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Escapee
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Anyone playing this market?

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.177967477

If a Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump does not formally begin before the end of 2021 then all bets are void. A majority of two thirds of US Senators present voting in favour is required for a successful conviction. The market will be settled on "Yes" if Donald Trump is convicted on at least one article of impeachment. No will be settled as a winner if an impeachment Senate trial is formally started and (i) the required two-third majority is not reached on at least one article of impeachment; (ii) the Senate votes to dismiss the charges or (iii) the Senate trial concludes without the President having been convicted on at least one article of impeachment for some other reason.
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Report edy February 14, 2021 12:59 PM GMT
Though not always made accountable for soiling and destroying the right-wing. See impeachment.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 14, 2021 1:08 PM GMT
The dems used the ‘would this have happened were it not for Trump’ line too. Their case was built around this sort of tabloid spin rather than solid legal principles.

The question is irrelevant because answering no doesnt prove any wrong doing, let alone law breaking or oath breaking.
Report politicspunter February 14, 2021 1:09 PM GMT
Trump 'did not emerge unscathed'

At its most basic level, this is a win for the former president. He is still eligible to run for president again in 2024, if he so chooses. His base, by all indications, is still largely intact. Both in the House of Representatives and in the Senate, most Republican officeholders opposed the impeachment proceedings. Those who broke ranks are already facing ferocious criticism and, in some cases, formal reprimands from their Republican constituents.

Trump did not emerge from this impeachment trial unscathed, however. One of the most memorable portions of the prosecution case by the impeachment managers were the new videos of Trump's supporters, wearing Make America Great Again hats and waving Trump flags, ransacking the Capitol.

Those images will forever be associated with the Trump brand. Every rally he holds from here on will evoke memories of that riot. It may not cost him among the Republican rank and file, but independent voters - and moderates - are unlikely to forget.

From the bbc.
Report lfc1971 February 14, 2021 1:10 PM GMT
If only Trump had stood down a year ago , maybe citing health reasons as an excuse, whatever, allowing pence to take over
and went to play golf . Wouldn’t he have been so much happier and could now be enjoying his retirement ?
maybe a little life lesson for us all
Report politicspunter February 14, 2021 1:10 PM GMT
Responding to the acquittal, President Biden said: "While the final vote did not lead to a conviction, the substance of the charge is not in dispute.

"This sad chapter in our history has reminded us that democracy is fragile. That it must always be defended. That we must be ever vigilant. That violence and extremism has no place in America. And that each of us has a duty and responsibility as Americans, and especially as leaders, to defend the truth and to defeat the lies."
Report lfc1971 February 14, 2021 1:14 PM GMT
In any job never make yourself indespensible , always ensure that you are dispensable
Life is good that way
Report lfc1971 February 14, 2021 1:17 PM GMT
I think John Major went to watch cricket on his first day after he was booted out
Report Magic__Daps February 14, 2021 1:27 PM GMT
That violence and extremism has no place in America. And that each of us has a duty and responsibility as Americans, and especially as leaders, to defend the truth and to defeat the lies."


Well done Joe, no doubt we can all remember your hard hitting words and actions against the rioters that have caused heartache in America to to millions of Americans (and still are), killing 29 people, we also cannot forget the condemnation of those same rioters from Pelosi and Kamala....

Hypocrisy much....
Report politicspunter February 14, 2021 1:31 PM GMT
We can all only hope that Trump returns to front line politics because he is a licence to print money for political bettors.
Report edy February 14, 2021 1:45 PM GMT

Feb 14, 2021 -- 7:08AM, Pleasegivemeanailedontip wrote:


The dems used the ‘would this have happened were it not for Trump’ line too. Their case was built around this sort of tabloid spin rather than solid legal principles.The question is irrelevant because answering no doesnt prove any wrong doing, let alone law breaking or oath breaking.


Mitch sounded like he agreed with the assumption that Trump caused it.Happy

Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 14, 2021 1:56 PM GMT
Mitch thinks he caused it, some others think he didnt. Whether it would have happened without him isnt the same question though
Report A_T February 14, 2021 2:14 PM GMT
Why would the media have to edit stuff to make out something happened which never actually happened?
Why does the media print stuff that actually hasn't been said?


you'll need to provide examples


Do you honestly think the media has been fair and balanced or lied/embellished/edited to suit their own narrative?


They've been fair and balanced.

Why do certain actors/celebs get cancelled for simply having a different political view, yet outspoken Biden supporters are left to carry on?

they are banned for breaching the products T&Cs


Why is Trump racist, he's been called it by the same media outlets for years?

because he's consistently played the white identity card - the KKK and similar types love him

Why hardly any coverage of the BLM/Antifa riots?#

they were all over the media
Report A_T February 14, 2021 2:15 PM GMT
Magic_Daps do you think Biden won due to voter fraud?
Report sofiakenny February 14, 2021 2:27 PM GMT
Trump loaded the gun Trump aimed the gun and Trump FIRED the gun..imo he's a murdering pos.
Report lfc1971 February 14, 2021 3:11 PM GMT
No preaching from leftists or anyone who supports the Scottish or Irish independence please ,  thankyou
Report Magic__Daps February 14, 2021 3:34 PM GMT
A_T14 Feb 21 15:14
Why would the media have to edit stuff to make out something happened which never actually happened?
Why does the media print stuff that actually hasn't been said?

Telling people to drink bleach - didn't happen, telling a Governor to cheat to get him votes - didn't happen, the word "fight" used multiple times in his speech was to incite a riot - watch/read the speech, reporters saying he has never denounced racists - he's been doing that for years, the manipulating video/speeches that does not show the whole picture (trial just showed that), how many times has the media called his supporters racists or bigots. There will be plenty of other examples.

Up to you if you think the media or fair and balanced (expect the Guardian and CNN has iyo), I do not see any of his success on the news over here and if they are it is a tiny segment. You probably cannot admit he has had any at all, but there have been many. How much coverage to what he achieved in Israel? Reform of the criminal justice system with more early release programs and opportunities, employment record, tax cuts and economy was booming, China, Platinum plan, defeating ISIS (I guess that is a nearly as they are probably operating).

Probably a lot more successes too, and also not to forget there are huge failures - we all know them because the fair and balanced non biased media report them.


Lastly - do I think Biden won due to voter fraud? No. I would say that I 100% think there was fraud, and there probably is in every single election in every single country in the World. Was there enough to change the election result here, no chance. But the bit I do not understand is after all of this "election was stolen", why didn't they just do recounts/verifications with people from both sides verifying the numbers? If there is minimal numbers which is probable, then the media has a field day, the Democrats have a field day, and it is goodbye forever to Trump with his tail between his legs after having made himself look ridiculous, and the Republicans then need a new leader. All nipped in the bud in a week.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the scale of any fraud, there did seem to be numerous videos, affidavits, more votes than people in the states etc. So why not just clear it all up if it a very small amount and get rid of him for good, once and for all. That to me is baffling, as others who are adamant that it was widespread fraud will always think it was widespread and a cover up. Why they wouldn't want to stop all the "lies" is beyond me. Maybe they want to keep him there to deflect to him when their policies go wrong, I've no doubt we will hear "it's Trumps fault" for the next 4 years.
Report A_T February 14, 2021 3:44 PM GMT
why didn't they just do recounts/verifications with people from both sides verifying the numbers?

they did recounts and verifications - you're just making excuses for those who claimed mass fraud and continue to do so
Report edy February 14, 2021 3:47 PM GMT
Probably a lot more successes too, and also not to forget there are huge failures - we all know them because the fair and balanced non biased media report them.

Who?
Report edy February 14, 2021 3:51 PM GMT
But the bit I do not understand is after all of this "election was stolen", why didn't they just do recounts/verifications with people from both sides verifying the numbers? If there is minimal numbers which is probable, then the media has a field day, the Democrats have a field day

We all had a field day when Trump paid $3 million for two recounts in Michigan and it gained Biden 87 votes.
Report edy February 14, 2021 3:52 PM GMT
Though I do feel a bit bad about the poor souls that Trump grifted from first to pay for it.
Report edy February 14, 2021 3:54 PM GMT
And quite obviously it did not result Trump running away forever with his tails between his legs. The Michigan recounts that Trump paid for was still in November.

He instead turned up the ante on his grift.
Report A_T February 14, 2021 3:58 PM GMT
they could have had a dozen recounts and Trump would still have cried foul. and why need recounts anyway there was never any evidence of fraud.
Report A_T February 14, 2021 3:59 PM GMT
it is goodbye forever to Trump with his tail between his legs after having made himself look ridiculous

well he managed that anyway. he was never going to admit he lost fairly and he never will - and neither will his base ever admit it
Report Magic__Daps February 14, 2021 4:38 PM GMT
A_T - Ok we agree to disagree on that part then. The people who did sworn affidavits were all telling porkies. There were no dead people that voted at all, and there were no ballots signed for by any other people bar themselves. Job done. Agreed.


At least you agree on Trumps successes and the media lies, as you have avoided those parts completely. He has many, many flaws, but he has had some excellent successes for America, but the media and the left just cannot bring themselves to even give him any credit when it is deserved. They just wait for the next controversial thing he says, and if need be, to suit the narrative they twist or edit it, and churn it out to the public via the non biased and balanced media and hope they fall for it.

We can now all watch the Biden/Harris show, and watch the "circle back" Psaki answering questions about the administration and policies for the next few months (comedy gold she is), and no doubt the unhinged Pelosi coming out with some more bitter, hateful nonsense.


Will leave it there, as it is obvious you cannot even bring yourself to admit some of his successes or any of the media lies against him - maybe you just fell for them I don't know.
Report sofiakenny February 14, 2021 4:43 PM GMT
If Nancy is unhinged I fear to think what the"Donald" is.
Report A_T February 14, 2021 5:10 PM GMT
The people who did sworn affidavits were all telling porkies

this "evidence" was never produced in court despite 60 opportunities


There were no dead people that voted at all,


one guy in Pennsylvania cast a ballot for Trump using his dead mother's vote - I think he might be in jail now

there were no ballots signed for by any other people bar themselves

no doubt there were but despite 60 oppoortunities this was never presented in court

[b]he has had some excellent successes for America/b]

truly dreadful handling of the COVID crisis, record unemployment, coal mining and heavy industry which he promise to rejuvenate continued to decline, Israel? a couple of peace deals with UAE and Bahrain with whom Israel was never at war with

you keep going on about the media lies - but it seems that is them syaing what you don't want to hear - you're a Trump groupie
Report politicspunter February 14, 2021 5:42 PM GMT
They had three recounts in Georgia, one of them a full State recount by hand. They simply verified that Biden had won. It didn't stop Trump phoning and threatening the Georgia Secretary of State to find him the required number of votes so that he could win instead. They also recounted votes in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin with exactly the same result.
Report potlis February 14, 2021 5:57 PM GMT
The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) is set to hear a number of high-profile election fraud cases.

The SCOTUS is now scheduled to consider the voter fraud cases for Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Georgia on February 19, 2021.


Justices will hear the cases that allege widespread fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

Among those to be heard are Republican Rep. Mike Kelly's Pennsylvania election case, pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell's Michigan election case, and attorney Lin Wood's Georgia election case.

BREAKING: The United States Supreme Court has scheduled the Pennsylvania election case, Sidney Powell's Michigan election case, and Lin Wood's Georgia election case for its February 19 conference
neonnettle.com
SCOTUS to Hear Election Fraud Cases for Pennsylvania, Michigan & Georgia
Supreme Court schedules cases from Sidney Powell, Rep. Mike Kelly & Lin Wood - The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) is set to hear a number of high-profile... | NEON NETTLE
neonnettle.com neonnettle.com

CASE NO. 20-815 IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES TIMOTHY KING, MARIAN ELLEN SHERIDAN, JOHN EARL HAGGARD, CHARLES JAMES RITCHARD, JAMES DAVID HOOPER and DAREN WADE RUBINGH, Plaintiffs/Petitioners, v. GRETCHEN WHITMER, in her official capacity as Governor of the State of Michigan, JOCELYN BENSON, in her official capacity as Michigan Secretary of State and the Michigan BOARD OF STATE CANVASSERS

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-815/164119/20201218094817656_SCOTUS.FINAL..GA.MI.Motion%20for%20Expedited%20Consideration.pdf

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Could get interesting
Report A_T February 14, 2021 6:25 PM GMT
the SCOTUS won't be hearing these cases they will be throwing them out
Report A_T February 22, 2021 5:17 PM GMT
as predicted thrown out by the Supreme Court

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-rejects-appeals-republicans-trump-contested-2020/story?id=76043982

also more bad news for Donnie:

The Supreme Court on Monday rebuffed a bid by former President Trump to shield his tax returns and other financial records from a New York grand jury subpoena.

The justices issued the order in the long-running dispute between Trump and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. (D) without comment or noted dissents.

“The work continues,” Vance tweeted in response.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/539840-supreme-court-declines-to-shield-trumps-tax-returns-from-manhattan
Report dave1357 February 22, 2021 5:46 PM GMT
The most intriguing one of these cases is the E Jean Carrol case.  The justice dept will almost definitely withdraw from its idiotic claim that the defamation was part of his official duty.  So trump will face having to give a dna sample and a deposition under oath.  So if he lies under oath and the dna test is positive, he not only faces perjury charges but huge damages.  Carrol won't settle unless he states she isn't a liar which means he admits rape.  He might even try to settle by saying they did have sex but it was consensual.

She might be bluffing about the dna, but its a huge risk for him to take.
Report A_T February 23, 2021 3:03 PM GMT
Trump may soon have to answer rape allegations under oath

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-carroll-idUKKBN2AN0ZF
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 23, 2021 3:08 PM GMT
He had a bad week in many courts,

Still many outs, but the net is closing in.
Report dave1357 February 23, 2021 3:10 PM GMT
interesting - so there is def dna on the e jean carroll dress - the popcorn factory will be on extra shifts.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 23, 2021 3:18 PM GMT
INBOX from @sendavidperdue: "After much prayer and reflection, Bonnie and I have decided that we will not enter the race for the United States Senate in Georgia in 2022." #GASEN
Report politicspunter February 23, 2021 3:23 PM GMT
Perdue has realised that suppressing the vote in Georgia has caught up with the GOP. In a deeply divided Republican Party, his chances of victory would be slim at best.
Report A_T February 23, 2021 3:28 PM GMT
no doubt it was those prayers that made all the difference
Report Whisperingdeath February 23, 2021 3:30 PM GMT
The case will be about slander not rape but Chump has bigger problems than sexual assault cases, which, will be difficult to prove although the slander cases may not. Once they have his accounts they will I am sure find plenty. That is why he was looking for an Epstein type deal that excluded his family from future prosecution.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 23, 2021 7:13 PM GMT
Rudy tried to duck process servers for a week, enlisting his doorman to block them, reports the Daily News. Includes amusing cinematic scene of Rudy trying to close a car door to flee and the papers getting caught in the door. 


A man four (all) seasons....
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- February 23, 2021 7:14 PM GMT
“The process server saw a maintenance worker throw the bag of legal documents in a trash can on the street. They retrieved the legal documents and continued pursuing Giuliani.”

Lol
Report Whisperingdeath February 23, 2021 7:34 PM GMT
What I find interesting is the jail birds Chump released cannot now use the 5th. Would they risk a prison sentence to defend their man?
Report A_T February 24, 2021 8:28 AM GMT
https://us.cnn.com/2021/02/23/politics/trump-pence-congress/index.html

Pence has the man no pride at all?
Report A_T February 24, 2021 8:29 AM GMT
"He spoke very favorably about his relationship with President Trump," Banks told CNN. "I got the sense they speak often and maintain the same personal friendship and relationship now that they have for four years."

Laugh
Report edy February 24, 2021 11:33 AM GMT
Trumpists are totals simps.
Report Whisperingdeath February 24, 2021 12:42 PM GMT
Fredo is in the frame for fraud!
Report potlis February 25, 2021 9:27 AM GMT
^^^  lol.

TDS.....”Trump Derangement Syndrome”

Gone, but still owns them.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 11:55 AM GMT
So are we any closer to the consequences of this impeachment yet now that the dust is settling?

Are the GOP on the brink of breaking up? Are they all having sleepless nights about finding Trump not guilty? Or is all this still quietly bubbling away and will manifest in due course?

Or was it all just a massive waste of time?
Report edy February 25, 2021 12:00 PM GMT
Is TDS worse than people still chanting about Hillary at Trump rallies four years after the elections?
Report A_T February 25, 2021 12:10 PM GMT
potlis how did it go in the SCOTUS last week did it "get interesting"?
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:15 PM GMT

Feb 25, 2021 -- 5:55AM, Pleasegivemeanailedontip wrote:


So are we any closer to the consequences of this impeachment yet now that the dust is settling?Are the GOP on the brink of breaking up? Are they all having sleepless nights about finding Trump not guilty? Or is all this still quietly bubbling away and will manifest in due course?Or was it all just a massive waste of time?


A majority did find Trump guilty including Republican Senators.

Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:15 PM GMT

Feb 25, 2021 -- 6:10AM, A_T wrote:


potlis how did it go in the SCOTUS last week did it "get interesting"?


Laugh

Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 12:26 PM GMT
A majority did find Trump guilty including Republican Senators.

Sounds serious. What are the consequences of that?
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:28 PM GMT
The main consequence is that the GOP is hopelessly split.
Report potlis February 25, 2021 12:32 PM GMT
Have they locked him up yet ?  LaughLaugh
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 12:33 PM GMT
A split without hope? My god. Have they started disbanding the party or are they ploughing on with this futility?
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:34 PM GMT
There is always hope but divided parties don't win elections.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:36 PM GMT
The serious cracks in the party appeared in the summer of 2019 in opinion polls when Presidential voting intention indicated that independents and moderates were splitting 2 to 1 for any Democrat. In the USA, you can't win elections with those figures.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 12:38 PM GMT
So the consequences of the impeachment are that the 2 to1 will become even more in the democrats favour at the next election right?
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:39 PM GMT
No.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:41 PM GMT
The GOP have to somehow appeal to those independents and moderates in order to get their votes back.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 12:44 PM GMT
The consequences of the impeachment are that the democrats will maintain the 2 to 1 advantage right?

The failed impeachment i should say.
Report edy February 25, 2021 12:46 PM GMT

Feb 25, 2021 -- 6:34AM, politicspunter wrote:


There is always hope but divided parties don't win elections.


They are doing everything in their controlled states to undo past mistakes of giving people access to voting.

Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 12:48 PM GMT
The impeachment doesn't really have a dramatic effect on USA voters. A big chunk will always vote for a candidate like Trump (say 40%). A bigger chunk (say 45%) will always vote against a candidate like Trump. It's the 15% Others you need to win.
Report A_T February 25, 2021 2:06 PM GMT
What are the consequences of that?

The consequences are exactly what the Dems intended - the GOP were forced to back a very unpopular ex-president whi has just been well beaten in a general election - and now they're going to have to back him for the next one - with the same outcome.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 2:13 PM GMT
So impeaching Trump so that he couldnt run for office again was actually a red herring. The dems want Trump up again so they actually wanted Trump to be found not guilty so he could run again.

Which explains the intentionally sh1t case they made against him! This is all starting to make sense
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 2:14 PM GMT
Demographics are moving against the GOP in key states and have been over a number of years. Georgia, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oregon, North and South Carolina, Missouri etc have all gradually moved away from them and continue to do so.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 2:15 PM GMT

Feb 25, 2021 -- 8:13AM, Pleasegivemeanailedontip wrote:


So impeaching Trump so that he couldnt run for office again was actually a red herring. The dems want Trump up again so they actually wanted Trump to be found not guilty so he could run again.Which explains the intentionally sh1t case they made against him! This is all starting to make sense


I personally would be delighted if Trump ran again.

Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 2:17 PM GMT
As would the Cunard booking rep.
Report Whisperingdeath February 25, 2021 2:42 PM GMT
I would like Chump to run again too but he may be in jail!
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 2:51 PM GMT
Which would be a disaster for the democrats right? If Trump ends up in jail then that whole impeachment pin a party to the donald borrocks was all for nothing
Report A_T February 25, 2021 2:54 PM GMT
So impeaching Trump so that he couldnt run for office again was actually a red herring.

Essentially yes. The Dems know they weren't going to convict him - but they could force the GOP into taking ownership of Trump.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 2:56 PM GMT
Hold on. Trump was never going to jail via the impeachment. He might go to jail in the future as a normal citizen.
Report A_T February 25, 2021 2:58 PM GMT
Trump will certainly be announcing he intends to run for the 2024 nomination - he hopes that this will help him paint any legal action against him as politically motivated.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 2:59 PM GMT
No but if he was impeached he couldnt run for office. And if hes in jail he cant run for office. Neither of which the democrats seem to want.
Report A_T February 25, 2021 3:00 PM GMT
on that subject

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/25/trump-tax-returns-in-hands-of-manhattan-district-attorney.html
Report A_T February 25, 2021 3:01 PM GMT
Neither of which the democrats seem to want.

They don't care - their goal is to create maximum embarrassment for the GOP - Trump is a gift from heaven in that regard.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 3:04 PM GMT

Feb 25, 2021 -- 8:59AM, Pleasegivemeanailedontip wrote:


No but if he was impeached he couldnt run for office. And if hes in jail he cant run for office. Neither of which the democrats seem to want.


If he was impeached he could still run for office. I further vote would have been required to stop him running for President again. If he is in jail, Trump could still run for office.

Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 3:15 PM GMT
They don't care - their goal is to create maximum embarrassment for the GOP - Trump is a gift from heaven in that regard.

So the outcomes of impeachments and trials are pretty irrelevant to democrats, they just want the sh1t cannon firing on all cylinders. If there is enough to sink him then great but the optimum is that he gets covered head to toe, survives (albeit smelling like ass), the GOP support him and send the biggest of all possible turd sandwiches into 2024.

What can the republicans do to stop this if anything?
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 3:29 PM GMT
I don't know, they may already have lost the 2024 election.
Report A_T February 25, 2021 3:46 PM GMT
What can the republicans do to stop this if anything?

They're pretty much screwed. For now they have to stick with Trump because if he doesn't get his way he'll take his base away splitting the GOP. This WSJ article sums it up quite well:

"Mr. Trump may run again, but he won’t win another national election. He lost re-election before the events of Jan. 6, and as President his job approval never rose above 50%. He may go on a revenge campaign tour, or run as a third-party candidate, but all he will accomplish is to divide the center-right and elect Democrats. The GOP’s defeats in the two Jan. 5 Georgia Senate races proved that.

The country is moving past the Trump Presidency, and the GOP will remain in the wilderness until it does too."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-non-vindication-11613342554?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 3:48 PM GMT
That's a fair and accurate summary.
Report dave1357 February 25, 2021 4:53 PM GMT
Pleasegivemeanailedontip • February 25, 2021 2:59 PM GMT
No but if he was impeached he couldnt run for office. And if hes in jail he cant run for office. Neither of which the democrats seem to want.


As we have been through several times, if the dems had wanted an impeachment conviction they would simply have voted for a secret ballot.  They want to divide the GOP and as trumps legal woes and accounts of incompetence and corruption in office trickle out over the year this division will deepen.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 6:11 PM GMT
Yes, like i said afterwards, a sh1t cannon. They want him to be trialled and impeached and sued and accused but they dont want him to actually be found guilty of anything that would stop him running in 2024 and unite the GOP around someone else.

These are the good guys right
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 6:15 PM GMT
Well, if you mean by the good guys, folks that nearly got killed apart from the ones who did, yes they are.
Report edy February 25, 2021 6:45 PM GMT
It's not the Democrats' problems that the GOP made a a number of decisions regarding Trump that were always going to hurt them in the end. If your political opponents get themselves in such a pinch through their own doing, you might as well use it.
Report edy February 25, 2021 6:46 PM GMT
And I'm sure they would have taken Trump being convicted as well instead of being heartbroken that their grand scheme didn't play out.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 6:56 PM GMT
Yeah i get that Trump being convicted of something isnt the disaster that all democrats fear. But it will be better for them if he doesnt go down for tax fraud say.

If a criminal charge gets really serious then i can imagine AOC chanting ‘fight for trump’ but just very very quietly when nobody is around.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 7:00 PM GMT
I don't want him to be charged or convicted with anything, I want him to stand again in 2024Grin
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip February 25, 2021 7:02 PM GMT
Yes! Fight for trump. Fight for trump. I hope youre all singing along!
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 7:08 PM GMT
Hey, the Republican nomination is there for the taking by Trump. Does he want to risk getting gubbed again though? Could his ego take it?
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 7:09 PM GMT
If Trump runs, any Democrat is a certainty to win.
Report A_T February 25, 2021 7:11 PM GMT
If Trump was a true Republican he'd stand aside and back whatever they did - imploring his base to do the same. But of course he doesn't care about the GOP and it's all about him - it's why Doubya (and his late father) hate him so much. The cult of personality around him in the GOP is so huge he's effectively holding the party hostage. Stand by for 4 more years of stolen elections, witchhunts, etc, etc.

Don't feel sorry for Republicans - they signed up for this. Lindsey Graham said in 2016 if they went with Trump it would destroy them.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 7:13 PM GMT
He was correct.
Report politicspunter February 25, 2021 7:15 PM GMT
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.178163916

If anyone wishes to back Trump for Republican nominee, here is the market. £50 of that at 4.3 is mine.
Report dave1357 February 26, 2021 7:40 PM GMT
so trump and kushner's bestest arab friend is in fact a psychopathic murderer - who knew?

https://www.axios.com/khashoggi-report-365166be-7092-483c-b739-411193a91d2a.html

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) has released an unclassified report assessing that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) approved the operation to "capture or kill" Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018.
Report A_T February 27, 2021 9:23 AM GMT
tone for next few years for the GOP being set at CPAC. Disagree with Trump's lies and conspiracy theories about the election? Sorry there's no future for you in the GOP
Report Whisperingdeath February 27, 2021 11:31 AM GMT
I think if Chump is not in jail or dead he is a pretty good bet for the nomination. The GOP is in the wilderness right now but let’s see what happens to the economy.

Amrika is a pretty angry place right now. The radical left will want their fair share although the country will unite against Chump again if they have to people in politics have their own agenda’s the left could fragment as much as the right.

To early to call if anything the bet should be on Chump and the GOP because it is such a long shot and they are going to have their own civil war
Report A_T February 27, 2021 12:10 PM GMT
I think Trump will certainly say he is running for the nomination. He will see that as giving him an opportunity to portray the various legal investigations into him as politically motivated and afford him a measure of protection - and he loves holding rallies especially when someone else is footing the bill. But a lot can happen in 3 years and he's not a young man.
Report politicspunter February 27, 2021 12:17 PM GMT
I don't. His ego couldn't take it when he gets hammered again. He would have no incumbency factor and would be running for a split party.
Report A_T February 27, 2021 12:29 PM GMT
Which is one reason why I believe he might just say he's going to run to help fend off legal action against him. Then come 2020 "I'm not running, the vote is r i g g e d, etc, etc." In the meantime he can have lots of ego-boosting rallies paid for by someone else  - with a nice bit of "fund raising" thrown in.

The moment he leaves active political life the Trump stock drops dramatically
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