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tobermory
23 Feb 21 15:25
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Previously the school houses were named....

Francis Drake
Sir Walter Raleigh
Admiral Nelson

Now.....

Malala Yousafzai
Greta Thunberg
Marcus Rashford
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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 23, 2021 9:25 PM GMT
Hello my darlings would be a great school motto

Drake will be gutted.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 23, 2021 9:27 PM GMT
Drake, real name Charles Springall, was born in London's Elephant and Castle in 1925.

He first went on stage at the age of eight, singing Any Old Iron. After leaving school he did various unskilled jobs, and in the evenings went round working men's clubs with a cockney patter act.

After serving in the RAF in World War II, Drake turned professional, becoming a noted knockabout comedian, and made his first television appearance in the mid-1950s



Wonder what made him want to be a pirate?
Report casemoney February 23, 2021 9:33 PM GMT
Bit harsh there LFC  oppo bench not as bad as it was when Team Corbyn on here were lending full support ,will go down as one of of the worst Front lines in history a very sad representation of the left .
Report lfc1971 February 23, 2021 9:35 PM GMT
Charlie’s preferable anyway , great man
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 23, 2021 9:38 PM GMT
Never got the credit he deserved.
Report casemoney February 23, 2021 9:45 PM GMT
East Yorkshire , should be no problems there with the Selected .
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 24, 2021 5:00 PM GMT
The last public statue of Spain's former dictator, Francisco Franco, was removed from Spanish soil on Tuesday.

Workers took away the statue, which stood on a street in Melilla, a Spanish enclave in Morocco, after the local assembly approved its removal Monday, the local Socialist party (PSOE), which is part of the ruling coalition in the regional government, said on Twitter.

The removal was timed to coincide with the 40th anniversary of an attempted coup by Franco supporters, a government source told CNN.
Report edy February 24, 2021 5:11 PM GMT
Leftists destroying culture and national identity again.
Report edy February 24, 2021 5:13 PM GMT
If you take away the statue of Franco, where does it stop? You are starting on a very slippery slope. Who will the leftists target next?
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 5:14 PM GMT
probably columbus
Report Charlie February 24, 2021 5:40 PM GMT
I (now) think our school houses were quite well named: Britten (Benjamin), Moore (Thomas), Fraser (Simon), Schweitzer (Albert), Toynbee (Arnold), Scott (Robert), Huxley (Thomas) plus another one that I can't remember.
Report edy February 24, 2021 5:44 PM GMT
Is it completely random which house someone becomes associated with in the UK or is there (usually) a sorting hat like in Harry Potter (or some other criteria)?
Report Charlie February 24, 2021 5:46 PM GMT
When I was at school is was random. My elder bother was in a different house.
Report Charlie February 24, 2021 5:50 PM GMT
Kids from the same junior school were allocated randomly as was academic ability and sporting ability (but our house - Britten - did win the Sports Day every year I was there, no thanks to me though)
Report lfc1971 February 24, 2021 5:53 PM GMT
When is Marx’s big fat head going to be removed from Highgate cemetery !
Report edy February 24, 2021 5:54 PM GMT
Ok, thanks.

We don't have this at all over in Germany. Most people will think it's purely a Harry Potter/Hogwarts thing with the houses (as did I for the longest of times).
Report lfc1971 February 24, 2021 5:56 PM GMT
How tolerant Victorian England was, much better than now
Report Charlie February 24, 2021 6:00 PM GMT
I think it was an idea to increase loyalty as there was quite a lot of inter-house rivalry. Kids from different backgrounds were bought together and tended to bond and support those in the same house.
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 6:02 PM GMT
is this just in boarding schools?
Report Charlie February 24, 2021 6:03 PM GMT
Was a Comprehensive.
Report saddo February 24, 2021 6:03 PM GMT
It's about building fraternity edy, the Germans are born with it.
Report edy February 24, 2021 6:06 PM GMT
German schools are quite homogenous. We sort kids after elementary school into three different kind of schools, depending on academic level displayed in the late stages of elementary school. Mostly anyway. There are some select schools where the three school forms are taught together, and you can always apply to switch school level.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 24, 2021 6:07 PM GMT
Red blue green yellow, coquet tweed wansbeck tyne

Random allocation... Red = coquet, blue tweed, etc



High school green red yellow, no names




First school random, second school random but families
were all in same house.


Sports day used houses, but little else.
Report lfc1971 February 24, 2021 6:08 PM GMT
American schools have the same idea , colleges instead of houses
Report Charlie February 24, 2021 6:18 PM GMT
That used to be the system here way back: Comprehensive, Technical and Grammar schools which roughly equates to academic ability - with Grammar schools at the top (so I was at the bottom). But this used to be based on 11+ exam results which were faded out. Some people could take the 11+ exam and go to a Comprehensive and some could go to a Comprehensive without taking the 11+. I didn't see the point of taking the 11+ but when I got there I realised the point because those who passed the 11+ were in the top sets. I was about half-way in term of assessed ability and had to work reasonably hard to get into the top sets. Tge one think I do remember is that those in the top sets took Latin and I never got to.
Report Charlie February 24, 2021 6:23 PM GMT
The sets were, in decreasing order of merit, 1, 2a, 2b, 3a, 3b, d, e, f and forget where it ended. I got to 2a but couldn't get to 1 because I hadn't taken Latin.
Report saddo February 24, 2021 6:29 PM GMT
I've seen films about American 'frat houses' lfc. Most unsavoury.
Report boxingthefox February 24, 2021 6:32 PM GMT

Feb 24, 2021 -- 11:53AM, lfc1971 wrote:


When is Marx’s big fat head going to be removed from Highgate cemetery !


Laugh Nice one. Wink

Report moisok February 24, 2021 9:05 PM GMT
I bet they don't know what orwell's 1984 is all about even though he may have been considered a left wing darling at one time

let's just rid ourselves of any history    and implement a foreign take over

china already owns a fair bit but will be interesting when the CCP clashes with the winged horseman's lot
Report moisok February 24, 2021 9:06 PM GMT
ps  that swansea team are something else   - well worth a bet when at home
Report edy February 24, 2021 9:59 PM GMT
Statues and school house names don't define a country's history, nor does the renaming of houses or derection of statues delete a country's history.
Report moisok February 24, 2021 10:07 PM GMT
how do you know?  look at the times your history has changed for the bad  - and is it a trait of your lot  - now they are at it in the eu leading into the east  - only been done a couple of times and it was a mistake - latest was to sponsor nazi organizations to achieve it

amazing scenes
Report edy February 24, 2021 10:11 PM GMT
Not many statues or houses/schools named after Nazis to glorify them. All torn down or renamed.

Very few people would claim we deleted our history regarding the Nazis.
Report edy February 24, 2021 10:14 PM GMT
Similarly, if you rename the houses from junior schools from Admiral Nelson, his wonderful efforts to save the British Empire from evildoers will still gloriously be taught in schools.
Report edy February 24, 2021 10:16 PM GMT
It's good to create some diversity in national heroes too. Not everybody can be a pirate. You must put up other idols besides Francis Drake. Some people are destined to be inspired by the efforts of Malala Yousafzai instead of by the efforts of war and burglary that are otherwise glorified heavily.
Report boxingthefox February 24, 2021 10:33 PM GMT
You have to know your history to fully understand your present and gauge the societal  changes that have brought us to this point. Denying the past and trying to 'air brush it' in the present is destructive on many levels.

People who would try to tear down the past deny future generations their heritage and the means to understand how fragile society can be. The vacuum that denial causes is then more easily exploited by extremists.
Report saddo February 24, 2021 10:53 PM GMT
Do the Spanish still beat themselves up over the elimination of the Incas?
Report edy February 24, 2021 11:11 PM GMT

Feb 24, 2021 -- 4:33PM, boxingthefox wrote:


You have to know your history to fully understand your present and gauge the societal

Report edy February 24, 2021 11:13 PM GMT
I'd argue the glorification and romanticisation of one's history through statues and house names without a real differentiated look at it is exactly what you argue against - it is the airbrushing of one's history.

You simply do not teach history through statues. You teach history through books and of course BBC documentaries. Statues are there for glorification and romanticisation and air brushing.
Report edy February 24, 2021 11:18 PM GMT
I mean, the Spaniards aren't going to forget Franco, are they? Just like Germans ain't going to forget Hitler. Or just like the Italians ain't going to forget Mussolini just because they don't have a statue of him in every town centre anymore.
Report lfc1971 February 24, 2021 11:34 PM GMT
China offered to donate a 20ft statue of Karl Marx to the German city of Trier for his 200th anniversary in 2018
The city council decided to accept the gift
Report edy February 24, 2021 11:38 PM GMT
That's very nice of them. Marx is an integral part of German history and we are very proud.
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 11:39 PM GMT
"You teach history through books and of course BBC documentaries"

well that's certainly one version of history
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 11:40 PM GMT
nice big statue of him in Chemnitz which, coincidentally, is edy's home town

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx_Monument
Report lfc1971 February 24, 2021 11:41 PM GMT
“ Yes we stand by this child of our city . And we deal with Karl Marx in a constructive and active way “
said Malu Dreyer premier of the state of Rhineland Palatinate
We are glad to receive this present , this gesture of friendship ‘
Report edy February 24, 2021 11:44 PM GMT
Chemnitz used to be called Karl-Marx-Stadt. Fascinating, isn't it?
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 11:45 PM GMT
(east) Berlin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx-Engels-Forum
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 11:45 PM GMT
who is your favourit edy, Marx or Engels?
Report lfc1971 February 24, 2021 11:52 PM GMT
“We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you
When our turn comes we shall make no excuses for the terror “ - Karl Marx
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 11:54 PM GMT
lol
Report edy February 24, 2021 11:55 PM GMT
That's like asking me to choose between stracciatella ice cream and pistachio gelato.
Report Giuseppe February 24, 2021 11:58 PM GMT
how about stalin and mao?
Report edy February 24, 2021 11:59 PM GMT
That's like asking me to choose between jellied eel and Kaiserschmarrn.
Report Giuseppe February 25, 2021 12:00 AM GMT
ho chi minh and pol pot?
Report edy February 25, 2021 12:07 AM GMT
Like asking if I like Giuseppe or moisok more.
Report Giuseppe February 25, 2021 12:08 AM GMT
that shouldn't be a tough thing to decide
Report edy February 25, 2021 12:11 AM GMT
Toughest choice of them all.
Report Giuseppe February 25, 2021 12:14 AM GMT
Sad
Report lfc1971 February 25, 2021 8:39 AM GMT
Just looked up who Malala Yousafzai is , she’s a very brave young person and an inspiration to everyone , good choice , she deserves it she’s wonderful.
Report boxingthefox February 25, 2021 11:47 AM GMT

Feb 24, 2021 -- 5:13PM, edy wrote:


I'd argue the glorification and romanticisation of one's history through statues and house names without a real differentiated look at it is exactly what you argue against - it is the airbrushing of one's history.You simply do not teach history through statues. You teach history through books and of course BBC documentaries. Statues are there for glorification and romanticisation and air brushing.


You missed the point by miles as usual.

"I'd argue the glorification and romanticisation of one's history through statues and house names without a real differentiated look at it is exactly what you argue against - it is the airbrushing of one's history". ....WHERE EXACTLY DID I SAY ANYTHING OF THE SORT?.

You live on here 24/7 god alone knows what ****-eyed groups you associate with. A legend in your own mind, who is an expert on everything.

Ger some help for your narcissistic personality disorder. Give up your membership of 'Contrarians are us' at the same time.

Don't bother responding, debate with someone who replys with  2,3,4,5, or more posts in rapid succession without a gasp for air is obviously deranged. You just get on with it old chap.

I won't be bothering with you again. HTH.

Report edy February 25, 2021 12:07 PM GMT
Plain What's with the sudden rage attack?

Interesting that I am a total conformist sheep to some, but apparently also a member of "Contrarians are us" at the same time.

You argued that the derection of statues and renaming houses is like denying the past and airbrushing history in the present. It really isn't. History isn't defined and taught through statues and house names.
Report edy February 25, 2021 12:24 PM GMT
For a brief second I wondered if you were serious instead of just joking and bantering around. If I didn't know that I am universally adored, including by you juding from our past correspondence, you would've really worried me.
Report moisok February 25, 2021 9:04 PM GMT
the eu is edy's god  - just for starters  - his own country destroying villages in the pursuit of coal which they burn lots of  - seems never to be mentioned much in the wider political and media spectrums
Report moisok February 25, 2021 9:05 PM GMT
ps edy's  germany would love to eradicate  history   and wouldn't you after what they did
Report edy February 25, 2021 9:10 PM GMT
Germany must be pretty damn awesome if you always have to repeat the same 1-2 points ad nauseam for months at a time.
Report saddo February 25, 2021 9:20 PM GMT
Yes, he should mention fiddling the fuel consumption figures on their cars.
Report edy February 25, 2021 9:24 PM GMT
Exactly! Switch it up instead of being a bore that always repeats himself over and over. Put some work in it. Show that you've spent time and effort digging up dirt instead of this ridiculously half-arsed effort.
Report moisok February 25, 2021 9:33 PM GMT
but, then he would be interested in destroying our culture/history  -  they have tried several times already - it is  a cultural and military ambition for them and always has been  - now edy's  lot lead the eu's invasion eastwards still
Report edy February 25, 2021 9:42 PM GMT
You've used that one before too. Can't you come up with some new material, please?
Report Foinavon February 25, 2021 9:56 PM GMT
I'm just upset they didn't name one of the houses after Camila Batmanghelidjh. Sad
Report Foinavon February 25, 2021 9:58 PM GMT
Moisok, did you mention poisoning babies with the fumes from their diesel cars?
Report moisok February 25, 2021 9:58 PM GMT
foinavon  that is a very naughty thought  - it is the Isle of Man re-edukashone camp for ewe  -  we have ways etc
Report moisok February 25, 2021 10:00 PM GMT
that is good from edy's eussr bunker  -  'you've used that one before'    so did your fuhrers several times  ho ho
Report Foinavon February 25, 2021 10:02 PM GMT
I've already been reedumacated into modern progressive radicalism. I thought that would get me liked by the younger generation.
Report edy February 25, 2021 10:04 PM GMT

Feb 25, 2021 -- 3:56PM, Foinavon wrote:


I'm just upset they didn't name one of the houses after Camila Batmanghelidjh.


Who?

Report moisok February 25, 2021 10:04 PM GMT
I am sure you will look very pretty.
Report Foinavon February 25, 2021 10:07 PM GMT
She was Cameroon's pet project until there were questions over the way funds were being allocated. You can google her edy.
Report edy February 25, 2021 10:13 PM GMT
I had googled her. I was more trying to express that it will not earn you many points with the young radical progressives to use someone who hasn't been hip in almost 6 years! Six years, man. That's a lifetime. Ain't nobody knowing her no more.
Report edy February 25, 2021 10:15 PM GMT
And just throwing random fancy sounding names out there doesn't cut it I think.

....Or does it..?

Tessah Andrianjafitrimo
Kaheaokaleonahenahemaikalani Companion
Report edy February 25, 2021 10:16 PM GMT
And one for the giggly girls among you

Nungnadda Wannasuk
Report Foinavon February 25, 2021 10:24 PM GMT
I like that one, she is getting on a bit though.
Report Foinavon February 25, 2021 10:33 PM GMT
Since the school is in Yorkshire they could name one of the houses Drax after the power station which is aiming to go carbon negative by 2030. It would go well with Greta.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 25, 2021 10:46 PM GMT
Good tie in to Dracula there, an early illegal
that landed in whitby, Norf yorks.

Didn't end well.
Report Foinavon February 25, 2021 10:53 PM GMT
You don't want to frighten the little dears.
Rommel was the first General to go green in the age of mechanised warfare when his tanks ran out of petrol in the desert. He's a good candidate.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 25, 2021 11:06 PM GMT
The little deers enjoy that stuff, horrible histories,
fungus the bogey man, rentaghost, etc etc...
Report lfc1971 February 25, 2021 11:50 PM GMT
Please keep the schools closed , they pick their noses and do not wash their hands superspreaders of covid
It’s just the way it is
Report lovegod February 26, 2021 8:02 AM GMT
My old school, left in 1972, had six houses:-
(Robert) Browning
(Francis) Drake
(William) Harvey
(Isaac) Newton
(Joshua) Reynolds
(Ernest) Shackleton.

Heard a few years ago they had dropped Browning and Newton (my house).

They've now renamed the remaining houses:-

Drake is now Ofusu-Asare House an ex pupil who got knifed to death.
Harvey is now Turing House, the codebreaker.
Reynolds is now Park House, the woman on the bus.
Shackleton is now Tull House, first black officer to lead white soldiers in WW1.
Report lfc1971 February 26, 2021 8:32 AM GMT
The evolution of England , will we ever produce someone as great as Newton again ?
Report Giuseppe February 26, 2021 12:05 PM GMT
Turing House, the codebreaker.

Turing was gay and was chemically castrated

he may ahve been a brilliant mathematician, but he's famous as much for that as he is for his code work
Report lovegod February 26, 2021 12:45 PM GMT
True but didn't want to be controversial.
Report HGS February 26, 2021 12:47 PM GMT
My middle school had 4 'teams' for sports day etc. I was in Luke. Can only remember 2 of the others, Barnabus and Timothy. Bible related??
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk February 26, 2021 12:51 PM GMT
Think they were characters in sitcom "Sorry"
Report HGS February 26, 2021 1:09 PM GMT
Laugh
Report moisok February 26, 2021 5:43 PM GMT
England.  Going!  Going!    GONE!!!
Report flat16 February 26, 2021 6:57 PM GMT
The thing that puzzles me most is that the London academics + BLM + socialists etc will legally be able to remove for example ,Nelsons Column ,then rename Trafalgar Square (screwing Monopoly) but surely they must realise how divisive this is ,or is this their aim.
Report moisok February 26, 2021 7:45 PM GMT
yes exactly   they wish do disrupt and destroy our society as it is  - check out blm  sites and Xr sites
Report moisok February 26, 2021 7:45 PM GMT
they wish to etc
Report edy February 26, 2021 7:52 PM GMT
It might not be as applicable towards the UK, buf if we look at the USA: Having statues of confederates around, most of which were erected whenever there was a bit of a civil rights movement to spite black people, ain't exactly the most inclusive stance either.
Report edy February 26, 2021 7:56 PM GMT
and a lot of the culture war thing is created and/or at least exaggerated by the anglospheric right too. This thread being a perfect example. A junior school decided to not use the names of a bunch of war figures for its houses anymore.

I further present Dan Hodges from late last night

(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
·
23h
The same people who say “let’s make Mr Potato head gender neutral” then sit there and say with genuine bemusement “how did we end up with President Trump”.


https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1365034102286675972

I present on of the answers towards him (with pictures):

Kaya Burgess
@kayaburgess
Replying to
@DPJHodges
Might it be because the coverage is misleading? Mr and Mrs Potato Head will *remain* Mr and Mrs Potato Head.

It's the overall brand/logo that is becoming just plain "Potato Head".

https://twitter.com/kayaburgess/status/1365217821928656898
Report Charlie February 26, 2021 8:02 PM GMT
I'm very proud of our little country/nation and what she has achieved but in a lot of cases I'm not proud of how we achieved it.
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