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By:
politicspunter
When: 26 Jul 21 15:29
Ok, if they did not have Covid, surely on the death certificate it would say cancer?
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 26 Jul 21 15:38
Surely it would?
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Jul 21 15:46
Cases in UK by date....

2020-07-01    657
2020-07-02    607
2020-07-03    574
2020-07-04    402
2020-07-05    557
2020-07-06    708
2020-07-07    604
2020-07-08    702
2020-07-09    717
2020-07-10    567
2020-07-11    447
2020-07-12    370
2020-07-13    734
2020-07-14    691
2020-07-15    773
2020-07-16    705
2020-07-17    581
2020-07-18    498
2020-07-19    444
2020-07-20    812
2020-07-21    782
2020-07-22    795
2020-07-23    797
2020-07-24    770 Masks become mandatory in shops and other public places.
2020-07-25    524
2020-07-26    558
2020-07-27    856
2020-07-28    841
2020-07-29    1039
2020-07-30    925
2020-07-31    676
2020-08-01    543
2020-08-02    554
2020-08-03    1040
2020-08-04    1019
2020-08-05    1060
2020-08-06    1084
2020-08-07    943
2020-08-08    695
2020-08-09    614
2020-08-10    1472
2020-08-11    1339
2020-08-12    1207
2020-08-13    1147
2020-08-14    1162
2020-08-15    694
2020-08-16    600
2020-08-17    1282
2020-08-18    1083
2020-08-19    1241
2020-08-20    1461
2020-08-21    1198
2020-08-22    828
2020-08-23    824
2020-08-24    1273
2020-08-25    1248
2020-08-26    1351
2020-08-27    1549
2020-08-28    1622
2020-08-29    1222
2020-08-30    1159
2020-08-31    1502
2020-09-01    2248
2020-09-02    2992
2020-09-03    3098
2020-09-04    3039
2020-09-05    2544
2020-09-06    2443
2020-09-07    3860
2020-09-08    3301
2020-09-09    3330
2020-09-10    3594
2020-09-11    3289
2020-09-12    2664
2020-09-13    2141
2020-09-14    3394
2020-09-15    3549
2020-09-16    4357
2020-09-17    4634
2020-09-18    4958
2020-09-19    4857
2020-09-20    5316
2020-09-21    5600
2020-09-22    6401
2020-09-23    7058
2020-09-24    7603
2020-09-25    7242
2020-09-26    6755
2020-09-27    6971
2020-09-28    9923
2020-09-29    10233
2020-09-30    12554
2020-10-01    13187
2020-10-02    13690
2020-10-03    11538
2020-10-04    11805
2020-10-05    16545
2020-10-06    17058
2020-10-07    18320
2020-10-08    18241
2020-10-09    15723
2020-10-10    12514
2020-10-11    12067
2020-10-12    19437
2020-10-13    18891
2020-10-14    19703
2020-10-15    18431
2020-10-16    17724
2020-10-17    14764
2020-10-18    14187
2020-10-19    25614
2020-10-20    25319
2020-10-21    25441
2020-10-22    23245
2020-10-23    21466
2020-10-24    16242
2020-10-25    15726
2020-10-26    26549
2020-10-27    24101
2020-10-28    23611
2020-10-29    23350
2020-10-30    22673
2020-10-31    16485
2020-11-01    15752
2020-11-02    31508
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Jul 21 15:47
Cases went up dramatically after.
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 Jul 21 15:48
What point are you trying to make, Insider Trader?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 26 Jul 21 15:50
Labour aren't on your side either

They want passports for double vaxxed but also want testing involved as well

So you need to be vaxxed up and provide a negative test...

Anyone even debating them is a fruit cake, and when they say they don't want it for supermarkets etc... they said they didn't want vaxxes last year, 12 months on and here we are
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 Jul 21 15:50
If your point is that cases were rising before a combination of vaccinations, mask wearing and social distancing stabilised the number of cases, you would be correct.
By:
feedthepony
When: 26 Jul 21 16:01

Jul 26, 2021 -- 9:50AM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


Labour aren't on your side eitherThey want passports for double vaxxed but also want testing involved as well So you need to be vaxxed up and provide a negative test... Anyone even debating them is a fruit cake, and when they say they don't want it for supermarkets etc... they said they didn't want vaxxes last year, 12 months on and here we are


Labour died when they decided to hate the working class - as a result the working class hate them too (so much that they now vote Tory).

All we have now is a choice of globalists offering only the Gates, Soros etc agenda

Anyone who tries to break through will be met with scandal to discredit them (which doesn't have to be true)

They have won - just keep to yourself now and don't ever comply (otherwise you are a slave)

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Jul 21 16:03
Second world war caused by
UK food rationing?

Sailing liners across atlantic
causes icebergs

Hangovers cause folk to drink
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Jul 21 16:07
Old folk wearing overcoats
causes temperature to fall.
By:
Cider
When: 26 Jul 21 16:07
If you talk about the desire of our blob to mirror the ccp and bring in china's social credit system, the label attached is conspiracy theory.

Boris Johnson is to launch a new programme where the government tracks what people eat and how much exercise they do. And if people do well they get discounts and free stuff.

Yup
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Jul 21 16:22
They’ve lost their marbles
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Jul 21 16:24
Wish they would stop trying to be nice and do good
That’s not their job - fix the potholes in the road that’s all
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Jul 21 16:28
Do they lose their marbles
in the potholes?

Maybe council don't want them
playing marbles, so come round
and dig holes in road.

Anything is possible, I read it
on the Internet.
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Jul 21 16:33
There’s more of them , difficult to believe that people in charge of us get paid for their stupidity
But that’s what they do .
By:
lfc1971
When: 26 Jul 21 16:34
Here’s a suggestion - get the traffic wardens to fix the potholes
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Jul 21 16:44
If you eat up your greens son you can watch the telly...
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Jul 21 16:49
Traffic wardens too busy playing marbles
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Jul 21 17:01
"If your point is that cases were rising before a combination of vaccinations, mask wearing and social distancing stabilised the number of cases, you would be correct. "

the numbers didn't stabilise, they continued to rise
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Jul 21 17:18
you can have all the masks and vaccines in the world but come the autumn cases could well rise again.

People have the misconception that vaccines and masks stop cases.

Vaccines appear to stop serious illness and death but if you look at the data from Israel not cases. Those vaccinated in Jan only have an 18% protection from catching Covid now.

If you look at masks cases went up massively AFTER they were brought in. If you apply a fresh FFP3 mask every time using clean hands it might help but a bit of blue plastic or cloth.. no evidence I can see that helps.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Jul 21 17:23
Where are the figures for case numbers without masks or vaccines ?
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Jul 21 17:24
last summer before masks came in
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Jul 21 17:24
?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Jul 21 17:25
the between wave figures ?..What about at the peak of a wave ?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Jul 21 17:29
What would the case numbers have been post 24/07/20 without masks ?
Nobody is stating that masks or vaccines stop the spread of the virus, masks may help a little I understand. Vaccines help to a greater extent.
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Jul 21 17:39
I guess that is the point.

We will never know.

We only have the doomsters predictions and then measures were taken and bad things happened anyway.

That is why right now we have the perfect chance to test if the predictors are good at what they do.

They said this wave would peak at 100k-200k cases per day.

Lets see how good they are.
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Jul 21 17:41
johnny we will never know for sure because we had no control experiment

but figures from Sweden and some US states suggest masks don't make a big difference
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 Jul 21 17:43

Jul 26, 2021 -- 11:39AM, frog1000 wrote:


I guess that is the point. We will never know. We only have the doomsters predictions and then measures were taken and bad things happened anyway.That is why right now we have the perfect chance to test if the predictors are good at what they do.They said this wave would peak at 100k-200k cases per day.Lets see how good they are.


Hold on, you were adamant earlier that cases had risen because of mask wearing?

By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Jul 21 17:46
Round and round we go - Have you factored in all of the other variable ? What about population demographics just for starters ?
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 26 Jul 21 17:49
What happens when you give Royal Marine Commandos LSD 1964
You get this ExcitedLaugh

masks don't make a big difference.. It's a cloth nappie ? Ffs.. ExcitedLaugh
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Jul 21 17:50
JTG we have no evidence that wearing sun glass does not stop you catching Covid.

Thats the point here. The scientists could literally suggest any measure they like and if people do it claim it had helped.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Jul 21 17:51
Warning of 100k to 200k has
a sobering effect.

Doubtless they'll be working
on some official explanation
on right wing whack job sites.


.... You see questioning having
covid on death certificate has
brought case rates down.

Nowt to do with schools being closed
By:
politicspunter
When: 26 Jul 21 17:52

Jul 26, 2021 -- 11:50AM, frog1000 wrote:


JTG we have no evidence that wearing sun glass does not stop you catching Covid.Thats the point here. The scientists could literally suggest any measure they like and if people do it claim it had helped.


However, you are making the point that wearing masks drives cases up!

By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Jul 21 17:56
"Nowt to do with schools being closed "

I've said this before and I'll say it again

if schools, not pubs, were such an important driver of case numbers, why were schools open and pubs under restriction?

how can anyone look at this numbers with an open mind and concluded Whitty etc. understand what is happening?
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Jul 21 17:56
Call me a crackpot, and I'm no scientist,  but in absence of any hard evidence suggesting otherwise , wearing a mask even a sh1te one would appear to possibly offer up (small) benefits when mixing with other people.
By:
Cider
When: 26 Jul 21 17:57
Placebo.
By:
Cider
When: 26 Jul 21 18:00
This discussion always arrives at the same conclusion, if you believe in amateur face masks, knock yourself out. Just don't force your opinion on others.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 26 Jul 21 18:06
OK - Let's ignore any possible direct medical benefits - What about the comfort it offers up to the the vulnerable people I mix with in the local shop ? Should I adopt a f**k you attitude , or put a mask on for the 5 minutes whilst I buy my milk and bread ?
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Jul 21 18:11
also if schools were so important you would expect to see the % of new cases among under 19s go down, they haven't
By:
Giuseppe
When: 26 Jul 21 18:12
2/3 of new cases are among over 19s, same as last week
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