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akabula
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Computer programmed to bring results as given by teachers into line with expectations.
Resulted in 120,000 being downgraded. "To retain credibility" said Sturgeon.
Problem is that poor areas suffered more than rich areas.
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Report politicspunter August 6, 2020 10:36 PM BST
EU students don't get preferential treatment over Scottish students. University education is free to all Scottish students. Prescriptions are free to everyone in Scotland, as is free personal care for the elderly, free bus passes for the elderly, free baby basket for new mothers, higher pay for carers etc.
Report Escapee August 6, 2020 10:36 PM BST
"Elsewhere? 2 Ferries rusting away unfinished costing the taxpayer millions. Education standards at a record low. Prestwick airport costing us millions. The Edinburgh hospital still not opened. I'll leave it at that for starters."

Yeah, we got all that times 100 (and some) in England.




Maybe Disasters and Misrule is just a perspective thing.
Report feedthepony August 6, 2020 11:20 PM BST

Aug 6, 2020 -- 4:36PM, politicspunter wrote:


EU students don't get preferential treatment over Scottish students. University education is free to all Scottish students. Prescriptions are free to everyone in Scotland, as is free personal care for the elderly, free bus passes for the elderly, free baby basket for new mothers, higher pay for carers etc.


I did my 2019/20 tax return (here in Scotland) on Monday and dispute your use of the word “free” dude.

Some c**t has to pay

Report akabula August 7, 2020 12:11 AM BST
EU students don't get preferential treatment over Scottish students

PP as per normal deflecting from the truth.
Scottish student numbers are capped to allow more fee paying English students places.
Report akabula August 7, 2020 12:17 AM BST
@Escapee
Can you point me in the direction of an English hospital lying empty since 2010 and costing the taxpayer millions each year?
Or 2 ferries rusting away or a nationalised airport costing us millions.
Report akabula August 7, 2020 12:23 AM BST
@Escapee
PP also claims not to be Scottish whilst defending the SNP no matter what.

Re Misrule? How about holding meetings without minutes then claiming they weren't meetings but get-togethers.
How about claiming government 'privilege' and not handing over minutes for scrutiny by Holyrood.
Report Just Checking August 7, 2020 10:49 AM BST
Always amusing to take a swing back in and see politics punter pretend he isn't an SNP supporter. "lol".

Anyway, back on topic... Sturgeon swears blind her most important thing was educational equality
(lie - it is stirring up anglophobia, there's a tip)
... then she ****s over kids from poor areas.
How could that appear bad to 16 yea olds?
I don't think kids should be given the vote in the first place, but it backfiring on hateful scumbags like the SNP is brilliant :)
Report the old nanny ;-) August 7, 2020 1:56 PM BST
"Better overall access to healthcare"

Males in England, Wales and Northern Ireland can expect to live longer than those in Scotland by 2.6 years,

Strange that with all this so called great healthcare north of the border ?
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 2:05 PM BST

Aug 7, 2020 -- 7:56AM, the old nanny ;-) wrote:


"Better overall access to healthcare"Males in England, Wales and Northern Ireland can expect to live longer than those in Scotland by 2.6 years,Strange that with all this so called great healthcare north of the border ?


Link to this please?

Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2020 2:21 PM BST
Whatever measure we choose, parts of Scotland have the lowest life expectancy, alongside Manchester and Blackpool in North West England i.e less affluent parts of the UK. Glasgow has a particularly low average life expectancy – just 72.6 years for men and 78.5 for women (from birth).
Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2020 2:21 PM BST
Whatever measure we choose, parts of Scotland have the lowest life expectancy, alongside Manchester and Blackpool in North West England i.e less affluent parts of the UK. Glasgow has a particularly low average life expectancy – just 72.6 years for men and 78.5 for women (from birth).
Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2020 2:22 PM BST
Whas like us?
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 4:25 PM BST
Awaiting link for full details but meanwhile here is my take on it. First of all, I would imagine that most of the folks aged 70 and over weren't born during the current government. Scotlands population has sadly had a shorter life expectancy than more affluent areas of the UK. Main causes are the types of industry associated with higher populated areas of the central belt such as coal mining (Flush's dad), steelworks, shipbuilding, heavy engineering etc, industries where health and safety was hardly invented until after they closed down. Poor quality cramped damp housing plus high levels of alcohol/drug abuse and higher number of smokers wouldn't be helpful either. There is a limit on what the current government can do to tackle these historical issues. The older industries have mostly gone. Most of the poor quality housing has been torn down and replaced. They are making inroads into alcohol abuse by introducing minimum pricing. They have introduced baby boxes to help new mothers in giving their child a decent start in life. The drugs issue won't go away overnight but is controlled by Westminster not Holyrood. It will likely take decades for these historical issues to be at least partially resolved.
Report dave1357 August 7, 2020 4:51 PM BST
oh wait

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/07/a-level-result-predictions-to-be-downgraded-england

Nearly 40% of A-level grades submitted by teachers are set to be downgraded when exam results in England are published next week, the Guardian has learned, as criticism intensifies of this year’s makeshift results.
Report the old nanny ;-) August 7, 2020 5:02 PM BST
More drugs in England than Scotland ,not all areas of England are affluent , what health benefits can there be from living in a big city ?

Link not needed known fact as stands .


"Better overall access to healthcare" was the Quote .well its taking its time IMVHO , or is it all great because we have Luvvie nationalist

in charge ?

neal interview for you ,who said the Health service is in a desperate state up there well behind 6 out of 8 targets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YYXjr0P6AM
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 5:05 PM BST
Well, post a link please to your original post.
Report the old nanny ;-) August 7, 2020 5:09 PM BST
Why do I need to post a Link, google life expectancy England Scotland it comes up

Nhs very little difference across the UK , people like putting up silly quotes as long as it suits their way of thinking .

Sturgeon would make a good poker player imo .
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 5:11 PM BST
Well, if I said that life expectancy in Scotland was currently 74 years and in England it's 73.5 years?
Report the old nanny ;-) August 7, 2020 5:15 PM BST
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/statistics/life-expectancy-areas-in-scotland/2010-2012/html/life-expectancy-for-areas-within-scotland-2010-2012-scotland-uk-europe.html

Must have changed some if that is the case . Would you bet on your figures being confirmed in the next census, next year ?
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 5:16 PM BST
I just made those figures up.
Report the old nanny ;-) August 7, 2020 5:18 PM BST
Laugh
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 5:19 PM BST
The link you posted is a decade out of date.
Report the old nanny ;-) August 7, 2020 5:19 PM BST
As for the NHS lord knows what targets have gone sideways re Co-Vid Sad
Report the old nanny ;-) August 7, 2020 5:20 PM BST
Yes I said it must have changed some ?

The next census is 21
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 5:22 PM BST

Aug 7, 2020 -- 11:20AM, the old nanny ;-) wrote:


Yes I said it must have changed some ? The next census is 21


Could have but Scotland has historical issues that I outlined up thread that won't disappear overnight.

Report flushgordon1 August 7, 2020 5:27 PM BST
Awaiting link for full details but meanwhile here is my take on it. First of all, I would imagine that most of the folks aged 70 and over weren't born during the current government. Scotlands population has sadly had a shorter life expectancy than more affluent areas of the UK. Main causes are the types of industry associated with higher populated areas of the central belt such as coal mining (Flush's dad), steelworks, shipbuilding, heavy engineering etc, industries where health and safety was hardly invented until after they closed down. Poor quality cramped damp housing plus high levels of alcohol/drug abuse and higher number of smokers wouldn't be helpful either. There is a limit on what the current government can do to tackle these historical issues. The older industries have mostly gone. Most of the poor quality housing has been torn down and replaced. They are making inroads into alcohol abuse by introducing minimum pricing. They have introduced baby boxes to help new mothers in giving their child a decent start in life. The drugs issue won't go away overnight but is controlled by Westminster not Holyrood. It will likely take decades for these historical issues to be at least partially resolved.

It will likely take decades, likely take feckin decades?
The socialists have been running Scotland for decades that's why we are in the shoite.
Labour and the Scots Nazis have run us down with their socialist dogma.
Report sofiakenny August 7, 2020 6:43 PM BST
feck off flusher...decades of tory abuse..the young uns aint having it pal...indy is when not if.
Report Dotchinite August 7, 2020 6:47 PM BST
Independence for Scotland will be fun now the oil money has shrunk to a trickle.
Report Escapee August 7, 2020 6:52 PM BST

Akabula
@Escapee
Can you point me in the direction of an English hospital lying empty since 2010 and costing the taxpayer millions each year?
Or 2 ferries rusting away or a nationalised airport costing us millions.


Off the top my head.. here's a couple.

The "Garden Bridge" a new proposed pedestrian bridge across the Thames.
Original budget £120m, Two and a half years later it was announced that it was being scrapped, and that they had
already spent £63 million of the budget on pen pushers, no land or materials or anything solid was purchased.
outrage lasted all of a day and a half.


£56 million to a ferry company that didn't own and had never run a ferry in its life.
The scandal wasn't about the disappeared £56m, but about the terms and conditions they had submitted with thier
bid for the money. They were photocopied from a KFC fats food outlet !?!? Crazy

Sold off country hall £120 million, the sprawling 5 acre riverside office that was head of London government.
Bought and Built a new building next to tower bridge for £450 million. Very pretty Odd shaped and very tiny.
This year it was announced that it is to impractical to use and they are moving to another building in stratford.
(But of course we are still saddled with £40 million annual cost for another decade or two )


I think Scotland had a similar story with it's 'parliament' cost £400+ million ( about £1,000 for every Scottish citizen )?


As I said, we got the same issues in England.

We got loads of legacy from Tony Blairs PPP (public private partnership) where we pay for loads of hospitals and schools that were never even built because we signed on the dotted line and then decided we couldn't pay the staff.


Does anyone know that we are spending £3.5 BILLION refurbishing houses of parliament over next 5 years?
phuccccckkkkkkking 3 and half billion on a refurb?????


Politicians have no sense of money, after all it's an endless fountain to them.

Report akabula August 8, 2020 12:36 AM BST
Drug addiction in Scotland the worst in Europe. Here Andrew Neil puts the facts to wee Jimmy.
BTW at the start she claims she is 80% to meeting a target. Watch how she doesn't blink when AN points out its only 72%. "Thats right she says ignoring the fact shes just been caught out on a lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YYXjr0P6AM
Report akabula August 8, 2020 12:48 AM BST
@ Escapee - The Garden Bridge. That was a private proposal.
The Ferry Company was a back-up proposal.
TThe Houses of Parliament is one of the most iconic buildings in the world. Because of it's age it's obviously going to cost a fortune to restore. What would you do?

BTW what part of Scotland are you from.
Report akabula August 8, 2020 9:17 PM BST
Sturgeon claimed that the appeals system would sort out any issues but a leaked document reveals that only priority cases (who decides) will be heard before May 2021.
Even staunch SNP supporters calling for Swinney to go.
Report politicspunter August 8, 2020 9:29 PM BST
Anyone know where you can get a bet on the SNP winning a majority in the Scottish Parliament elections in 2021?
Report akabula August 8, 2020 9:32 PM BST
I'll take yer £2.
Report politicspunter August 8, 2020 9:36 PM BST
Or anyone know if there is a market for who will come second in seats to the SNP?
Report akabula August 8, 2020 10:03 PM BST
Sturgeon and Swinney now to be known as:

Nicola Burke and John (No) Hare the grade robbers.
Report akabula August 8, 2020 10:04 PM BST
PP aka Arfur Timer will now come on looking for another opportunity not to bet on. Grin
Report politicspunter August 8, 2020 10:07 PM BST
A response from anyone not blocked would be much appreciated, thank you.
Report akabula August 8, 2020 10:22 PM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yg7dDW4xuk
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 2:45 PM BST
You can just imagine fat boy blackboard saying to Sweeney , this is another fine mess you have gotten us into.
Report politicspunter August 9, 2020 3:31 PM BST
Flush, have you and your fellow townsfolk took down the bunting yet for your IRA supporting hero Claire Fox being elevated to the House of Lords by Boris?
Report akabula August 9, 2020 3:37 PM BST
It's not only God that works in mysterious ways.
Report politicspunter August 9, 2020 4:08 PM BST
I am sure Flush and his fellow townsfolk can't wait to vote for the green white and gold banner of their hero in the Scottish Parliament elections next year, eh Flush?
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 4:21 PM BST
You carry on talking bollux Polly, I will just keep on Banging in winners.

13:25 Turffontein
The Sash - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207771430527 | Placed: 08-Aug-20 13:12:19
Back
12.01
5.00
--
--
55.06
Won
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 4:29 PM BST
16:20 Windsor
Victory Chime - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207906056005 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 16:05:57
Back
8.80
5.00
--
--
39.00
Won
09-Aug-20
16:22:41
16:15 Curragh
Boundless Power - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207905965043 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 16:05:14
Back
8.00
6.30
--
--
-6.30
Lost
09-Aug-20
16:14:14
16:10 Thirsk
Dream Castle - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207905641384 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 16:03:15
Back
8.20
5.00
--
--
36.00
Won
09-Aug-20
16:10:33
16:05 Downpatrick
Lighthouse Rose - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207905358157 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 16:01:12
Back
8.80
5.00
--
--
39.00
Won
09-Aug-20
16:02:38
16:00 Salisbury
Itkaann - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207905252335 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 16:00:18
Back
6.40
10.00
--
--
54.00
Won
Bang,bang,bang,bang.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 4:32 PM BST
It's only munee

Construct - Each Way
Betfair Bet ID 1:207894688677 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 14:48:17
Back
27.00
2.50 EW
--
--
10.50
Placed
09-Aug-20
14:54:06
14:50 Salisbury
Indie Angel - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207894517048 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 14:46:49
Back
4.80
5.00
--
--
19.00
Won
09-Aug-20
14:48:49
14:35 Curragh
Revolutme - Each Way
Betfair Bet ID 1:207892287096 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 14:26:33
Back
16.00
2.50 EW
--
--
46.88
Won
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 4:34 PM BST
Munee,miner,munee.

14:05 Windsor
Genuflex - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207889288093 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 13:59:36
Back
4.40
10.00
--
--
34.00
Won
09-Aug-20
14:02:46
14:00 Curragh
Tashgheel - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207870548666 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 11:05:22
Back
13.65
5.00
--
--
-5.00
Lost
09-Aug-20
14:02:46
14:00 Curragh
Tignanello - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207889154775 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 13:58:38
Back
27.00
3.00
--
--
-3.00
Lost
09-Aug-20
13:58:13
13:55 Thirsk
Tanasoq - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:207887390406 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 13:42:56
Back
8.40
5.00
--
--
-5.00
Lost
09-Aug-20
13:56:49
13:10 Salisbury
Juanito Chico - Each Way
Betfair Bet ID 1:207883648059 | Placed: 09-Aug-20 13:06:37
Back
29.00
2.50 EW
--
--
87.50
Won
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 4:35 PM BST
And we are only playing at it today.
Yer mug
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 4:42 PM BST
flushgordon1 • August 9, 2020 4:35 PM BST
And we are only playing at it today.


Yeah of course you are. How many other losers have you had today? Will you post in advance of races in future? Like fug you will. You're just another aftertimer.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 4:50 PM BST
Good Grief Charlie Clown.
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 4:55 PM BST
It's ok GashGordon.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 5:02 PM BST
Ok Charlie Clown, the last I posted on forum,
I don't have to post for an ego trip.
Trident
Follow this horse lads.

Perhaps not today, Ive had a few quid on at 18s, and the draw has not been kind on debut. ( Fav draw wide too)  Keep on side !

If not today the stable like the horse.Tongue Out
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Trident04 Aug 20 08:43Joined: 05 May 07 | Topic/replies: 2,539 | Blogger: Trident's blog
Risk Of Thunder a worrying drift this morning for this yard. For anyone looking at the race for later!!
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Trident04 Aug 20 11:56Joined: 05 May 07 | Topic/replies: 2,539 | Blogger: Trident's blog
Risk Of Thunder out to 5.2 from evens. Passthecourvoisier 22.00 into 6.6. Interesting Novice race bettingExcited
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flushgordon104 Aug 20 12:15Joined: 25 Jun 11 | Topic/replies: 17,587 | Blogger: flushgordon1's blog
Cream of the crop seems to be way overpriced and can only improve on its first run 1/5  of the odds 3 places 25/1 looks very attractive.
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Trident04 Aug 20 13:53Joined: 05 May 07 | Topic/replies: 2,539 | Blogger: Trident's blog
Well doneHappy
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Try My Best04 Aug 20 13:54Joined: 13 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 4,059 | Blogger: Try My Best's blog
well done both of you. The winner did it well and the third ran a lovely race first time up.
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sparrow04 Aug 20 13:56Joined: 20 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 34,494 | Blogger: sparrow's blog
Good calls on this thread.
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Trident04 Aug 20 13:56Joined: 05 May 07 | Topic/replies: 2,539 | Blogger: Trident's blog
Passthecourvoisier was slightly slow away. Will be a short price next time though!
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Try My Best04 Aug 20 13:59Joined: 13 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 4,059 | Blogger: Try My Best's blog
and ran a little green Trident but only to be expected first time up.
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flushgordon104 Aug 20 14:06Joined: 25 Jun 11 | Topic/replies: 17,587 | Blogger: flushgordon1's blog
3 rd is a lateish April foal so probably plenty of improvement to come, but today creamofthecrop was cream of the crop.
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 5:19 PM BST
Gash I have no idea what that is supposed to prove.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 5:28 PM BST
You prove how fick u r.
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 5:36 PM BST
So you post something a few days ago then you come on here with aftertiming nonsense. If you really are that good then post everything beforetime. Will you? Will you heck. Go back to your fantasy land or maybe post your P&L for last three months. Will you? Will you heck.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 5:46 PM BST
I will let someone else explain it to you ,its a matter of time before someone with patience will be along.
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 5:57 PM BST
Go and then post your P&L for last three months. If it's ok I will congratulate you.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 6:01 PM BST
Your only a prawn in the game ,Chuck.
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 6:03 PM BST
I take it that's a no then Gash
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 6:22 PM BST
Monmouth Park 5.15
Amatteroftime
Joe Bravo

And even though you give them a bone , I bet he didn't take it.

its a matter of time before someone with patience will be along.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 6:27 PM BST
Never mind Chuck pollyticspedant is giving you gold stars , mugs!
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 6:33 PM BST
Race 2Monmouth Park 8-9-2020
#    Horse    Jockey    Win    Place    Show
2
Amatteroftime    Joe Bravo    $11.40    $4.00    $2.80
1
Love Is Your Name    Carlos J. Hernandez        $2.60    $2.40
6
Evil Monkey    Wilmer A. Garcia            $5.60

The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid
And the marshals and cops get the same
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a prawn in their game
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 6:47 PM BST
Why not just aftertime again. And again. And again. You're fooling no one.
Report flushgordon1 August 9, 2020 7:00 PM BST
I gave you it half an hour before it ran, are you using pigeon post to bet chuck?

Anyways cupcakes Fishing on the River Stinchar tomorrow will have to go and ready the tackle.

You and Polly can carry on playing with your own.
Report Charlie August 9, 2020 7:05 PM BST
I look forward to seeing your P&L for last three months. For such an impressive gambler such as yourself it should be really spectacular. Somehow I don't believe we will be seeing it.
Report layingisthewayforward August 10, 2020 4:29 PM BST
Breaking news. Nicola sturgeon has resigned over the exam results scandal.
Report dave1357 August 10, 2020 4:42 PM BST
I must say that flush is very generous to the layers - all those winners and only bets fivers and tenners.
Report politicspunter August 10, 2020 4:44 PM BST
Ah, but how many losers?...
Report Jack Hacksaw August 10, 2020 8:18 PM BST
Don't wish to re-rail the title of the thread, but the BBC reckons......

'There was particular criticism after Higher pass rates for pupils in the most deprived data zones were reduced by 15.2%, in comparison with 6.9% for pupils from the most affluent backgrounds.'

Or, teachers in poorly performing schools tried to con the authorities even more than those in better performing schools.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2020 8:20 PM BST
Correct
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2020 8:27 PM BST
Of course the SNP response  will be their usual dishonest one and they will not be prepared to say so
Probably sack the education minister
Report Charlie August 10, 2020 8:35 PM BST
Or, teachers in poorly performing schools tried to con the authorities even more than those in better performing schools.

Or teachers in better performing schools managed to con the authorities more than those in lesser performing schools.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2020 8:43 PM BST
Scotland is the least intelligent part of the UK ,The SNP can dress it up any way they like
Report Charlie August 10, 2020 8:47 PM BST
I take it you're Scottish then.
Report lfc1971 August 10, 2020 9:04 PM BST
]It’s true I’m not particularly intelligent charlie
I can’t figure out how to respond to that comment Grin
Report dave1357 August 10, 2020 10:51 PM BST
charlie, if st posh girls academy in edinburgh have had decades of 90% of their pupils passing and 50% getting A grades, they aren't going to need much "conning".  If st rough types school in easterhouse have had decades of 40% passing and 10% getting A grades it won't take much optimism from graders to go well over the top.
Report feedthepony August 11, 2020 12:59 PM BST
solution was simple - should never have shut the schools.  But Sturgeon wanted the draconian shut down to flex her authority (which nobody voted to give her).

Even with a shut down they should have had the exams - Kids who don't catch COVID anyway, already spaced out in exam halls (or the empty classrooms with the lower years not being there) with teachers (who were not furloughed) invigilating the exams.

Instead she created this mess all by herself, total no win - accept the teachers score and have ridiculous pass rates, apply a baseline based on historic performance and be shown up for not being the socialist party they claim to be.  Either way the losers are the kids - Sturgeon is to blame and should be fired.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 1:27 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 6:59AM, feedthepony wrote:


solution was simple - should never have shut the schools.  But Sturgeon wanted the draconian shut down to flex her authority (which nobody voted to give her).Even with a shut down they should have had the exams - Kids who don't catch COVID anyway, already spaced out in exam halls (or the empty classrooms with the lower years not being there) with teachers (who were not furloughed) invigilating the exams.Instead she created this mess all by herself, total no win - accept the teachers score and have ridiculous pass rates, apply a baseline based on historic performance and be shown up for not being the socialist party they claim to be.  Either way the losers are the kids - Sturgeon is to blame and should be fired.


Total and utter drivel.

Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 4:33 PM BST
I think this is probably a really complicated and challenging issue, which doesn’t mean it hasn’t been screwed up (which the SNP pretty much seems to have fessed up to). It’s certainly not as simple as “it would have been fine if the schools had been open for exams”. This would have been a hugely risky line to have taken, out of step with the UK as a whole and still wouldn’t have been entirely fair, as some schools were much better placed than others to do this and to teach through the lockdown. What would have happened for pupils whose parents didn’t let them sit the exam, in many cases for extremely good reasons, like vulnerable relatives at home?

Worth pointing out a strong random element to various aspects of exam grades even under normal circs.
Report Cider August 11, 2020 5:01 PM BST
It's beyond obvious that teachers were going to inflate the marks of their own students. It's also obvious the kids of today are used to getting what they want, would be apoplectic, which has happened again now the u turn has happened.

The problem here was the teachers being able to over mark in the first instance, getting students hopes up.

It's obviously sh1t for any kid not to have their exams as usual so maybe society they will get beneficial grades to compensate somewhat.
Report dave1357 August 11, 2020 5:21 PM BST
next moan is going to be pupils not getting university places in high demand courses despite getting the grades, as there are too many with those grades.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 5:24 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 11:21AM, dave1357 wrote:


next moan is going to be pupils not getting university places in high demand courses despite getting the grades, as there are too many with those grades.


Ah, wondered who was going to be the first to spot thatGrin

Report lfc1971 August 11, 2020 5:44 PM BST
The top universities may have to consider setting their own entrance exam
If they wish they remain leading universities they will need the best
Report Cider August 11, 2020 5:47 PM BST
There are less foreign students for the upcoming academic year anyway, for obvious reasons.
Report Cider August 11, 2020 5:47 PM BST
They can get their woke conditioning at any uni, tbf.
Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 8:10 PM BST
The marking is pretty simple game theory, isn’t it? As a teacher would you a) give marks you thought were as accurate a prediction as you could manage or b) inflate grades knowing that others would be doing the same and that if you didn’t, your pupils were almost certainly going to be down graded anyway? I don’t blame the teachers at all, by the way. But looked at from a system point of view, what was the alternative with exams (as discussed) pretty clearly impossible? No good solutions.
Report aaronh August 11, 2020 11:15 PM BST
Heard there is an opinion poll out tomorrow with the SNP more popular than ever
Report dave1357 August 12, 2020 9:47 AM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53746140

A-level and GCSE students in England are being promised their final results will be no lower than their mock exams.

The Department for Education announced a "triple lock" - which could boost the replacement grades for exams cancelled in the pandemic.


england follows in sturgeon's wake.
Report Cider August 12, 2020 10:40 AM BST
Seems a much more reasonable strategy. The modelling in England is largely based on the past results of the individual student as I understand it, which appears for more logical than downgrading teacher assessment grading based on the school's historic performance.
Report dave1357 August 12, 2020 7:04 PM BST
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/12/scottish-universities-ask-ministers-for-up-to-25m-a-year-to-fund-extra-places

University and college leaders in Scotland are pressing the Scottish government to find up to £25m a year to pay for its promise of thousands of extra places for school leavers affected by the exam results crisis.
Report dave1357 August 16, 2020 2:36 PM BST
akabula must be feeling pretty foolish now as virtually the same downgrading has happened in England, perhaps that's why he hasn't come back to say that his OP was based on ignorance.
Report politicspunter August 16, 2020 2:54 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53799001

Douglas Ross: Tory leader apologises for missing VJ Day event

Not a good start, to say the least.
Report politicspunter August 16, 2020 2:59 PM BST
Now, I recall that Douglas Ross, the new Scottish Conservative leader missed votes in the House of Commons because he was refereeing.
Report akabula August 16, 2020 5:36 PM BST
dave1357
akabula must be feeling pretty foolish now as virtually the same downgrading has happened in England, perhaps that's why he hasn't come back to say that his OP was based on ignorance.


What a silly post.
How does what happens elsewhere change what I posted. Thats a typical response from the snp ah but England .... or do you think 2 wrongs ...
Sturgeon and Swinney have since apologised and admitted what happened was wrong.

BTW another disingenuous  post from pp re Ross missing votes.
Report flushgordon1 August 16, 2020 5:40 PM BST
Polly is wetter than Katy Prices beaver.
Report sofiakenny August 16, 2020 5:59 PM BST
aye an you're thicker than Dion Dublin's boaby.
Report dave1357 August 16, 2020 6:26 PM BST
^^^perhaps the initial approach wasn't wrong at all, perhaps teachers in poorer areas did indeed gild lilies to a greater extent than in better off areas - after all that seems to be what has happened in England as well.
Report xmoneyx August 16, 2020 7:20 PM BST
unlike UK gov who are digging in

Westminster Voting Intention (Scotland):

SNP: 54% (+3)
CON: 20% (-5)
LAB: 16% (+1)
LDM: 5% (-1)
GRN: 2% (=)
BXP: 2% (+2)

Via
@YouGov
, 6-10 Aug.
Changes w/ 24-27 Apr.
Report akabula August 16, 2020 7:55 PM BST
It doesn't matter what happened to arrive at where we were but the method to correct it was flawed.
BTW Sturgeon said the figures lacked credibility so why do the u-turn if that was the case.

Guidelines should have issued in respect of each school remaining close to last years results.
Report akabula August 16, 2020 7:58 PM BST
Only 45% of Scots want a referendum within the next 5 years.
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