 cases a day."
so pubs are a major driver of new cases then? if they're busier now after July 19th there should be a lot more cases right? and aren't nightclubs a disaster waiting to happen? |
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Dougal
Are you aware that more than one thing can effect transmission. The delta variant seems to be easier to transmit but it it still requires people to be close together to infect them. |
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Dougal
We have already explained that a lot is happening at same time, stick with toy cows. We have pubs changing from open with restrictions to fully open. We have fewer people without antibodies We have schools closed. |
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"We have already explained that a lot is happening at same time"
mexico you haven't a ****g clue what is driving the cases neither do whitty or the countless experts expressing their concern on TV over the last few weeks all predictions have been wrong and still you think they know what is happening the emperor has no clothes |
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Mex, the prediction was 50k cases up to 100k-200k.
Reality 50k cases down to 25k. No new information is available. We knew about schools closing. We knew about a potential Euro surge. Lets not dress this up. The predictors have got Covid terribly wrong and they have already cost the country around £400bn and caused massive damage to the health of the nation. |
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why were these experts saying it was unwise to reopen?
did THEY expect cases to fall? |
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"We knew about schools closing."
exactly they all knew that already if schools were so important why wasn;t this factored in? the answer is it was factored in, but their models are all garbage |
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"We have fewer people without antibodies "
lol cases have halved in a week there hasn't been enough change in antibodies to have a major effect |
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"Are you aware that more than one thing can effect transmission."
was that what Whitty and Valance have been saying for the past two months? the only factor I have heard mentioned was the delta variant and its increased transmissibility |