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cryoftruth
05 Apr 21 07:47
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The DUP are fed up.
First they go for Brexit and lose the vote in Ulster where Remain wins well.
Then they betray Ulster by propping up the Tory Party at Westminster.
Then they get told many times by Johnson that there will be no trade barriers between mainland U.K. and Ulster.
Then there is the deal that puts a border between mainland U.K. and Ulster.
Then Johnson denies there is any such border (ie Johnson has betrayed them and repeatedly lied to them).

The Unionists have been thoroughly shafffted by Johnson, who is laughing his odious head off at them.

Now there are Unionist riots and a possible return to the “troubles”. Is there anything Johnson cannot mess up or tell bare faced lies about?
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Report lfc1971 April 11, 2021 11:24 AM BST
A bit less talk about boris  being evil would be best   , lol
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2021 11:25 AM BST
That’s how wars start
Report cryoftruth April 11, 2021 11:30 AM BST
It was NOT a remainer in the EU referendum. I generally took the view that the EU had been terrible to the people of Greece and the young people of Spain and other places by holding onto the neocon economical policies of austerity at great human expense. I could not support such an organisation myself. I respect all the others’s views on Brexit though.

However there were types of Brexit that would not have caused the current problem in Ireland such a a much softer Brexit with us remaining in the customs Union for example. It was the determination to hammer home a hard Brexit that led to the insoluble Ireland issue. Johnson was either one of or in the grip of the little Englander right wing nutters in the Tory Party hankering after the old empire with delusions of Britain ruling the waves once again and pretending we are somehow still a great world power.

The problem of Brexit for Ireland is basically this:

If there was a border between North and South then the G Friday agreement would be trashed.

If there is a border between N Ireland and the U.K. the lies of Johnson that this would never happen would be revealed for all to see and the Unionists in N Ireland would be very angry and feel rightly lied to conned and betrayed.

Now Johnson seems to think that he can just lie with impunity and that people shafffted by his lies will just have to put up with it.

The Ulstermen seem to be of a rather different view.

All Johnson’s fault though. His lies are going to keep catching up with him till either his own party, the courts, or the voters put an end to the wickedness.
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2021 11:33 AM BST
There is a trading arrangement in the Irish Sea
It can work very well and bring great benefits to the people of N Ireland
It needs cool heads , give that a try CoT
Report A_T April 11, 2021 11:45 AM BST
It's sad that leavers didn't think this through when they voted to destroy the GFA. But then noone ever accused them of having too much brainpower.
Report cryoftruth April 11, 2021 3:17 PM BST
It needs cool heads
It needs decent and honest leadership.
Instead We have a lying toad in Johnson.
If he had just for a few minutes talked straight to the people of Northern Ireland there would be less anger and less kiddies being shoved out my adults to throw petrol bombs.
Report cryoftruth April 11, 2021 3:21 PM BST
There is a trading arrangement in the Irish Sea

Yes for once you are correct. Unfortunately it is an arrangement that Involves checking on the movement of goods between Northern Ireland and the rest of the U.K. and visa versa, this is the arrangement that Johnson promised he would not agree to. Then it because the arrangement that he signed. Then it became the arrangement that he denies the existence of.

Therein lies the problem.

Johnson first told a lie. Then he told another one. Now he continues to lie.

Maybe he cannot help himself but I do feel ashamed having such a transparently bare faced liar as my prime minister.
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2021 4:14 PM BST
Hold your horses CoT . The British government have stopped the checks ( unilaterally )
So I think you should stop throwing about accusations of lies willi nilly
You should be supportive of our government and Britain , and not foreign governments and countries
You should be ashamed of yourself
Report cryoftruth April 12, 2021 10:08 AM BST
Sorry ifc but all of the following is demonstrably true. It is not false because you find the facts run contrary to you blind loyalty to Johnson.

There is a trading arrangement in the Irish Sea

Yes for once you are correct. Unfortunately it is an arrangement that Involves checking on the movement of goods between Northern Ireland and the rest of the U.K. and visa versa, this is the arrangement that Johnson promised he would not agree to. Then it became the arrangement that he signed. Then it became the arrangement that he denies the existence of.

Therein lies the problem.

Johnson first told a lie. Then he told another one. Now he continues to lie.

Maybe he cannot help himself but I do feel ashamed having such a transparently bare faced liar as my prime minister.
Report lapsy pa April 12, 2021 12:56 PM BST
Johnsons lie can be heard again by googling; Youtube James O'Brien's powerful monologue on the violence in Northern Ireland. (about 6 minutes in.)

Meanwhile the uvf are practising ethnic cleansing yet once again,this time Carrickfergus.

Next year when Michelle O'Neill is First Minister will see them lose the plot altogether, they(dup) know they have destroyed themselves in their wish for a hard border.
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:00 PM BST
was there more violence last night?

lapsy do you really think o'neill could be first minister?
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:02 PM BST
i was reading about paisley and the DUP yesterday

they did sail very close to the wind with the rhetoric and paramilitary stuff in the 70s and 80s (ulster resistance movement etc)
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:03 PM BST
paisley was a proper radical, forget about the religious stuff, some of his political rhetoric about resistance etc was very incendiary
Report lapsy pa April 12, 2021 1:04 PM BST
Yes, the uvf are ordering to get Catholics out in Carrickfergus(source Belfast Telegraph)

Most certainly re M.O'N., this is creating nothing but bad feeling with the vast majority who just want a peaceful life
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:08 PM BST
do you think she will favourite when betfair open a market?

so if there are more nationalist MLAs elected than unionist, the first minister will be from the largest natioanlist party, right?

could the asseembly still vote no?
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:12 PM BST
it's currently 40 unionist, 38 nationalist,very close
Report lapsy pa April 12, 2021 1:13 PM BST
I would think so(fav) but i won't be very knowledgable in what would be required to be FM.

The dup are finished and what is happening in lashing out due to their gross incompetence.
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:14 PM BST
do you think DUP voters will switch to UUP?
Report lapsy pa April 12, 2021 1:21 PM BST
TUV is where they seem to be going, it isn't just 2 "tribes" the silent majority won't have what is now being played out,right too as complete disregard for them which will be shown,times have moved on mostly.
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:38 PM BST
TUV are quite right wing too

not sure how they compare to DUP but definitely to the right of UUP

TUV were pr-brexit too
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 1:45 PM BST
i think o'neill would need to be voted in by an overall majority of MLAs

but also by a majority of unionist, and a majority of nationalist MLAs

things could get messy if enough DUP, UUP or TUV vote no

alliance could designate themselves unionist in order to get the vote through
Report unitedbiscuits April 12, 2021 6:38 PM BST
"Entrepeneurs" crawling all over the internet with routes to bypass the single market via Northern Ireland.

It was always part of the Brexit plan to contaminate, weaken and eventually destroy the European Single Market via the Irish border, hiding behind the skirts of the Good Friday Agreement. My hope is that it fails, and I don't care how many 12 year olds the Ulster gangsters send out to riot.
Report shiny new shoes please April 12, 2021 6:56 PM BST
12 year olds the Ulster gangsters send out to riot.
Rubber bullets
Water cannon
Tear gas
Horses
Works wonders trust me
Report SontaranStratagem April 12, 2021 7:13 PM BST
Media blackout on this so it must be organic and taking hold

They only report when its controlled and they can go in and get propaganda pieces, like the ridiculous Ukraine stuff CNN are reporting today, in the middle supposed "gunfire" with a fooking TV crew and the "leader" running round doing a story

Utterly pathetic
Report SontaranStratagem April 12, 2021 7:16 PM BST
The media were doing silly pieces on it the other night trying to discredit it

Notice how not one single reporter was in the middle of it? they resorted to "burning bus" and trying to demonise them as domestic terrorists

LaughLaugh
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 7:24 PM BST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbass#2021_Russian_military_buildup

"Ukrainian president Zelenskyi spoke to American president Joe Biden and urged NATO members to speed up Ukraine's request for membership.[513][514]"

lol Ukraine in NATO? if that doesn't provoke another war i don't know what will

"German chancellor Angela Merkel telephoned Russian president Putin to demand a reversal of the buildup.[520]"

lol Merkel telling Russia to stop moving troops within its own borders
Report Giuseppe April 12, 2021 7:26 PM BST
if anyone wonders why Russians are paranoid: a democratically elected pro-russian Ukranian president is overthrown, and now talk of ukraine joining NATO

russians believe poland etc weren't suposed to join NATO never mind ukraine
Report SontaranStratagem April 12, 2021 8:13 PM BST
If people can't see they're being totally fooked over at every turn then more fool them
Report boxingthefox April 12, 2021 8:44 PM BST
"lol Ukraine in NATO? if that doesn't provoke another war i don't know what will"
Spot on G, a totally unnecessary provocation. NATO has morphed into something it was not meant to be.
Report TheBetterBettor April 13, 2021 1:04 PM BST
The Swiss option...

Brussels officials told their UK counterparts 90 percent of border checks could be wiped out – but only if the UK agrees to align food standards with those of the bloc.


If Boris 'U-turns' for this then he can kiss goodbye trades deals with the u.s. and their bleached chickens
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 1:42 PM BST
No the checks should not be stopped they’re a good thing because we have to be sure the EU comply with U.K. standards
It’s the checks within the U.K. that have been stopped and that’s how it should remain
The EU is confused , again
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 1:52 PM BST
you can have checks in the irish sea or a hard border in ireland

which is it to be?
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:09 PM BST
It doesn’t matter where checks on EU goods are done , as long as there are checks to make sure EU goods comply with U.K. standards
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:11 PM BST
if you want a soft border in ireland, NI must comply with more EU regulations than GB does

in order to ensure NI is complying, checks must take place between GB and NI
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:12 PM BST
you cannot bring stuff from GB to NI to ROI all without checks

if you want to do that, rejoin the EU
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:12 PM BST
How does that ensure that NI is complying ?
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:13 PM BST
there must be checks somewhere
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:13 PM BST
it ensures stuff from GB, which does not meet EU regulations, cannot enter the EU through a soft border in Ireland
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:14 PM BST
How do checks in the Irish Sea ensure that NI is complying ?
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:15 PM BST
NI goods can enter ROI without checks, GB goods cannot
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:15 PM BST
hence the need for checks

if you want NI good going to ROI and a soft border, there must be a different regulatory regime in NI
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:16 PM BST
they don't, the checks are to prevent GB good entering the EU single market
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:16 PM BST
I know that , so how do checks in the Irish Sea ensure NI is complying with EU regulations ?
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:17 PM BST
they don't
Report unitedbiscuits April 13, 2021 2:18 PM BST
The Northern Irish, born with their hands out and never retracted.
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:19 PM BST
Exactly
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:22 PM BST
if there are no checks, GB goods would be able to freely enter the EU single market without checks

the EU will not accept this

so it's checks in the irish sea, or on the irish border
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:23 PM BST
Things seem to be working very well ( since Boris unilaterally stopped the checks of U.K. goods
This is how it was meant to work
Carry on as is
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:25 PM BST
Any produce destained for the EU from any part of the U.K. can be checked anywhere that’s fine
We don’t have a problem with that
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:26 PM BST
In fact the U.K. must insist on it , to check EU maintain standards
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:27 PM BST
"Any produce destained for the EU from any part of the U.K. can be checked anywhere that’s fine "

if you check it on the irish border, that means a hard border
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:27 PM BST
That of course includes the south of Ireland
But not the north
We’ll take the chance that the eu don’t try to smuggle shoddy goods via  the north
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:28 PM BST
"Things seem to be working very well"

the EU is taking legal action and people are rioting

apart from that yes things are working well
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:29 PM BST
if there are no GB-NI checks, it means NI goods will not be able to enter the ROI without checks, hence a hard border in ireland
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:32 PM BST
Let me make it easy , we must have checks on EU goods to and from britain   , including from the south of Ireland
But not to and from NI to Britain
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:33 PM BST
ok so a hard border in ireland it is, understood
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:34 PM BST
No I didn’t say that . The checks can be done in NI , no problem
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:34 PM BST
how would you prevent shoddy goods getting into GB via NI from ROI / EU, without checks in the irish sea?
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:35 PM BST
Nothing from the south of Ireland or any other part of the EU can be allowed to enter the U.K. without checks obviously
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:35 PM BST
no checks on irish border

no checks GB-NI

how do you prevent shoddy GB goods getting into EU?

how do you prevent shoddy EU goods getting into GB?
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:36 PM BST
Germany to ROI to NI to GB and vice versa

all without checks?
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:36 PM BST
I’ve akready said , we’re not worried and will monitor the eu to make sure they comply with U.K. standards
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:37 PM BST
If they do try to come via NI I’m sure we will notice
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:39 PM BST
"monitor the eu to make sure they comply with U.K. standards"

where will this monitoring take place?
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:40 PM BST
That’s a matter for the police and security services , same as always with criminal activity
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:42 PM BST
You see we are allowed check and to stop any lorry that enters Britain
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:43 PM BST
And ask him where he’s from and where he’s going
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:43 PM BST
if you do that on NI-ROI border it means a hard border

do you want a hard border? maybe you do, that's ok, but is a problem for NI
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:44 PM BST
Germany-ROI-NI-GB

there must be checks somewhere
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:45 PM BST
you can't have checks between Germany and ROI, so that leaves ROI-NI or NI-GB
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:46 PM BST
We don’t need a border in Ireland we’ve got the Irish Sea
Stop them as soon as they enter Britain , I don’t care
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:47 PM BST
will there be checks ROI-NI or not?
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:48 PM BST
I don’t care where the checks are done , anywheres fine
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:49 PM BST
is GB-NI fine?
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:50 PM BST
it's a binary choice

ROI-NI or NI-GB
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:50 PM BST
Both
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 2:57 PM BST
a hard border in ireland it is so
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 2:59 PM BST
No we continue as it is now , no problem
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:01 PM BST
at the moment you can't stop shoddy good entering GB

and the EU won't accept this set up long term
Report casemoney April 13, 2021 3:02 PM BST
Any excuse for these Gangster run mobs to kick off and that's not taking sides .
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:06 PM BST
We can check all lorries coming into Britain from the EU , that’s fine I’m sure we will notice if the EU tries to smuggle dodgy goods into the U.K.
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:09 PM BST
We will arrest those involved , and I expect the EU to do their duty and arrest and prosecute those involved in Europe
Thanks
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:15 PM BST
how can you check lorries without a hard border?
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:19 PM BST
That’s a matter for the police
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:21 PM BST
And of course border security and customs
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:23 PM BST
there is no way to do it

if there was it would have been adopted
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:24 PM BST
this has all been investigated over the last few years
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:24 PM BST
We’re doing it now , and have done for 40 years and longer
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:27 PM BST
Standards have to be checked , they always have and always will
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:28 PM BST
you weren't checking stuff from ROI when you were in the EU
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:29 PM BST
now you are because of brexit
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:29 PM BST
hene why ROI-NI border is a problem
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:29 PM BST
hence
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:30 PM BST
single market means no checks
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:31 PM BST
We weren’t stopping stuff at the border perhaps , nothings changed then . Same as the EU
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:34 PM BST
this is the type of stuff donald tusk was talking about

you've voted for something without realising the mess it makes and you have solution to clean up the mess other than unilaterally breaking agreements
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:34 PM BST
no solution
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 3:36 PM BST
No I don’t see any mess really , everything is going surprisingly smoothly
Report Giuseppe April 13, 2021 3:38 PM BST
Crazy
Report lfc1971 April 13, 2021 4:03 PM BST
If I really wanted to help the EU out and if they do have concerns  I would suggest they put a hard border between the south of Ireland and themselves .. you’re welcome
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