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DanielKoellerer
30 May 20 22:23
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All for it. Standing up to China more in the recent weeks and I'm in no doubt that such HK residents would bring a lot to the UK.

However, a little confused....

I thought we were at 'breaking point' in 2016...

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By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 31 May 20 11:05
Ideal replacements for 3 million europeans

Can they pick fruit?
By:
DanielKoellerer
When: 31 May 20 12:01
The Brexiteers won’t like that - they look less like us than our European counterparts.
By:
impossible123
When: 31 May 20 12:11
Yep, including the Hong Kong government "officials" carrying out the wishes on the autocratic and un-democratic government of China and President Xi.

But, I think the majority of the Hong Kong Chinese will be an asset to the UK given the work ethics of their fellow country men/women and non-dependency on benefits. They are also the most law abiding minority group in the UK; merely replacing the Eastern Europeans with Hong Kong Chinese.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 02 Jun 20 17:16
if you had to put them in one place where would you put them
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 02 Jun 20 17:20
i'm thinking of felixstowe harwich area would be ideal as its a port like hong kong not too far from london
By:
Angoose
When: 02 Jun 20 17:38
Could easily get them in to the Jenrick portfolio of properties.
By:
Shab
When: 02 Jun 20 21:45
We are at breaking point for scroungers.

Anyone willing to work, contribute to society and abide by the law has always been welcome.

I have not seen one Brexiteer say this is a bad idea. Not one. Kinda kills another Remoaner lie.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 02 Jun 20 21:52
shab you do not speak for all leavers, thanks. i dont wont millions of people or even hundreds of thousands turning up here.

as far as i am concerned the scroungers are the same group as ever, the parasitical financial types.
By:
Shab
When: 02 Jun 20 21:54
I wasn't.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 02 Jun 20 21:55
it is a bad idea, hth
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 02 Jun 20 22:06
you're missing the point give the hong kongers their own country here a bit like israel in the middle east no one will mind another 3 million
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 02 Jun 20 22:07
just think how cheap iphones will become
By:
jollyswagman
When: 02 Jun 20 22:08
and where will that be please? i think you will find that there are more than a few people in the middle east who do mind israel.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 02 Jun 20 22:13

Jun 2, 2020 -- 5:08PM, jollyswagman wrote:


and where will that be please? i think you will find that there are more than a few people in the middle east who do mind israel.


dukeofpuke • June 2, 2020 6:20 PM BST
i'm thinking of felixstowe harwich area would be ideal as its a port like hong kong not too far from london

i was thinking here seems ideal

By:
jollyswagman
When: 02 Jun 20 22:20
Laugh

as far away from london as possible please, i have nothing against them but we are already overflowing.

scotland seems more appropriate imo.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 02 Jun 20 22:32
i suppose its a tad cold but if wee jimmy gets liberated then trident goes they can move into the Clyde naval base
By:
jollyswagman
When: 02 Jun 20 22:37
3 million people added to 8 million, what could go wrong? Laugh

i shouldnt joke, i havent a clue what will happen if the chinese communist party carries on with its present course.
By:
dukeofpuke
When: 02 Jun 20 22:49

Jun 2, 2020 -- 5:37PM, jollyswagman wrote:


3 million people added to 8 million, what could go wrong? i shouldnt joke, i havent a clue what will happen if the chinese communist party carries on with its present course.


they will have their own country with borders language customs etc, people of chinese ethnicity tend not to mix they are very insular new hong kong could then play in the euros and even enter eurovision

By:
thegiggilo
When: 03 Jun 20 00:10
Don't tell the brexit extremists,it will be the last straw!!
By:
Foinavon
When: 03 Jun 20 07:27
What has the situation in Hong Kong or the status of its citizens got to do with Brexit?
Please explain.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 03 Jun 20 07:46
There are about 350,000 holders of BNO passports in Hong Kong and another 2.5 million are eligible for them, Johnson said. Johnson repeated Britain’s pledge to give British National Overseas passport-holders in Hong Kong a path to British citizenship - allowing them to settle in the United Kingdom.

Brexit was won on immigration fears, according to Dominic Cummings. Leave campaigns exploited fears about unsustainable migration numbers.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 03 Jun 20 07:58
So, swapping 3m EU citizens for 3m HK citizens doesn't help concerns of the Leave voters.

Shab doesn't need any further schooling on this thread but his assertion that (sic) "Leavers will love Hong Kong immigrants because they are resourceful," is about a perfect inversion of the impulse that mobilised the Leave vote: we're kicking out Polish plumbers because they're better than us.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 03 Jun 20 09:31
Those 10.45-10.52 posts from last night are things of beauty.
By:
impossible123
When: 03 Jun 20 15:50
I think the Chinese community here do not live in clusters; do not speak in their own lingo at their place of work eg non-Chinese supermarkets/restaurants; behave arrogantly; impose their custom, tradition and religion on others; commit benefit and online frauds; crimes; involve in politics; media; accuse other of Chinesephobia; etc.

I think the Chinese just want to do business and be left to lead a peaceful life. And, it's been reflected in their acceptance in non-Chinese communities and countries eg they have never been expelled from any of their host country.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 03 Jun 20 16:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cgeXd5kRDg

6 1/2 years ago: "Bloody Poles, coming over here, being all Polish, mending things.."
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 03 Jun 20 17:33
I think the Chinese just want to do business and be left to lead a peaceful life

That's true particularly with regard to the importation of opium although quite a few have been banged up for possession and dealing cokeWink

That's all i got to say about that except nobody got chopped up if they paid on time.
By:
Foinavon
When: 03 Jun 20 17:59
Brexit was won on immigration fears, according to Dominic Cummings. Leave campaigns exploited fears about unsustainable migration numbers.

I'm sure some were swayed by the immigration issue just as some were swayed the other way by Government propaganda and "Project Fear".
For hardline brexiteers like myself, neither issue was an overriding factor. Our concern is political, we don't want this country to become a province of a bureaucratic superstate, to see Ken Clarke's dream of Westminster reduced to the status of a village council fulfilled. This is not something we voted for on a whim, we have been hoping for a referendum for decades.
I doubt we will be replacing 3 million Europeans with Chinese, most of the domiciled EU citizens are staying, any Chinese from Hong Kong will be in addition.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 03 Jun 20 18:07
In February 2017, Mr Cummings suggested the bus was one of the key reasons why the Leave campaign was successful.

“Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests no,” he said. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the single market? No way.”


Immigration did not win Foinavon's vote, but Leave would not have won without exploiting immigration fears. Once you co-opt the vote of those people, your Govt is in thrall to them. The idiots have taken over the assylum.
By:
metro john
When: 03 Jun 20 18:45
Them Tories did it again, you could not make it up, that's 3 million middle-class British workers (if that exists?) under-qualified and out of work lol LaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
metro john
When: 03 Jun 20 19:21
And a new possibility for a conspiracy theory, from within this man's mind. If you think about it geographically, it would be an upgrade from Hong Kong, Storm and Earthquake free til now on the whole?, So we then have the Hong kong educated from both sides of the same system, leading the way in how it is done?? with the possibility of new homes for the worthless in Hong kong???? This is Wealth commanding geographic locality. RIP LOW CLASSES!!!!
By:
Shab
When: 03 Jun 20 21:18

Jun 3, 2020 -- 2:58AM, unitedbiscuits wrote:


So, swapping 3m EU citizens for 3m HK citizens doesn't help concerns of the Leave voters. Shab doesn't need any further schooling on this thread but his assertion that (sic) "Leavers will love Hong Kong immigrants because they are resourceful," is about a perfect inversion of the impulse that mobilised the Leave vote: we're kicking out Polish plumbers because they're better than us.


And what I actually said:

"Anyone willing to work, contribute to society and abide by the law has always been welcome."

Lying ****.

By:
dukeofpuke
When: 03 Jun 20 22:30
I think its a great idea by the tories to potentially offer homes here to 3.5 million hong kongers think about it you would expect most of them to vote tory therefore scuppering Labours plan to outvote the tories by immigration this would put Labour out the picture for at least a generation unless Labour do their own lets offer (if they get in power) citizenship to the whole of Pakistan.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 04 Jun 20 07:49
"Anyone willing to work, contribute to society and abide by the law has always been welcome."

Not with (most) Leave voters, Shab. Polish people, foe example, came over here and did the job better than us, and Leave voters paid them back by making them unwelcome (big generalisation but the truth is in there, rather than Shab's assertion).  VoteLeave exploited the resentment caused by the people who lost out. "Coming over her, being all Polish, mending things, doing our jobs better than us.."
By:
jed.davison
When: 04 Jun 20 08:01
You still - despite my repeated and patient attempts to help you understand - fail to grasp that all your imagined reasons for the Leave vote, which enable you, in your despicable sneering manner, to denigrate people whose opinions you deem worthless, are a hill of beans next to the noble English desire for self-determination.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 04 Jun 20 08:06
In February 2017, Mr Cummings suggested the bus was one of the key reasons why the Leave campaign was successful.

“Would we have won without immigration? No.
Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests no,” he said. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the single market? No way.”


Immigration did not win Foinavon's vote, but Leave would not have won without exploiting immigration fears. Once you co-opt the vote of those people, your Govt is in thrall to them. The idiots have taken over the assylum.

Just copied and pasted this from yesterday, jed, but have helpfully stressed the bit that applies here for you.
By:
jed.davison
When: 04 Jun 20 08:15
I would imagine that had Cummings had Obama's number, or had the opportunity to spend £9m leafleting to panic the nation into voting his way, or had the entire machinery of state working for his preferred outcome, he might not have needed his simple bus.
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Of course immigration was a factor, but as Cummings said, it was only a factor.

I'll ask you a question. In an imaginary world where the question was simply asked one day and answered the next, and there was no campaigning - for or against - allowed, which way would the vote have gone?
By:
jed.davison
When: 04 Jun 20 08:22
There are millions of people who don't give a monkeys either way on any given political topic. Every single one of these people received the pamphlet warning them of economic Armageddon in the event of us leaving.

I contend that the coercion of even a small percentage of these people into voting Remain changed more minds than any other single factor.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 04 Jun 20 08:38
I would imagine that had Cummings had Obama's number, or had the opportunity to spend £9m leafleting to panic the nation into voting his way, or had the entire machinery of state working for his preferred outcome, he might not have needed his simple bus.
The Remain campaign was diabolical but Leave campaign wasn't naturally disadvantaged as they would have you believe. To start with, they had two campaigns Farage's one for the things the official one couldn't quite make explicit)- and they had the huge advantage of being able to promise anything to anyone, which they exploited quite readily. Peter Hargreaves sent a Brexit mailshot to 9m people and what is £9m balanced against 3 anti-EU messages daily for thirty years to 1 1/2 m readers? And that's just The Sun. As for POTUS intervention, there are now some very nervous Govt strategists contemplating for the first time Brexit without Trump.

Of course immigration was a factor, but as Cummings said, it was only a factor. A deciding factor, according to the best authority.

I'll ask you a question. In an imaginary world where the question was simply asked one day and answered the next, and there was no campaigning - for or against - allowed, which way would the vote have gone?

The disenchanted, resentful, unhappy, unlucky-at-chess would vote for change because their underlying assumption is that, if they fail again, someone will pull them out of the s**t.
It's nothing to do with "the noble English desire for self-determination" (with its implied insult to the other countries of the UK). I once asked for an example from 40+ years of your experience of EU membership when you felt it had impinged on your individual freedom; you had nothing then.
Certainly, in my lifetime, I have never felt compromised by being a citizen of the EU. I know the world is much bigger than Europe; there is no greater fan of the USA, but you're right jed, I just don't understand that statement, except as an alibi for much much baser impulses.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 04 Jun 20 08:44
“We want you back”

PM Boris Johnson invites European workers who left the UK as lockdown began to return now it is being eased and retail sector is reopening

LaughLaughLaugh
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