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politicspunter
17 Oct 20 08:37
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This is the difference when you deal with the Covid pandemic properly instead of our shambolic PM.
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Report mafeking October 17, 2020 7:31 PM BST
long time since the labour party lived up to its name. blair started it but long time since they've had the interests of the ordinary worker at heart. don't even attempt to get them to vote labour anymore
Report Try My Best October 17, 2020 7:43 PM BST
I think the indigenous people from Australia where I grew up and New Zealand have not been treated very well and are under represented. The whites have have taken their lands and now treat them as second class citizens. They have very little voice and thought that would be an area where Ardern could have done better. They have poor housing and struggle educationally. Housing was a promise she has not kept and so was child poverty. She has got back in because of her Co-vid response which as I said was commendable and not on other promises she made in 2016. She became PM after getting battered in that 2016 election and as always Winston Peters decides who becomes PM.
Report n88uk October 18, 2020 12:16 AM BST
There's a clear trend. The right wing populists have seen their approval ratings tank as they get shown up as bluffers and chancers, while the left wing governments see their approval ratings rise off the back of their competence handling the crisis. Remember many here celebrating Boris' incompetence last December as making him one of the lads.
Report n88uk October 18, 2020 12:18 AM BST
Meanwhile you get thickos like this:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1317465601015750656

Written by someone who doesn't even know the capital of New Zealand.
Report Facts October 18, 2020 2:39 AM BST
Foinavon    17 Oct 20 12:39 
I am looking at the facts that Jacinda Ardern was returned as PM, as polling said she would and I bet accordingly.

Your opening post has nothing to do with polling and attempts to criticise the PM over his handling of the coronavirus situation.



I think the world and his wife realises Boris Johnson and the Tory government have made a complete and utter shambles of dealing with the pandemic in the UK.
Report Cider October 18, 2020 10:25 AM BST

Oct 17, 2020 -- 6:16PM, n88uk wrote:


There's a clear trend. The right wing populists have seen their approval ratings tank as they get shown up as bluffers and chancers, while the left wing governments see their approval ratings rise off the back of their competence handling the crisis. Remember many here celebrating Boris' incompetence last December as making him one of the lads.


The vast majority of msm, sm platforms and browser platforms in the west are incredibly sympathetic to left wing governments, and seek to undermine right leaning governments given any opportunity. The 'left' are great at spin. You only have to look on here, pp judging Sturgeon's competency via a bl00dy poll, faced with the actual facts he first tries to dodge them, and then scuttles off.

Report politicspunter October 18, 2020 10:42 AM BST
Ah Cider, when will you ever learn that your personal opinion is just that, an opinion, nothing else.
Report politicspunter October 18, 2020 10:43 AM BST
And it's the same with meGrin
Report Cider October 18, 2020 11:11 AM BST
Assessment/judgement/opinion pretty interchangeable.

When you look at the established facts, the raw data, not how people 'feel', are you trying to claim Scotland is doing well in tackling covid 19 currently, is that your opinion?
Report edy October 18, 2020 11:11 AM BST

Oct 18, 2020 -- 4:25AM, Cider wrote:


Oct 18, 2020 -- 12:16AM, n88uk wrote:There's a clear trend. The right wing populists have seen their approval ratings tank as they get shown up as bluffers and chancers, while the left wing governments see their approval ratings rise off the back of their competence handling the crisis. Remember many here celebrating Boris' incompetence last December as making him one of the lads.The vast majority of msm, sm platforms and browser platforms in the west are incredibly sympathetic to left wing governments, and seek to undermine right leaning governments given any opportunity. The 'left' are great at spin. You only have to look on here, pp judging Sturgeon's competency via a bl00dy poll, faced with the actual facts he first tries to dodge them, and then scuttles off.


wrong

Report edy October 18, 2020 11:14 AM BST
The media are vastly right-wing or centre-right. As all proper right-wingers, they are of course critical of the weirdo cringe-righters (in the case of Boris pretendy weirdo cringe-righter) that currently occupy the White House and No. 10.
Report politicspunter October 18, 2020 11:19 AM BST

Oct 18, 2020 -- 5:11AM, Cider wrote:


Assessment/judgement/opinion pretty interchangeable.When you look at the established facts, the raw data, not how people 'feel', are you trying to claim Scotland is doing well in tackling covid 19 currently, is that your opinion?


Cider, surely there must be plenty of folks on multiple internet forums who would relish discussing in minute detail the Covid 19 situation in Scotland with you. Please understand that I am not one of them.

Report Cider October 18, 2020 11:25 AM BST
As I have repeated already, YOU are the poster who brought Sturgeon's handing of covid 19 onto this very thread (by inference). You are now avoiding a direct, but unpalatable for you, direct question on your assertion. It's very understandable, as facts are uncomfortable for people of the left.
Report saddo October 18, 2020 11:27 AM BST
That piece goes to great lengths to explain that there are lots of ways of defining poverty and many estimates are overestimates donny. You just stuck up a bunch of numbers which are guesswork.
Report politicspunter October 18, 2020 11:28 AM BST
Well, as I am a traditional Conservative voter, you obviously don't include me.Grin
Report Cider October 18, 2020 11:33 AM BST
People can and do change allegiances, it's quite obvious you are on the woke/collectivist side of politics now, whatever direction you may have voted in the past. A small c conservative believes uppermost in personal responsibility, you evidently do not.
Report edy October 18, 2020 11:35 AM BST
Woke Love

The favourite term of the cringe-right Love
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 18, 2020 11:35 AM BST
I know there are many ways to define poverty

I've discussed it with many on here before, as I have my preferred method.

The argument here seemed to be make up a load of data or post actual figures.

If folk wish to rely upon made up figures I shall let them get on with it.

Insults only highlight lacking.
Report Cider October 18, 2020 11:38 AM BST

Oct 18, 2020 -- 5:35AM, edy wrote:


Woke The favourite term of the cringe-right


Do you have a better term for someone who believes in immutable characteristics over personal responsibility and individual character and achievements?

Report edy October 18, 2020 11:41 AM BST
Not spontaneously.

Though does politicspunter even believe in immutable characteristics over personal responsibility and individual character and achievements or are you using "woke" in a very inflationary way like all the weirdo cringe-right sheep?
Report politicspunter October 18, 2020 11:41 AM BST

Oct 18, 2020 -- 5:33AM, Cider wrote:


People can and do change allegiances, it's quite obvious you are on the woke/collectivist side of politics now, whatever direction you may have voted in the past. A small c conservative believes uppermost in personal responsibility, you evidently do not.


You are mistaken in your opinion.

Report Cider October 18, 2020 11:43 AM BST
You are not woke or collectivist, that's news to the Politics forum Laugh
Report politicspunter October 18, 2020 11:51 AM BST
Well, yet again, that is your opinion and you are most welcome to express it. It's not fact though.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 18, 2020 11:52 AM BST
conservative


averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values
Report Cider October 18, 2020 11:57 AM BST
I would consider myself opposed to change for change's sake, predicated on woke/identity/virtue signalling based nonsense. I work for a saas company, entirely cloud based, at the cutting edge of technology, so love innovation Happy Traditional family values, like personal responsibility, check.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:01 PM BST
virtue-signalling - another one of those cringe-right staples used very inflationary.

identity - curiously enough the average cringe-righter is obsessed with national identity and stuff, while calling everyone else identity obsessed
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:04 PM BST
Average cringe-righter also identity obsessed when it comes to THEM vs. LUVVIE LEFT.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:07 PM BST
We, the good people, the true patriots, defending the occident and our nations from the godless barstewards of the virtue-signalling woke left that want to destroy our nations, our national identity, who we are.
Report Cider October 18, 2020 12:12 PM BST
It's just a generic term that covers fake symbolism or discourse to try and promote one's self as a good person. Anyone who uses terms like 'LGBQ+' 'BAME' or confected symbols like a rainbow flag, clapping outside the door for the NHS, avatars wearing a mask, black squares et al. Please. I often find that they are actually the intolerant r soles.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:14 PM BST
Blanket assuming that it's fake symbolism without any deeper knowledge about the individual person sounds quite collectivist and intolerant to me.
Report Cider October 18, 2020 12:15 PM BST
National identity is completely different, that defines who we are as a culture. It doesn't matter whether you have ginger hair, black skin, or a c0ck, we can all be proud of our national culture. A lot of the issues are caused by people who want to live in a country but pursue a different culture, or import their own.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:15 PM BST
Not that it surprises me. Unlike real right-wingers, cringe-righters are very culty and sheeply.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:18 PM BST

Oct 18, 2020 -- 6:15AM, Cider wrote:


National identity is completely different, that defines who we are as a culture. It doesn't matter whether you have ginger hair, black skin, or a c0ck, we can all be proud of our national culture. A lot of the issues are caused by people who want to live in a country but pursue a different culture, or import their own.


"Alright, you got me, but the way I'm obsessed about identity is totes different, mmkay?"

Report Cider October 18, 2020 12:25 PM BST
There's a massive difference in believing someone who is born with an immutable characteristic has to conform to a certain identity, and expecting someone to conform to a national identity. If people don't like England's culture, they can live somewhere that feels more aligned to their own cultural identity if they so wish. Not to change England's culture to what they think it should be. And yes I am the son of an immigrant to this country.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:27 PM BST
t doesn't matter whether you have ginger hair, black skin, or a c0ck, we can all be proud of our national culture

To pick up on that: So the identity obsessed loony left are the only ones for whom it matters whether someone is black, has a **** where there used to be a vagina, has boobs where there only used to be moobs, wants to marry the same sex?
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:27 PM BST
What is England's culture?
Report Cider October 18, 2020 12:31 PM BST
I can only speak for myself, I consider myself a small c conservative, I care about none of those things. I do care about your demonstrated values (not symbols), how you treat me and how you treat other people. You can do anything you like as far as I'm concerned as long as it's within the boundaries of the law and doesn't affect anyone else.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:36 PM BST
doesn't affect anyone else.

That's all nice and good to say at the first sight. Gay marriage does hurt the feelings of some religious weirdos.

Why do you seem to care about people using terms "like 'LGBQ+' 'BAME' or confected symbols like a rainbow flag, clapping outside the door for the NHS, avatars wearing a mask, black squares et al". Does it affect you seeing someone wave a rainbow flag. It doesn't at all, does it? So why be up in arms about it and assume it's all virtue-signalling without you even knowing the person who does it? Why not just let that person do whatever he wants? It is within their personal liberty and laws.
Report Cider October 18, 2020 12:38 PM BST

Oct 18, 2020 -- 6:27AM, edy wrote:


What is England's culture?


Strong sense of humour and humility, traditional family values, strong work ethic, policing by consent, deference, selflessness, deep respect for tradition. Captain Tom became a worldwide phenomenon I would say as he was a great example of what it means to be English.

Report edy October 18, 2020 12:46 PM BST
Strong sense of humour and humility, traditional family values, strong work ethic, policing by consent, deference, selflessness, deep respect for tradition. Captain Tom became a worldwide phenomenon I would say as he was a great example of what it means to be English.

Ha, and yet you guys overwhelmingly voted for Boris.
Report Cider October 18, 2020 12:58 PM BST
It was a choice of two, well the other one was Corbyn so effectively no choice but Boris.
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:58 PM BST
Do you not feel it hurts the conservation or strenghtening of "humility, traditional family values, strong work ethic, deference, selflessness, deep respect for tradition" if you have the antithesis of all those leading the country?
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:58 PM BST
The Tory members had a choice
Report edy October 18, 2020 12:59 PM BST
and even these Uberconservatives, the Conservatives with a capital C, overwhelmingly supported someone that goes against most of the things they are supposed to strongly believe in.
Report edy October 18, 2020 1:04 PM BST
Either way, let's get back to my 12:36 PM post.

Why do you care about it when people (in your opinion without you even knowing the people) virtue-signal? Why not just let them do as they wish as it is within their personal liberty, it is within the laws, and it doesn't affect you if they wave around rainbow flags or post black squares on their instagram accounts?
Report Cider October 18, 2020 1:04 PM BST
The Conservative party in not free from issue. Far from it. However they remained more aligned to my values and English values than any other mainstream party. Politics is a compromise and no party delivers everything you want, or believe is right.
Report Cider October 18, 2020 1:08 PM BST

Oct 18, 2020 -- 7:04AM, edy wrote:


Either way, let's get back to my 12:36 PM post.Why do you care about it when people (in your opinion without you even knowing the people) virtue-signal? Why not just let them do as they wish as it is within their personal liberty, it is within the laws, and it doesn't affect you if they wave around rainbow flags or post black squares on their instagram accounts?


It's not necessarily the virtue signalling in itself that is damaging, it's the perceived compulsion or expectation to comply. The ridiculous kneeling in the prem is a good example.

Report edy October 18, 2020 1:09 PM BST
Well, deference is a good ol' English value.
Report edy October 18, 2020 1:11 PM BST
Stop being so anti-English, stop being a migrant child that tries to change English culture and values. Kneel and wear your mask.
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 2:17 PM BST

Facts18 Oct 20 02:39Joined: 05 May 03 | Topic/replies: 28,039 | Blogger: Facts's blog
Foinavon    17 Oct 20 12:39
I am looking at the facts that Jacinda Ardern was returned as PM, as polling said she would and I bet accordingly.

Your opening post has nothing to do with polling and attempts to criticise the PM over his handling of the coronavirus situation.



I think the world and his wife realises Boris Johnson and the Tory government have made a complete and utter shambles of dealing with the pandemic in the UK.


I was not attempting to defend Johnson who deserves criticism not for what he did in March when the situation was little understood but for what he's done recently. My post was simply exposing a bit of forum hypocrisy which would be clear if you read the context.

Ardern has been the beneficiary of favourable circumstances, nothing more, nothing less. The credit is well overdone.
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 2:31 PM BST
Cider
Cider18 Oct 20 13:08Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 38,677 | Blogger: Cider's blog
Oct 18, 2020 -- 1:04PM, edy wrote:

Either way, let's get back to my 12:36 PM post.Why do you care about it when people (in your opinion without you even knowing the people) virtue-signal? Why not just let them do as they wish as it is within their personal liberty, it is within the laws, and it doesn't affect you if they wave around rainbow flags or post black squares on their instagram accounts?


It's not necessarily the virtue signalling in itself that is damaging, it's the perceived compulsion or expectation to comply. The ridiculous kneeling in the prem is a good example.


Of course it is and you can add clapping for the NHS and the nefarious cancel culture if you step out of line on intersectionality.
Report Charlie October 18, 2020 2:34 PM BST
Cider
Strong sense of humour and humility, traditional family values, strong work ethic, policing by consent, deference, selflessness, deep respect for tradition. Captain Tom became a worldwide phenomenon I would say as he was a great example of what it means to be English.

Sort of rules you out then:

humour: you have none
humility: you are the most conceited person ever to post on here
traditional family values: you don't like people
strong work ethic: you spend far too much time on here for that
policing by consent: people want lockdown yet you argue non-stop against it
deference: you are always arguing and show no respect to those that argue against you
selflessness: you aren't concerned with the needs and wishes of others
deep respect for tradition: the Labour Party has a long tradition yet you continually slag them off.
Report mafeking October 18, 2020 2:41 PM BST
the implication that boris has mismanaged the crisis far worse than say macron whom presumably the pro EU lobby on here can't praise enough or the socialist government in spain is just preposterous nonsense
Report edy October 18, 2020 2:44 PM BST
"Cancel culture" has a long tradition among humans. From cancelling people that are different (non-religious, wrong religion, gay etc., wrong colour), to people that protested certain things, to people that are not deemed the right kind of patriotic.
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 2:47 PM BST
That's true but doesn't make it right.
Report edy October 18, 2020 2:53 PM BST
...to trying to cancel good gestures and political movements by wrongly and inflationary dismissing them as virtue-signalling or even dangerous.
Report Charlie October 18, 2020 2:55 PM BST
inflammatory
Report Charlie October 18, 2020 2:56 PM BST
not inflationary
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 3:02 PM BST
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"
We could joke about such things in 1970 and did.
Events in Paris show that is no longer the case.

Who decides what is good or bad, edy?
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:15 PM BST
I do

Look, all I'm saying is that we should stop trying to pretend like "cancel culture" is an inherently left-wing thing. Cringe-righters constantly defame and lie about things and people with the aim of discrediting and canceling folks and opinions.
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:16 PM BST
It's their friggin' main method of operation.
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:17 PM BST
"The Democrats are a satanic pedophile cabal that hides pure, white children in tunnels under pizza parlors!"
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:17 PM BST
...I mean...
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:22 PM BST
Blanket use of "You are just virtue-signalling!" in itself is also primarily used to discredit someone's opinions and actions. Often used without knowing the person or the intentions behind the actions. Not caring whether it's really "virtue-signalling" or not.
Report Charlie October 18, 2020 3:25 PM BST
edy
Without using the terms virtue-signalling, woke, radical and cancel culture some people on here couldn't string a coherent sentence together.
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 3:29 PM BST
Do you think it's right that someone loses their job because the mob find something they don't like on the internet?

Do the mob decide? (or the Pope or Ayatollah Khomeini or Kier Starmer or Nigel Farage or Moses or anyone else you can think of?)
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:34 PM BST
The company decides whether they want to keep paying employees that damage the company in the view of the staff chief or company owners.

#GoWokeGoBroke Cool

Sorry, meant

#KeepPeopleThatDisagreeWithTheConstitutionalOrderGoBroke Cool
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:38 PM BST
With that said, I thought it was quite rude and wrong of the right-wing to cancel Milo at Breitbart when they found something from years ago on the internet about his upbringing and counseling as a young gay man.
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:39 PM BST
and not just at Breitbart, but also his book deal and all-around.
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 3:40 PM BST
So how is the damage to the company done? By the tweet or by the mob who disagree with it?

Is it OK if you agree with the mob on that particular issue or not if you don't?
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 3:43 PM BST
Is JK Rowling who has rightly or wrongly been labelled a TERF, right or wrong?
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:45 PM BST
I do not think she's right in her opinions on that topic, but I still value my Harry Potter wand collection and will never destroy it.
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:46 PM BST
I mean, I ain't one of those #GoTERFGoBroke folks that would burn the Harry Potter books, or cut out the logos out of their Harry Potter socks.
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:49 PM BST
Just like I am not, unlike the right-wingers, one of those #PraiseOlderGayMenForGroomingYouGoBroke folks that cancelled Milo.
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 3:50 PM BST
Can't argue with a Harry Potter wand collection Cool

I find it strange that tweets from years back have done no damage at all until they are unearthed and presented to the baying hounds to froth and foam over, don't you?
Report edy October 18, 2020 3:59 PM BST
Opinions change and people do wisen up sometimes.

Like, right now we call other people gammons for fun and to elevate ourselves above them, but our children will probably realize that all we really did was create a world of hurt for those people and that it was big time lameballs.

You can find other examples regarding maybe casual racism, outright racism, sexism, anti-gay propaganda or other things that used to be perfectly acceptable, often even expected from us, that in reality are quite lame.

What I do agree with you, if you were trying to say this, is that there's a whole bunch of hysteria being amplified on social media. Comparatively minor things are often hyped up as something monumental in the respective echo chambers. Remember when all hell broke loose among the cringe-righters when they found AOC do a dance video during her college days? Or Gamergate, Pizzagate, Obamagate etc.
Report edy October 18, 2020 4:01 PM BST
Or when people hyped each other into a total frenzy when Gillette did a commercial calling for men to be civilised humans, or folks started burning their Nike gear when the company launched an ad campaign with Kaepernick.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 18, 2020 4:09 PM BST
Or when kids and their parents in Sunderland refused to eat sugar puffs because the honeymonster was advertising them wearing a black and white shirt...
Report edy October 18, 2020 4:13 PM BST
Laugh cool story
Report Foinavon October 18, 2020 4:14 PM BST
Some things have gotten out of hand, edy. I don't have the answer and if I did, no one would listen to me.
I'm going back to sleep now as I have some therapeutic footy trading to do while making the most of my subscription to the hated Murdoch channel. (does he still own it?)
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 18, 2020 4:21 PM BST
Around 15 years after the honeymonster scored the winner for keegan he was still
a figure of hate in Sunderland, so
much so that the company got him kitted out in Sunderland kit for an advert.

But sales were slow to pick up in Sunderland.
Report edy October 18, 2020 4:23 PM BST
People in Sunderland do take their footy quite seriously, don't they?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 18, 2020 4:34 PM BST
Newcastle were playing well at the time.

The two cities have a rivalry dating back to before the english civil war because the king
gave Newcastle shipping rights. Then Sunderland ended up on cromwells side in civil war
when they were base for scottish troops supporting parliament who defeated Newcastle based royalists.

When cromwell died the new King restored Newcastles shipping rights.

Some folk would gladly reenact the battles
Report edy October 18, 2020 4:39 PM BST
When I read that I was wondering if the Brits ever did actual re-enactments of the civil war battles as jolly awesome festivities like you sometimes see from the US in movies or TV shows. Then on wikipedia I read

American Civil War reenactment is an effort to recreate the appearance of a particular battle or other event associated with the American Civil War by hobbyists known (in the United States) as Civil War reenactors, or living historians.

Although most common in the United States, there are also American Civil War reenactors in Canada, the United Kingdom,[1] Germany,[2] Australia,[3] Italy,[4] Denmark,[5] Sweden, and Poland.[6]


You ever see those actually happening in the UK? 'Cuz I didn't know we Germans supposedly do that until I read that on wikipedia.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 18, 2020 4:45 PM BST
Tends to be more popular in the places where the battles were fought

But there's deffo a reenactment society
who are all very friendly about it.

ecws.co.uk probably has details
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 18, 2020 4:56 PM BST
We even have a Richard the third society

He was defeated in wars of the roses which was another uk civil war...

They tracked down his grave to a supermarket carpark and we had lots
of programs on tv.

He was painted as a bad guy by Shakespeare
in his play. Richard 3 usurped
power from his young nephews who he probably
murdered in Tower of London.

The Richard 3 society have been trying
to rehabilitate Richard in terms of uk history. He was the last king of uk from house of York, and last plantagenet monarch. And iirc last monarch to die in battle.
Report ian merseyside October 21, 2020 7:10 PM BST
25 new Covid cases in New Zealand today, that's the highest number they have had since April.  I thought she declared they had eradicated Covid a couple of months back, she was even photographed cracking open a bottle of bubbly to celebrate.
Report politicspunter October 21, 2020 7:16 PM BST
Did you think it couldn't come back?
Report ian merseyside October 21, 2020 7:23 PM BST
I always thought it would come back.  I think they will suffer quite badly when they properly open up their borders again, unless a vaccine comes to the rescue.
Report mafeking October 21, 2020 7:34 PM BST
surely not a coincidence that virtually all the worst death rates in europe in the "2nd wave" are eastern european nations who escaped relatively untouched in the spring but now have little or no resistance built up in the population
Report ian merseyside October 21, 2020 7:49 PM BST
I think that is essentially what is happening in the UK right now.  London has built up significant immunity and is coping far better with the "second wave" than Liverpool and Manchester which weren't hit hard early on.  It suggests to me that herd immunity is a factor here, although Hancock will not hear of it.
Report lfc1971 October 21, 2020 8:57 PM BST
New Zealand has benefitted from being part of the British Empire . But it’s still an economy based on agriculture
May not be sustainable .
Report sageform October 22, 2020 5:37 PM BST
If New Zealand hasn't closed its borders until Covid has been eliminated in other countries then it should do. It is the most isolated country in the world. What is wrong with an economy based on Agriculture? Everyone needs food and a minimum of clothing. Everything else is discretionary spending.
Report thegiggilo October 22, 2020 5:52 PM BST
Meanwhile 21,000 cases here and another 189 deaths...those schools being the main spreaders..
Report tobermory October 22, 2020 6:27 PM BST
15% of New Zealand's workforce were employed in tourism.

What are they doing for a living now Confused
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 22, 2020 6:30 PM BST
Over 94,000 jobs are directly related to tourism - over 4% of the workforce.

Immigration New Zealand has lists of skill shortages.

If you are offered a job which appears on one of these lists and you have the qualifications and experience to match, getting a work visa will be easier. This is because the government has identified that employers need to recruit people from overseas to help meet demand for your skills.
Report tobermory October 22, 2020 6:51 PM BST
Seems I had some wrong info with 15%

Still, this official sounding link states 8.4% of workforce

https://www.tourismnewzealand.com/about/about-the-tourism-industy/

As well as...

Tourism generated a direct contribution to gross domestic product (GDP) of $16.2 billion, or 5.8 percent of GDP.
Tourism is our biggest export industry, contributing 21% of foreign exchange earnings.
The indirect value added of industries supporting tourism generated an additional $11.2 billion, or 4.0 percent of GDP.

As we saw from the Czech Republic, 'eliminating the virus' only works if the rest of the world eliminates it too. So tough times ahead.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 22, 2020 6:56 PM BST
Lots of new Zealanders holiday internally or in Australia. Internal holidays are fine, staycations, external tourists are not being allowed in.

My figures were off government site
Report tobermory October 22, 2020 7:10 PM BST
Internal holidays are fine

Fair point. Though the foreign exchange earnings missed seem very substantial.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 22, 2020 7:18 PM BST
Big loss, they will have to sell more lamb.
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