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differentdrum
25 Nov 20 10:18
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You spend a month trying to get the rate down to inevitably allow it to go back up again. It makes no sense whatsoever. Christmas is not more precious than saving lives.

Lockdown is the only measure that has worked to any extent - the tier system hasn't - and should have continued until the vaccination process was up and running.

A few months in the overall picture is not a long time.

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By:
twizzle22
When: 25 Nov 20 10:23
Oh STFU
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Nov 20 10:24
Laugh oh dear
By:
feedthepony
When: 25 Nov 20 10:24
Government know people are just going to do what they want anyway, this way it gives the illusion they are allowing it to appear in control.
By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 25 Nov 20 10:37
I agree, DD. I haven't been back home, or seen my family, since January and have a couple of weeks off at Christmas. I won't be going back, just not worth the risk for me for the sake of one Christmas. I like Christmas but missing one isn't the end of the world.
By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 25 Nov 20 10:38

Nov 25, 2020 -- 4:24AM, feedthepony wrote:


Government know people are just going to do what they want anyway, this way it gives the illusion they are allowing it to appear in control.


They could have made this stick if they had sacked Cummings at the time. When they stood by him they basically lost all the good will and authority they had.

By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Nov 20 10:40
And didn’t the Scots have to get rid of a couple of people
I’m sure they will behave better than the English , no ?
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Nov 20 10:42
Wales , N Ireland , Eire , France , Spain ....
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Nov 20 10:43
Where exactly was this man Cummings ? to be so influential
By:
mafeking
When: 25 Nov 20 13:44
about the only thing that the govt's scientific "experts" have got right throughout this shambles is that lockdown was a one shot deal and should be used sparingly because people would quickly get fatigue. large scale compliance has long since disappeared

these polls suggesting 70% are in favour are a farce. people approve of restrictions cos it's the "right" and virtuous answer but in reality a massive number are saying one thing and doing completely another
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 25 Nov 20 16:02
Got to love the media, and anyone who are just against whatever decision will be made. They are hyping this right up as if everyone are going to spend Christmas with as many people as possible and be as irresponsible as possible. Yesterday quotes of up to 32 people were going to be in the same house!! If you think your elderly parents, grandparents, vulnerable family members are at a higher risk, then don't spend time with them.

Are we at the stage where nobody takes any personal responsibility at all for their own actions?
By:
mafeking
When: 25 Nov 20 17:09
seemingly a lot of people not capable of a making a decision about anything without the government telling them what to do. personal responsibility ? what's that ?
By:
MC Roller
When: 25 Nov 20 18:09
What is wrong with you people?

How long do you propose we remain locked up for?

Another 3, 6, 9 months, year, come on, how long?

The lockdowns are causing an incredible amount of misery you selfish *****
By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Nov 20 18:14
How long? another week and cop on for 3/4 months til vaccines are rolled out.
By:
sageform
When: 25 Nov 20 18:17
So long as they keep lifting restrictions, enough people will ignore the advice and the infection shoots up again. We need to see less than 1000 positive cases per day in UK and/or 40% of the population vaccinated to ease up at all. Nobody has to change their behaviour because the regulations change though. I certainly won't. If you want to socialise then please don't do it within 10 miles of me.
By:
sageform
When: 25 Nov 20 18:21
I think that compliance is a regional thing. I drove through a medium sized town very recently (something I do about once a month) and 90% of people were wearing masks even if walking alone along a pavement. The infection rate around here is less than 100 per 100,000.
By:
MC Roller
When: 25 Nov 20 18:21
Oh yeah, the jab. No comment. I'll save my decision until the jab squad come round.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Nov 20 18:40
Isn't it as simple though? the jab or the covid merry go round.
By:
nineteen points
When: 25 Nov 20 18:51
its flu.kills some others never flacker.some years flu is strong some years weak.this years is a strongun.lets get on with our lives and those who want to hide away or mask up,respect there views and let them get on with that.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 25 Nov 20 20:01
We certainly dont need 40% of the population vaccinated before we ease up and case numbers become of less relevance as the more vulnerable are protected. Cutting deaths drastically will only take maybe 5% of the population to be jabbed. At that point there are still  issues with hospital capacity but those too will become less of an issue as the number jabbed goes up.

They ought to be able to calculate accurately who/how many need the vaccine before the hospital cases are manageable regardless of rules but no way is that 40%. Maybe half that at a push.
By:
lfc1971
When: 25 Nov 20 20:10
Why not be inclined to be even more cautious, now that there seems to be a real prospect of a vaccine

Why risk things now with a possible end in sight it doesn’t make sense . Wouldn’t want to be the soldier that dies on 11/ 11/11
By:
Dotchinite
When: 25 Nov 20 20:17
I agree there should be no household meetings at Xmas when even a month from then things could be a lot safer.
Im curious though as to how many people who have been supporting lockdowns all year will now go and meet everyone just because its Xmas. That would appear to be a special type of stupidity.
By:
nineteen points
When: 25 Nov 20 21:04
and all this time the poor old folk are spending the last days of their lives imprisoned in homes with no visiting rites

have all you lockdown lovers ever sat and thought about the wickedness of this? its on par with  war crimes
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 25 Nov 20 21:46
You spend a month trying to get the rate down to inevitably allow it to go back up again. It makes no sense whatsoever. Christmas is not more precious than saving lives.

Lockdown is the only measure that has worked to any extent - the tier system hasn't - and should have continued until the vaccination process was up and running.

A few months in the overall picture is not a long time.

Ok Captain Hindsight explain the eat out to help out, letting students back,schools reopen,dont forget 'they' had all the stats the science

Now they're blaming us,well they can f()ck the self preserving parasites
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 25 Nov 20 22:09
Lockdown is the only measure that has worked to any extent


Yeah it's been superb hasn't it. It's cost how many jobs? How many businesses? It has cost how many lives of people who got so scared they wouldn't go to hospital or their Doctors? It cost how many lives with missed appointments/treatments for other diseases? How many people will have mental health issues because of lockdowns? A pathologist in a radio interview said last week over 100 people are dying at home (non covid related)?

Lockdowns work superbly don't they.
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 25 Nov 20 22:16
*100 people per day are dying at home
By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Nov 20 22:46
Lockdowns are the last resort, they are in tents in Croatia waiting to get in a hospital, they seem to be the only way to not end up like that,carry on and build more cemetaries.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 25 Nov 20 23:02
I think if we reached last resort they would make sense. I dont think we ever got to that point although the initial lockdown made some short term sense.
By:
mafeking
When: 25 Nov 20 23:02
never mind the 3M who will be out of work when the illusion of furlough goes up in smoke with little chance of finding a job for the foreseeable. none of them are gonna have their lives shortened are they ? or how do we pay for all the other serious illnesses in the coming years with no money left ?
By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Nov 20 23:08
50k-70k deaths, 30k-40k long covid, this is with trying to manage/control it, what if they didn't do anything?
By:
Dotchinite
When: 25 Nov 20 23:21
Lapsy the deaths figure is rather misleading isnt it? The average age is over the average life expectancy. You cant really claim these lives would have been saved for anything other than a short while.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Nov 20 23:31
Yes Dotchinite, but they are still lives obviously, a pandemic with an extremely contagious virus which may not affect you but any elderly or vulnerable person you came in contact with it could be deadly, leaves me open mouthed by people who claim that businesses frequented by the public are suffering,what do they expect?
By:
lapsy pa
When: 25 Nov 20 23:39
They tried to keep them open, eotho,back to offices, cinemas,pubs, here we are now.

Vaccines better work or the height of trouble altogether.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 25 Nov 20 23:49
Where are we lapsy? Excess deaths are marginal and most people want to be left alone to get on with their lives.  I hope the vaccines allow normality within a couple of months but its happening anyway as people wont continually put up with this.


As you say vaccines better work or theres gonna be hell to pay as patience is wearing thin.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 26 Nov 20 00:05
They won't be marginal for the next few months(imo), they lag as you know.

I'm sick sheet of it myself though touch wood family avoided it,you can feel how you like but the virus doesn't care how anyone feels. It would probably be delighted with thin patience.

Hopeful that next spring/summer things will be better,once this virus is out of the way/very controlled the economy will bounce back. Last chapter or two maybe.
By:
Magic__Daps
When: 26 Nov 20 08:06
So lapsy, no actual answers to my post at 2309? 

How many healthy lives have been ruined from lockdowns, how many more healthy lives do you think is acceptable to ruin in the next few months on top of them, businesses going bust that will never come back? Shall we stay locked down until every single person has been vaccinated iyo?
By:
twizzle22
When: 26 Nov 20 09:05
Magic is one of the few people on this thread talking sense.

Let me give you a hard fact.I belong to a golf club with 800 members,the majority of them are elderly (65+).Not ONE single person has contracted Covid19.Exactly the same at my friends club(400 miles away).Not as many members admittedly  yet still not a single member has contracted this "deadly disease".A pretty fair sample i think you'll  agree.All you cautious Colin's must realise the virus is going nowhere.Stay hidden behind your masks if you want but let the rest of us live our lives with freedom because what we have at present most certainly is not living.
By:
nineteen points
When: 26 Nov 20 09:37
the sad fact is which nobody tells you is that vast majority deaths are from the homes they are imprisoned in.
By:
Mexico
When: 26 Nov 20 10:07
Twizz

You make a big claim about a HARD FACT.
Not one person out of 800 members has contracted Covid. & follow it up that at a different club nobody has had Covid.


So maybe as it is a "hard fact" you can explain how you have records to the medical records of 800 people. How on Earth do you know that nobody out of these 800 have contracted Covid.
Even if you & your friend had managed to access these hundreds of secure medical records how did you get the information about members who may have contracted Covid but didn't get a test?

Have you even spoke to these 800 members & actually asked them if they have contracted Covid?
By:
frog1000
When: 26 Nov 20 10:12
Do people still believe in the doctrine that 'lockdowns' save lives?
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