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Joe Biden has delayed naming his vice presidential pick by two weeks amid worries the process has become a mess that has pitted women against woman.

Biden said last week he would announce his running mate the first week of August but that appears unlikely to happen this week as he hasn't narrowed down his pick amid pressure to name a black woman.

But now that's been moved back by two weeks, The Washington Post reported, amid worries from Biden supporters that the process has become 'messier than it should be,' pitting women - and especially black women - against one another.

The former vice president is reportedly going to speak to five or six contenders instead of having the traditional short list of three names. 

And allies of all the contenders are lobbying the former vice president and his campaign to pick the running mate of their choice.

The presumptive Democratic nominee joked last week he would have to escape the TV camera crews that are parked outside of his Wilmington, Delaware, home so he could meet his pick without being caught.

'I'm going to try to figure out how to trick you all so we can meet in person. I've got crews outside my house. I don't think it matters actually. What I said is I'm going to have a choice in the first week in August, and I promise I'll let you know when I do,' he said at a press conference on Tuesday.

At least nearly a dozen women have been named as potential partners for Biden after he vowed to put a woman on the ticket with him. But, in the wake of the demonstrations that sprung up after the death of George Floyd, pressure has increased for him to name a black woman.

And, with that pressure, came an increased scrutiny on the potential female candidates with reports California Senator Kamala Harris is too 'ambitious' to be picked and pressure on Congresswoman Karen Bass to explain her past praise for Scientology and Fidel Castro.

'It's been relentless. It's been unfortunate. But I must say it's been predictable,' Donna Brazile, a former interim chair of the Democratic National Committee, told The Post. 'It's extremely disappointing, because many of these attacks . . . are being made by Democratic men who should know better.'

'I would hope that in this selection process, we are mindful that Black women — and women of color — deserve respect,' she noted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8588281/Joe-Biden-delays-vice-presidential-pick-TWO-WEEKS.html

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Report InsiderTrader August 7, 2020 9:01 PM BST
Mail in voting could work if you are all set up for it and everyone is registered with ID etc.

Try and do it in a hurry with no checks and balances and even the most devoted anti-Trumper must see there is a potential problem.
Report timbuctooth August 7, 2020 9:28 PM BST
mail in voting -fine. Happens all over the world.
No it doesn`t. Well, assuming you know the difference between `mail in` and `absentee`, that is

DC into a state- Why not? they have no current representation.
Err, because it`s laid down in The Constitution

filibuster-?
Does away with the moderating effect of the current 60 vote requirement, enabling extreme measures to be passed by just one party on a simple majority

packed SCOTUS-Trump has done this already.
No he hasn`t!

free speech ban-?
Are you joking? sm is openly doing it, msm less openly

closed churches- erm, what for?
because it`s what lefties do. You can`t have free-thinking people worshiping God, oh no, that wouldn`t do at all, they must worship The State, Our Great Leader! Churches have been placed under far more onerous re-opening criteria than weed shops, alcohol stores and casinos by dems, in blatant denial of our old friend, The Constitution, with numerous cases now in the court system

taken the guns- About time too.
lefties are in the process of defunding police, (`redirecting` is joe`s preferred weasel word), so who saves you from the marauding hyena mobs? Thankfully, The Constitution is there to protect decent people`s right to defend themselves, not have to rely on a failed anarchist government which can`t wait to become the newest, and most subservient, province of china.
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 9:31 PM BST
Tim, have you wagered quite a lot on Trump winning?
Report InsiderTrader August 7, 2020 9:40 PM BST

Aug 7, 2020 -- 3:31PM, politicspunter wrote:


Tim, have you wagered quite a lot on Trump winning?


Tim, do you notice the anti-Trumpers are happy to express their views but when the silent majority speak up against the Marxists they think it is all to do with your wagering?

Report InsiderTrader August 7, 2020 9:43 PM BST
Personally I am happy to bet on the Biden VP pick market even though I think Biden would be a terrible President for America.

People like PP seem to think you cannot have a personal opinion on politics and still bet on it.

But of course it is fine for him to have his anti-Trump, anti-Boris, pro-SNP stance and yet still claim he win money on here using his polling data.
Report timbuctooth August 7, 2020 9:48 PM BST
InsiderTrader 07 Aug 20 21:40 
Tim, do you notice the anti-Trumpers are happy to express their views but when the silent majority speak up against the Marxists they think it is all to do with your wagering?

Deflection. One of their go-to tactics, without which they know that logic, facts and truth overwhelm them and their lies, to be expected from petulant, bullying uninformed types
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 9:54 PM BST
Tim, I was simply going to suggest to you not to put any more money on Trump just now until nearer the time of the election.
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 9:56 PM BST
I haven't had a bet on any of the candidates as yet.
Report InsiderTrader August 7, 2020 10:16 PM BST
That is interesting PP given your continual anti-Trump ramping posting polls on the forum.

So do you actually agree with me that the polls are not a good indicator at this time? Because if you thought they were any good you would be all over Biden at 1.67.
Report politicspunter August 7, 2020 10:36 PM BST
Had to laugh when I was told the final four in the VP race tonight. I have a bet on one of them.
Report InsiderTrader August 8, 2020 8:42 AM BST
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has met with presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, making her one of the handful of vice presidential finalists to meet with Biden.
Two Democrats familiar with the search told CNN on Thursday that Whitmer remains in serious contention. Whitmer's name had receded over the summer from some lists of prominent contenders, but Biden has always found her impressive, officials said, and he has continued to build their relationship.
Another Democrat familiar with the vetting process tells CNN the Biden has also met with additional prospective running mates. It's unclear at this time who exactly the former vice president has met with.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/07/politics/gretchen-whitmer-joe-biden-meeting/index.html

Interesting as from swing state but would not fit the BLM agenda.
Report cooperman August 8, 2020 11:35 AM BST
I'm waiting for one of Biden's team to drop Michelle Obama out there just to see the reaction from 'the cult'. Grin
Report InsiderTrader August 8, 2020 11:43 AM BST
Or Barack Obama?
Report cooperman August 8, 2020 11:50 AM BST
Laugh Barack they're prepared for, Michelle would have 'em all running for the khazi
Report lfc1971 August 8, 2020 12:17 PM BST
She has TDS
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 8, 2020 1:19 PM BST
I would be surprised if he picks a white woman as he risks alienating black voters, and that is the last thing he needs to do in the current climate after they failed to turnout for Hillary in 2016. That would not be a good move especially now Republicans are doing everything they can to get Kanye West registered on the ballot to steal votes away from Biden.
Report InsiderTrader August 8, 2020 2:31 PM BST
The move on Gretchen Whitmer continues despite that.
Report politicspunter August 8, 2020 4:31 PM BST
By politicspunter on 18 Mar 20 02:37
If you fancy taking a chance on a complete outsider for a couple of pounds, you could try Gretchen Whitmer for the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate.
Report politicspunter August 8, 2020 4:48 PM BST
I would laugh my head off if that went inLaugh
Report InsiderTrader August 8, 2020 9:36 PM BST

Aug 8, 2020 -- 10:31AM, politicspunter wrote:


By politicspunter on 18 Mar 20 02:37If you fancy taking a chance on a complete outsider for a couple of pounds, you could try Gretchen Whitmer for the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate.


Nice. What did you get on at?

Report InsiderTrader August 8, 2020 9:56 PM BST
Gretchen now the shortest price she has ever been at 6.4.

Rice and Kamala 'selfish' Harris are drifting.
Report aaronh August 8, 2020 10:11 PM BST
Kamala not getting it would be hilarious as her twitter supporters are some of the most unhinged and deluded out there.

Not quite IT and Timmy level but pretty high up
Report politicspunter August 8, 2020 10:31 PM BST
What help does Kamala Harris bring? Winning her home state of California? It's a certain democrat win. What would someone like Gretchen Whitmer bring? A good foothold in her home battleground state Michigan plus nearby targets Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa and solidify Trump target Minnesota. Or looking at battleground targets Florida, Arizona, Texas and Trump target New Mexico, why not go for New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, a fluent Spanish speaker, useful for the crucial Hispanic vote.
Report darren_discombobulates_sports August 8, 2020 10:37 PM BST
If all the polls are right, looks like the Chinese virus has finished Trump off, and what timing, I'm not a conspiracist but Xi Jinping will not be unhappy shall we say.
Report politicspunter August 9, 2020 9:40 AM BST
Btw, if anyone has any money sitting available on this market on the exchange, you would be best removing it as someone with inside knowledge is likely to scoop it up before the official announcement.
Report cooperman August 9, 2020 10:28 AM BST
  Spot on from pp. Wink
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2020 12:02 PM BST

Aug 8, 2020 -- 4:11PM, aaronh wrote:


Kamala not getting it would be hilarious as her twitter supporters are some of the most unhinged and deluded out there.Not quite IT and Timmy level but pretty high up


What is 'unhinged' about opposing Harris at 1.76 (main bet) and backing Rice at 6.0?

Some people can have an opinion on the market as well as hoping Biden does not win the election and allow the radical left to seize control of America.

Report aaronh August 9, 2020 1:16 PM BST
Anyone who uses the term radical left needs help.

If they truly believe it, they have serious problems.

If they are repeating Trump propaganda they have them too but at least they are trying to own some libs in the process
Report politicspunter August 9, 2020 1:21 PM BST
Biden is probably as moderate as they come. Undecided independent voters are choosing him over Trump because of that. If it were Sanders or Warren that was the democrat candidate, you could fairly say they were more left than moderate.
Report aaronh August 9, 2020 1:23 PM BST
Trump said something like Biden is now more left than Bernie ever was Excited
Report InsiderTrader August 9, 2020 8:59 PM BST
Tammy Duckworth was just clipped back in.
Report InsiderTrader August 10, 2020 9:57 PM BST
Harris out to 2.46.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 2:16 PM BST
I suppose it would be worth looking at the list of speakers for the Democratic convention and see who wasn't listed. That could suggest they were going to speak as the listed "Vice Presidential nominee".
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 2:34 PM BST
I strongly suspect who it is and sadly it's not my biggest winnerSad
Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 3:28 PM BST
I quite like markets like this, although you wouldn’t want to try to trade large volumes. All I’ve done is pick Michelle Obama, and traded her price, starting with some lays at quite low numbers, lowest 11. Assuming I was right with my prior, which was that she’s not a politician and won’t have been under consideration (perhaps mostly because she wouldn’t want it), this will turn out quite profitable, as there’s been a lot of volatility. I also laid Warren a bit trying to trade but also thinking it wouldn’t be her because of her importance in the Senate and Clinton, just because it blindingly obviously wasn’t ever going to be her (and also laid her lots in the nominee market for same reason). So I’ve no real insight at all into who it will actually be but should still emerge with £700 or so. Or I might lose nearly £4k, if I’m wrong!
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 3:32 PM BST
Hi fats, have you many interests in the various election markets like Presidential, senate, states etc?
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 3:39 PM BST
politicspunter • December 17, 2018 12:07 PM GMT
Fatslogger,  Was in touch with meadow and he said he remembered you for thanking him for the UKIP tip, appreciated. He says that Joe Biden for the 2020 presidential democrat candidate looks overpriced at 10/1 in places. Also that Ladbrokes already have a few constituency markets up for the next general election which he is keeping an eye on.

Do you remember this one fats?
Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 4:21 PM BST
Hiya pp. I’d forgotten the Biden tip. I’m in a great position on Biden but not at all because of that bit of insight, sadly, as I’d be even better off! I just laid Clinton hard and Bloomberg even harder. Neither ever seemed remotely plausible nominees to me, although I did start to get a bit anxious about Bloomberg for a while. Fortunately, Warren took both his legs off and beat him about the head with them in about 2 min of his first debate and he never recovered at all.

I’ve got:

near £6k on Biden as Dem Nom for pushing £30k red on Bloomberg and nearly that Clinton
a bit on Trump at average 1.13 for Rep Nom
a near £7k red on Trump for Next Pres for £4k green pretty much the field
small amounts on Pence as Rep VP and Biden popular vote winner
a screwed up red all over on Dem Nom winning with a majority of delegates (I did not see the race just suddenly ending) to lose £250

Overall should be good as long as Biden wins the GE, which I still think offers completely bonkers value at 1.7 or so.
Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 4:22 PM BST
I’m not good enough or immersed enough to play any of the more niche markets for down ballot stuff, although suspect there’s loads of value there if you know your stuff.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 4:36 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 10:21AM, Fatslogger wrote:


Hiya pp. I’d forgotten the Biden tip. I’m in a great position on Biden but not at all because of that bit of insight, sadly, as I’d be even better off! I just laid Clinton hard and Bloomberg even harder. Neither ever seemed remotely plausible nominees to me, although I did start to get a bit anxious about Bloomberg for a while. Fortunately, Warren took both his legs off and beat him about the head with them in about 2 min of his first debate and he never recovered at all. I’ve got:near £6k on Biden as Dem Nom for pushing £30k red on Bloomberg and nearly that Clintona bit on Trump at average 1.13 for Rep Noma near £7k red on Trump for Next Pres for £4k green pretty much the fieldsmall amounts on Pence as Rep VP and Biden popular vote winnera screwed up red all over on Dem Nom winning with a majority of delegates (I did not see the race just suddenly ending) to lose £250Overall should be good as long as Biden wins the GE, which I still think offers completely bonkers value at 1.7 or so.


That looks a very nice book overall.Grin

Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 4:50 PM BST
Rice has deposed Harris as favourite.
Rice 2.5
Harris 2.6
Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 8:03 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 10:36AM, politicspunter wrote:


Aug 11, 2020 --  4:21PM, Fatslogger wrote:Hiya pp. I’d forgotten the Biden tip. I’m in a great position on Biden but not at all because of that bit of insight, sadly, as I’d be even better off! I just laid Clinton hard and Bloomberg even harder. Neither ever seemed remotely plausible nominees to me, although I did start to get a bit anxious about Bloomberg for a while. Fortunately, Warren took both his legs off and beat him about the head with them in about 2 min of his first debate and he never recovered at all. I’ve got:near £6k on Biden as Dem Nom for pushing £30k red on Bloomberg and nearly that Clintona bit on Trump at average 1.13 for Rep Noma near £7k red on Trump for Next Pres for £4k green pretty much the fieldsmall amounts on Pence as Rep VP and Biden popular vote winnera screwed up red all over on Dem Nom winning with a majority of delegates (I did not see the race just suddenly ending) to lose £250Overall should be good as long as Biden wins the GE, which I still think offers completely bonkers value at 1.7 or so.That looks a very nice book overall.


Thanks, it’s been a lot of trading but for some nice positions as things stand. For anyone thinking it means I know what I’m doing, Trump is still crazy short on next pres, IMO.

How have you got on or are you keeping powder fairly dry for now looking for value in down ballot stuff?

Report timbuctooth August 11, 2020 8:17 PM BST
Rice matched down to 1.12
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 8:21 PM BST
Fatslogger,

I don't have any outright bets on the Presidential election. I have many on senate, states, house of representatives, electoral college votes, percentage vote share etc. I tend to find that the "smaller" the market, the more difficult it is for bookies to react to up to date opinion polls. You always get a laugh or two on the exchanges on some of the prices chucked about and matched. My betting pool on these events is normally £20-25K and I have roughly £7k on so far. My target profit on these events is normally £7.5K- £12K.
Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 8:24 PM BST
Be interesting for the Biden campaign if he actually picks a globalist like Rice.

Sets out very clear battle lines with Trump.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 11, 2020 8:49 PM BST
Looks like insider money for Harris now.
Report Ramruma August 11, 2020 8:58 PM BST
Not insider money imo -- too much left on the table if it is. Rice and Harris have been swapping odds-on jollyism more than once in the past few hours.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 11, 2020 9:08 PM BST
The announcement is imminent, the candidates on the shortlist are being called to be informed it's not them. The earlier gamble on Rice was due to her not being listed as a speaker at the convention next week so some assumed it must be her.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 9:14 PM BST
It's not Bass.
Report Jack Bauer '24' August 11, 2020 9:16 PM BST
Kamala Harris VP
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 9:16 PM BST
It's not Abrams.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 9:20 PM BST
Favourite goes in.
Report SamuelMertensBertens August 11, 2020 9:22 PM BST
interesting last 24 hrs for this market.
Report SamuelMertensBertens August 11, 2020 9:22 PM BST
so much for the twitter unfollow!
Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 9:24 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 3:20PM, politicspunter wrote:


Favourite goes in.


Harris was 2nd fav

Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 9:30 PM BST
Managed to throw away some of my green laying Harris at 1.5 in the final downswing but overall not a bad market for me.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 9:45 PM BST
Lol, someone just PM'd me to say Insider Trader has been wiped out on the VP result. Is this true?Laugh
Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 9:48 PM BST
Completely wiped out PP. Lost everything!
Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 9:48 PM BST
Grin
Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 9:51 PM BST
Given the same opportunity to place the bet again at 1.78ish I would do the same thing.

Will be very interesting how it works out between Harris and Biden in the campaign and how Trump reacts to it.

The choice is definitely a big plus for Trump.
Report tobermory August 11, 2020 9:55 PM BST
Trump may try and run against Harris on the basis that Biden is unlikely to be capable of lasting much beyond 2021
Report darren_discombobulates_sports August 11, 2020 9:57 PM BST
If the idea is to appeal to the black voter, not sure what the point is, that's just pushing an open door?
Report DanielKoellerer August 11, 2020 9:57 PM BST
The pick doesn’t change Trump’s chances of re-election. Quite insignificant.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 9:58 PM BST
Trump clearly has medical issues. I suspect he has had a mini stroke caused by bleeding on the left side of his brain. This has affected his speech which is often slurred/can't pronounce words, can't lift a glass of water to his mouth with his right hand unaided or move his right arm when walking.
Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 9:58 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 3:57PM, DanielKoellerer wrote:


The pick doesn’t change Trump’s chances of re-election. Quite insignificant.


Interesting analysis.

Report DanielKoellerer August 11, 2020 10:03 PM BST
Sorry for your lay on Harris, don’t take your frustration out on me.

After George Floyd it was always going to be a woman of colour and the market and everybody else  knew that. Rice, Harris or Bass. Meh. Not overly significant, why would it be. We already know this election is a referendum on Trump so therefore the impact of this pick is minimal. Could the average American Voter pick apart the differences between Rice and Harris. I doubt they could or have much interest in doing so.
Report DanielKoellerer August 11, 2020 10:06 PM BST
It doesn’t help Trump falsely paint Biden as radical left, unlike it say warren was picked (which was never likely post George floyd).

It may Slightly increase Bidens vote with minority voters, and may slightly decrease it with Bernie progressives. May being the critical word.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 10:14 PM BST
It won't make one iota of a difference. Most folks minds are already made up who they are going to vote for, Trump or Biden.
Report DanielKoellerer August 11, 2020 10:15 PM BST
A reminder that President Trump less than two weeks ago said that Sen. Kamala Harris would be a "fine choice."

Asked how he'd rate Harris as a vice president, Trump said, "I think she'd be a fine choice, Kamala Harris. She'd be a fine choice."
Report tobermory August 11, 2020 10:17 PM BST
Kamala Harris will be more scrutinized than previous VP candidates.

Obviously has a much higher chance of getting an early promotion than most have.

So her statements will have more of an impact on the election than a VP candidate 's normally would.
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 10:20 PM BST
What direct impact on voting will her statements have?
Report aaronh August 11, 2020 10:23 PM BST
Gonna be good when Kamala is called the radical left and weak on crime and then attacked from the left by Trump on criminal justice
Report politicspunter August 11, 2020 10:25 PM BST
Trump 2.6 at start of day, 2.6 at end of day.
Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 10:32 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 4:23PM, aaronh wrote:


Gonna be good when Kamala is called the radical left and weak on crime and then attacked from the left by Trump on criminal justice


Overall I’m not that excited about Biden or Harris but they’re definitely going to be hard to attack as radical leftists, in a way that might have stuck against Warren, let alone Sanders. In that respect, at least, Biden is an awkward opponent. The most obvious weakness, his age, is pretty tough for Trump to weaponise when he’s about the same age, at the very least equally gaffe prone and can’t walk down a ramp without shuffling.

Report InsiderTrader August 11, 2020 11:02 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 4:06PM, DanielKoellerer wrote:


It doesn’t help Trump falsely paint Biden as radical left, unlike it say warren was picked (which was never likely post George floyd). It may Slightly increase Bidens vote with minority voters, and may slightly decrease it with Bernie progressives. May being the critical word.


Where do the progressives go? Not bother voting? Surely if they are anti-Trump they will still vote Biden? Minority vote is more interesting given Harris' track record at locking up minorities.

Report aaronh August 11, 2020 11:03 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 4:23PM, aaronh wrote:


Gonna be good when Kamala is called the radical left and weak on crime and then attacked from the left by Trump on criminal justice


Only took 40 mins for faux concern in this thread

Report aaronh August 11, 2020 11:09 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 5:02PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Aug 11, 2020 -- 10:06PM, DanielKoellerer wrote:It doesn’t help Trump falsely paint Biden as radical left, unlike it say warren was picked (which was never likely post George floyd). It may Slightly increase Bidens vote with minority voters, and may slightly decrease it with Bernie progressives. May being the critical word.Where do the progressives go? Not bother voting? Surely if they are anti-Trump they will still vote Biden? Minority vote is more interesting given Harris' track record at locking up minorities.


Where they were going is no different to where they were going before this announcement.

Some will vote for the lesser evil, some won't but they bad if they vote Trump anyway. Accelerationism is the only argument for it and its always flawed anyway because things certainly ain't accelerating towards the left side of the political spectrum.

The left/progressives will get the blame if Dems lose, even though Bernie -> Trump voters are way lower than Hillary-McCain ones ever were.

The Dems deserve an embarrassing loss but they lucked into this situation and if they still lose they won't learn from it anyway.

The lefts goal has to be push Biden and Kamala leftwards from outside the process because electorally they have absolutely no leverage and the Dems will rely on them having nowhere to go

Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 11:18 PM BST
It’s pretty faux, too. Yes there will be some hard core Bernie bros who won’t vote for Biden but they’re awful niche and doubt any VP pick other than Sanders was dragging them along anyway. For the vast majority of those to the left of Biden and even of those well to his left, though, this is a vote on Trump and they’ll be easily enthused enough to vote against him, no matter how unconvinced they are by Biden. In fact, fairly generally, this is more of a referendum on Trump than a horse race with Biden.
Report aaronh August 11, 2020 11:26 PM BST
For anyone too far left, Bernie is the compromise candidate and not the target anyway. The not voting Biden leftie type is much less influential than their loud Internet presence suggests

Concessions and signing on for M4A for example, would have been far more valuable to Bernie supporters than an actual progressive as VP
Report timbuctooth August 11, 2020 11:35 PM BST
joe`s a `moderate`??? CHORTLE!
Are people on here really unaware of joe`s policies? Of how he`s nicked bernie`s blueprint? That aoc (she of the green new deal!) will be his Environment Enforcer? That beto (`hell yeah, we`re taking your guns!`) will be his gun czar? That he would defund police? Give free healthcare to the world`s migrants, as they pour across his open borders? Etc, etc. This is the most extreme commie manifesto ever run on by a dem, anyone trying to fool the world otherwise is lying.
Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 11:39 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 5:26PM, aaronh wrote:


For anyone too far left, Bernie is the compromise candidate and not the target anyway. The not voting Biden leftie type is much less influential than their loud Internet presence suggests Concessions and signing on for M4A for example, would have been far more valuable to Bernie supporters than an actual progressive as VP


For sure. There was a bit of cultish Berner stuff but as you say, a big deal on Twitter but hardly a flicker of the needle irl. And as you said here and further up, it’s really about influence on policy anyway.

Report Fatslogger August 11, 2020 11:41 PM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 5:35PM, timbuctooth wrote:


joe`s a `moderate`??? CHORTLE! Are people on here really unaware of joe`s policies? Of how he`s nicked bernie`s blueprint? That aoc (she of the green new deal!) will be his Environment Enforcer? That beto (`hell yeah, we`re taking your guns!`) will be his gun czar? That he would defund police? Give free healthcare to the world`s migrants, as they pour across his open borders? Etc, etc. This is the most extreme commie manifesto ever run on by a dem, anyone trying to fool the world otherwise is lying.


Well one person on here at least seems to be very confused about Biden’s policies. Can you evidence defunding the police or open borders?

Report timbuctooth August 12, 2020 12:12 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFwospeEdjQ

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1228509054047268867?s=20

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1167156989534887936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1167156989534887936%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fin-2020-democratic-field-push-to-close-border-detention-centers-goes-mainstream

https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1230171552441937921?s=20

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1146435462569111553

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1203047994737725441?s=20
Report timbuctooth August 12, 2020 4:14 AM BST
You know how lefties demand all things related to slave owners be cancelled? Well, when do we cancel kamala, please?

https://freebeacon.com/politics/kamala-harriss-ancestors-owned-slaves/

https://spectator.us/kamala-harris-pay-reparations/
Report cooperman August 12, 2020 7:30 AM BST
No leaks from the Biden campaign prior to the VP announcement.
Report Fatslogger August 12, 2020 7:48 AM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 6:12PM, timbuctooth wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFwospeEdjQhttps://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1228509054047268867?s=20https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1167156989534887936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1167156989534887936%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fin-2020-democratic-field-push-to-close-border-detention-centers-goes-mainstreamhttps://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1230171552441937921?s=20https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1146435462569111553https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1203047994737725441?s=20


Oh dear, tweets from Trump orgs and the RNC aren’t exactly primary sources, are they? I’m starting to see what the problem is here. Even then you don’t seem to have provided even really poor supportive evidence for either of the claims I asked you about. Decriminalisation of crossing borders isn’t the same as open borders. Do you even know what open borders are? Also you seem to have accidentally linked a whole load of tangentially relevant things to your other claims but not managed anything at all about defunding the police, funnily enough, as it isn’t a Biden policy.

Report Fatslogger August 12, 2020 7:49 AM BST

Aug 11, 2020 -- 10:14PM, timbuctooth wrote:


You know how lefties demand all things related to slave owners be cancelled? Well, when do we cancel kamala, please?https://freebeacon.com/politics/kamala-harriss-ancestors-owned-slaves/https://spectator.us/kamala-harris-pay-reparations/


Kamala owns slaves? That’s what the links show, right?

Report cooperman August 12, 2020 8:05 AM BST
Harris has already dished out a verbal beating to Barr and Kavanaugh and Mike Pence is just red meat waiting to be minced in any debate with Harris. Cool
Report timbuctooth August 12, 2020 4:56 PM BST
Oh dear, seems we have yet another weasel-worded know-nothing leftie who`s believed enough polls to think he`s educated enough to make embarrassing attempts at condescension! CHORTLE!

You don`t see an example of joe promising to defund police? I suggest you look again.
Open borders entail a number of measures, and I`ve posted five for your delectation. I suggest you look again.
Report politicspunter August 12, 2020 5:01 PM BST
Wonder if tim got wiped out in the VP market as Insider Trader did?
Report Fatslogger August 12, 2020 5:15 PM BST

Aug 12, 2020 -- 10:56AM, timbuctooth wrote:


Oh dear, seems we have yet another weasel-worded know-nothing leftie who`s believed enough polls to think he`s educated enough to make embarrassing attempts at condescension! CHORTLE!You don`t see an example of joe promising to defund police? I suggest you look again.Open borders entail a number of measures, and I`ve posted five for your delectation. I suggest you look again.


Oh dear. So you can’t define what an open border is? Figures.

Do you mean that the Hannity clip where Biden talks about the police not spending money on military surplus things like Humvees and agrees that the money should be diverted elsewhere is evidence that he wants to defund the police? I mean, weak doesn’t even come close to describing that. It’s not even on the same page as suggesting that he’s supportive of defunding the police.

Report Fatslogger August 12, 2020 5:18 PM BST
tim, if I tell you that you should spend less time watching Fox News (you should but this is for purposes of illustration), does that mean I’m telling you to stop watching TV?
Report timbuctooth August 12, 2020 5:25 PM BST
You`re comparing joe to Hannity??? CHORTLE!!!
Report timbuctooth August 12, 2020 5:26 PM BST
Sorry, ^^^ mis-read your post

No, not that clip
Report timbuctooth August 12, 2020 5:30 PM BST
Oops! Just woken up, joe wasn`t talking to Hannity, so I assumed you weren`t referring to that clip. ``Joe, would you redirect funds` `Absolutely!!!`
Report Fatslogger August 12, 2020 5:36 PM BST

Aug 12, 2020 -- 11:30AM, timbuctooth wrote:


Oops! Just woken up, joe wasn`t talking to Hannity, so I assumed you weren`t referring to that clip. ``Joe, would you redirect funds` `Absolutely!!!`


tim, if I tell you that you should spend less time watching Fox News (you should but this is for purposes of illustration), does that mean I’m telling you to stop watching TV?

Report timbuctooth August 12, 2020 7:14 PM BST
DanielKoellerer 11 Aug 20 22:06 
It doesn’t help Trump falsely paint Biden as radical left, unlike it say warren was picked (which was never likely post George floyd).
It may Slightly increase Bidens vote with minority voters, and may slightly decrease it with Bernie progressives.

Fatslogger 11 Aug 20 22:32 
Overall I’m not that excited about Biden or Harris but they’re definitely going to be hard to attack as radical leftists, in a way that might have stuck against Warren, let alone Sanders


Are you sure, boys?  Or is it just more leftie brainwashing, lying to cover the evil reality? Let`s look at truth and facts, shall we?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-farther-left-than-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders/
Report Fatslogger August 12, 2020 7:29 PM BST

Aug 12, 2020 -- 1:14PM, timbuctooth wrote:


DanielKoellerer 11 Aug 20 22:06  It doesn’t help Trump falsely paint Biden as radical left, unlike it say warren was picked (which was never likely post George floyd).It may Slightly increase Bidens vote with minority voters, and may slightly decrease it with Bernie progressives.Fatslogger 11 Aug 20 22:32  Overall I’m not that excited about Biden or Harris but they’re definitely going to be hard to attack as radical leftists, in a way that might have stuck against Warren, let alone SandersAre you sure, boys?  Or is it just more leftie brainwashing, lying to cover the evil reality? Let`s look at truth and facts, shall we?https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kamala-harris-farther-left-than-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders/


Depends on how you look at it really.  The policy positions that Harris, Warren and Sanders have taken are very similar, as the table you showed demonstrates.  Harris' reputation as a former DA, giving her strong law and order credentials, insulates her against the sort of attacks that could easily have been run against Bernie, who could be attacked as so far left he's not even a Democrat and for his links to communism and Russia historically.  I mean, mostly these would be unconvincing on the facts but they might have got some traction even so.

Literally none of it is "evil reality", which is mouth frothing hysteria.  Theirs are policy positions which, largely, are entirely mainstream in Europe and mostly pretty popular in the US too. 

Are you still working on the context of an interview question generally being quite important; what open borders are; where polls come into it and what a manifesto is?

Report politicspunter August 14, 2020 7:28 PM BST
A few hours before the winner announcement, these were the lowest prices that were matched on Betfair over the course of the Democrat Vice President market...

Rice (Lowest: 1.12)
Harris (1.61)
Bass (2)
Warren (3)
Klobuchar (3)
Clinton, H (3)
Abrams (3.2)
Buttigieg (1.01, possibly a fat-finger trade, 4 next lowest)
Obama, M (4.8)
Demings (5.3)
Whitmer (5.9)
Duckworth (6.2)
Masto (9)


It's hard to believe Hillary Clinton was matched at as low as 3.0 or Karen Bass at 2.0 but there you go.
Report Fatslogger August 14, 2020 10:23 PM BST
Michelle trader as low as 4.8? I mean those were all bonkers but can’t believe it was that low when I never managed below about 11. You can get some very odd trades for tiny volumes though, which shouldn’t be taken too seriously.
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