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cryoftruth
26 Apr 21 18:37
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We are pleased to say that the Court has granted a Cost Capping Order in our judicial review of Government’s decision to hand a contract to Cummings’ pals at Hanbury without any competition. We will now be able to fight this case to its conclusion.

Crucially, the Judge agreed with us that Government’s estimated costs bill of £450k (almost as much as the contract itself) is ‘disproportionate to a one day hearing’ – and set a cap at £120k for both parties.

Government’s decision not to consent to a cost cap is bizarre and  – many of the same arguments were determined by the Court weeks ago in relation to our PPE challenges. It has now tried and failed twice to argue that these are not public interest proceedings. And it has now twice had to bear from the public purse our costs of seeking a cap. This is a phenomenal – and avoidable – further waste of taxpayers’ money.

Here’s what the Judge had to say on Hanbury:

“I start by considering whether or not there is a matter of genuine public interest raised by these proceedings. I am satisfied that there is. This matter concerns the direct award of a public contract without publicity or competition, and the issue is whether it was unlawful to award a contract in that way.”

The Judge went on to say she is “satisfied that there is a part for the courts to play in determining the legality of the procedures” and “it is appropriate that there should be a public hearing that the Court will consider the evidence and make a decision on the lawfulness of this particular procurement”.

We will take this fight all the way. If you are in a position to donate to the legal challenge you can do so here: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/a-river-to-my-people/
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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 26, 2021 7:50 PM BST
Johnson won't be paying, why would
he worry about costs?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 26, 2021 7:52 PM BST
Makes you wonder who is paying
for the upkeep of his kids if he doesnt
have a pot to pish in.
Report cryoftruth April 28, 2021 6:04 PM BST
Boris Johnson has said he is prepared to give evidence to the Electoral Commission after it began a formal investigation into the refurbishment of his Downing Street flat.

The watchdog said there were reasonable grounds to suspect that the prime minister had broken the rules, increasing pressure on him to explain the funding of work at the flat where he lives with Carrie Symonds, his fiancée.

Oh dear. He is certainly on the road out of Downing Street. Sooner the better and let’s hope Handcock and the others go with him and the sooner the better.
Report LoyalHoncho April 28, 2021 6:28 PM BST
Can't see the Tories dumping him just yet but I know no more than anyone else.  Imo if they want rid they'll let him do the next couple of years or more, then dump him, to give the new guy eighteen months to change the script and thus enter the next election untainted by Johnson and his failings.  As I have been at pains to regularly point out I love him not at all but the extremely efficient ( so far at least ) of this vaccine came on his watch so he does deserve credit for that at least.
Report moisok April 29, 2021 9:22 PM BST
no one interest in the carnage in east london though  - just petty politics  - no one prepared to do anything about it  - especially the MPs  who represent these areas

but then they wouldn't want to upset their voters
Report Whisperingdeath April 29, 2021 10:01 PM BST
Cash for curtains


He is a going to be kicked out soon along with the red sofa!
Report moisok April 29, 2021 10:20 PM BST
but no fkr  is interest in the carnage on london's streets  - even their own mps are more interested in grandstanding  but then they will not want to upset their voters by claiming it is their fault as a community
Report Facts April 29, 2021 10:34 PM BST
LoyalHoncho    28 Apr 21 17:28 
Can't see the Tories dumping him just yet but I know no more than anyone else.  Imo if they want rid they'll let him do the next couple of years or more, then dump him, to give the new guy eighteen months to change the script and thus enter the next election untainted by Johnson and his failings.  As I have been at pains to regularly point out I love him not at all but the extremely efficient ( so far at least ) of this vaccine came on his watch so he does deserve credit for that at least.


Johnson is milking the vaccine rollout as much as he can.
The reality is though,it has nothing to do with him.
His imprint however, is on every failure at every stage of the pathetic attempts to control this virus.
From the calamity of insufficient PPE, the lateness of lockdown, the killing fields of the Cade homes, the utter failure of Test and Trace ,consistent failures to stop air freighting in the virus, to the subsequent delays again to combat the 2nd wave.

The vaccination programme has been a success because it's been controlled by our NHS together with the assistance of local councils throughout the UK.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 29, 2021 10:42 PM BST
And the number of successful vaccines

Surely even beyond the dreams of big pharma
that vaccines could be so readily produced
with such brilliant results against
a dangerous virus.
Report moisok April 29, 2021 10:51 PM BST
see -  no one gives a toss that young men are being carved up, shot  threatened and having their lives ruined  while all you wokeys waffle on
most on here are pathetic  'look at me  - see how clever I am - to make such stupid narrow points'   whilst they are dying in the streets

go  on think it through  -  for instance  what is BLM doing for young black people in  east london  - cos their mps  are doing fk all except grandstanding
Report moisok April 29, 2021 10:52 PM BST
you lot are worse than the spivs   you are simply the opposite  - you mirror them  in your messaging inactivity
Report LoyalHoncho April 29, 2021 11:24 PM BST
I agree with everything you say here Facts, as I have iterated many, many times myself, on many other threads.  You will of course use your inestimable powers of English to reread my post and come up with an accurate interpretation.
How's your pursuit of de-stressing going?
Report tobermory April 30, 2021 8:50 PM BST
The vaccination programme has been a success because it's been controlled by our NHS together with the assistance of local councils throughout the UK.

The UK vaccine success compared to the EU scheme is due to the procurement deals ensuring we had it quicker and in greater numbers. That was achieved by the 'Vaccine Taskforce', an outside body created for the purpose. Even the distribution within the UK was given to the private sector as the NHS own logistics were seen to be inadequate. PHE was completely sidelined.

So the NHS has not made the difference ( unless they are that much better at putting needles in people than their counterparts in the EU) .
Report 1st time poster April 30, 2021 9:00 PM BST
johnsons getting rattled because he in cameron has seen the future here,thought letting the attack dogs out on cameron was funny,but has now realised he,s never going to be left alone,24 hr scruit for the rest of his life as he tries to pick up some of the billions he,s deposited in to his tory mates bank accounts.5/10 yrs on a 150,grand salary ,losing 3 million in newspaper wages,trying to live a multi million year on year lifestyle and now struggling to make good on the deposits he,s put down for future pick up,
1st port of call new kid,s school fees
Report Giuseppe April 30, 2021 10:19 PM BST
sky:yougov poll suggests scandal has had little impact on conservative support
Report nineteen points April 30, 2021 10:22 PM BST
nadim zahawi's yougov?
Report Facts May 1, 2021 8:30 AM BST
LoyalHoncho    29 Apr 21 22:24 


"......How's your pursuit of de-stressing going?...."



No idea what you're referring to
Report Facts May 1, 2021 8:42 AM BST
tobermory

My point about the NHS making the difference is with reference to the likes of the Test and Trace system.
Despite being continually referred to as the NHS Test and Trace system, it's being run by a multitude of outside agencies, the main one being the privately run Serco.

Had the government handed over the vaccination programme  to Serco , it would have been an absolute shambles.
Report 1st time poster May 1, 2021 10:12 AM BST
what does it matter what the polls say tory,s in some sort of power for next 10 yrs,for labour the longer johnsons in charge the better,give him time to annex scotland,unite ire
as for local elections doesnt matter who,s in charge you can only work with money your given,in fact better for labour if tory,s do well and like in tory council ,s/mayors in north east the tory,s have to stump up the cash they havnt got as a reward, be quite funny if tory,s do well in local elections more lemmings to feed
Report Foinavon May 1, 2021 1:22 PM BST
Received a personalised flyer in the post from Labour today.
They can woke off with their People's Plan.
They say they will reduce knife crime, what like Khan has done in London? Cry
Don't mind them wasting their resources sending me such crap, they must be desperate. Laugh
Report moisok May 1, 2021 1:26 PM BST
We have had no increase in council tax for 11 years  -  and it is a tory council   so they must be doing something right  and I don't vote tory - never have done
Report moisok May 1, 2021 1:28 PM BST
khan of course adds to the bills but our council seem to absorb it  -  no  hang on  - it has gone up 4 quid   in 11 years  sorry ha ha ha
Report Foinavon May 1, 2021 1:29 PM BST
I suspect they might be bankrupt, how id TFL doing?
Report edy May 1, 2021 1:58 PM BST
If someone refuses to do something about the problem by voting Tories, then he shouldn't complain about Khan. Voters have the power to get rid of him. Use your voice instead of sticking with old anti-Tory grievances.
Report edy May 1, 2021 2:00 PM BST
Don't know their mayoral candidate, but the Tories as a whole are actually cool (even if I think there were better people available for leadership last time around).
Report edy May 1, 2021 2:03 PM BST
If the people up north from the Red Wall could overcome their old, unwarranted grievances, then so can you!
Report Foinavon May 1, 2021 2:17 PM BST
Moisok is a card-carrying labour member and sleeps under a hammer and sickle duvet cover. He hasn't noticed that the Tories are now more Marxist than Blair.
Report edy May 1, 2021 2:35 PM BST
https://twitter.com/WelshSocialism/status/1388467919110250499

These guys need to field a candidate in the London mayoral elections to give an alternative to life-long card-carrying commies that don't like uppity champagne socialist liberals like Khan.
Report edy May 1, 2021 2:39 PM BST
Would solve a lot of the apparent (supposed?) knife crime in an instant too.
Report LoyalHoncho May 1, 2021 4:39 PM BST
Neither have I Foinavon - please enlighten with some factual evidence. Shocked
Report moisok May 1, 2021 6:28 PM BST
You were all desperate to have us on your side to tackle the  nazis
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 8:10 PM BST
It's a great pity, loyalhoncho, people are brought up to believe that the Conservatives are on the right and Labour are on the left when you can hardly get a cigarette paper between them.
Instead of listening to what they say, what their enemies say about them and the mainstream media whose role is the sensationalise trivia (wallpaper for example), look at what they actually do.
We have had a Conservative Prime Minister since 2010, can you think of any of Blair's policies that have been reversed? Looking further back to the grim days of Harold Wilson and Sunny Jim Callaghan, we had the deeply damaging education reforms of Tony Crossland and Shirley Williams, and the social policies of Roy Jenkins (A darling of the Evil Empire). Has any of this even been attenuated let alone reversed?
What is going on today?
Woke agenda, BLM, Green policies, Magic Money tree, hardly right wing.
Dare I mention immigration? May signed us up to the UN Global Migration Pact, so nowt to do about it.
Is that enough to think about?
Report cryoftruth May 2, 2021 8:20 PM BST
He hasn't noticed that the Tories are now more Marxist than Blair.
He hasn’t noticed because the assertion is complete and utter total tripe.
Not even funny just plain stupid..
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 8:24 PM BST
keep reading the Guardian opinion page, CoT, it's about your level.
Report cryoftruth May 2, 2021 8:30 PM BST
Oh dear. Clearly a raw nerve tapped there.

I could reply with

“Keep reading The Beano.
Anything more serious than Mini The Minx would obviously challenge your “intellect”.”

But that would be a terrible insult to readers of the Beano!
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 8:35 PM BST
You could, there was a time when I loved reading the Beano.
Report cryoftruth May 2, 2021 8:47 PM BST
Me too tbh.
Report edy May 2, 2021 8:47 PM BST
Foinavon • May 2, 2021 8:10 PM BST
It's a great pity, loyalhoncho, people are brought up to believe that the Conservatives are on the right and Labour are on the left when you can hardly get a cigarette paper between them.


I beg to differ. Principles of what is right and  left is not put in stone. Look at the USA. The right there had principles of exceptionalism, utmost manners, respect. Fast forward to the past 5 years and people in the US (and to some extend the wider anglosphere) think the characteristics that primarily make you a right-winger is a keenness to trigger the libs and denying the basic scientific education that the heavily underfunded trickle down school infrastructure has given them.

In the UK, of course the the Tories are still a right-wing party while Labour is a left wing party. Naturally they are not the exact same policies as a 50 years ago. Some policies simply stop to wash as the public views change, making you unelectable. I agree that there's not all that much in between them. They are moderate left and right wing parties (mostly). This again, is simply rooted in the public not being interested in policies that they view as radical. The parties are fighting over a public largely dominated by centrists, so a lot, although by far not all, policies and goals will be somewhat similar. Brexit would obviously be an example of a considerable difference between the two main parties in the UK.

It's not a development that's exclusive to the UK. The German CDU of Merkel isn't the same as the CDU when Helmut Kohl was first elected. There are some people who long for the CDU to be like the 90's version again. Why they want that I'm not exactly sure. I don't see much logic in being able to say "This is the CDU I love Love" when they are perennial losers.
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 8:57 PM BST
I eventually graduated to Viz when a bit older, I also liked "The Cloggies" which appeared in Private Eye for a while.
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 9:02 PM BST
I don't think they were all that different over Brexit, edy, apart from a few tory backbenchers.
Johnson was really a Brexiter he just saw a political opportunity and being Johnson, he went for it. Brexit was largely achieved by others who were able to pressurise the tories into going through with it. In the end Johnson tarted up May's Brino sufficiently to get it through Parliament but it's only a half-hearted thing as we are now seeing.
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 9:04 PM BST
Johnson wasn't really a Brexiter
Report edy May 2, 2021 9:19 PM BST
I know. He's more an opportunist than an ideologue.

Regarding what you perceive as BRINO: I would again say it's somewhat the result of a mostly moderate public. By all accounts, a more radical break from the EU wasn't really favoured by the broader public, was it? What some people called a clean-break Brexit where no treaty is signed whatsoever might not even have been favoured by Brexiters, don't remember.

It would have also very likely caused bigger disruption in the short-term, in the immediate years following the break. Always gotta think of the next elections that are always just a few years away. "Trust us, it will all get getter in 20 years!" is not ideal campaign material in my opinion.
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 9:27 PM BST
It's a consequence of Western pseudo democracy where it is impossible to plan long term. The risk is always there for them of being replaced by another stooge wearing a different rosette.
Report moisok May 2, 2021 9:28 PM BST
we have never had an integrated transport policy
Report moisok May 2, 2021 9:29 PM BST
look who built the M1     then look at who helped build it  - then look who was commissioned to smash the railways
Report moisok May 2, 2021 9:30 PM BST
sorry  - and who was in charge at the time  ho ho
Report edy May 2, 2021 9:36 PM BST

May 2, 2021 -- 3:27PM, Foinavon wrote:


It's a consequence of Western pseudo democracy where it is impossible to plan long term. The risk is always there for them of being replaced by another stooge wearing a different rosette.


Which makes the EU such a brilliant invention.

Report moisok May 2, 2021 9:41 PM BST
I was in a transport cafe  there was  a Morning Star I opened,  around 1973,  on the 2nd page they used to run a regular item about MP's and what they owned and what else they did.
I was stunned to see they not only acted (ACTED HA HA) as Mps   but this one had  EIGHT DIRECTORSHIPS   - how can anyone have NINE JOBS  - you can guess
which direction I went politically after that.
They have not changed and rake in money for appearances  books  charities (expenses)  - you name it  and the more they can stick their mugs in the press etc  the better -  and who wouldn't  - they even try to escape justice by  playing cards
Report Capt__F May 2, 2021 9:48 PM BST
Caxton

racing correspondent

liked an outsider

won SL Nap table once with one winner !
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 9:55 PM BST
Depends what they are planning edy.
Moisok has just made me think of something. Why do you super logical Germans say Das Café and Der Kaffee. Can you explain it?
Report edy May 2, 2021 10:05 PM BST
So we can better differentiate between cafés and Kaffee when we don't see it written. This way, when you only hear someone say "Das Café" you immediately know which of the two that person is talking about.

It's genius like everything regarding the German language.
Report sofiakenny May 2, 2021 10:08 PM BST
L.O.F.U.N.E.X?..9 V.F.N.10 E.X.
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 10:18 PM BST
It's just to frustrate foreigners, admit it. In French both nouns are masculine and no one has any problem with it.

F.U.N.E.M.?
Report edy May 2, 2021 10:18 PM BST
I gotta admit I actually suck at all things regarding "formal" grammar, Foinavon. I would say I'm somewhat decent at using German and English. I don't make all that many spelling mistakes in either language, but to my shame I never really learned the formal side of rules. I'm happy that I'm usually able to identify the verb in a sentence.

Therefore I can't really give you a proper explanation. My serious attempt at a guess would be that "é" is simply considered very feminine, being french and all, and hence in most cases demands a "das" in front of words that end in "é".
Report edy May 2, 2021 10:21 PM BST
neutral I should say, not feminine Blush
Report edy May 2, 2021 10:21 PM BST
See? I suck at these things.
Report edy May 2, 2021 10:23 PM BST
Potentially it's also rooted in it being another word for "Kaffeehaus", which demands a "das".
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 10:26 PM BST
It's the hardest thing when learning German (and French too) that nouns which are neutral in English can be random. You have to hear them in context many times for them to stick.
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 10:28 PM BST
Kaffeehaus and Café having the same gender makes sense.
Report Capt__F May 2, 2021 10:40 PM BST
Jean Paul et Claudette sont dans la cuisine
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 10:57 PM BST
Que font-ils?
Report Capt__F May 2, 2021 10:59 PM BST
1st year French St Philips Edgbaston 1975
Report Foinavon May 2, 2021 11:02 PM BST
You remembered it well.
Report Capt__F May 2, 2021 11:05 PM BST
Oui, c'est vrai

E 5th year epic failPlain
Report LoyalHoncho May 3, 2021 12:47 AM BST
Foinavon, regarding your post of 02 May 21 19:10.
How can you possibly divine that I don't "look at what they actually do"?  You really should come down off of that pedestal of self-appointed superiority over the rest of us mere mortals.   I thank you for the lecture and will try to do better.  As long as you accept that the time of Brown as leader of the Labour Party was ten plus years ago and that the present Labour party is like night and day compared to his one.  There most certainly was a long period where a "cigarette paper"  divided Labour and Conservatives but that is ten plus years ago!  IF not how the h ell did the Tories win so many formerly cast-iron Labour votes in the last election?
Report Whisperingdeath May 3, 2021 7:21 AM BST
Silly cow?
Report Whisperingdeath May 3, 2021 7:21 AM BST
V f e 10 z x?
Report sofiakenny May 3, 2021 9:51 AM BST
hello have you any eggs..nein(no) we havent any eggs...hth whispering..ronnie barker.
Report Whisperingdeath May 3, 2021 2:45 PM BST
Absolute Gold Standard!

Oi I want a word with you!
Report Foinavon May 3, 2021 10:06 PM BST
You asked me for an explanation, loyalhoncho, my apologies if it came across as high handed.

Do I think Starmer is an improvement on Brown? Not really, Brown is a greater intellect, Starmer perhaps more pragmatic. Labour are still suffering from the damage caused by Corbyn and Momentum in my opinion, you only have to look at the shadow cabinet.
Angela Raynor, Anneliese Dodds, David Lammy, Jessica Phillips, Jonathan Ashworth god help us. Then their are people like Ed Miliband, Thornberry, Nandy who may appeal to some, I don't know who. I know, he can only work with what he has but not really brimming with talent.
As for the red wall, the white working class are coming to realise that they are not represented anymore and many of them wanted to see Brexit done, therefore some of them voted for Johnson. Will they go back to Labour, we will see quite soon.
Report wolf3011 May 7, 2021 3:14 PM BST
If Johnson is in bother what starmer is Ive no idea... you've been wiped out cry of despair Cry
Report Foinavon May 7, 2021 7:29 PM BST
As for the red wall, the white working class are coming to realise that they are not represented anymore and many of them wanted to see Brexit done, therefore some of them voted for Johnson. Will they go back to Labour, we will see quite soon.

I think we have the answer loud and clear.
Report moisok May 7, 2021 7:46 PM BST
the problem with my party is it has concentrated on minority issues
it started with the introduction of separate women's  groups in the early 80s  and I voted against it and that was the slide to division of the way forward for the party
it sets up one divisive group against another

instead of being  one  together

I told them  we need to march together not in disparate groups

I should have stood for leader  coz I was right
Report moisok May 7, 2021 7:49 PM BST
ps  and the name LABOUR  is now irrelevant -  look at the representation in London (where I live)   - but then none of you belong to the Labour party or care for it
Report moisok May 7, 2021 7:50 PM BST
in parts of London  all Labour wants is votes from the areas  we know they can do the postal vote  - it is disgusting
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