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By:
frog1000
When: 28 Jul 21 09:17
It is actually 16% not 18%
By:
frog1000
When: 28 Jul 21 09:25
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15710498/covid-experts-politically-motivated-harm/

Bungler boffins

NOTHING has worsened the panic, misery and loss of public confidence more over the past 18 months than freelancing scientists and other politically motivated “experts” baselessly predicting catastrophe.

They have loved their 15 lucrative minutes of fame and snapped up every invitation to pontificate before a TV camera.

Faced with a pandemic no one alive has experienced, many are just winging it.

Yet every word is treated as gospel.

When cases were rising, ex-Sage Professor Neil Ferguson said 100,000 a day was inevitable, maybe double.

Other scientists agreed, denouncing Boris Johnson as a clown whose Freedom Day gamble would swamp the NHS.

Labour’s Keir Starmer chimed in with utter certainty that we were “heading to 100,000 cases a day” and the reckless PM was personally to blame.

Yesterday, only nine days later and with cases dropping like a stone, Ferguson said the pandemic is in retreat and will pretty much be over by October.

Starmer is praying his latest knee-jerk opportunism, the hallmark of his pitiful leadership, is quietly forgotten.

And let’s not overlook the lockdown-loving wreckers of “Independent Sage”, the discredited leftie science group set up by a Brexit-hating conspiracy theorist****-“journalist” to undermine the Government in our gravest crisis since 1940.

All involved should be ashamed.

A few members of real Sage should too.

They should have been told to speak publicly with one voice from the start.

Why are on-the-hoof Covid theories treated by credulous interviewers as unassailable fact?

No one really knows why cases began plummeting a week ago and are now down by half.

No one saw it coming.

It does far more harm than good for self-interested boffins to spout off when their guess is no better than anyone else’s.
By:
frog1000
When: 28 Jul 21 09:28
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9832319/SARAH-VINE-experts-got-wrong.html


SARAH VINE: As the third wave of Covid fails to arrive as the 'experts' predicted, what ELSE have they got wrong?

As someone who was once affectionately called a ‘retard’ by my O-level physics teacher (people didn’t mince their words in the 1980s), I am in awe of scientists.

Not just because, as far as I’m concerned, what they do is actual magic, but also because, for the most part, they make the world a better place.

These past months, we have seen that truth in action. It is thanks to the work of scientists such as Sarah Gilbert, Teresa Lambe and countless others that we have a successful vaccine in circulation.

Their work is invaluable. But like the rest of us, they get things wrong. Not deliberately, of course; but it happens.

In the case of Covid, trying to predict patterns and outcomes relating to a new, unknown disease would be challenging at the best of times — but nigh on terrifying when people are dying.

But science was our best and only hope. That’s why we have all, from the Minister down, been if not quite at the mercy of scientists, then in their thrall.

As our world spiralled out of control, it was Chief Medical Officer Prof Chris Whitty, Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and their colleagues at SAGE — the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies — to whom we looked for answers.

When it came to questions over lockdown, it was impossible to argue with their dire projections of potential fatalities.

Lockdown scepticism was tantamount to blasphemy. The science was gospel, and anything else was just ignorance.

But this week something changed. Thanks in large part to Boris Johnson’s insistence on going ahead with ‘Freedom Day’ — despite many attempts to get him to postpone — we have been afforded a unique opportunity.

We can see what happens if we don’t slavishly listen to the scientists. And it’s not as cut and dried as they’d have us believe.

Earlier this month, Professor Neil Ferguson — an influential voice in government (despite the fact he ignored his own advice by seeing his married lover during the first lockdown) predicted that cases could soar to 200,000 a day if we lifted the restrictions.

Yesterday, after such an apocalyptic scenario failed to materialise (the rate is around 25,000), he told Radio 4’s Today programme: ‘I’m positive by late September, October time, we will be looking back at most of the pandemic.

‘We’ll still have Covid with us,’ he added, ‘we’ll still have people dying; but we will put the bulk of the pandemic behind us.’

This is encouraging news. But if Ferguson can have been so wide of the mark, how do we know he — and his colleagues — haven’t been wide of the mark before?

How do we know that if we had locked down for shorter periods of time, the NHS still wouldn’t have been overwhelmed? That children could have stayed in school; that cancer screening could have gone ahead; that jobs and businesses could have been saved?

The answer, of course, is we don’t. Even I, a science dunce, know you can’t prove a negative. It is possible that the boffins were right, and that lockdown averted a much bigger disaster.

It is also possible that they weren’t, and that the real disaster — the fallout from shutting down the country for the best part of two years — will be greater than anyone, scientist or layperson, could have predicted.
By:
saddo
When: 28 Jul 21 09:38
Seemingly intelligent people treating wild guesses and mistruths as gospel for eighteen months, an astonishing number of pliant mugs in every country it would seem.
By:
frog1000
When: 28 Jul 21 09:42
Making policy on the back of guesser 'scientists' predictions is proven to be a failure. The world needs to learn from this when they try and force their socialist 'climate change' predictions on us.
By:
saddo
When: 28 Jul 21 09:43
Government -'We are removing a huge part of your health service indefinitely'

General public - 'That's ok, as long as I don't get covid'
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Jul 21 09:58
In the case of Covid, trying to predict patterns and outcomes relating to a new, unknown disease would be challenging at the best of times.

But we weren't starting from scratch, we had previous pandemics to study.

The government advisors have been completely useless in their predictions.

So they gave us a vaccines? Several countries managed to do that.

Which makes one wonder if that's such a miracles as they make out.

Perhaps we completely overrate these men of science we put on pedestals?

If theses are the best, then the best isn't good enough.
By:
clouded leopard
When: 28 Jul 21 14:18
'A decade of vaccines'


Bill told you moons ago Silly



roll 'em up on a monthly basis so you are allowed your digital tokens to buy cabbage and beans and allowed access to the local park as long as it isn't more than 5 minutes radius from your homes

and the people still slept


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
By:
Giuseppe
When: 28 Jul 21 14:37
do we have a number for protection against hospitalisation?
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 28 Jul 21 16:40
Pfizer been out today with "a 3rd jab strongly boosts protection against delta variant"

Where does it stop? when does the next variant hit the shores and a "4th jab strongly boosts protection against *insert name* variant"?

5th jab, 6th jab, 7th jab

Troops smashing your door in to forcefully "vaxxinate people"... the madness of it, the sheer insanity seems to have gone unnoticed
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 28 Jul 21 16:42
What's with all the plurals crippen

You been reading Gerald Durrell?
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Jul 21 17:32
A decade of vaccines'


Bill told you moons ago

Indeed he did. Stock optionsExcitedLaugh
By:
Giuseppe
When: 28 Jul 21 17:33
WHATCHA DOING BILLY BOY
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Jul 21 17:41
Was around the time of Billy thought Epstein cud help him get a peace prize I think ?
So science is the  creator of the virus Crazy
By:
clouded leopard
When: 28 Jul 21 17:48
Moderna x 17 since Covid low 2020


Who'da thunk it



The Oligarchal grab continues unabated

Top 11 stocks in USA now accounts for 20% of entire market !

Healthy ? 

A great portion of the rest will die away over the coming years during the coming economic crisis and the behemoths swell ever larger.
By:
clouded leopard
When: 28 Jul 21 17:52
** top 10 stocks + 26.% of market

even higher
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Jul 21 18:04
Conspiracy pays off .. Weird that ..
I'd prefer privacy, freedom of choice , dignity ,proper media .
Guess I'm a dreamer
Imagine
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Jul 21 18:08
Enya - Only Time
Enjoy it.
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Jul 21 18:35
very Romantic so they say Devil
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Jul 21 18:42
New Mission required ( skinny)but all aboard the
The B-52's - Love Shack

Done now emotional
By:
shiny new shoes please
When: 28 Jul 21 19:06
That was
Travis - Driftwood
2.24 - 2.62 off
Into 2 in play ! Disgraceful
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