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InsiderTrader
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Amazed by these numbers.

Do people on here support the new 6 months measures?
Pause Switch to Standard View YOUGOV: 77% support the new measures...
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Report InsiderTrader September 22, 2020 8:26 PM BST
No
Report peckerdunne September 22, 2020 8:28 PM BST
I agree IT

Half measures are pointless.
Report Dotchinite September 22, 2020 8:31 PM BST
No, long lost interest in Boris's silly rules.
Report Reynard September 22, 2020 8:38 PM BST
77 is just a number they plucked out of thin air .
Think about it , why 77 and not 76 or 78 , which are far less significant numbers ? I'm surprised they put a 'Rule of 6' in place . Surely 'Rule of 7' would have made far more sense . Why 6 ????????????
Report n88uk September 22, 2020 9:01 PM BST
What are the numbers against out of interest assuming it's the usual with don't knows in.

I'm surprised it's so high as a poll answer, but it depends what the question was and the way it was phrased, it's probably about right for measures, but with certain phrases you'd get people say no as they think he should have gone further and so on.
Report Dr Crippen September 22, 2020 9:10 PM BST
''Some 46 per cent of those surveyed said they would 'strongly support' the decision to extend the lockdown while 31 per cent said they would 'somewhat support' an extension. Just 8 per cent said they did not know.''

46%.
Report Dr Crippen September 22, 2020 9:10 PM BST
I'm totally against the measures.
Report mafeking September 22, 2020 9:29 PM BST
hardly surprising. most people don't examine the raw data or figures and just take what the scientists say at value. so if they say more restrictions are needed they just lap it up. there was absolutely no challenge by MSM of the to say the least highly dubious 50000 cases figure

even in victoria where they've been living in a virtual police state since march with most draconian lockdown of anywhere in the world incredibly 60% still support the govt imprisoning them all
Report InsiderTrader September 22, 2020 9:32 PM BST
Surely when unemployment goes up and up and services like cancer treatment etc drop massively and furlough cash stops people will see the 'cure' is a massive mistake?
Report lapsy pa September 22, 2020 9:38 PM BST
IT unemployment will go up and up,furlough cash will stop,mistake in lull not to try and "catch up" with other hospital cases.

With rampant cases out of control it will be even worse,the cure has to be keep cases as low as you can ie even at July levels,the only way the country can semi function.
Report edy September 22, 2020 9:38 PM BST
wow, so many members of the loud minority in this thread.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 22, 2020 9:40 PM BST
The 23%
Report InsiderTrader September 22, 2020 9:48 PM BST

Sep 22, 2020 -- 9:29PM, mafeking wrote:


hardly surprising. most people don't examine the raw data or figures and just take what the scientists say at value. so if they say more restrictions are needed they just lap it up. there was absolutely no challenge by MSM of the to say the least highly dubious 50000 cases figureeven in victoria where they've been living in a virtual police state since march with most draconian lockdown of anywhere in the world incredibly 60% still support the govt imprisoning them all


Goodness me.

Just read about Victoria.

This is where we could be heading with Boris and his mad scientists...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8708091/How-Australias-reaction-COVID-19-global-embarrassment-draconian-lockdowns.html

Daily Mail Australia has duly reported what Andrews said in each of these drawn-out engagements and then presented what is actually going on.

On September 2, 28-year-old Zoe Buhler was arrested in her pyjamas at her Ballarat home and charged with incitement after creating a Facebook protest against the Victorian lockdown.

Ms Buhler, who was handcuffed in front of her children and was due to have an ultrasound an hour later, did not know what 'incitement' meant and was confused by her arrest.

'I was scared I was being kidnapped by people,' she said. 'They obviously weren't in uniforms.'

On September 5 two elderly women were threatened with arrest for refusing to identify themselves while sitting on a bench near the Shrine of Remembrance.

While five officers surrounded the pair one of the women could be heard asking, 'On what grounds am I under arrest? This is unlawful.'

A passing cyclist then filmed one of the police snatching a mobile phone from the other woman while she tried to record the incident.

Back on August 8, five-year-old Elsie Hollis was exercising in her local park at Footscray with her parents and brothers when they were confronted by a mask-wearing policewoman.

The officer checked the adults' driving licences to make sure they were within 5km of their home before questioning the children, leaving them all shaken.

In Brisbane, truck driver Mark Keans faced the prospect of dying of brain and lung cancer without seeing his four children under the age of 13, who live in Sydney.

Queensland health authorities denied the children an exemption to enter the state, despite their 39-year-old father's imminent death.

New South Wales officials proposed allowing one of the children to see Mr Keans for a supervised one-hour visit before being taken back across the border. 

Mr Keans' father Bruce Langborne said Queensland authorities told him the children would be putting other cancer patients at risk if they all visited him one last time.

'They said we were being selfish,' he told Daily Mail Australia.

Authorities caved under a mountain of public outrage and on Thursday granted the family an exemption to cross the border to say their goodbyes - on the condition they pay $16,000 to spend 14 days in a quarantine hotel.

As of Friday morning, a fundraiser for the family had gathered more than $207,000.

Report peckerdunne September 22, 2020 9:53 PM BST
Yeah, YOU GUYS GET READY FOR THE BIG SUPPRESSION ..
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 22, 2020 9:55 PM BST
Less time to wait for noisy drunken 23%ers
getting home from pub.
Report peckerdunne September 22, 2020 9:58 PM BST
COVID PARTIES BEGIN AT 10.10...............
Report SontaranStratagem September 22, 2020 10:03 PM BST

Sep 22, 2020 -- 9:48PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Sep 22, 2020 --  9:29PM, mafeking wrote:hardly surprising. most people don't examine the raw data or figures and just take what the scientists say at value. so if they say more restrictions are needed they just lap it up. there was absolutely no challenge by MSM of the to say the least highly dubious 50000 cases figureeven in victoria where they've been living in a virtual police state since march with most draconian lockdown of anywhere in the world incredibly 60% still support the govt imprisoning them allGoodness me.Just read about Victoria.This is where we could be heading with Boris and his mad scientists...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8708091/How-Australias... Mail Australia has duly reported what Andrews said in each of these drawn-out engagements and then presented what is actually going on. On September 2, 28-year-old Zoe Buhler was arrested in her pyjamas at her Ballarat home and charged with incitement after creating a Facebook protest against the Victorian lockdown.Ms Buhler, who was handcuffed in front of her children and was due to have an ultrasound an hour later, did not know what 'incitement' meant and was confused by her arrest. 'I was scared I was being kidnapped by people,' she said. 'They obviously weren't in uniforms.'On September 5 two elderly women were threatened with arrest for refusing to identify themselves while sitting on a bench near the Shrine of Remembrance.While five officers surrounded the pair one of the women could be heard asking, 'On what grounds am I under arrest? This is unlawful.'A passing cyclist then filmed one of the police snatching a mobile phone from the other woman while she tried to record the incident. Back on August 8, five-year-old Elsie Hollis was exercising in her local park at Footscray with her parents and brothers when they were confronted by a mask-wearing policewoman.The officer checked the adults' driving licences to make sure they were within 5km of their home before questioning the children, leaving them all shaken.In Brisbane, truck driver Mark Keans faced the prospect of dying of brain and lung cancer without seeing his four children under the age of 13, who live in Sydney.Queensland health authorities denied the children an exemption to enter the state, despite their 39-year-old father's imminent death. New South Wales officials proposed allowing one of the children to see Mr Keans for a supervised one-hour visit before being taken back across the border.

Report SontaranStratagem September 22, 2020 10:03 PM BST
I'm not convinced that was legit though, all seemed rather staged to my eyes esp with the media pushing it out

But they are changing the definitions of what words actually mean to suit their toleration takeover, incitement is basically violence and what she was apparently doing wasn't that at all but they've hijacked the definition of it and changed it to mean organising peaceful protests against the state as being incitement 

1984 in a nut shell
Report SontaranStratagem September 22, 2020 10:04 PM BST
Basically its all incitement against the system and the state, the system and the state must be protected
Report peckerdunne September 22, 2020 10:06 PM BST
They'll never backtrack on the opening of schools, so in order to counter that everything else gets suppressed under the heading of keeping the economy going whilst suppressing the virus...

Off course you will hear of several miracle vaccines ready for next Jan, next month, next year, but won't arrive.

The new mantra is the old mantra, but more restricted in reality.

Suppress the virus, keep the economy going, open the schools.

Now i'm not saying there is any contradiction in terms, but good luck with that.

I wouldn't even plan for a summer holiday right now.............Cry
Report mafeking September 22, 2020 11:39 PM BST
IT, an extreme socialist madman running victoria but it's not much better elsewhere. australia as a nation has basically ceased to exist during the pandemic. the individual states have gone their own way far worse than the likes of sturgeon and drakeford playing petty political games here

they've closed their borders and basically point blank refused to let anyone cross unless of course you're a celebrity and have plenty of money. the PM can't do anything about it but of course they're all happy to take the handouts from the central government for their furlough scheme
Report Dotchinite September 23, 2020 12:42 AM BST
Nobody with a brain can defend what went on in Australia but yhtl will give it a go im sure.
Report sageform September 23, 2020 8:38 AM BST
I support the measures but only because I now realise that too many people are not safe to be allowed outside (or inside) without supervision. The alternative is to arrest and imprison thousands of irresponsible people who are laughing at the rules.
Report 1st time poster September 23, 2020 8:56 AM BST
if you dont go to the pub or dont mind going home at 10,besides your boss asking you to work from home for some,nothings changed from monday really,20 million in england been on far worse restrictions for over a week,
obviously the spoons brigade will be devastated ,different world when you look at it from the bottom of a beer glass
Report 1st time poster September 23, 2020 9:05 AM BST
see the tory spivs who,ll make up a large part of the 23% managed to stop wallowing long enough in their pit to get up and manipulate the ftse up nearly 2%, ching,ching doris job done
Report lfc1971 September 23, 2020 9:10 AM BST
stop furlough money immediately, I don’t want to have to pay for the layabouts
Report 1st time poster September 23, 2020 9:18 AM BST
keep up we,re all socialist ,s, massive state interventionist,s now
Report lfc1971 September 23, 2020 9:19 AM BST
Here’s a simple fact, if some people can go to work then so can everyone
Get back to work
Report politicspunter September 23, 2020 9:20 AM BST

Sep 23, 2020 -- 9:18AM, 1st time poster wrote:


keep up we,re all socialist ,s, massive state interventionist,s now


And folks thought that the socialist party had lost the last general electionLaugh

Report lfc1971 September 23, 2020 9:20 AM BST
Never seen my golf course so full since it reopened
Report 1st time poster September 23, 2020 9:20 AM BST
do keep up ,its not an individuals choice ,you,ll get there in the end
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 9:22 AM BST
The UK government is already passing stuff without the scrutiny of Parliament.

So the situation is in place, and is now only a matter of how far they are prepared to go.
Report 1st time poster September 23, 2020 9:25 AM BST
be a big decision in next GE whether to leave the left wing socialist party  in power or vote for starmmers centre left party LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report lfc1971 September 23, 2020 9:35 AM BST
There’s no doubt the tories has become very left wing even before this crisis

That’s peobably part of the problem
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 9:37 AM BST
Starmer might be in jail if it gets that bad.
Report lfc1971 September 23, 2020 9:40 AM BST
Blair, Csmeron snowflake May , you cannot  run a country in that way somet or later chaos ensues
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 9:52 AM BST
They all try to copy Blair.

Even Tories called him The Master during his first term in office. And they've been copying him ever since.
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 9:55 AM BST
Starmer thinks he's going to be the second Blair, and he could be as well if he wasn't so thick. No chance.
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 9:58 AM BST
Starmer's useless.
They might as well replace him with a cardboard cutout with a moveable jaw, and someone doing a voice over.
Report lfc1971 September 23, 2020 10:02 AM BST
When he peers across the dispatch box at Boris he always looks looks as though he is about to cry ! Grin

then again who can blame him
Report 1st time poster September 23, 2020 10:04 AM BST
starmmer battered corbyn in yesterdays speech,but as very few now believe brexit wont be a short term car crash [gove writing to buisness today telling them there,ll be big lorry parks 7 000,quese,confusion on border,s ,paperweork etc, he didnt put that on a side of a bus ]
can anyone see a tory in the commons who,ll stand up as a leader condeming doris/cummings/brexit, discounting mrs may of course
Report lfc1971 September 23, 2020 10:11 AM BST
Blimey that must be one of your silliest posts yet ist poster
Boris gets criticism from all sides every day he has to face it from his own party also
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 10:30 AM BST
starmmer battered corbyn in yesterdays speech

Yet it was Starmer as Labour's shadow Brexit minister, who contributed much to labours drubbing in the GE by confusing the voters over Labour's position on Brexit.

And now he's blaming Corbyn for his own incompetence.

I don't the Tories have much to fear from Captain Hindsight.
Report Mister E September 23, 2020 10:45 AM BST
Amazed by these numbers, a lot of people act as thought the measures apply to others not them.Mr. Johnson isn't the sole architect of these measures anyway.
Report sageform September 23, 2020 10:52 AM BST
I don't see it as left or right, it is how much we curtail personal freedoms which can happen in both left and right wing regimes. Both China and military dictatorships keep a very close eye on all of their citizens. UK has tried to keep a degree of freedom by not adopting ID cards for all, restricting police powers of arrest or stop and search, maintaining press freedom and many other examples that would be considered to be out of the question in many countries. The problem is that those freedoms encourage crime, irresponsible behaviour, fraud etc. which are a massive drag on the economy.
Report Fatslogger September 23, 2020 12:25 PM BST
Authoritarianism is common on the extreme right and left and often goes with populism but it’s at least to some extent a separate phenomenon. Certainly you can, at least in theory, have quite left or right wing policies in an open democratic state.
Report bigpoppapump September 23, 2020 12:35 PM BST
last night's new measures didn't seem to amount to much, or did I miss something?  Pub shuts an hour early, so what? Work from home if you can, so what?  Fines are bigger if you break to numbers rules.

Why are the bloke-in-the-pub-with-the-easy-answers types all getting het up? 

(spoiler, I know why)  Laugh

It's because they think they are public health strategy experts and/or they personally are not 'vulnerable' (love how they use this term for other people).  They use phrases like 'protect the vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with it'

Literally.  That's what people say, as a reason to do nothing.  They have no idea what they're talking about, but they think they know.

Amazing.  People now, unironically, think they're experts about every new problem which occurs.  It's brilliant to watch.

Happy
Report 1st time poster September 23, 2020 12:38 PM BST
we,re all tracksuit managers now,
lets be honest we all probably no more than 99% of mp,s in the commons
Report lapsy pa September 23, 2020 12:48 PM BST
It is all about your sources,keep well in with the local shopkeeper and postman,if anyone uses "unprecedented" discard as obviously it is second hand,use your eyes, Gemma who has a load of likes on facebook and does nails,has given up smoking but is trying to "sell" what she has left Wink.

It is easy when you know how.
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 2:22 PM BST
last night's new measures didn't seem to amount to much

Obviously the writer of that isn't in business.
Report bigpoppapump September 23, 2020 2:24 PM BST
actually he is 

Cool
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 2:32 PM BST
Of course you are.
Report bigpoppapump September 23, 2020 2:38 PM BST
okay then - by the power of your brilliant mind - tell me what my business is (or isn't) and which of last night's measure amounted to a big change (for me or my business, or my non business, or the wider world).

Confused
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 2:47 PM BST
Why do you hide behind questions - have you got anything to say?
Report bigpoppapump September 23, 2020 2:50 PM BST
Why do you hide behind questions - have you got anything to say?

are you asking a question?

Laugh
Report Dr Crippen September 23, 2020 4:41 PM BST
last night's new measures didn't seem to amount to much

That's all you've said.

And after I wrote that you obviously weren't in business you threw a tantrum.
Report InsiderTrader September 23, 2020 4:50 PM BST
Maybe owns a couple of pubs and a restaurant in central London near a few office blocks.
Report peckerdunne September 23, 2020 6:07 PM BST
maybe he moved his business to Dublin 8 months ago
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2020 3:28 PM BST
insider the fact that you read the daily mail is a worry in itself more so than covid.
Report InsiderTrader September 24, 2020 3:39 PM BST
Original story was in the telegraph.
Report bigpoppapump September 25, 2020 1:08 PM BST
story was in the sh1t rag owned by these billionaires

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_and_Frederick_Barclay

not in the sh1t rag owned by these billionaires

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Harmsworth,_4th_Viscount_Rothermere

Laugh

sticking it to the elites
Report 1st time poster September 25, 2020 1:14 PM BST
living as normal,getting out there etc etc seems to becoming mainstream thinking,which completely misses the point that people think measures should be tighter,theyve already voted with their feet regards public transport ,working from home etc, most of what government decides would happen organically anyway a short time after,
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip September 27, 2020 4:51 PM BST
This ipsos one quite interesting, would be interested to see where it is in a few more weeks..

[i]To what extent, if at all, are you personally following the governments rules on how to respond to the coronavirus?
Completely/ nearly all the time = 62%[/i]

It seems to me the government play an over-simplistic numbers game, for example (made up numbers); Getting R number below 1 needs a reduction in infections of 25%. Knocking 2 hours off pub time is 10%. Rule of 6 is 10% Masks 5% etc etc etc.

Hence the situation where they are criticised for inconsistent rules that dont make much sense but claim there is ‘scientific basis’ for them (this of course is not a scientific basis, its a pseudo-scientific logic from a finger in the air basis)

The worrying part though is that the cummings et al interpretation of that poll wont be to consider that people are becoming frustrated at their logic. It will be to find another strange rule to pick up the slack and balance their pointless equation.
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