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dukeofpuke
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At a lesser rate though

Trouble with that is they extended the current one until April before the Xmas lockdown

So what do they know or have got planned
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Report tashkent terror March 2, 2021 10:34 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVV68PLuA8E
Report feedthepony March 2, 2021 10:38 PM GMT
Will only end to roll off onto universal basic income.

The Great Reset - you will own nothing and you will be happy
Report frog1000 March 3, 2021 8:24 AM GMT
June 21st everything opens back including nightclubs.

Back to normal with zero restrictions.

That is the plan we are told.

We are also told this is to be the last lockdown - that is why it is happening so slowly.

So why is Sunak extending Furlough until September?

Something does not add up.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 3, 2021 9:13 AM GMT
Because you can open things up but it doesn't mean people will visit. If the virus is still lurking, plenty of vulnerable people will be a bit reticent and business levels will not be at previous levels. You either have furlough or you have business closures, job losses etc. Government pays either way. At least this way they give businesses room to breathe.
Report frog1000 March 3, 2021 9:40 AM GMT

Mar 3, 2021 -- 3:13AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


Because you can open things up but it doesn't mean people will visit. If the virus is still lurking, plenty of vulnerable people will be a bit reticent and business levels will not be at previous levels. You either have furlough or you have business closures, job losses etc. Government pays either way. At least this way they give businesses room to breathe.


Big difference between giving people £2500 each to giving them universal credit.

It seems a little unfair on those getting UC that other people that will not have worked for 18 months with still be taking £2500 a month off the tax payer.

If the government no longer forces businesses to close surely time is up on the big hand outs?

I suspect this is being extended because there think they will likely be restrictions going into next autumn.

Report PorcupineorPineapple March 3, 2021 10:40 AM GMT
Didn't have you down as such a socialist to be honest.
Report frog1000 March 3, 2021 11:12 AM GMT
The taxes will be going up for everyone  (tax free income tax threshold held) to pay for the lucky few who can collect £2500 for doing nothing.

Furlough too generous 18 months on.

Look at all the multimillionaire business owners that are using it to pay their staff.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 3, 2021 11:40 AM GMT
So you want to penalise your "lucky few" - ie the day to day workers with kids and bills to pay - and you're using the multimillionaire owners as you're reason. I know Brexit's turned everyone into a Socialist now - and welcome in by the way, the water's lovely - but I think you might just want to take a step back and check on your logic. You're close though. You talk about tax rises, you talk about multimillionaire owners...If there was only a way to make the system fair. Hmm
Report frog1000 March 3, 2021 1:20 PM GMT

Mar 3, 2021 -- 5:40AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


So you want to penalise your "lucky few" - ie the day to day workers with kids and bills to pay - and you're using the multimillionaire owners as you're reason. I know Brexit's turned everyone into a Socialist now - and welcome in by the way, the water's lovely - but I think you might just want to take a step back and check on your logic. You're close though. You talk about tax rises, you talk about multimillionaire owners...If there was only a way to make the system fair. Hmm


£2500 a month = £30k a year.

Well above average wage and well above UC.

It will all have to be paid back.

Don't complain when other services have to be cut in future to pay for this.

Report frog1000 March 3, 2021 1:42 PM GMT
Personal income tax allowance to be frozen at £12,570 from 2022 to 2026

Min wage £8.91 an hour. 35 hour week is around £16k a year.

Yet on furlough trouser almost twice that of people working on min wage who will have the tax allowance frozen until 2026.
Report HGS March 3, 2021 1:49 PM GMT
Always thought it was over generous at the start  80%. A year on still the same and til September. Crazy
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 3, 2021 1:53 PM GMT
How many are taking up the full amount? Again, love the Socialism brother but you're a little light on detail and a bit too obsessed with wanting to punish the many because of the few.


As for paying back, I don't disagree. Put the blame firmly on the govt imo, due to their hopeless mishandling and the lengths and frequencies of these closures. But that's another story. But, as I said, I'm not disagreeing about them being paid back.

I came here simply to point out that the choice is either use furlough or see thousands of businesses go under and millions join the dole queue. I imagine the hope is that the impact of the furlough scheme will be much shorter than the alternative that could have seen so many thousands of people struggling to ever get a similar job ever again given their age profiles and the knock on effects to failing mortgages, bankruptcies and unpaid debts etc. We'll have to wait and see if it pays off.
Report GAZO March 3, 2021 1:59 PM GMT
the worry with furlough is that it is hiding businesses that have effectively aready gone bust or keeping business's  afloat which probally will go bust
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 3, 2021 2:01 PM GMT
Definitely so. But again, it's do you penalise the 90% because of that.
Report GAZO March 3, 2021 2:04 PM GMT
no you cant
Report HGS March 3, 2021 2:04 PM GMT
porc, do you think 80% is right?
Report layingisthewayforward March 3, 2021 2:05 PM GMT
Apart from Sept-Dec I've been receiving furlough payments since March last year. With mortgage, car and all the other usual payments to make there is no way i would have survived on universal credit.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 3, 2021 2:11 PM GMT
Just because furlough is extended doesn't mean the full 7 million
will remain on it,... Surely its best to unwind it as required rather than cliff edge.


Sad to see bosses abusing it... Hope the fraud squad catch em.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 3, 2021 2:48 PM GMT
HGS, I've obviously not looked at the figs but it feels relatively fair. Obviously, the employee will save money by removing travel expenses but on the flip side I'd imagine gas and electric bills are higher as they're at home all day. Otherwise, their bills simply haven't gone down. Mortgage, rent, utilities, phone, loans etc aren't being reduced to take account of furlough so where do you go? In an ideal world you could look at each case on its merits but I suppose they've got to do it macro and just pick a figure that allows things to continue as best they can so that people can pick up their lives when we're through the other side.
Report HGS March 3, 2021 2:54 PM GMT
Fair enough. There's pros and cons either way. I would have thought around 60% a fair mark mesen. There's no doubting the benefit of the furlough scheme though.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 3, 2021 2:57 PM GMT
Some would manage on 60,some would not.


I do hope those on furlough are not those taking
mortgage breaks and the like.
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 3:01 PM GMT
The question might be asked is how is the country functioning quite nicely with so many people on furlough
Report GAZO March 3, 2021 3:06 PM GMT
in what way functioning quite nicely ?
Report frog1000 March 3, 2021 3:09 PM GMT

Mar 3, 2021 -- 7:53AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


How many are taking up the full amount? Again, love the Socialism brother but you're a little light on detail and a bit too obsessed with wanting to punish the many because of the few.As for paying back, I don't disagree. Put the blame firmly on the govt imo, due to their hopeless mishandling and the lengths and frequencies of these closures. But that's another story. But, as I said, I'm not disagreeing about them being paid back. I came here simply to point out that the choice is either use furlough or see thousands of businesses go under and millions join the dole queue. I imagine the hope is that the impact of the furlough scheme will be much shorter than the alternative that could have seen so many thousands of people struggling to ever get a similar job ever again given their age profiles and the knock on effects to failing mortgages, bankruptcies and unpaid debts etc. We'll have to wait and see if it pays off.


100% government to blame.

Offer people free money well above the UC rate to not work they will take it.

Boris and his pals on Sage are clearly to blame.

They should never of forced any business to close. To do so for so long was a horrendous error.

No one should be paid for doing nothing.

People are making more sitting on their sofas for a year than essential workers cleaning hospitals and delivering food.

I dont blame people for taking the money on offer.

The billions wasted on this will mean worse health outcomes for the UK for generations to come.

Hundred of billions to pay back all because Boris refused to allow businesses to remain open.

Report GAZO March 3, 2021 3:15 PM GMT
the people didnt go on furlough the company put them on it,i think
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 3, 2021 3:16 PM GMT
They are service jobs

10% drop in economy, would be much worse if folk
had no cash to live on.
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 3:16 PM GMT
All essentials are working well , yes tea , coffee , electricity , phone , glass of wine
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 3:18 PM GMT
What is it that everyone else does , is there any need for them ?
Report frog1000 March 3, 2021 3:19 PM GMT
none of our competitor countries are robbing their children to keep people in a lavish lifestyle right now.

This makes the government more honest and more balanced in what they do. That is why the bars and gyms etc are open in places like Spain.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 3, 2021 3:21 PM GMT
Pub staff, shop staff, cinema, theatre, zoos, theme parks
Restaurants, barbers, hairdressers, manicurists, bookies
Report ekbalko March 3, 2021 3:26 PM GMT
A lot of people on minimum wage will feel the 20% cut in income.
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 3:28 PM GMT
They are all good things yhtl , but i don’t think they have any bearing on the economy of the country , surprisingly
Report HGS March 3, 2021 3:31 PM GMT
Minimum wage should stay minimum wage. I was thinking more at the higher end.
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 3:35 PM GMT
Imagine if there had been no furlough scheme , and yet the countries economy and therefore by extension people themselves were better off
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 3:37 PM GMT
They might have found themselves unemployed for 6 months , a year perhaps
And then back to work , and the country debt free ( or not in greater debt)
Report GAZO March 3, 2021 3:49 PM GMT
how would the country be debt free ? the debt was record levels before covid which is incredible when we were told 10 years earlier the country was almost bankrupt and after it almost tripled we had a great economy and austerity was over
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 3:59 PM GMT
That’s why I put in brackets not in greater debt
But you’re probably right gazo   , all in all the governments done very well
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- March 3, 2021 4:00 PM GMT
If folk don't spend their wages we are stuffed

Lots of purchase taxes are vital to country.
Report GAZO March 3, 2021 4:04 PM GMT
how is tripling the debt doing well ?
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 4:14 PM GMT
I don’t worry about those sorts of things gazo , as long as we have clean running water and a roof over our heads and food and maybe a nice glass of wine then the gov is doing a good job imo
Report GAZO March 3, 2021 4:17 PM GMT
would you have put the same if labour had been in power ?
Report lfc1971 March 3, 2021 4:21 PM GMT
I can’t vote for the Labour Party ever again unfortunately , after their bad behaviour trying to ignore the British electorate
That’s a mortal sin I’m afraid
Report GAZO March 3, 2021 4:25 PM GMT
i didnt ask if you would vote for them
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