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By:
roadrunner46
When: 26 Nov 20 16:34
think this comes down too economic and family necessity, the burden to keep people safe will fall on the individuals and businesses, think the government have made the right decision, albeit the lesser of two evils
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 16:59

Nov 26, 2020 -- 4:08PM, sageform wrote:


Not sure what planet some are living on. I am aged 76 so self isolating from other people but that does not mean that I can't spend 2 or 3 hours each day walking in the countryside and wildlife reserves as I always have done. Once a week on Saturday at 0800 I do a weekly Tesco shop complete with mask and gloves and handgel. I have always shopped at that time so apart from PPE no difference. In the afternoons I am doing a bit of gardening but mostly watching sport as I always have. Lockdown has made virtually no difference to my lifestyle at all. Why is that supposed to be bad for my mental health? I am far too busy to worry about other people.


Entirely agree with your post. Some on here seem to think that if you're over 60 then life is not worth living or saving. A day of anyone's life is worth saving and in a lot of cases it would have been easy to achieve.

By:
duffy
When: 26 Nov 20 17:28
   Nov 26, 2020 -- 5:08PM, sageform wrote:

    Not sure what planet some are living on. I am aged 76 so self isolating from other people but that does not mean that I can't spend 2 or 3 hours each day walking in the countryside and wildlife reserves as I always have done. Once a week on Saturday at 0800 I do a weekly Tesco shop complete with mask and gloves and handgel. I have always shopped at that time so apart from PPE no difference. In the afternoons I am doing a bit of gardening but mostly watching sport as I always have. Lockdown has made virtually no difference to my lifestyle at all. Why is that supposed to be bad for my mental health? I am far too busy to worry about other people.


Entirely agree with your post. Some on here seem to think that if you're over 60 then life is not worth living or saving. A day of anyone's life is worth saving and in a lot of cases it would have been easy to achieve.


Yeah, totally agree, what annoys me and has done all through this is that if (perish the thought) you succumbed to this, you'd have been dismissed by many as being on deaths door anyway, where the opposite is very much the case for many.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 26 Nov 20 17:29
Tory death squad 498,amazing how it's always below that next hundred everytime not at all suspicious..Shocked
By:
thegiggilo
When: 26 Nov 20 17:32
duffy26 Nov 20 18:28
   Nov 26, 2020 -- 5:08PM, sageform wrote:

    Not sure what planet some are living on. I am aged 76 so self isolating from other people but that does not mean that I can't spend 2 or 3 hours each day walking in the countryside and wildlife reserves as I always have done. Once a week on Saturday at 0800 I do a weekly Tesco shop complete with mask and gloves and handgel. I have always shopped at that time so apart from PPE no difference. In the afternoons I am doing a bit of gardening but mostly watching sport as I always have. Lockdown has made virtually no difference to my lifestyle at all. Why is that supposed to be bad for my mental health? I am far too busy to worry about other people.


Entirely agree with your post. Some on here seem to think that if you're over 60 then life is not worth living or saving. A day of anyone's life is worth saving and in a lot of cases it would have been easy to achieve.

Yeah, totally agree, what annoys me and has done all through this is that if (perish the thought) you succumbed to this, you'd have been dismissed by many as being on deaths door anyway, where the opposite is very much the case for many.

The average life expectancy loss is 10 years...that's why relatives are trying to get caes into court,no doubt another grenfell swept away enabled by the voters of the cuntry that are brainwashed..
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 26 Nov 20 17:35
sageform, good on you. Keeping active and getting on with things are great. The sad truth is not many 76 year olds lead the same lifestyle as yourself, and are not even able to do what you do. Many have been too scared to even go out at all. As for mental health I see more of the millennials/younger generation complaining of it.
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 17:39
Magic
Where do you get your facts from about 76 year olds not being active?
By:
Dotchinite
When: 26 Nov 20 17:52
Mental health issues are more likely to effect the young as their lives are being restricted more than what the very old are. Theres a large number of old folk to which lockdowns make virtually nil difference as they dont go anywhere much anyway.
Equally if you look at it from a financial point of view its the young who are being hit whereas the old are still getting an inflation matching pension rise next year and have suffered zero moneywise. We certainly arent all in it together.
By:
duffy
When: 26 Nov 20 17:56
As long as the young can still get hold of their blow they'll be alright
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 17:59

Nov 26, 2020 -- 5:52PM, Dotchinite wrote:


Mental health issues are more likely to effect the young as their lives are being restricted more than what the very old are. Theres a large number of old folk to which lockdowns make virtually nil difference as they dont go anywhere much anyway. Equally if you look at it from a financial point of view its the young who are being hit whereas the old are still getting an inflation matching pension rise next year and have suffered zero moneywise. We certainly arent all in it together.


That's not true is it. The young are generally carrying on as if there's no covid.

By:
duffy
When: 26 Nov 20 18:01
The young were all out in the fields during the first lock down picking fruit....oh wait, they weren't
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 26 Nov 20 18:04
Charlie - do you honestly think the majority of 76 year olds in this country are as active as sageform? Are there 76 year olds (or older) as active or even more active, then yes without a doubt.

Pointless trying argue the bleeding obvious to you, as you are someone who wanted a 6 month full lockdown a couple of weeks ago. One of the worst things I have read on here from any side of the argument.
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 18:09
Yeah I really do think there are many 76 plus years olds who are very active. Also very, very many over 65s.4 A six month lockdown would have done much better than all the half-hearted attempts we've had so far.
By:
eyeball
When: 26 Nov 20 18:16
Better off taking control of your own lives . Get your weight down so you are not in the obese level . Eat healthily . Exercise regularly . Keep
vitamin D levels up over winter . The statistics are then in your favour .

The clowns in charge are an unknown variable .
By:
sageform
When: 26 Nov 20 18:49
I would say I am about average for 76. Many of my age group were in walking groups that did 10 miles per day before lockdown and most of the people I see (socially distanced) on my walks are my age or older. There are at least 8 other people of my age in my village still running their own business, some over 80. Some farmers of that age don't even employ any help! The over 70 cyclists around here are becoming a menace as they bear down on you at 25mph. I had a small health scrae a few years ago and when I was discharged after the only night I have spent in a hospital since birth, I didn't understand what they meant by a home help package! My wife is 74 and still plays competitive tennis. I do understand that it is different in a large town but that is your choice.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 26 Nov 20 19:00
I love the way older folks generalise about the young. I suppose its easier than admitting that they are having their futures ruined to protect them. 
Duffys 18.56 post is a total disgrace and Charlies following one isnt much better.
By:
duffy
When: 26 Nov 20 19:01
sageform 26 Nov 20 19:49 
My wife is 74 and still plays competitive tennis.


Good stuff, the standard of the female players in this country is shocking, they need all the support they can get.Happy
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 19:05
Dot you've lost the plot.
By:
duffy
When: 26 Nov 20 19:06
Dotchnite,

I was waiting for your reply, I agree, there is no place for lazy generalizations!!

Dotchinite 26 Nov 20 18:52 
Theres a large number of old folk to which lockdowns make virtually nil difference as they dont go anywhere much anyway.
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 19:10
There are may more holes to pick in Dot's posts but this a a classic:

Dotchinite • November 26, 2020 7:00 PM GMT
I love the way older folks generalise about the young


From a person generalising about the old.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 26 Nov 20 19:22
You are wrong of course but keep digging if you want. Its far better than accepting the sacrifices others are making for you.

The comment duffy has picked up on is of course accurate since I said a large number which is of course a true statement.
Duffy of course thinks all the young take drugs.
So if you dont agree with generalizations Duffy why did you make a huge one. An unpleasant one as well.

Charlie have you got any more statistics on anything that you will insist prove something?
By:
lapsy pa
When: 26 Nov 20 19:33
This covid applies to all,i do feel for the young,future will be bleak for a few years,however the oldies went through hard recessions in the 80's etc.
The main difference between the 2 age groups is the young have little hope of owning a house,the rich ok but ordinary young Joe it is nearly impossible. The old had the general rule of 3Xearnings.
I do think brexit will be a disaster on top of covid for jobs,cost of living etc,i sympathise with the young also.
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 19:43
Dotchinite • November 26, 2020 7:22 PM GMT
You are wrong of course but keep digging if you want. Its far better than accepting the sacrifices others are making for you


Please explain why I'm wrong, your posts are there for all to see. Here's one again;

Theres a large number of old folk to which lockdowns make virtually nil difference as they dont go anywhere much anyway.


Tell me that's not a generalisation.
By:
Charlie
When: 26 Nov 20 19:45
And accepting the sacrifices others are making for you what are you on about? Fck me you sound like the young are on a crusade when in fact they're killing people.
By:
moisok
When: 26 Nov 20 19:58
sageform   -  unless you get out more  and meet all these clever youngsters you will be very unwoke

for me  -  I stay in and count the squirrels!!
By:
moisok
When: 26 Nov 20 19:58
ps  and the burgeoning number of polar bears
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 26 Nov 20 19:59
For the millionth time

Stop exaggerating
By:
sageform
When: 26 Nov 20 20:13
I have 2 sons and 3 granddaughters and would like to see them but so far this year it has been through Zoom and probably will be until I get vaccinated. Why do you have to go out to communicate? What do you think that we are all doing on this and other Forums? We have telephones, texts, Email, discussion Groups. In the 60s when I was at University in America, my parents didn't see me for 2 years and got a letter once a month. People have never been so connected.
By:
duffy
When: 26 Nov 20 20:46
There's a large number of the young that, as long as they can still get hold of their blow will be alright.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 26 Nov 20 20:47
Charlie you are a sad bitter old man who hasnt got a gracious bone in your body. You have no class whatsoever.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 26 Nov 20 20:48
duffy. A very subtle way of admitting you were wrong. Well done.
By:
duffy
When: 26 Nov 20 20:51
Using your exact turn of phrase was my idea at witSilly
By:
1st time poster
When: 26 Nov 20 20:59
watching the report about leci on the news despite month upon months of investigation the health people have no idea whats driving the number,s,they dip in one part of city rise in another etc etc
despite local mp on outskirts of city blaming the textile workers,theyve found no evidence of any outbreaks
1st out breaks were in south asian parts of town but no rise in hospital cases
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 26 Nov 20 21:53
Regarding Leicester where i'm from,there is something else going on,i know it as do many others,but its not in 'their' interest for it to be known
By:
1st time poster
When: 27 Nov 20 09:39
that theory,them thoughts have been tested,investigated to death but theirs no evidence to support it
or are you saying health workers are telling the public lies in the midst of a pandemic
By:
sageform
When: 27 Nov 20 09:44
There can be some doubts about how people are catching it but there is no shadow of a doubt that 15000 per day are testing positive and a percentage of those will die. It is likely that there is a factor at work that has not been identified (in my opinion 2 metres indoors is nowhere near enough separation but arguing about how it spreads solves nothing. Not sharing an air space with other people should protect you from Covid, flu and even a common cold. That is harder for some people but the science can't be in dispute.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 13:43
If you remember the old days of pubs....


One person smoking fills pub
with tobacco smoke.

The guy who's been working
smells a bit, but stay away
and you can't smell him

The old bird who has lost her
sense of smell and has over dosed
on use of poison perfume, so you need
to move to other end of bar.


Is covid dispersed as easily
as smoke, B O, or poison perfume?
By:
sageform
When: 27 Nov 20 14:49
Unless there are efficient air conditioning fans then the virus from one infected person would fill the barroom within an hour. Anyone not wearing a good quality mask would be at risk.
By:
nineteen points
When: 27 Nov 20 15:08
fake news
By:
Dotchinite
When: 27 Nov 20 15:11
Its amazing then that pubs werent responsible for huge outbreaks in every town and city then. What total rubbish.
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