UK going back into full lockdown

Boris and Professors 'Gloom and Doom' to address the nation tomorrow.

Hopefully it will be to admit their mistakes and tell us we are free to do as we wish.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8784567/Minister-suffers-car-crash-interview-lockdown-rules.html

I think we've known this for a while but it wont be a full lockdown because you'll still be going to work

It'll be a full shutting down of the social activities

71 deaths from Covid recorded yesterday. That will bolster their reasons for any further measures.

That's the standard weekend sweep, more or less three days added together.

As expected, new positive cases are leveling off. New hospital admissions are actually falling.

Of course, vested interests will spin the numbers as we've become oh so used to by now.

71 "deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test" - so deaths from something else then.

Riots can't be far away if this farce continues or is tightened.

Date of death is a much better measure (England). Some of these may increase slightly still.

27-09-2020    25   
26-09-2020    31   
25-09-2020    23   
24-09-2020    24   
23-09-2020    46   
22-09-2020    32

England positive tests by specimen date:

24-09-2020    5,074   
23-09-2020    4,914   
22-09-2020    5,120   
21-09-2020    4,588   
20-09-2020    4,334   
19-09-2020    4,148   
18-09-2020    4,224   
17-09-2020    3,912

ONS

Of the deaths registered in Week 38, 139 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 1.5% of all deaths in England and Wales; this is an increase compared with Week 37 (40 deaths higher).

The numbers of deaths in hospitals and care homes were below the five-year average in Week 38 (365 and 68 fewer deaths respectively), while the number of deaths in private homes remained above the five-year average (711 more deaths).

The fear killing people not covid 19.

I’m not by any means a Covid denyer but I don’t think it makes sense to change the measures in place now. I’d expect admissions and deaths to continue to rise for a couple more weeks based on the increase in the circulating virus but at a fairly gentle slope. Then we need to reassess. The current level of virus isn’t apparently causing anything like the heath crisis we had in March and April and it won’t unless cases rise much further still, which I doubt they will based on what’s already in place.

The novel virus exists but the world has lost its collective perspective in about as big a way as you could imagine. It's so inept from nearly every developed country it really does make you feel like something more sinister is afoot at times.

The charts for Spain France and Italy all show cause for optimism.

While Sweden looks on and smiles.

Sep 29, 2020 -- 4:51PM, feedthepony wrote:

71 "deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test" - so deaths from something else then.Riots can't be far away if this farce continues or is tightened.

Its uncoordinated, disorganised mess of riots they want though, my cousin was down London at the weekend (yes he's an Icke supporter) and said it wont be long until buildings start going, its getting to that point now

I've told him not to join in, told him not to go down there and be a part of it but he's a disenfranchised young man who's got no job and no real "prospects, he seems excited about the "coming war", its what they want its why they've ruined the working classes, they are going to be led to the slaughter by blokes like Icke

Young men like this will be getting ready, they've been conditioned for this all their lives and the sad part is they've been had but I understand them deeply, what's the point of living in this mad house? might as well go down fighting and all that

Men are used and abused and sent to war for the "greater good"

But women are the one's who are abused remember that

Stupid regulations now 14 day quarentine for all those returning from Iceland what about tescos and lidl ?

It makes think theres a war coming, a war we've never really seen before

Like there's a push from certain areas to get the young on board, a push from another side to get coppers on board etc

Its like there's recruiting going on

What's the big surprise ? We were told six months ago that a 2nd wave was planned for October

They did keep pushing that and its no shock for me

Its just the shoddy way they've gone about it, they can't even be bothered to BS us with actual numbers anymore its just straight up "well that's that we're in lockdown"

Cider • September 29, 2020 4:54 PM BST
England positive tests by specimen date:

24-09-2020    5,074   
23-09-2020    4,914   
22-09-2020    5,120   
21-09-2020    4,588   
20-09-2020    4,334   
19-09-2020    4,148   
18-09-2020    4,224   
17-09-2020    3,912

Cider • September 29, 2020 4:51 PM BST
Date of death is a much better measure (England). Some of these may increase slightly still.

27-09-2020    25   
26-09-2020    31   
25-09-2020    23   
24-09-2020    24   
23-09-2020    46   
22-09-2020    32

Mortality rate = < 1% (Based on the assumption that died 'from' rather than 'with' - probably even fewer deaths 'from').
Hardly 'deadly' (compared with seasonal flu mortality rate) . Hardly a 'pandemic' (given the definition of pandemic) .

Analysis of the statistics issued by the state and driven by WHO point towards something far more sinister than just 'protecting the people'

Regarding the whole pub/club debate its a case of this.

Its a curfew they put in place, it got the desired effect with the "no social distancing" on leaving the frigging clubs/pubs etc at 10pm because well EVERYONE is being thrown out at the same time ffs... but oh no we must shut them permanently you can't be trusted.... Its so fooking stupid by this point, its like a psyop brought to you by the dummies for the mentally zombied.

Never a truer comment

The public are being taken for absolute cants by a bunch of dummies

Reynard-

Mortality rate = < 1% (Based on the assumption that died 'from' rather than 'with' - probably even fewer deaths 'from').
Hardly 'deadly' (compared with seasonal flu mortality rate) . Hardly a 'pandemic' (given the definition of pandemic) .

Share your definition of pandemic that this doesn’t meet and your estimate for the mortality of seasonal ‘flu?

The whole "stay home save lives protect the NHS" message which was the main message, the original message was the one that should have been adhered to throughout summer

The government then eased it all but that original message was broken when people started going out and eating/drinking etc

Its a silly game of rules/broken rules

Ultimately it didn't matter what you did the end result was the same it was always coming down to this

Either a 2nd wave or a collapsed economy, the cheating bas*ards were never letting you win regardless, you just got to choose which leg was amputated

Fatslogger - Pandemics are diseases/plagues that have a mortality rate of more than a fraction of those who contract it eg. Black Death (killed 100+million) , Smallpox .
Mortality rate for seasonal flu is between 1-2% according to ONS .

That’s not the accepted definition of pandemic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic

It’s also not a mortality rate for seasonal ‘flu that I or google recognises. It’s usually estimated (it’s surprisingly difficult to be precise) at about a tenth of that. Can you provide supporting evidence?

Sep 29, 2020 -- 7:31PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

The whole "stay home save lives protect the NHS" message which was the main message, the original message was the one that should have been adhered to throughout summer The government then eased it all but that original message was broken when people started going out and eating/drinking etcIts a silly game of rules/broken rules

Did you know that incidence rates in the Pakistani population are eight times that of the Indian population.

Fatslogger - I advise you to follow state guidelines and keep up to speed with daily news bulletins . That way you won't go far wrong

Sep 29, 2020 -- 8:36PM, Reynard wrote:

Fatslogger - I advise you to follow state guidelines and keep up to speed with daily news bulletins . That way you won't go far wrong

So you don’t have evidence to support your claim that ‘flu mortality is 1-2% but do know how to access smileys?

I have to say, that’s a good reply.

You are correct ................................. for once

Don’t push it. Smileys instead of having any actual backing for the stuff you make up will only take you so far.

er

Sep 29, 2020 -- 8:58PM, Reynard wrote:

er

Back on form.

I think there will be an awful lot of us that take zero notice of any lockdown Boris might announce. Maybe a voluntary lockdown for cowards only would be a good compromise.

We've had that for months, but they want us all locked up, to cover their shame perhaps.

The problem though dotch comes from the fact all of your companies and corporations are installing this chip/app stuff and if no chip/app no entry etc

Its not about lockdowns anymore its about the elephant in the room of chips/apps, supermarkets refusing entry to anyone is absolutely fooking disturbing but here we are

makes you wonder in these times when you think they would be fighting for every penny they choose to be selective on who they let in

19. Its very mixed. Mrs D couldnt buy 40 quids worth of stuff today as the shop was too scared to take cash but equally my local landlord happily told me I didnt need to bother with the track/trace or even his 1 way system when I told him id go elsewhere.
Its all down to how paranoid or dumb the individual business owner is I think.

we will see as the pinch comes soon in the bad weather. a few blind eyes will be turned

People are going to be paranoid to fook over the winter, a little cough and people will be screaming a 23:19 and in comes the CDA