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Because trump wanted them to succeed, he really thought
he could pull off a coup.
The half wits think it was the dems, lol, muppets.
deary me and you try so hard to appear measured and reasonable but actually you're just another conspiracy theorist
and other one the same
Jun 25, 2022 -- 11:55PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
why do you think all these allegedly bloodthirsty mobs that definitely weren't egged on by agent provocateurs were let into the capitol buildings while there was a illogically low number of police on hand for this event that was known to be happening in ample time beforehandBecause trump wanted them to succeed, he really thoughthe could pull off a coup.The half wits think it was the dems, lol, muppets.
500,000,000 guns in the US and yet in an attempted coup they forgot to bring them
WOW
Not one gun was found on anybody who entered the capitol
They must have forgot them
nope all prosecuted in line with the constitution which includes your beloved 2nd amendment
Jun 26, 2022 -- 8:50AM, A_T wrote:
Political prisoners like some kind of third world banana republicnope all prosecuted in line with the constitution which includes your beloved 2nd amendment
Jun 26, 2022 -- 8:57AM, Timber wrote:
So 18 months held without bail is fair... for trespassing?
I am quite sure that trespassing will be amongst the mildest of any charges.
suspects are being held, alongside those that took
part in the insurrection.
Or there's no evidence
As ever the whack job conspiracists need to have
both simultaneously for their theorys to work.
The coup attempt was going on behind closed doors.
I ain't gonna explain it all to you, but here's a snippet about the evidence being given at the hearings.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61919294
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At the end of Thursday's hearing, the committee aired tape of senior White House staff recounting how members of Congress had requested presidential pardons for their involvement in attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential results. The list included Matt Gaetz of Florida and Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia.
"The only reason I know to ask for a pardon is because you think you committed a crime," said committee member Adam Kinzinger, a Republican.
those two cranks begging for forgiveness. lovely
Jun 25, 2022 -- 11:52PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Lol, it's just another tangent.It's unpopular presidential candidate v trump, was your assertion.Not 1988,or if he was unpopular at school or on the train. You were wrong, and still are wrong no matter how much you keep digging.
it's ok man we just disagree about something very mundane, you keep thinking that biden is ultra popular.
Jun 25, 2022 -- 11:55PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
why do you think all these allegedly bloodthirsty mobs that definitely weren't egged on by agent provocateurs were let into the capitol buildings while there was a illogically low number of police on hand for this event that was known to be happening in ample time beforehandBecause trump wanted them to succeed, he really thoughthe could pull off a coup.The half wits think it was the dems, lol, muppets.
so are you implying that there was a complete lack of police attending when they were obviously needed and that police let them into the building because trump wanted them to succeed? so he made the police somehow or something, no one answers this question, I actually dont really care as I've said i didn't really follow it after the betting stopped, but i haven't seen anyone answer this
Jun 26, 2022 -- 8:01AM, A_T wrote:
why do you think all these allegedly bloodthirsty mobs that definitely weren't egged on by agent provocateurs were let into the capitol buildings while there was a illogically low number of police on hand for this event that was known to be happening in ample time beforehand?deary me and you try so hard to appear measured and reasonable but actually you're just another conspiracy theorist
all you do is sling ad hominem, when you hear something you don't like you shout conspiracy theorist. it's a childish way of writing that oozes tribalism
Lol, a other strawman, you really should read what folk write, then think,
before coming up with such ridiculous statements.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:25PM, A_T wrote:
I've never seen anyone suggest the police colluded with trump. but you're still evading explaining your statement: ""pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed"
well yout have to laugh apparently just did
Jun 25, 2022 -- 9:18PM, politicspunter wrote:
Let's consider the betting odds for a change, shall we? Biden is 7.2 on here on the outright market which is a stoking price for any incumbent. However, let's suppose he doesn't rum. Harris must be firm favourite to replace him surely? She is currently 17.0 on here. Both of these options should be backed.
I agree Harris is also a fair bet @17. But probably should be at least 14. Biden is 7.2 when should be about 4.1 at most.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:30PM, A_T wrote:
razz so you are saying the police colluded with trump?
no im saying yhtl apparently just did, his answer to my question about why there was no where near enough police and why the police let them into the building was that "Because trump wanted them to succeed, he really thoughthe could pull off a coup. "
i was asking what he means by that because it looks like he thought trump let them in indirectly somehow, im asking why or for him to be more specific with his answer
razz please explain this statement you made
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:24PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
so are you implying that there was a complete lack of police attendingLol, a other strawman, you really should read what folk write, then think,before coming up with such ridiculous statements.
I 100% am not implying that there were no police there to be clear, so you can stop projecting that right now. you follow that up with more ad hoiminem without an actual answer.
razz please explain this statement you made
to invade the Capitol.
Are you a bit fick or on drugs?
Though even then, if she had terrible poll ratings there would surely be a challenge.
If Biden announces he will serve his term and not run in 2024, and endorse Harris, I think she would be challenged. Maybe initially just by a no hoper. But if she was struggling against, say, an 83 yr old Bernie, then you would see a 'stop Bernie or whoever' candidate, which most likely would be Newsom, though other big name possibilities.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:37PM, A_T wrote:
"pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed"razz please explain this statement you made
later man i have to go out, im sure you'll be glued to the screen waiting for my reply again 
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:40PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Trump sent them there when he made his speech, inviting themto invade the Capitol.Are you a bit fick or on drugs?
Where did Trump tell people to break into the building? The people who breached the cordon and got in were not even at the rally. Seems pretty unlikely that Trump would think a mob could just push there way in, it was fairly incredible that there were like 10 officers vs 600 people.
i've never claimed the above. you're the one who said it's "pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed"
let's see if you can explain this statement without making an even bigger idiot of yourself that you have already
Should they have opened fire on the rioters, iyo?
What evidence of trumps coup did they possess?
you think they should have expected that Trump supporters would break into the Capital building?
This pity the insurgents invited itv cameras to
capture their insurrection
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:45PM, A_T wrote:
it was fairly incredible that there were like 10 officers vs 600 peopleyou think they should have expected that Trump supporters would break into the Capital building?
Muriel Bowser and Pelosi saw to that, do keep up ffs
There is a 2hr documentary about it that was made by HBO and shown on BBC.
It was from an anti Trump POV but makes it very clear what a farce it all was. Not pre planned at all, no orders, they didn't even want to be outside the capitol but they were not allowed near the rally. They just started heading towards the building and it immediately became apparent that there was nothing to stop them.
but why would police have anticipated such a thing? it's never happened before
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:51PM, Timber wrote:
This should shut up the leftards
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:58PM, A_T wrote:
I'm still confused as to why the authorities should have expected trump supporters would break into the Capitol
Ray Epps, in various videos verbally saying 'go to go into the capitol'
Not even been arrested
https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/
He was 'unpopular' in the sense that there was very little enthusiasm for him, compared to Obama or Clinton.
But he was not unpopular in the sense people had a big dislike for him.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 4:06PM, A_T wrote:
tobermory I'm still confused as to why the authorities should have expected trump supporters would break into the Capitol
Surely you can't be that thick
The protest shouldn't have been able to get anywhere near
why would they have expected the protest to get so near? it's never happened before on jan 6?
Market is waking up to his potential now and down to 50.
That's the thing with this event; if the obvious Top 4 are not going to be the candidates, then there are realistically only about 4 others for each party that can seriously contend.
And it's not that hard to figure out who they are, but you often see them at the same price as novelty candidates that I would never have thought to include in the list.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:44PM, A_T wrote:
in the meantime maybe someone can explain to me the total lack of adequate police presence and why they let the dumb protestors in?i've never claimed the above. you're the one who said it's "pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed"let's see if you can explain this statement without making an even bigger idiot of yourself that you have already
weird reply. i never claimed you did claim what i claimed.. i asked a question, and you for no reason at all say "i never claimed the above" 
i'm asking why you think that's the case. unless you think there was adequate police there. idk how you expect me to explain my statement when it's self explanatory, I'll clarify yet again:
I don't think there was adequate police there considering the event was planned days in advance, trump was stoking the flames of claims of a **** election, right there that should of had police, the capitol security, intelligence agencies alarm bells ringing and providing ample security. instead a mostly peaceful bunch of idiots were let into the buildings by police with no explanation as to why and why there wasn't a significant police presence.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 3:53PM, A_T wrote:
Well if anyone should have anticipated it surely it was the police?but why would police have anticipated such a thing? it's never happened before
because it's their ****g job you lemon the protest was planned smh, how on earth would they fail to connect the dots on that and not have many extra officers on standby at the very least. if your confused at that then you must be downright befuddled as to why they let them into the building..
Jun 26, 2022 -- 4:03PM, tobermory wrote:
In terms of Biden's popularity....He was 'unpopular' in the sense that there was very little enthusiasm for him, compared to Obama or Clinton.But he was not unpopular in the sense people had a big dislike for him.
people seem to forget biden was 4th in iowa with 13%, 5th in new hampshire with 8% and 2nd in nevada at 20% before the dnc had to throw their hands in the air and make all the other centrists drop out to make sure bernie didn't get in, most of biden's votes from super tuesday onwards came from the dropouts and the media (left and right decrying bernie as a communist) to ensure progressives didn't gain too much influence rather than people actually liking biden. that's before you even factor in the never trump vote voting for *insert any candidate here*
Jun 26, 2022 -- 9:40PM, Jack Bauer "24" wrote:
I've had all the money on Newsom at the biggest price of 990 traded on here and also at 770, 390 and a little bit more at 190. I have long considered him a future runner, and I think Biden and Harris should both stand aside as there are better candidates to fight out the nomination. Biden is too old and has served his purpose getting rid of Trump. Newsom v DeSantis would be a very interesting contest in 2024.
Excellent work. I didn't pay much attention to this market for the first year so never knew he'd been so high. It was crazy he was still 100+ after joining Truth Social, as that was a blatant move to position himself as a national figure 'taking on Trump'.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 10:26PM, Jack Bauer "24" wrote:
Iowa and New Hampshire are not representative of the Democratic Party as they are 90% white. They should be among the last states to vote, not the first two. Biden always said his campaign doesn't really start until South Carolina when black voters can vote in large numbers.
it was still a big blow for him and a very poor performance, and the opposite can be said of south carolina where he was expected to dominate
Governors are mostly unknown over here because they don't figure internationally.
But the most important factor in the credibility of a presidential bid is how you will fund it, and governors of big states have very powerful backers.
Youngkin and Abbot are probably overpriced on the Republican side.
very good raz - but you're still evading explaining your statement "pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed"
what do you believe was the reason for it being under-policed? it's "pretty stark" you say.
Jun 26, 2022 -- 9:40PM, Jack Bauer "24" wrote:
I've had all the money on Newsom at the biggest price of 990 traded on here and also at 770, 390 and a little bit more at 190. I have long considered him a future runner, and I think Biden and Harris should both stand aside as there are better candidates to fight out the nomination. Biden is too old and has served his purpose getting rid of Trump. Newsom v DeSantis would be a very interesting contest in 2024.
Very nice indeed! Do you intend to trade out if his price gets low enough?
Jun 26, 2022 -- 10:26PM, Jack Bauer "24" wrote:
Iowa and New Hampshire are not representative of the Democratic Party as they are 90% white. They should be among the last states to vote, not the first two. Biden always said his campaign doesn't really start until South Carolina when black voters can vote in large numbers.
Exactly. There are a lot of moves to try and change this state voting order, particularly after the farce in Iowa.
markets up. Might interest a few backing longshots.
Jun 27, 2022 -- 7:18AM, A_T wrote:
I don't think there was adequate police there considering the event was planned days in advance, trump was stoking the flames of
Jun 27, 2022 -- 1:12PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Smeerkats got some very interesting conditionalmarkets up. Might interest a few backing longshots.
I am not sure how much interest they will get on these markets. If this and if that doesn't really appeal.
what do you believe was the reason for it being under-policed? it's "pretty stark" you say.
Jun 27, 2022 -- 4:32PM, politicspunter wrote:
Does anyone recall what the rough amount matched was at this stage for the 2020 election? Not sure if there is any way to track that down. I do remember that the amounts matched rocketed after the election day as gullible Trumpers proceeded to wipe themselves out.
idk about this stage but irc after the election it went from like 300 million to over 1 billion i think. not sure we'll see stupidity like that again from trump bettors, although he is still fav to win the election 
