2024 USA Presidential Election

No one would have known about the incident in the car without the testimony already given by Cassidy Hutchison.

The only people who can testify are those called by the committee.

It's up to the committee.

that's true. trump allies could have sat on the committee but they didn't want to. it's a shame because they could have cleared trump's name and the matter could have been settled. I wonder why they didn't want to sit on the committee?

Jun 30, 2022 -- 7:16PM, tobermory wrote:

The only people who can testify are those called by the committee.

The committee have already asked, as recently as yesterday, for anyone who has information to come forward and approach them.

Jun 30, 2022 -- 7:16PM, politicspunter wrote:

No one would have known about the incident in the car without the testimony already given by Cassidy Hutchison.

Her hearsay is all the evidence that there was such an incident. And the committee doesn't look like asking the people who are actually there.

Jun 30, 2022 -- 7:04PM, A_T wrote:

I don't think it will be one of the biggest issues in 2024 unless trump wins the nomination which I don't think he willdon't count on that - De Santis still dodges the question - if he's GOP candidate he'll be asked that again and again.

makes sense at this time I think, keeping his cards close to his chest. if he can let trump nuke his own chances without having to get involved and pissing of the hardcore maga vote then all the better for him before the nomination is confirmed. he can clarify his stance on it then and I don't think it will be a big problem for him.

if he wins ofc

Jun 30, 2022 -- 7:19PM, politicspunter wrote:

Jun 30, 2022 --  7:16PM, tobermory wrote:The only people who can testify are those called by the committee.The committee have already asked, as recently as yesterday, for anyone who has information to come forward and approach them.

Yes, they want people to come forward to make up stuff about Trump: "If you suddenly remember something...". They don't want to talk to people who actually know what happened.

If trump is indicted he will be able to call witnesses for his defence - presumably these secret service agents

Jun 30, 2022 -- 7:19PM, tobermory wrote:

Jun 30, 2022 --  7:16PM, politicspunter wrote:No one would have known about the incident in the car without the testimony already given by Cassidy Hutchison.Her hearsay is all the evidence that there was such an incident. And the committee doesn't look like asking the people who are actually there.

It's not hearsay. There was at least one witness present when the secret service agent told her what had happened.

Now, the secret service agent could have been making it all up but Cassidy Hutchison simply told the committee what the agent told her.

https://twitter.com/PiaGuerra/status/1541873207417790464?s=19

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Must be true, look at the hands!

surely trump's hands are too tiny to have any realistic chance of grabbing the steering wheel?

Which witness was that?

Why not get that witness on the stand. Or, better still, get the actual agent.

The agents will never be called. 

Lynn Cheney was actually hugging Cassidy after the testimony. They do not want her debunked.

The Secret Service is not a bunch of guys in MAGA hats. It is far older than the FBI/CIA and it testimony under oath is a bigger deal than for someone just trying to get on the talking head political celebrity circuit.

I believe it was Mark Meadows.

These Jan 6th hearings are great for Timber, they will show all of us "trump won 2020" sceptics to be the fools he thinks we are.

Because Trump has had 18 months to gather all the evidence that the Election was stolen. He'll have spent time and money and got it all in one easy to read document, and he show the world all this evidence when he appears


Tell me, When is Trump appearing at these hearings?
I wanna get an extra large bag of pop corn for his testimony.


Viva the orange man

popcorn ayy, yeah def not pantomime :D

razz, it's fairly obvious you haven't been following the proceedings.

hell ye I got way better things to be doing, seems like they are milking it to me though

trump brought all this on himself - he could easily clear the matter up by apologising and saying he was wrong

he should do that but why would he when this could hurt dems more than if the focus on something else

loved Ivanka's testimony - once Bill Barr explained things to her she realised the election wasn't stolen

Cut out of trumpys will for that

Trump said she was only being respectful to Barr and she hadn't seen all the evidence

Cut out of trumpys will for that

the only thing he'll be leaving is debts

Jun 30, 2022 -- 7:58PM, A_T wrote:

trump brought all this on himself - he could easily clear the matter up by apologising and saying he was wrong

Trump still follows Roy Cohn's advice “Attack, don’t settle, get off the issue, never apologize”

He is just digging himself into a deeper hole daily.

DeSantis down to 4.3 on here on the outright market, Trump out to 4.9. Quite a gap in a short time.

Trump still follows Roy Cohn's advice “Attack, don’t settle, get off the issue, never apologize”

trump has settled dozens of times

Yes, he has. He settled the very first case that Cohn represented him on ( accused of discriminating against blacks in rental properties)

the actual advice was

1. Never settle, never surrender.
2. Counter-attack, counter-sue immediately.
3. No matter what happens, no matter how deeply into the muck you get, claim victory and never admit defeat.

What is meant by 'never settle' is never to immediately admit guilt, but bring your own counter charges and then eventually it is decided by a compromise and you can claim you won.

things didn't turn out so well for Cohn - like for many people who get involved with trump

Is he sleeping with the fishes?

according to Roger Stone "He [Cohn]told me his absolute goal was to die completely broke and owing millions to the I.R.S. He succeeded in that."

that also seems to be trump's aim

politicspunter,

he died of AIDS in the mid 80s

my position on this

279	De Santis		487	AOC
124	Trump		357	Ted
365	Biden		377	Tucker
198	Kamala		52	Bernie
340	Pence		367	Eric Adams
471	Haley		477	Ivanka
392	Buttigieg		5,305	Abbott
444	Michelle O		267	Crenshaw
1,416	Newsom		7,384	Paul Ryan
49	Hilary		257	Rand Paul
407	Warren		407	Oprah
627	The Rock		417	Beto O'Rourke
52	Pompeo		367	Ben Carson
327	Tom Cotton		487	Liz Cheney
387	Bloomberg		728	Sherrod Brown
367	Klobuchar		72	Trump Jnr
1,243	Youngkin		3,198	Romney
1,003	Noem		27	the rest
497	Tulsi

||

Interesting book Tobermory

We've got differing opinions on a few candidates, So take my views with a pinch of salt.

I think you could squeeze another £15-20 of value by laying Hilary & Trump Jnr out to your current max red of 627, Both have about 1 million to 1 chance IMHO.

I've been focusing on the Rep nominee market as I can't get my head around the possibility / probabilities of Biden standing again at 81 years old. But I think the Reps just can't afford to run with an 80 year old trump either and there lies the value.

I'd welcome your critiques

USA - Presidential Election 2024 -- Republican Nominee

50 Runners            £324,381 Matched

				105.3%		97%
-£728.47	Donald Trump	2.64	2.66	2.68		2.72	2.74	2.76	£245,759
		£39	£39	£385		£20	£49	£25
£444.6	Ron DeSantis	2.76	2.8	2.82		2.86	2.88	2.9	£30,029
		£1	£108	£3		£12	£33	£804
£444.6	Nikki Haley	19	19.5	20		21	22	28	£8,120
		£19	£29	£1		£3	£7	£2
£564.6	Mike Pence	11.5	12	12.5		13	13.5	14	£12,612
		£15	£31	£13		£5	£2	£20
£444.6	Mike Pompeo	32	34	38		42	44	46	£3,007
		£57	£59	£3		£5	£5	£4
-£724.4	Tucker Carlson	150	160	170		240	250	470	£3,868
		£2	£1	£1		£2	£3	£3
£444.6	Ted Cruz	85	90	100		150	160	190	£3,457
		£5	£1	£1		£1	£10	£3
£444.6	Josh Hawley	100	110	150		220	230	240	£1,552
		£8	£2	£3		£3	£2	£7
£444.6	Tom Cotton	44	46	48		50	55	60	£2,076
		£4	£10	£8		£13	£2	£2
£674.6	Kristi Noem	50	55	60		70	80	120	£3,450
		£20	£1	£9		£4	£1	£12
£444.6	Tim Scott	60	65	70		80	85	140	£1,570
		£2	£2	£15		£40	£216	£2
-£722.6	Ivanka Trump	100	140	150		270	280	290	£1,889
		£3	£2	£4		£2	£2	£2
£444.6	Ben Sasse	250	260	310		920	930	960	£131
		£7	£2	£7		£2	£1	£2
£444.6	Rick Scott	260	270	280		870	880	890	£254
		£2	£2	£1		£2	£4	£3
£444.6	Marco Rubio	110	280	310		630	790	800	£734
		£10	£2	£5		£3	£2	£3
-£738.5	Donald Trump Jr.	200	210	230		280	290	300	£975
		£2	£2	£1		£3	£2	£2
£444.6	Mitt Romney	140	150	160		280	290	300	£697
		£3	£3	£4		£2	£1	£4
£444.6	Dan Crenshaw	300	310	330		630	640	670	£268
		£2	£1	£1		£2	£9	£2
£2,580.8	Paul Ryan	140	150	170		240	250	1000	£387
		£3	£4	£2		£2	£3	£6
£444.6	Kanye West	380	450	500		890	900	920	£176
		£4	£5	£1		£1	£2	£2
£444.6	Ben Carson	120	130	230		340	350	480	£936
		£5	£2	£7		£2	£7	£2
£444.6	Chris Christie	150	160	170		360	370	890	£337
		£5	£3	£2		£5	£6	£2
£444.6	Sarah Huckabee Sanders	270	640	1000		-	-	-	£19
		£2	£2	£5
£1,491.3	Liz Cheney	200	220	230		250	260	270	£290
		£7	£2	£5		£6	£13	£4
£1,499.3	Greg Abbott	200	210	220		290	300	310	£231
		£2	£4	£1		£4	£3	£2
£444.6	John Kasich	460	620	630		-	-	-	£54
		£2	£1	£2
£444.6	Evan McMullin	340	350	1000		-	-	-	£25
		£2	£2	£1
£444.6	Condoleezza Rice	290	300	1000		-	-	-	£26
		£1	£2	£6
£444.6	Lisa Murkowski	550	570	700		-	-	-	£27
		£3	£1	£1
£444.6	Rand Paul	360	370	380		750	760	790	£310
		£2	£4	£3		£2	£2	£2
£444.6	Jared Kushner	760	770	1000		-	-	-	£47
		£1	£2	£4
£444.6	Jeb Bush	680	810	860		1000	-	-	£129
		£2	£3	£2		£4
£444.6	Joni Ernst	280	300	880		-	-	-	£27
		£1	£2	£5
£444.6	Ben Shapiro	290	840	850		1000	-	-	£75
		£2	£5	£2		£3
£444.6	Matt Gaetz	250	260	1000		-	-	-	£263
		£2	£4	£9
£444.6	Tom Brady	280	350	360		700	890	900	£76
		£3	£2	£5		£8	£2	£2
£444.6	Jim Jordan	830	890	1000		-	-	-	£113
		£2	£2	£1
£444.6	Devin Nunes	340	760	1000		-	-	-	£17
		£3	£4	£4
£444.6	Lindsay Graham	820	830	1000		-	-	-	£21
		£2	£2	£3
£444.6	Bobby Jindal	330	910	1000		-	-	-	£13
		£3	£2	£7
£444.6	James Mattis	320	350	1000		-	-	-	£13
		£6	£2	£8
£444.6	Rick Perry	530	620	630		1000	-	-	£19
		£3	£1	£2		£2
£444.6	Rob Portman	810	820	830		-	-	-	£34
		£2	£2	£3
£444.6	Orrin Hatch	330	350	1000		-	-	-	£19
		£5	£2	£12
£444.6	Susan Collins	330	430	1000		-	-	-	£9
		£6	£2	£8
£444.6	Steve Bannon	410	420	1000		-	-	-	£27
		£2	£3	£18
£444.6	Mitch McConnell	820	830	1000		-	-	-	£16
		£2	£2	£5
£444.6	Eric Trump	730	740	1000		-	-	-	£40
		£1	£2	£24
£444.6	Winsome Sears	500	510	1000		-	-	-	£15
		£2	£2	£8
£1,404.6	Larry Hogan	100	110	160		490	500	790	£138
		£1	£2	£11		£2	£2	£2

Here are the ones on that Republican nominee market who don't count- Tucker Carlson, Josh Hawley, Ivanka Trump, Donald Trump Junior, Mitt Romney, Kanye West, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Liz Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Lisa Murkowski, Jared Kushner, Jeb Bush, Lindsay Graham, Susan Collins, Steve Bannon, Mitch McConnell, Eric Trump. Those are the names I recognise, there are probably a few others listed that are in the no hoper category.

Thanks PP, I've laid those in your list that are < 1,000 so all my reds are circa £700.

Squeezed another £19 onto my greens with out increasing my overall market liability

politicspunter • June 30, 2022 8:38 PM BST
DeSantis down to 4.3 on here on the outright market, Trump out to 4.9. Quite a gap in a short time.

Now 4.2 and 5.0.

De Santis now being cut to 3.75 in the outright market with some bookies. 5.0 Trump.

What was De Santis' stance on "stolen election" ?

Did he voice much an opinion on it either way? ( I thought he was a Trump fan boy/prodigy )

He's at 2.7 in the Rep Nominee market and I'm pondering laying him as 2.7 feel quite short with 2 years still to go

The only recent thing that I know for certain is that he has not requested any sort of endorsement from Trump. That suggests to me he is running, Trump or not.

his social media game is strong, that alone feels like he is going to run, he's been making waves a lot and his anti mandate talk for vaccines and masks have proved to be more and more popular.

and he is not a fossil...

What was De Santis' stance on "stolen election" ?

so far he's dodged the question

Jul 1, 2022 -- 6:24PM, A_T wrote:

What was De Santis' stance on "stolen election" ?so far he's dodged the question

Very wise.

He's got his hands full deciding on state abortion
Law, without dealing with hot potato of stop the steal.

Latest outright prices in American markets...

DeSantis 3.03
Biden 4.55
Trump 4.55
Harris 12.5
Buttigieg 16.7

Two Secret Service Sources Corroborate Hutchinson Testimony About Trump Demanding to Go to Capitol, CNN Reports

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/two-secret-service-sources-corroborate-hutchinson-testimony-about-trump-demanding-to-go-to-capitol-cnn-reports/
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CNN is reporting that two sources inside the Secret Service are corroborating Cassidy Hutchinson’s recent testimony that Donald Trump demanded to go to the Capitol on January 6 and was irate when his protective detail would not oblige.

In her explosive testimony before the congressional subcommittee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot, Hutchinson alleged Trump demanded to go to the Capitol with supporters he knew were armed and lunged at Robert Engel, the Secret Service agent in charge of his protective detail. Trump has denied this ever happened.
On Friday, CNN reported that two sources within the Secret Service have confirmed they heard stories about Trump’s behavior on Jan. 6 that are similar to Hutchinson’s allegations.

The agents confirmed Trump “angrily demanded to go to the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, and berated his protective detail when he didn’t get his way,” according to CNN reporters Noah Gray and Zachary Cohen. One of the sources allegedly heard directly from the driver of the vehicle. Hutchinson claimed Trump tried taking control of the steering wheel after discovering he was being taken back to the White House after his speech to supporters.

Neither source confirmed there was a physical altercation, but both said stories were going around in the weeks and months following January 6 regarding the incident.

“He had sort of lunged forward — it was unclear from the conversations I had that he actually made physical contact, but he might have. I don’t know,” one source told the outlet. “Nobody said Trump assaulted him; they said he tried to lunge over the seat — for what reason, nobody had any idea.”

That source also said there were numerous stories that circulated among agents about Trump’s “fits of anger,” which included throwing plates. Hutchinson testified she knew of at least one incident where the former president allegedly threw a plate of food against the wall in a moment of anger. Trump also denied this happened.
Another source did say Engel denied Trump attacked him or lunged for the steering wheel, but confirmed Hutchinson’s claim that Trump was demanding to be taken to the Capitol.

It was previously reported the Secret Service was ready to have agents testify before the committee and deny Hutchinson’s claim about Trump’s alleged altercation with Engel.

How is that corroborating Trump fighting for control of the steering wheel?

And how does his wanting to go to the Capitol show that he wanted people to break into it?

Do they think Trump was planning to climb through a window there

Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony of Trump’s altercation with Secret Service detail did happen, multiple reports say

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-secret-service-hutchinson-testimony-b2114153.html
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Investigative reporter Hunter Walker, who was covering the White House for Yahoo! News during the January 6 attack, took to Twitter to report that another source, this one with the DC Metropolitan Police Department, had told him a similar story to what Ms Hutchinson said.

“Back in April, a law enforcement source told me that they heard DC Metropolitan Police officers affiliated with the presidential motorcade share a story of Trump demanding to be drive to the Capitol and getting into an altercation with Secret Service on January 6,” he wrote. “I heard this story months before Cassidy Hutchinson went public with these allegations. I believed the story to be credible at the time because of the source”.

Jul 1, 2022 -- 6:11PM, politicspunter wrote:

The only recent thing that I know for certain is that he has not requested any sort of endorsement from Trump. That suggests to me he is running, Trump or not.

How could De Santis publicly request an endorsement from Trump?

Jul 1, 2022 -- 9:59PM, tobermory wrote:

How is that corroborating Trump fighting for control of the steering wheel?And how does his wanting to go to the Capitol show that he wanted people to break into it?Do they think Trump was planning to climb through a window there

Do you still think that she was making it all up?

Clearly wildly exaggerating.

Jul 1, 2022 -- 10:04PM, tobermory wrote:

Jul  1, 2022 --  6:11PM, politicspunter wrote:The only recent thing that I know for certain is that he has not requested any sort of endorsement from Trump. That suggests to me he is running, Trump or not.How could De Santis publicly request an endorsement from Trump?

Multiple GOP Primary candidates have requested endorsements from Trump, many of whom visited him at his residence in Florida.

Jul 1, 2022 -- 10:06PM, tobermory wrote:

Clearly wildly exaggerating.

Why would she? Her testimony is now being corroborated from multiple sources.

Imagine De Santis holding a press conference and saying 'I am asking Donald Trump to endorse me'. Would the most humiliating, career ending moment. If he wants his endorsement he would ask privately and we'd be none the wiser. Most likely he has no need of it as he should win comfortably.

Her testimony was that Trump was fighting for the steering wheel and had to be dragged away.

Well, let's not be too picky. My understanding is that DeSantis, or anyone connected with him, has not made an approach to Trump regarding a possible endorsement, nor has Trump offered one.

Jul 1, 2022 -- 1:40AM, Escapee wrote:

Interesting book TobermoryWe've got differing opinions on a few candidates, So take my views with a pinch of salt.I think you could squeeze another £15-20 of value by laying Hilary & Trump Jnr out to your current max red of 627, Both have about 1 million to 1 chance IMHO.

I can't recall why I backed Trump Jnr. With Hilary, i'm not sure she can be ruled out. If Kamala was the Democrat frontrunner and was 12pts down in the polls in late 2023, then I anyone who thinks they could do better would be tempted to have a go.

Jul 1, 2022 -- 10:10PM, tobermory wrote:

Her testimony was that Trump was fighting for the steering wheel and had to be dragged away.

Already corroborated that Trump did indeed lunge forward when told he would not be taken to the Capitol.

But how can anyone know if he asked for an endorsement? The only candidates that would make a show of wanting Trump to back them would be no names that desperately need the MAGA votes. De Santis has those in the bag. He doesn't need Trump to tell them which way to vote in Florida.

Jul 1, 2022 -- 10:12PM, tobermory wrote:

Jul 1, 2022 -- 1:40AM, Escapee wrote:Interesting book TobermoryWe've got differing opinions on a few candidates, So take my views with a pinch of salt.I think you could squeeze another £15-20 of value by laying Hilary & Trump Jnr out to your current max red of 627, Both have about 1 million to 1 chance IMHO.I can't recall why I backed Trump Jnr. With Hilary, i'm not sure she can be ruled out. If Kamala was the Democrat frontrunner and was 12pts down in the polls in late 2023, then I anyone who thinks they could do better would be tempted to have a go.

Trump Jnr always gets prompted by the GOP pollster McLaughlin and usually comes in the first three. I don't count Hillary. She is 74 now and there were doubts regarding her health in 2016.

Jul 1, 2022 -- 10:16PM, tobermory wrote:

But how can anyone know if he asked for an endorsement? The only candidates that would make a show of wanting Trump to back them would be no names that desperately need the MAGA votes. De Santis has those in the bag. He doesn't need Trump to tell them which way to vote in Florida.

A fair summary.

I think the De Santis price has near bottomed out for the forseeable. I cannot see what is conceivably gonna happen in the next 8-10 months that could make it any lower than 4.0. More likely he will drift back up above 5 before long.

Possibly. However, that would suggest A.N Other is going to come out of the pack to challenge the current two clear front runners. If they don't, the DeSantis price will just shorten, especially if he wins clearly in the Governor election in November where he is massive favourite.

I don't count Hillary. She is 74 now and there were doubts regarding her health in 2016.

True. Though even last time, after she had definitely been ruled out of running, I'm sure she came in to 20-25 at one point.

I just think the Democrat nomination will be up in the air if Biden indicates he won't run, and all kinds of people could be dropping below 20 in the betting.

Put it this way, if he wins that Florida Governor battle very easily, GOP donors are going to be falling over each other to fund a Presidential run and get Trump out of the way.

De Santis and Trump have almost all the republican % chance between them now.

So realistically De Santis can only shorten more if Trump drifts significantly.

Suppose Trump and DeSantis both run. How would you price it, assuming no one else is in the running?

I think Trump 1.5

That's why it doesn't make sense for De Santis. Being a supporter of Trump is a large part of his appeal, and he risks destroying that by challenging him.


He can wait for 2028.

If Trump doesn't run then De Santis likely will. I doubt Trump will formally declare before next June  but I still expect him to at this point.

I agree DeSantis may wait till 2028. The problem he may face, if he does that is that he has no idea how strong the Democrat candidate may be. Let's suppose for example, for 2024, Trump runs, DeSantis drops out and Trump wins. Then it's new candidate races for both parties in 2028, perhaps DeSantis best chance had gone. Then again if Biden runs in 2024 and wins, there is a strong chance that Kamala Harris would be the Democrat nominee in 2028 and DeSantis would be favourite against her I feel.

Newsom is probably the strongest Democrat for 2028.

But easier to beat him then, than to beat Trump for the nomination in 2024.

Trump is 1.4 to run in 2024 on here. I am far from convinced. There is so much going on, both in his political and business world, none of it very nice, that I have serious doubts he will go for it. There is always his age too. He isn't a young man and a couple of recent pictures without the sprayed on tan and hairspray, don't paint him in a good light, so to speak. If he does run, there are moderates and independents, together with around 15% of his own party, who will not vote for him under any circumstances.

Something that the DeSantis team might be considering is that Trump is poor in debates. DeSantis seems very confident when speaking and he could give Trump a great deal of trouble if he was his opponent.

Trump likely announces first and tries to tie up the GOP support. DeSantis will assess how that goes and his chance of beating him before announcing a run.

Hilary; When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ?

De Santis;  I'm far from being an expert but it would seem 2028 is his best chance, he might run or put in a good showing in 2024 just for the publicity, but as with Hilary, When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ? so he will want to time his one chance well and may well pull out of the nominee race if he thinks the Reps might lose to the incumbent.

I haven't layed De Santis (yet).

Assuming trump is planning a run...

If desantis launches before trump, or around same time
even, he may well become a totem for the party and become,
by default, a popular candidate.

Others may look and see if they join, they take
votes from desantis and not trump, letting trump
win.... So don't run.

He's certainly in prime spot at the mo

Jul 2, 2022 -- 11:42AM, Escapee wrote:

Hilary; When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ? De Santis;

Escapee • July 2, 2022 11:42 AM BST
Hilary; When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ?

Trump?

Jul 2, 2022 -- 12:00PM, politicspunter wrote:

Escapee • July 2, 2022 11:42 AM BSTHilary; When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ?Trump?

He's going to be the first president to win three times

wtf are you talking about

Trump to announce a run in 2023 is surging on American markets, it's now 50/50.

Alex Jones, a conservative journalist and radio host says Trump will announce a run on Monday, independence day.

Excellent

he's running for be president in 2023?

Alex Jones, a conservative journalist and radio host

he's hardly a journalist - he's a conspiracy theorist. he denied that the Sandy Hook massacre of schoolkids was real - as a result he got his clock cleaned in court

Hilary; When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ?

Trump?

They haven't given him a 2nd go yet, and my money is betting they won't give him a 2nd go after he lost  2020.


Good luck with your bets, or in Timber's case, good luck with your delusions

When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ?

Nixon

Hilary; When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ?

Hilary polled 3 million more votes than Trump

Jul 2, 2022 -- 12:41PM, A_T wrote:

When has any party given an election loser a 2nd go ?Nixon

Ah, right enough.

Stevenson had 2 goes at it, losing to Eisenhower twice.

Well if Trump or Hilary wins either nomination, I lose my money, such is life.

Both of them lost the last election they stood in, seems crazy that the big backers would risk Billions or Trillions on  known losers.

How can kilary stand when she's locked up?

Lock her up, lock her up!

Jul 2, 2022 -- 12:29PM, A_T wrote:

he's running for be president in 2023?

Running in 2024, announcing it before 2023. Now 1.70.

The USA punters seem very fickle, wild swings on the slightest news and then it usually just fades out.

They sure do.

hmmmmm, Gavin Newsom is running TV ads in Florida

California state Sen. Brian Dahle, the Bieber Republican challenging Newsom in the November governor’s race, said Newsom’s interest in national prominence comes at a cost in California. Dahle said his opponent should focus on lowering gas and energy costs for residents in his state.

“I think he’s focused on running for president, and it’s unfortunate,” Dahle said. “I’m getting calls every day from people who are struggling in California.”

Newsom’s assertions about having a “sub-zero” interest in the White House ring hollow when he focusing on national politics and buying ads in another state, said Sacramento-based Democratic political strategist Andrew Acosta.

“When the governor protests that it’s not on his radar, but he makes these moves, it makes political folks roll their eyes and say, ‘Of course he’s running,’” Acosta said.

good article about Newsom's prospects here

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/article263060073.html

Yes, he has a lot going for him and a few here (me included) have backed him. However, will he even get a sniff at it? Biden runs, the rest are out the window.