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politicspunter
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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 24, 2022 8:07 PM BST
Fascists
Report politicspunter June 24, 2022 8:11 PM BST
Possible flip incoming Presidential election.
Report frog1000 June 24, 2022 8:40 PM BST
Biden drifted a bit.

Republicans come in a couple of ticks.

Who do people think will be the dems choice. Both Biden and Harris been on the drift for a while and these court ruling may work against them bringing out extremists.
Report politicspunter June 24, 2022 8:44 PM BST
Any Democrat drift is probably directly related to DeSantis price shortening. Any Democrat will probably beat Trump now but DeSantis is different.
Report tobermory June 24, 2022 9:04 PM BST
'It was a coup'

Only left wing people think this.

It was a bunch of unarmed people trespassing. The people that broke in weren't even at the Trump rally, as they were told it was over capacity.

There was never the remotest possibility of anything other than the election result being confirmed.
Report tobermory June 24, 2022 9:07 PM BST
If not Biden or Harris then Newsom most likely.

He has the funding machine to stay in the race until it turns his way. Other candidates would need big success immediately or they would be crushed financially.
Report casemoney June 24, 2022 9:19 PM BST
It was a bunch of unarmed people trespassing  The first mob that Turned up should never ever Got in , Incredible they did TBH
Report Escapee June 24, 2022 9:22 PM BST
"It was a bunch of unarmed people trespassing."

I'm guessing you don't know about many of the details of what went on in the corridors of power, All the duplicate electors, who signed what orders etc.

the "mob" attack on the Capitol is a fraction the complete story, a fraction of list of players and actions involved.


probably too complicated for you anyway.

G'luck.
Report Escapee June 24, 2022 9:27 PM BST
the coup had failed before the mob entered the capitol
Report casemoney June 24, 2022 9:34 PM BST
Watched 4 hours at the Capitol dreadful scenes TBH ,security were totally unprepared for the Original  mob, How they managed to keep 2nd mob out was some effort tbh ,Lady was shot Dead going through a Broken window Posed no threat tbh ..
Report razz June 25, 2022 4:51 AM BST

Jun 24, 2022 -- 9:34PM, casemoney wrote:


Watched 4 hours at the Capitol dreadful scenes TBH ,security were totally unprepared for the Original

Report razz June 25, 2022 4:53 AM BST
police let them in, agent provocateurs were involved, there obviously was not enough police presence there despite them knowing there was going to be a ton of protestors there, there was no excuse for that and the other option stands there pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed.
Report razz June 25, 2022 4:59 AM BST

Jun 24, 2022 -- 6:54PM, politicspunter wrote:


If Trump stands and wins the GOP nomination, the election in 2024 simply becomes a referendum on Trump again. He lost last time and is in a far worse position this time.


The thing is I only see trump running for the nominee if he really believes he can win outright, im not sure he want's to run again knowing he very likely could lose again, his ego seems that important to him.

Report razz June 25, 2022 5:01 AM BST
And I think he might be mainly interested in running only if it's biden running opposite so he can get revenge
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 8:20 AM BST
Biden will beat Trump.
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 8:32 AM BST
DeSantis odds to win Republican nominee..

UK 3.05
USA 2.33

DeSantis odds to win Presidential election..

UK 4.9
USA 2.94

Trump odds to win Republican nominee..

UK 2.64
USA 2.94

Trump odds to win Presidential election..

UK 4.6
USA 3.57
Report Timber June 25, 2022 8:47 AM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 4:53AM, razz wrote:


police let them in, agent provocateurs were involved, there obviously was not enough police presence there despite them knowing there was going to be a ton of protestors there, there was no excuse for that and the other option stands there pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed.


Nancy Pelosi made sure there would be limited police
She effectively used  the house & senate as bait
All expendable, pure evil witch

Report A_T June 25, 2022 8:51 AM BST
I think he might be mainly interested in running only if it's biden running opposite so he can get revenge

the "revenge" angle doesn't apply because trump claims he won in 2020 anyway.

no way trump would risk another beating from biden - only way trump runs is if biden doesn't
Report A_T June 25, 2022 9:02 AM BST
pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed.

why do you believe it was under-policed?
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 9:06 AM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:51AM, A_T wrote:


I think he might be mainly interested in running only if it's biden running opposite so he can get revenge the "revenge" angle doesn't apply because trump claims he won in 2020 anyway.no way trump would risk another beating from biden - only way trump runs is if biden doesn't


Fair point.

Report Timber June 25, 2022 9:13 AM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:51AM, A_T wrote:


I think he might be mainly interested in running only if it's biden running opposite so he can get revenge the "revenge" angle doesn't apply because trump claims he won in 2020 anyway.no way trump would risk another beating from biden - only way trump runs is if biden doesn't


Laugh

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 9:37 AM BST
I am struggling to think of any Democrat candidate that Trump would beat.
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 10:18 AM BST
2024 National Dem Primary Poll, Without Biden:

M. Obama 19%
Harris 13%
Buttigieg 8%
Clinton 7%
Ocasio-Cortez 7%
Abrams 6%
O'Rourke 4%
Booker 3%
Klobuchar 3%
Newsom 3%
Winfrey/McConaughey/Manchin 2%
Adams/Kaine/Patrick/Cuomo 1%
Murphy/Gillibrand/Hickenlooper/Steyer 0%

McLaughlin
Report Timber June 25, 2022 10:28 AM BST
M. Obama 19%
Harris 13%
Buttigieg 8%
Clinton 7%
Ocasio-Cortez 7%
Abrams 6%
O'Rourke 4%
Booker 3%
Klobuchar 3%
Newsom 3%

All completely ghastly characters, absolutely despised by most
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 10:30 AM BST
Most Republicans perhaps.
Report A_T June 25, 2022 10:50 AM BST
by most right-wing bigots
Report A_T June 25, 2022 10:57 AM BST
there's a lot of decent republicans - maybe about a third of them?
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 10:58 AM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 10:57AM, A_T wrote:


there's a lot of decent republicans - maybe about a third of them?


Difficult right now to get an exact figure because of the current ongoing loss of support for Trump.

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 11:07 AM BST
2024 National Republican Primary Poll:

Trump 59%
DeSantis 15%
Pence 7%
Romney 4%
Owens 3%
Rubio 2%
Abbott 1%
Cotton 1%
Kasich 1%
T. Scott 1%
Hogan 1%
Cheney 1%
Bolton 0%

McLaughlin & Associates ~ 436 LV ~ 6/17-6/22
https://mclaughlinonline.com/pols/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/National-Monthly-June-2022-RELEASE.pdf
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 11:08 AM BST
2024 National Dem Primary Poll:

Biden 23%
M. Obama 18%
Ocasio-Cortez 6%
Harris 5%
Buttigieg 5%
Abrams 5%
Clinton 5%
O'Rourke 4%
Booker 3%
Klobuchar 2%
Winfrey 2%
Newsom 2%

McConaughey/Manchin/Cuomo/Murphy/Kaine/Adams 1%

Hickenlooper/Patrick/Gillibrand/Steyer 0%

McLaughlin
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 11:10 AM BST
2024 National Republican Primary Poll, Without Trump:

DeSantis 32%
Trump Jr. 17%
Pence 12%
Owens 4%
Cruz 4%
Rubio 3%
Pompeo 3%
Haley 3%
Romney 3%
T. Scott 2%
Abbott 2%
Cotton 1%
R. Scott 1%
Noem 1%
Kasich 1%
Cheney 1%
Hogan 1%
Bolton 0%

McLaughlin & Associates ~ 436 LV
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 11:16 AM BST
DeSantis clear favourite in these non Trump polls but Pence has been a very vocal advocate of a national ban on abortion. Staunch supporters of the recent Roe-Wade decision are likely to be in his camp.
Report razz June 25, 2022 4:08 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 10:30AM, politicspunter wrote:


Most Republicans perhaps.


nah plenty of independents and liberals too

Report razz June 25, 2022 4:09 PM BST
and large parts of progressives thinking about it
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 4:10 PM BST
Which one?
Report A_T June 25, 2022 4:46 PM BST
pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed.

razz what do you believe the reason was for it being under-policed?
Report A_T June 25, 2022 4:47 PM BST
nah plenty of independents and liberals too

Clinton polled 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 4:52 PM BST
And Biden increased that to 7 million more.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 5:58 PM BST
Trump got more votes v Biden than he did v Clinton.

Far higher turnout.

Clinton failed to get vote out, Biden got vote out
and took some of left wing of GOP, trump got new voters.

dem candidate will need Obama support, and needs to
address popularity of GOP with pockets of Hispanic voters
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 5:58 PM BST
.. That trump was able to galvanise
Report razz June 25, 2022 6:08 PM BST
clinton and biden, 2 of the least popular presidential candidates in history. they are the example of politicians that only the right dislike? Laugh i can't even imagine how that is rationalized lol
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:10 PM BST
Unpopular with who? Republicans certainly. However, they were more popular than their opponents in the Presidential elections as they both received more votes.
Report razz June 25, 2022 6:10 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 4:46PM, A_T wrote:


pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed.razz what do you believe the reason was for it being under-policed?


not sure, how about you? by that time I had had enough of like 2 or 3 years of following all this BS so as soon as the election was over and I'd milked what i could out of the insane trump bettors post election day I stopped reading about it. there was no reasonable excuse I heard considering it was a planned event and the high profile nature of it.

Report razz June 25, 2022 6:12 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:10PM, politicspunter wrote:


Unpopular with who? Republicans certainly. However, they were more popular than their opponents in the Presidential elections as they both received more votes.


people across the political spectrum. people who dislike all politics etc, ofc more ppl on the right probably dislike them than non right but that's obvious and goes both ways ofc.

Report razz June 25, 2022 6:16 PM BST
and obviously a large amount of biden/clinton (the female one not the one who hung out on the pedo's island all the time) "supporters" were just staunch never trump people who didn't give a **** about who the alternative candidate was.
Report razz June 25, 2022 6:18 PM BST
and given biden's ratings now many of those voters seemingly have come to realise they don't like biden much at all either.
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:18 PM BST
At the island with Trump.
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:20 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:18PM, razz wrote:


and given biden's ratings now many of those voters seemingly have come to realise they don't like biden much at all either.


Bidens ratings are low but so were many Presidents at this stage of their first terms, who often went on to be re-elected.

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 6:21 PM BST
Unpopular?




In 2008, Barack Obama earned 69,498,516 votes in the presidential election, the most ever. Now, Mr. Obama's former vice president, Joe Biden, has far surpassed that tally, setting a new record with more than 81,284,000 votes (51.3% of the total) in the 2020 election.
Report tobermory June 25, 2022 6:22 PM BST
Biden seems crazy value.

If we assume he is about Evens to win as the candidate, then the market seems to think he has less than 30% chance of being the candidate.

But I am not seeing any reason why he shouldn't be odds on to be the Democrat candidate right now.
Report razz June 25, 2022 6:24 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:18PM, politicspunter wrote:


At the island with Trump.


another "but trumpor" ? Tongue Out

trump wasn't recorded flying there at all right? let alone 17 or so times that clinton was Confused

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:26 PM BST
Effectively you are betting on Bidens health. If it holds up, he will almost certainly run and at prices around 7.0 and above, is fabulous value.
Report razz June 25, 2022 6:27 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:20PM, politicspunter wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 --  6:18PM, razz wrote:and given biden's ratings now many of those voters seemingly have come to realise they don't like biden much at all either.Bidens ratings are low but so were many Presidents at this stage of their first terms, who often went on to be re-elected.


yeah but still it illustrates my point that these people are far from being disliked mainly by the right. even pre election there was a significant portion of classical liberals who were finding it hard to consider voting biden, and also a big part of the progressive movement that hadn't been taken over/funded by the dnc yet.

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:27 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:24PM, razz wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:18PM, politicspunter wrote:At the island with Trump.another "but trumpor" ?  trump wasn't recorded flying there at all right? let alone 17 or so times that clinton was


Trump was a very close associate of Epstein. You can bet your bottom dollar Trump was there.

Report razz June 25, 2022 6:27 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:21PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Unpopular?In 2008, Barack Obama earned 69,498,516 votes in the presidential election, the most ever. Now, Mr. Obama's former vice president, Joe Biden, has far surpassed that tally, setting a new record with more than 81,284,000 votes (51.3% of the total) in the 2020 election.


population growth is also a factor surely as well as the already aforementioned "never trump vote" you have to take into consideration.

Report razz June 25, 2022 6:29 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:27PM, politicspunter wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 --  6:24PM, razz wrote:Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:18PM, politicspunter wrote:At the island with Trump.another "but trumpor" ?

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:30 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:27PM, razz wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 --  6:20PM, politicspunter wrote:Jun 25, 2022 --

Report Escapee June 25, 2022 6:32 PM BST
"But I am not seeing any reason why he shouldn't be odds on to be the Democrat candidate right now."

The only reason I can think of is his age, He'll be 81 in 2024
Report razz June 25, 2022 6:33 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:22PM, tobermory wrote:


Biden seems crazy value.If we assume he is about Evens to win as the candidate, then the market seems to think he has less than 30% chance of being the candidate.But I am not seeing any reason why he shouldn't be odds on to be the Democrat candidate right now.


his age, his mental decline, the 1000's of blunders, his inability to speak to the media and not off a teleprompter, the perceived weakness of america internationally seeing such a frail leader who bungles(or is at least perceived to bungle) every major event of his term, his ratings which are close to trump levels or even worse harris levels lol

Report razz June 25, 2022 6:34 PM BST
clearest value to me right now although smaller returns is by far to bet against trump winning outright.
Report razz June 25, 2022 6:37 PM BST
trump fav for the presidency makes no sense to me right now, all of the main 3 markets have huge errors in pricing I think, but it's too far out and the state of the US/world is too volatile to be too confident of betting that much at this stage
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:40 PM BST
I personally don't see any mental decline in Biden. Americans don't give a hoot what other countries think of them. He has reduced unemployment dramatically and stabilised the Covid situation. Don't underestimate incumbency.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 6:40 PM BST
Population growth from Clinton to Biden in 4 years.


Why not look at stuff with a bit more honesty, you'll find it
works wonders.
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 6:40 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:37PM, razz wrote:


trump fav for the presidency makes no sense to me right now, all of the main 3 markets have huge errors in pricing I think, but it's too far out and the state of the US/world is too volatile to be too confident of betting that much at this stage


I agree.

Report A_T June 25, 2022 7:04 PM BST
not sure, how about you?

but razz you said it was "pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed". what did you mean by that?
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:20 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:40PM, politicspunter wrote:


I personally don't see any mental decline in Biden. Americans don't give a hoot what other countries think of them. He has reduced unemployment dramatically and stabilised the Covid situation. Don't underestimate incumbency.


it's clear as day to see, i'm not saying it's on the level that is frequently spouted but it is significant, it is not evident all the time, mostly when the Adderall or whatever drugs they have got him on ware off, you can see it in his slurred words, how slowly he sometimes speaks, how he often loses track of what he is saying when trying to make a sentence and trails off..."anyway..." how often he loses his temper with journalists and other things too. often I see ppl blaming it on his stutter but he rarely actually stutters and his speech issues you see are not related to a speech impediment.

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 8:22 PM BST
I assume you know that Biden has had a speech impediment since he was a child?
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:22 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 6:40PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Population growth from Clinton to Biden in 4 years.Why not look at stuff with a bit more honesty, you'll find itworks wonders.


embarrassingly, it seems you either can't count or forgot what you yourself wrote. YOU were comparing obama in 2008 to biden's number's in his win, so not sure  if you should be calling me dishonest when I was simply replying to your own comparison, not from clinton's run with biden's..

Report razz June 25, 2022 8:25 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:22PM, politicspunter wrote:


I assume you know that Biden has had a speech impediment since he was a child?


yes and like i said, his stutter rarely emerges these days, im well aware of speech impediments having had close family members with them. what biden displays in his speech with slurring, sentences that don't make any sense, forgetting what he was getting at halfway through sentences etc is not related to his stutter. some of these he has also had quite a long time but have clearly been getting worse too. do you also think he doesn't look like he has aged at all since election day?

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:26 PM BST
Eh?

Are you doubling down on your explanation?

Lol
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:29 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:26PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Eh?Are you doubling down on your explanation?Lol


idk what you mean man, you said "In 2008, Barack Obama earned 69,498,516 votes in the presidential election, the most ever. Now, Mr. Obama's former vice president, Joe Biden, has far surpassed that tally, setting a new record with more than 81,284,000 votes"

then you called me out for replying to that saying I was dishonest for comparing clinton's run with biden's which ofc never happened lol

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 8:30 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:25PM, razz wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:22PM, politicspunter wrote:I assume you know that Biden has had a speech impediment since he was a child?yes and like i said, his stutter rarely emerges these days, im well aware of speech impediments having had close family members with them. what biden displays in his speech with slurring, sentences that don't make any sense, forgetting what he was getting at halfway through sentences etc is not related to his stutter. some of these he has also had quite a long time but have clearly been getting worse too. do you also think he doesn't look like he has aged at all since election day?


Well, he seemed fine in both the primary debates and the debates against Trump, which incidentally, the vast majority polled said he had won convincingly. He didn't read off any autocue in either.

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:31 PM BST
Eh?

Lol, are you really taking line?
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:31 PM BST
a quick web search and you can see the population grew about 10% i think between 2008 and now
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:32 PM BST
Why not read what's said, rather than what you
want to read.

Makes things simpler.
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:37 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:32PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Why not read what's said, rather than what youwant to read.Makes things simpler.


honestly do not understand what you are talking about, care to actually explain? you said "Population growth from Clinton to Biden in 4 years.


Why not look at stuff with a bit more honesty, you'll find it
works wonders."

I assumed this was aimed at me because i just responded to you about population growth being a factor in biden's greater numbers vs obama's that you were originally pointing out.

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:39 PM BST
clinton and biden, 2 of the least popular presidential candidates in history.



Remember this is your assertion!
Report tobermory June 25, 2022 8:42 PM BST
Biden certainly declined from 2012. He was very sharp in the vice presidential debate.

When he was campaigning for the Democratic nomination in 2019/2020 I was shocked at how bad he was at times, there had been a definite decline. But he really is no worse now than 3 years ago.

Most likely he had a mini stroke somewhere between 2015-2017 that left him with difficulties focusing and remembering. But it has not gotten any worse.

So I'd say his mental state has been stable for 3 years and only has to carry on like this for 18 months and it will be the point of decision to run again.

Biden as he is now is a much better option than Harris.
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:45 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:39PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


clinton and biden, 2 of the least popular presidential candidates in history.Remember this is your assertion!


no no, the topic is about you calling me dishonest for saying population growth is a factor in the comparison of hillary and biden's numbers when I never said that, i literally replied to you comparing obama and biden's numbers. we can talk about how beloved hillary and biden are after if you want but your trying to change the subject lol

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:47 PM BST
So you still think Biden was unpopular, and he got
all them votes being unpopular because the population
grew 10% since Obama, who was previously most
voted for.

OK,

You are wrong, but you carry on.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:49 PM BST
Nope it's me calling you dishonest that you say Biden was unoopular.

Clearly you might believe you are being honest, but
then I simply pity you
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:50 PM BST
I thought you were a little brighter than some of the
half wits, but...

Hey ho
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:52 PM BST
yikes, the mental arithmetic is truly impressive, taking things out of context ignoring other factors i've mentioned and filling in the blanks to make sure that your picture of me has to be correct and cannot under any circumstance differ from your reality lol, you have embarrassed yourself today.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 8:54 PM BST
You are taking stuff out of context having made
a ridiculous assertion that Biden was unpopular.
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:55 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:42PM, tobermory wrote:


Biden certainly declined from 2012. He was very sharp in the vice presidential debate.When he was campaigning for the Democratic nomination in 2019/2020 I was shocked at how bad he was at times, there had been a definite decline. But he really is no worse now than 3 years ago. Most likely he had a mini stroke somewhere between 2015-2017 that left him with difficulties focusing and remembering. But it has not gotten any worse.So I'd say his mental state has been stable for 3 years and only has to carry on like this for 18 months and it will be the point of decision to run again. Biden as he is now is a much better option than Harris.


I do think he has declined since he won but it is hard to be sure how much because of how infrequently he talks unaided and especially about the complex situations and with people asking him questions that aren't all vetted beforehand and how infrequently he talks without a teleprompter. medically speaking he has to off declined somewhat, it's possible it's minimal but I don't think so.

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 8:56 PM BST
There wasn't a teleprompter or cetted questions in the Primary debates or the debates against Trump, which he clearly won.
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 8:57 PM BST
vetted
Report tobermory June 25, 2022 8:59 PM BST
the debates were terrible.

Trump just kept interrupting and going off on tangents, so Biden did not have to say much. An when he did he was hardly brilliant.
Report razz June 25, 2022 8:59 PM BST
yes turns out his policy history was highly unpopular given how much world instability it caused, and a lot of votes and polls were heavily affected by never trumpors among several other factors.  if you were talking rigidly about ratings alone then maybe I should of been more specific but I thought it was at least perceivable that ppl could see i was talking about the wider picture so i guess that's my bad and I'm a half wit..

you know we can just talk on here without insulting each other like this itself is some sort of intellectual political debate that is being scored all the time..
Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 9:10 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:59PM, tobermory wrote:


the debates were terrible.Trump just kept interrupting and going off on tangents, so Biden did not have to say much. An when he did he was hardly brilliant.


Actually, Trump was also terrible in the debates against Hillary, which he also clearly lost.

Report politicspunter June 25, 2022 9:18 PM BST
Let's consider the betting odds for a change, shall we? Grin

Biden is 7.2 on here on the outright market which is a stoking price for any incumbent. However, let's suppose he doesn't rum. Harris must be firm favourite to replace him surely? She is currently 17.0 on here. Both of these options should be backed.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 9:20 PM BST
Popularity is popularity.

Voting is more and more a popularity contest

Getting back to voting on policy would be good
but reality tv has shown folk the power, and spin
doctors have improved to milk it.

Targeted negative adverts have been so powerful
too,


Moving forward, all sides now have this,

Maybe policy will kick in to debates again.
Report A_T June 25, 2022 9:28 PM BST
razz regarding the Capitol you said it was "pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed". what did you mean by that?
Report razz June 25, 2022 10:41 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 9:10PM, politicspunter wrote:


Jun 25, 2022 -- 8:59PM, tobermory wrote:the debates were terrible.Trump just kept interrupting and going off on tangents, so Biden did not have to say much. An when he did he was hardly brilliant.Actually, Trump was also terrible in the debates against Hillary, which he also clearly lost.


i thought he was much worse vs biden, in a traditional sense he probably lost vs hillary but I don't think that's how they were judged by a large amount of people, trump got the better of her in a different way

Report razz June 25, 2022 10:43 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 9:28PM, A_T wrote:


razz regarding the Capitol you said it was "pretty stark as to why it was so under-policed". what did you mean by that?


why do you think all these allegedly bloodthirsty mobs that definitely weren't egged on by agent provocateurs were let into the capitol buildings while there was a illogically low number of police on hand for this event that was known to be happening in ample time beforehand?

Report razz June 25, 2022 10:45 PM BST

Jun 25, 2022 -- 9:20PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


Popularity is popularity.Voting is more and more a popularity contestGetting back to voting on policy would be goodbut reality tv has shown folk the power, and spindoctors have improved to milk it.Targeted negative adverts have been so powerfultoo,Moving forward, all sides now have this,Maybe policy will kick in to debates again.


if your being that pedantic about it then i'll reciprocate (in good faith) and counter with 1988 and why biden was so popular he didn't even make it to the primaries in his run haha

Report razz June 25, 2022 10:47 PM BST
got him
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 11:52 PM BST
Lol, it's just another tangent.

It's unpopular presidential candidate v trump, was your assertion.

Not 1988,or if he was unpopular at school or on the train.

You were wrong, and still are wrong no matter how much
you keep digging.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 25, 2022 11:55 PM BST
why do you think all these allegedly bloodthirsty mobs that definitely weren't egged on by agent provocateurs were let into the capitol buildings while there was a illogically low number of police on hand for this event that was known to be happening in ample time beforehand



Because trump wanted them to succeed, he really thought
he could pull off a coup.

The half wits think it was the dems, lol, muppets.
Report tobermory June 26, 2022 12:10 AM BST
Isn't the Capitol Police answerable to Congress, so Pelosi.
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