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Empty Nightingale hospitals are quietly dismantled 'because there aren't enough staff to run them' - despite NHS chief warning health service is back 'in eye of the storm' and hospitalisations pass peak of first Covid wave

Nightingale hospitals are being quietly taken apart as medics warn there are too few doctors and nurses to keep the make-shift facilities open.

Health bosses have already started stripping London's of its 4,000 beds, ventilators and even signs directing ambulances to wards, while those in Birmingham and Sunderland are yet to re-open.

An eye-watering £220million of taxpayers' money was splashed on seven Nightingales amid panic hospitals could be overwhelmed by an influx of Covid-19 patients during the first wave.

But many stood empty for months after ministers hailed them as a 'solution' to the Covid-19 crisis when they were opened to much fan-fare during the first months of the pandemic to buffer overwhelmed hospitals.

Intensive care doctors today accused ministers of ignoring warnings staffing was already 'wafer thin' in intensive care before splurging on the extra capacity, with little regard as to how they would be run.

And as beds were wheeled away from the flagship Nightingale in London - opened by Prince Charles - figures revealed that Covid-19 hospitalisations in England have surged past the peak of the first wave amid warnings from health chiefs they are back in the 'eye' of the Covid storm.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9095087/Londons-Nightingale-hospital-quietly-broken-arent-medics.html

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Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 12:03
Not sure whether health chiefs know what the eye of the storm is. That’s the relatively quiet bit in the middle. We’re definitely not in that.

The Nightingales never had a clear plan for use. Probably the only thing they might have been good for was semi palliative decants of patients not for escalation beyond simple care and even then, staffing wouldn’t have been available. Needless to say, this wouldn’t have provided an acceptable standard of care and would have been an utter desperation measure.
By:
frog1000
When: 29 Dec 20 12:12
£220m (enough money to keep the NHS going for half a day in normal times on their £140bn pa budget) was wasted on them. A drop in the ocean financially.

But in terms of time and energy of people like Hancock and NHS staff during the peak of the actual pandemic it was a massive distraction.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 12:20
Yes, the opportunity cost was far greater than the financial. Not something I’ve got any great insight into over and above what’s already in the public domain but it’s revealing that NHSE was emailing critical care leads at London hospitals asking for multiple trained intensivists and nurses in March (and early April, I think). Funnily enough, those hospitals were already deploying those staff!

I guess the other thing the Nightingales might have been used for early pandemic was low tech critical care, which was the plan, I think but would have been a bit of a disaster for those who went there. In either event, the only staffing solution would have been to pinch staff from areas of the country with relatively low rates of Covid. Needless to say, that’s not an option now, even were the buildings themselves still available.
By:
frog1000
When: 29 Dec 20 12:27
They could only provide oxygen and ventilators but no good if you had other issues (which most cases do).

Is it true that less people in hospital with the new variant are requiring oxygen than first time round?
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 12:34
IT, why don't you just become Insider Trader again ?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 20 13:47
Not so quietly, imo
By:
Angoose
When: 29 Dec 20 13:49
This is a Frog 100 Mk.lll 1cc. model aircraft diesel engine.. ....It is in good condition given it's age, serial number:7792 and comes with a very faded leaflet..would ideally suit a small/medium size free flight or control line model aircraft..
By:
nineteen points
When: 29 Dec 20 14:01
i might be wrong here,but did they not find that whacking patients on to the oxygen in the very early stages was in fact the wrong thing to do? they went crazy for as many vents as they could get,hence the nightingales.they then faded them out as they learnt more about the best treatment.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 29 Dec 20 14:06
Hi trader, we all know.
By:
saddo
When: 29 Dec 20 14:12
We all know who is donny osmond, what's your point, why the gang mentality?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 29 Dec 20 16:23

Dec 29, 2020 -- 8:01AM, nineteen points wrote:


i might be wrong here,but did they not find that whacking patients on to the oxygen in the very early stages was in fact the wrong thing to do? they went crazy for as many vents as they could get,hence the nightingales.they then faded them out as they learnt more about the best treatment.


You’re thinking of ventilators. Oxygen is fine. Ventilators are problematic, although they always are and you’d never choose to ventilate someone if you had a decent alternative option. We use other methods of supporting breathing short of ventilation more now but it’s an exaggeration to suggest this has been transformative. Steroids seem to help quite a bit but otherwise we’ve not got much better at treating Covid-19 than we were.

By:
dambuster
When: 29 Dec 20 20:55

Dec 29, 2020 -- 6:12AM, frog1000 wrote:


£220m (enough money to keep the NHS going for half a day in normal times on their £140bn pa budget) was wasted on them. A drop in the ocean financially.But in terms of time and energy of people like Hancock and NHS staff during the peak of the actual pandemic it was a massive distraction.


You could give The NHS a Billion pound a Day and it still wouldn't be enough,
too many pen pushers on disgusting wages doing F-All.
The waste should be a Great programme for Panorama, people being paid to keep quiet. It needs a massive overhaul from top to middle.
and give it to the bottom, where the Doctors and nurses are..
Every GOVT TRYING TO WIN VOTES BY THROWING UNLIMITED CASH AT IT, so they don't look Nasty.
Needs someone with the Boll0cks to say, ''Right, Lets see where its all going and stop it''.

By:
frog1000
When: 29 Dec 20 20:57
A five year Parliament is not enough time to sort out the NHS and social care.
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 20:58
IT, why don't you just become Insider Trader again ?
By:
politicspunter
When: 29 Dec 20 20:59
Is it because you were wiped out when Trump lost?
By:
moisok
When: 29 Dec 20 21:02
you all know this is a Guardian echo chamber
By:
nineteen points
When: 29 Dec 20 21:12
chamber chamber chamber cham ch
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 29 Dec 20 21:30
polly the bully wac
By:
moisok
When: 29 Dec 20 21:48
until you realise they are put there by others  so they can feed you THEIR information   then you have a position to start from
By:
moisok
When: 29 Dec 20 21:50
ps
have you ever watched the emphasis on one particular group in adverts these days?

we are talking 5/8/12 percent influence on what you need to see
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 29 Dec 20 21:55
It's all agenda based social engineering if I see an advert it's by mistake.
By:
moisok
When: 29 Dec 20 22:00
we will be noting your name!Devil
By:
Fatslogger
When: 30 Dec 20 09:43
Love the comment about this being a Guardian echo chamber being followed by a series of what I assume are bizarre racist conspiracy theories but can't tell for sure because the wording is so opaque. I don't read the Guardian much these days but doesn't seem very familiar.
By:
Fatslogger
When: 30 Dec 20 09:44
Actually, being a bit unfair.  It's presumably just one bizarre racist conspiracy theory.
By:
lfc1971
When: 30 Dec 20 09:48
Advertising is there to sell stuff , not to preach . When they start to preach it becomes social engineering
That’s dangerous .
By:
moisok
When: 30 Dec 20 15:55
several here just simply do not want to open their eyes - too scary and job threatening to comment on what is happening to your country
By:
the dealer
When: 31 Dec 20 11:51
Nightingale needed now in London but stripped bare and unusable. Will anyone ever be accountable ????
By:
saddo
When: 31 Dec 20 12:14
Is it really dealer? I assumed London got whacked so hard in the spring that they'd seen the worst of it.
By:
wolf3011
When: 31 Dec 20 12:35
On average, around 233,000 people with suspected cancer symptoms are urgently referred for further investigation each month across the UK, and an estimated 16,300 of these people would turn out to have cancer. 

But since the start of the lockdown, it’s estimated that there have been 300,000 fewer urgent suspected cancer referrals than normal.

I wonder how many thousands have dropped dead due to treatment , screenings grinding to a halt for the dreaded covid amongst God knows how many other illnesses.


https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-us/cancer-news/news-report/2020-07-08-urgent-cancer-referrals-being-turned-down-during-coronavirus-pandemic
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By:
GAZO
When: 31 Dec 20 12:46
lots and would/will be a lot more if they open those nightingale hospitals,they never had enough staff to man them and normal hospitals would have got stretched even more because that was were the staff were coming from
By:
wolf3011
When: 31 Dec 20 14:07
why build them then?
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 31 Dec 20 14:19
If these Nightingale hospitals aren't used now but still exist I'm thinking they're expecting a real pandemic at some stage.
By:
dpm
When: 31 Dec 20 15:00
Why build them ? Because the f7ukwits running the country thought it would look good, and 90% of the population believe them.
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 Dec 20 15:13
T n T
QUACKAMOLE
NIGHTINGALE,S
SCHOOLS
people very forgivng if theyu think vaccinations are going to be a quick and easy silver bullet
hancock now giving up on giving what was known as a genuine vacc 5 days ago and only giving them half a vacc
By:
1st time poster
When: 31 Dec 20 15:14
not forgetting
eat out to die out
and
xmas free for all
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 31 Dec 20 15:38
It is understood that NHS England will announce plans today to reopen the Nightingale Hospital, in east London’s Excel conference centre, on 4 January.
By:
nineteen points
When: 31 Dec 20 15:42
nicknamed the hokey cokey?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 31 Dec 20 16:02

Dec 31, 2020 -- 6:35AM, wolf3011 wrote:


On average, around 233,000 people with suspected cancer symptoms are urgently referred for further investigation each month across the UK, and an estimated 16,300 of these people would turn out to have cancer.

By:
Fatslogger
When: 31 Dec 20 16:03
I’m surprised you’re so worried, wolf. Most people who die of cancer are elderly and many have other medical problems.
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