Mar 3, 2021 -- 3:13AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:
Because you can open things up but it doesn't mean people will visit. If the virus is still lurking, plenty of vulnerable people will be a bit reticent and business levels will not be at previous levels. You either have furlough or you have business closures, job losses etc. Government pays either way. At least this way they give businesses room to breathe.
Big difference between giving people £2500 each to giving them universal credit.
It seems a little unfair on those getting UC that other people that will not have worked for 18 months with still be taking £2500 a month off the tax payer.
If the government no longer forces businesses to close surely time is up on the big hand outs?
I suspect this is being extended because there think they will likely be restrictions going into next autumn.
Mar 3, 2021 -- 5:40AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:
So you want to penalise your "lucky few" - ie the day to day workers with kids and bills to pay - and you're using the multimillionaire owners as you're reason. I know Brexit's turned everyone into a Socialist now - and welcome in by the way, the water's lovely - but I think you might just want to take a step back and check on your logic. You're close though. You talk about tax rises, you talk about multimillionaire owners...If there was only a way to make the system fair. Hmm
£2500 a month = £30k a year.
Well above average wage and well above UC.
It will all have to be paid back.
Don't complain when other services have to be cut in future to pay for this.
Mar 3, 2021 -- 7:53AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:
How many are taking up the full amount? Again, love the Socialism brother but you're a little light on detail and a bit too obsessed with wanting to punish the many because of the few.As for paying back, I don't disagree. Put the blame firmly on the govt imo, due to their hopeless mishandling and the lengths and frequencies of these closures. But that's another story. But, as I said, I'm not disagreeing about them being paid back. I came here simply to point out that the choice is either use furlough or see thousands of businesses go under and millions join the dole queue. I imagine the hope is that the impact of the furlough scheme will be much shorter than the alternative that could have seen so many thousands of people struggling to ever get a similar job ever again given their age profiles and the knock on effects to failing mortgages, bankruptcies and unpaid debts etc. We'll have to wait and see if it pays off.
100% government to blame.
Offer people free money well above the UC rate to not work they will take it.
Boris and his pals on Sage are clearly to blame.
They should never of forced any business to close. To do so for so long was a horrendous error.
No one should be paid for doing nothing.
People are making more sitting on their sofas for a year than essential workers cleaning hospitals and delivering food.
I dont blame people for taking the money on offer.
The billions wasted on this will mean worse health outcomes for the UK for generations to come.
Hundred of billions to pay back all because Boris refused to allow businesses to remain open.