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politicspunter
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Has the makings of a decent betting contest.
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Report lfc1971 May 7, 2021 7:30 AM BST
To their eternal credit it was the Tory party who understood that basic principle and stood true
Well done good and faithful servants
Report lfc1971 May 7, 2021 7:32 AM BST
Amazing result if Hartlepool goes Tory CoolHappy
Report GAZO May 7, 2021 7:32 AM BST
Laugh
Report GAZO May 7, 2021 7:33 AM BST
peter kay must be crapping himself with you around
Report lfc1971 May 7, 2021 7:41 AM BST
Once a party becomes even marginally separated from that basic principle of democracy then it is very dangerous
Report lfc1971 May 7, 2021 7:55 AM BST
Now don’t be arrogant kneeler Starmer and the Labour Party again , cheers
Report xmoneyx May 7, 2021 7:56 AM BST
starmer - we should be 20 pts ahead or tories

corbyn - hold my beer
Report tobermory May 7, 2021 8:02 AM BST
1 Jill Mortimer Conservative 15,529
2 Paul Daniel Williams Labour 8,589
3 Sam Lee Independent 2,904
4 Claire Martin Heritage Party 468
5 John Prescott Reform UK 368
6 Rachel Sara Featherstone Green 358
7 Andrew Michael Hagon Liberal Democrat 349
8 Thelma Doris Walker Independent 250
9 Chris Killick 248
10|Hilton Dawson The North East Party 163
11 W. Ralph Ward-Jackson Independent 157
12 Gemma Evans Women's Equality Party 140
13 Adam Gaines Independent 126
14 The Incredible Flying Brick The Official Monster Raving Loony Party 108
15 David Bettney Social Democratic Party 104
16 Steve Jack Freedom Alliance, No Lockdowns, No Curfews 72
Report tobermory May 7, 2021 8:03 AM BST
1 Jill Mortimer Conservative 15,529
2 Paul Daniel Williams Labour 8,589
3 Sam Lee Independent 2,904
4 Claire Martin Heritage Party 468
5 John Prescott Reform UK 368
6 Rachel Sara Featherstone Green 358
7 Andrew Michael Hagon Liberal Democrat 349
8 Thelma Doris Walker Independent 250
9 Chris Killick 248
10 Hilton Dawson The North East Party 163
11 W. Ralph Ward-Jackson Independent 157
12 Gemma Evans Women's Equality Party 140
13 Adam Gaines Independent 126
14 The Incredible Flying Brick The Official Monster Raving Loony Party 108
15 David Bettney Social Democratic Party 104
16 Steve Jack Freedom Alliance, No Lockdowns, No Curfews 72
Report tobermory May 7, 2021 8:03 AM BST
13 lost deposits
Report politicspunter May 7, 2021 8:19 AM BST
Great credit to independent Samantha Lee for a fantastic result, saving her deposit.
Report markzzz May 7, 2021 8:23 AM BST
The overriding lesson from these results is that Starmer and so many on here are focused on issues which are not terribly important to the electorate. Issues which may be important in their eyes, but not in the eyes of the overwhelming majority of the electorate.
Report edy May 7, 2021 8:35 AM BST
Do you Brits and US Americans keep the stupid tradition of voting on a Thursday to this day to make it harder for working people to vote?
Report GAZO May 7, 2021 8:36 AM BST
no,if they moved it to the weekend less people would vote
Report frog1000 May 7, 2021 8:42 AM BST
Making someone who is a remainer, a BLM fan and totally unrelatable to working people head of the workers party was not a good idea.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 8:42 AM BST
Hartlepool


Tory plus brexit

Down from 22k to 16k


Labour

Down from 14.5k to 8.5k


Obviously lower turnout for
by election, as there usually
always is.



Huge loss, as any loss would have
been,.. But polling seems to have nailed
it, again!
Report edy May 7, 2021 8:43 AM BST

May 7, 2021 -- 2:36AM, GAZO wrote:


no,if they moved it to the weekend less people would vote


Why would that be? Isn't it much cooler and easier to go for a 5 minute stroll on a Sunday whenever you wish than to go on a Thursday hastily before work or after a long day at work?

Report GAZO May 7, 2021 8:47 AM BST
because most people dont really care who gets in
Report edy May 7, 2021 8:48 AM BST
Yeah, so shouldn't they be even less motivated to go vote and potentially wait in a queue after a long, stressful day at work?
Report layingisthewayforward May 7, 2021 8:50 AM BST
It would appear that the normal man or woman in the street doesn't give a toss about who paid for Boris' wallpaper
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 8:51 AM BST
People can get a postal vote and have
15 hours to vote.

I don't think a Sunday vote
would change results by a huge
amount.

Hartlepool got 42.7% turnout
for by election, compared to
60% at gen election in 2019.
Report GAZO May 7, 2021 8:52 AM BST
you just stop off on your way too or from work,yesterday i only voted because i had to walk past the polling station to go to a shop otherwise i wouldnt have bothered
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 8:54 AM BST
I had 3 ballot papers
One of which I didn't care
about,.. Police commissioner

Then parish council (10+ votes) and county
council (2 votes)

So I could vote for 13 candidates
or so, but only voted for 5.
Report GAZO May 7, 2021 8:55 AM BST
i would always go out of my way for a general election and usually for local elections but now the partys are pretty much the same and wouldnt have voted yesterday but for going past
Report edy May 7, 2021 8:58 AM BST
Ok. I just imagine it being more of a bother to vote on a working day for the general public, but maybe that's just my biased view as someone from a country where voting is always on a Sunday.

As you say though, if you walk directly past the polling station (and you have enough of them so there usually aren't long queues) on your ways to and from work, then that's unproblematic too.
Report posy May 7, 2021 9:02 AM BST
posy06 May 21 14:55Joined: 18 Oct 03 | Topic/replies: 13,961 | Blogger: posy's blog
Expect Labour about to be humiliated ; will Starmer survive the inevitable bloodbath ,that is the question

Might as well put the Labour party into receivership ;it's no use to man or beast.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 9:03 AM BST
Might be more hassle for some to
vote on a Sunday.

If workmates don't remind them
there's an election.

Non of the above wins by default.
Report layingisthewayforward May 7, 2021 9:17 AM BST
Will Starmer survive after yesterday's results?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 9:20 AM BST
Twitter ablaze with corbyn
supporters who clearly do not
like Starmer, and did not
vote for him.

I can't see their vote anywhere
so guess they stayed home.

Can't see them voting tory!
Report layingisthewayforward May 7, 2021 9:25 AM BST
I would have thought all Tory supporters want him to stay exactly where he is.. Staggering how Labour could have appointed someone so unelectable straight after Corbyn.
Report Cider May 7, 2021 9:36 AM BST
There's not a huge amount of talent in the reserves to select from.
Report GAZO May 7, 2021 9:37 AM BST
wait until this time next year when no furlough and people find out how things are going to be paid for
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 9:38 AM BST
From twitter...



Incredibly, TWO Northumberland seats were dead heats and decided by drawing straws. (Well, drawing names out a hat...)

One of them cost the Labour leader her seat, the other saw the Tories lose a seat to the LibDems.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 9:40 AM BST
Conservatives take overall control of Northumberland Council by one seat. This is the first time any one party has had an absolute majority since the authority was created in 2008.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 9:40 AM BST
What a way to decide an election, lol
Report frog1000 May 7, 2021 9:40 AM BST
Boris might get away with it if interest rates remain low and he keeps borrowing.

The problem for Labour will be they agreed with what Boris did with the lockdowns and other measures that crippled the economy.

If there is massive job loses Labour will also be to blame. It was caused by all MPs who waved Boris through.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 9:43 AM BST
1 more vote for Labour, and council
remain noc, every vote counts!
Report GAZO May 7, 2021 9:43 AM BST
'if interest rates remain low and he keeps borrowing' thats just kicking the can down the road or abusing future generations
Report frog1000 May 7, 2021 9:44 AM BST

May 7, 2021 -- 3:43AM, GAZO wrote:


'if interest rates remain low and he keeps borrowing' thats just kicking the can down the road or abusing future generations


I agree but being doing that since 2008.

Report GAZO May 7, 2021 9:50 AM BST
who would have thought that from a conservative government
Report thegiggilo May 7, 2021 10:06 AM BST
Sir Keith Tory 2.0 what could possibly be going wrong..i still can't help laughing at this ffs the slow down of the backing track as well.

https://twitter.com/spoofed_uk/status/1389643995467366402
Report wolf3011 May 7, 2021 10:15 AM BST
lol@ labour stalwarts on here blaming the results on it being on a Thursday / people not being bothered to vote or the most hilarious one of all " How do you think people are going to vote when they see furlough ending and who will pay for it". As if they will all flock to Labour, a party advocating longer/ stricter set of lockdowns where their main policies involve crying about what sofa is in Johnsons flat.. they're finished as a major political party or viable opposition for the forseeable future thanks to labour voters such as the cry of despair believing people give a sh1t about wallpaper etc dressing it up as a "scandal" while every one else laughs at what a pathetic rabble they are
Report edy May 7, 2021 10:26 AM BST
Which labour stalwarts blamed the result on it being on a Thursday?
Report Richie_Burnett May 7, 2021 10:26 AM BST
Starmer has alienated natural Labour supporters and centre-left moderates, such as myself, by ostracising Jeremy Corbyn.
Report akabula May 7, 2021 10:44 AM BST
Bring back Jeremy says Richie. LaughLaughLaugh
Labour are finished if thats the dream.
Report lapsy pa May 7, 2021 10:47 AM BST
I miss "the SNP are finished" thread Sad
Report eyeball May 7, 2021 10:52 AM BST
I have no idea how either of the main parties are electable . Like selecting which turd you will be having for your evening meal .
Report akabula May 7, 2021 11:01 AM BST
I miss "the SNP are finished" thread

No doubt Trilby, who started the thread, would agree with you.
Would still be there if you lefties hadn't worn out your report buttons.
Report lapsy pa May 7, 2021 11:05 AM BST
It had everything,passion,banter,cartoons and people getting things totally a$$ways.

Maybe you could start up a "labour is finished" one?
Report Foinavon May 7, 2021 11:08 AM BST
Do you still hear from him Aka? I miss him contributions too and hope he will be back.
Report edy May 7, 2021 11:09 AM BST

May 7, 2021 -- 5:01AM, akabula wrote:


I miss "the SNP are finished" threadNo doubt Trilby, who started the thread, would agree with you.Would still be there if you lefties hadn't worn out your report buttons.


What happened to the sense of personal responsibility?

Report akabula May 7, 2021 11:12 AM BST
He was on utube but has now disappeared.
Left a forwarding address for me but the new site is for share/gold traders and not really my cup of tea.
Report akabula May 7, 2021 11:14 AM BST
Yes Trilby was a good poster Foinavon but I'm sure his recent ban is permanent.
Report edy May 7, 2021 11:17 AM BST
Third ban is always permanent I think. Granti's third ban was permanent for sure.
Report edy May 7, 2021 11:18 AM BST
Should just get together and form a twitter group with trilby. That's how I keep in touch with my Granti.
Report Foinavon May 7, 2021 11:19 AM BST
That's a great shame but he has been banned a few times so it wouldn't be surprising.
Report Richie_Burnett May 7, 2021 11:21 AM BST

May 7, 2021 -- 5:18AM, edy wrote:


Should just get together and form a twitter group with trilby. That's how I keep in touch with my Granti.


They'll all be meeting up at the next national action conferenceCry

Report edy May 7, 2021 11:21 AM BST
That's good too. Happy
Report Racingqueen May 7, 2021 11:37 AM BST
Well Keir, thats what going down the identity politics/woke route gets you.

as the Joker said, You get what you f**king deserve Laugh
Report xmoneyx May 7, 2021 12:17 PM BST
A 10-story, 23-ton piece of a Chinese rocket will crash into Earth sometime over the weekend — but no one knows where.

labour HQ
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 12:23 PM BST
Mar a lago, seems to be
its preferred target,

Tracking the bugs placed
in the vaxxes!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 12:30 PM BST
Cornwall: LAB gain Falmouth Arwenack from CON, and Falmouth Penwerris from LDEM.
Report casemoney May 7, 2021 1:09 PM BST
Has the makings of a decent betting contest. LaughLaugh

The word slaughtered comes to mind , Lets hope PP was not betting labour here
Report politicspunter May 7, 2021 1:29 PM BST

May 7, 2021 -- 7:09AM, casemoney wrote:


Has the makings of a decent betting contest. The word slaughtered comes to mind , Lets hope PP was not betting labour here


politicspunter • April 5, 2021 11:53 PM BST
If anyone is still up, go and back the tories in this asap at around evens before the poll comes out. Grin

It was there in black and white.

Report the old nanny ;-) May 7, 2021 1:32 PM BST
Good man PP , nice to see a sensible post among the rest of the leftist shyte on here .
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 3:39 PM BST
Reds potted by greens in Sheffield?

Hillsborough (Sheffield) council result:

Grn: 41.4% (+26.9)
Lab: 35.6% (-11.0)
Con: 16.0% (+9.1)
LDem: 5.6% (-4.6)
Oth: 1.4% (-1.5)

No UKIP (-18.9)

Grn GAIN from Lab
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 3:43 PM BST
Starmer needs snookers!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 3:46 PM BST
Con gain Cockermouth!

Lib dems flop

Cockermouth North (Cumbria) council result:

Con: 41.3% (+11.4)
Lab: 28.0% (+1.1)
LDem: 21.0% (-18.8)
Grn: 6.9% (+3.5)
Ind: 2.8% (+2.8)

Con GAIN from LDem
More:
Report sageform May 7, 2021 4:20 PM BST
The north east has become more of a Tory stronghold than Surrey! Did you see the Teesside mayor result? 72% Surreal.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2021 5:34 PM BST
Mayor is a popular guy, so no
great surprise.
Report Cider May 7, 2021 6:15 PM BST
My view is simple: in the past decade, Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people. A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party. They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday. The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world. No wonder it is doing better among rich urban liberals and young university graduates than it is amongst the most important part of its traditional electoral coalition, the working-class.

A bit of superficial flag-waving – reinforced by urgent memos from party HQ – isn’t going to fix that. We have to recognise that the patriotism of these voters runs much deeper than that. They are more alert to rebranding exercises than spin doctors give them credit for. Their patriotism is about historic pride in their places, the heritage and stories of those places, and the Britishness and Englishness of the people and families that call them home.


ouch!
Report Giuseppe May 7, 2021 6:20 PM BST
who wrote that cider
Report Cider May 7, 2021 6:21 PM BST
Khalid Mahmood, just resigned from the shadow front bench.
Report casemoney May 7, 2021 6:22 PM BST
Shocked
Report Magic__Daps May 7, 2021 7:18 PM BST
Khalid is describing a fair few on here isn't he, yet they cannot even see it no matter how many times they look at themselves in the mirror. Woke, virtue signalling types who simply call anyone with a different view racists and far right etc etc. They keep shouting it at every opportunity, that nobody falls for the utter guff they spout.
Report boxingthefox May 7, 2021 7:21 PM BST
" A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party". Their leader in chief Corbyn on just now peddling the same old guff., FFF
Report boxingthefox May 7, 2021 7:22 PM BST
FFS.*
Report SontaranStratagem May 7, 2021 7:25 PM BST
Labour are currently being led by a knighted former lawyer... think that says it all

"Labour have lost the trust of the working man" < "sir" keir starmer, they've been spouting that rubbish almost since 2001 and yet nothing happens

Insanity...
Report Giuseppe May 7, 2021 7:27 PM BST
working person surely?
Report frog1000 May 7, 2021 7:38 PM BST
'A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party. They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society'

They haven't just captured the Labour Party.

They have captured the entire western world.

They need to be put back in their box fast.
Report SontaranStratagem May 7, 2021 7:42 PM BST
Giuseppe no your right it was "working people" my bad

"people kind" Plain
Report mafeking May 7, 2021 10:37 PM BST
indeed how could he possibly accept a knighthood if he had any intention of going into frontline politics ? a knight masquerading as a man of the people. come off it
Report LoyalHoncho May 8, 2021 3:33 AM BST
The latest madness imposed upon our free world has been the reduction from £140 to a fee of just £5 to register as transgender.  lmao.
Report posy May 8, 2021 10:16 AM BST
The working class no longer exists apart from a scattering of dinosaurs and dodos and in ten years it will be extinct. Ordinary people cannot be readily categorised apart from either being aspirational or wanting to be spoon fed by the State. The great majority thankfully fall into the former category and the party of Keir Hardie will be left with the shirkers and dregs and that will never be enough to gain power.
Report edy May 8, 2021 10:58 AM BST

May 7, 2021 -- 9:33PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:


The latest madness imposed upon our free world has been the reduction from £140 to a fee of just £5 to register as transgender.

Report edy May 8, 2021 10:58 AM BST
^ Why is it madness of the state to not unnecessarily rip people off in a free world?
Report macarony May 8, 2021 3:07 PM BST
Labour need a white working class man from the Midlands or the North anything else is tainted by political correctness. Like someone as already said the day an ex mining town votes for the tories tells you how far the Labour party have drifted off course.
Report Just Checking May 8, 2021 3:14 PM BST
"The working class no longer exists apart from a scattering of dinosaurs and dodos and in ten years it will be extinct."
There is a school of thought (and I can see why) that Marxists know this to be true do realligned.
I.e. That is why the goalposts are now moved to divide us all along every single line of "identity" they can dream up.

A society where everyone gets along is no use to marxists, it will simply die without the hate. Marxism lives on hate.
A society where everyone believes they are in whatever imagined group being oppresed by another group is Marxism page 1.
Sound familiar?
Report macarony May 8, 2021 3:31 PM BST
You sound like Thatcher and the middle call elites that is the kind of BS they talk, we the working class despite open attempts at passive genocide are still here and we are still the largest social group and who knows we might even wake up one day and say enough is enough and take back what is rightfully ours
Report Just Checking May 8, 2021 3:43 PM BST
Macarony my post was nothing to do with thatcher OR any sort of working class struggle, better or for worse.
My point was, due to changes in society that sort of "struggle" is hard to promote or dying so the academic marxists have now tried to move the "struggle" on.

So univerities are now full of airheads who 100 years ago would be filled with ideas of the worker power struggle, now it's Identity politics power struggles.

It's the same things, different labels.
Report Cider May 8, 2021 4:00 PM BST
Tories are pragmatic, it is as simple as that. Not driven by dogmatic ideology. New labour and Blair, whatever you think of them, won elections and managed to roll out their plans as they were pragmatic. For example JRM doesn't believe in gay marriage personally, however he appreciates that is no longer the mainstream view, it won't change, and doesn't try to change people into his way of thinking. Many of them don't believe in a generous state, but their new coalition does, so we now have a very generous state. I feel it is far too generous myself, but it's not the mainstream view. I can see why they have taken that approach. It's about time we saw some of the new Tories from 2019 in government.
Report TheBetterBettor May 8, 2021 6:37 PM BST
Hartlepool likes voting for liars...

Just as Boris burnt Aileen Goster with his fake fairy-tale promises .... he probably do the same with this gullible lot. Which won't make any difference whatsoever cos they will vote him in again and again after being coerced by the 'brainwashing' newspapers.

'Up Democracy'.
Report Magic__Daps May 8, 2021 7:47 PM BST
"brainwashing newspapers", along with the "right wing media" getting the blame yesterday.

Comedy Gold.
Report sageform May 8, 2021 8:20 PM BST
The Labour party are now busy blaming each other. It is very telling that Oxford and Cambridge have resisted the Blue tide while those wealthy cities like Hartlepool and Cockermouth are leading it! The Tory heartland has moved to the places that would not have allowed a candidate to open his mouth 20 years ago.
Report 1st time poster May 9, 2021 11:14 AM BST
I LIVE up here on teesside and quite happy to enjoy any fruits of so called tory revolution on teesside ,whilst always hating and never voting tory,
but i heard a dozen reasons from a dozen different people in hartlepool why they wouldnt vote labour  none made any sense and most complete contradiction,s ,
one said theres no police cell in ,pool and hospital,s a disgrace so i voted tory,he probably didnt no tory,s been in power  last 11 yrs
another said  they only care about metropolitan cities etc ,then said after 11 yrs of tory,s in power he had to travel to newcastle to work in sed metropolitan elite,
another said labour are remaining lefties and wants houchen to bring jobs like the treasury jobs in darlo to h,pool,so he wants a 1000 leftie,remaining civil servant jobs brought to h,pool,

i cant work out whether h,pool wants to remain h,pool of today or become a place like manchester,leeds,newcastle etc that they all seem to despise,if they become the prosperous well paid jobs town of the likes ben houchen says he wants,they,ll be attracting the sort of people in to the town they say they hate ,the likes of salford,altrincham were the h,pools 25 yrs ago
Report TheBetterBettor May 9, 2021 4:33 PM BST
Lillian Bilocca would be turning over in her grave over this lot.....
Report politicspunter May 9, 2021 8:20 PM BST
A senior Labour figure told a meeting with the leader’s office that Angela Rayner was “dressed inappropriately” on a visit to Hartlepool. She was wearing leopard-print trousers, heavy-duty stomper boots and a hoodie.
Report 1st time poster May 9, 2021 8:58 PM BST
to be fair i hardly recognised tracy babin with her clothes on LaughLaugh
Report politicspunter May 9, 2021 9:07 PM BST
One of my wifes favourite twitter characters is called totes inappropes. I don't know her real name (totes that is) but apparently she turned up for an interview with a mini skirt on (she isn't a teenager) and the interviewer said it was "totally inappropriate", hence the twitter name. I won't be able to look at Angela Rayner now without calling her totes Grin
Report TheBetterBettor May 10, 2021 11:41 AM BST
Magic__Daps 08 May 21 18:47

"brainwashing newspapers", along with the "right wing media" getting the blame yesterday.

Comedy Gold


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